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Old 2011-09-12, 01:40 PM   #16
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Nobody from the race has reported in yet, probably still too sore! Ouch!

Anyhow here are the results I found online:
http://ontracktiming.com/bbr/

Looks like there were only MUni finishers in the 20 Mile race distance, nothing reported for the 40 mile race:

1. Jeff Ray 2:38:31
2. Benjamin Richardson (BenNC) 3:24:32
3. Christopher Skelton 4:09:27
4. Eric Mintz 4:56:00
5. Benjamin Kadas (Nurse Ben) 4:56:04
6. Bill Mueller DNF

So wish I could have been there! Darn poor timing on my part to get a stress fracture!

Can't wait to hear some of the stories!
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Old 2011-09-12, 02:05 PM   #17
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Looks like there were only MUni finishers in the 20 Mile race distance, nothing reported for the 40 mile race:

1. Jeff Ray 2:38:31
2. Benjamin Richardson (BenNC) 3:24:32
3. Christopher Skelton 4:09:27
4. Eric Mintz 4:56:00
5. Benjamin Kadas (Nurse Ben) 4:56:04
6. Bill Mueller DNF
I would like to ask a big research favor.

I really wanted to do this race. But it didn't work out. Maybe next year. I would be very interested in everyone's rig. Most of the time I ride MUni36 with 170 cranks and no brake. I do have a brake on the Road36 (125s produce a lot of torque) and could switch things around. I haven't experimented yet, but I have to think that I wouldn't be as apt to aply smooth braking if I was going down a bumpy path... I have a KH24, but it is slow like a bulldozer. I've never ridden these particular trails either. But I have been there to raft the Ocoee. I can only imagine the trails had some very difficult spots. But also quite a lot of gravel road type XC.

Anyway, in preparation for next year, would you please provide the details of your rigs and comments as to what worked and what you might do next time.
Reason for asking: I really wanted to do this race and I would like to know if MUni36 with 170s will work.

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Old 2011-09-12, 02:35 PM   #18
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Eric might not chime in, but we rode most of the race together and he was riding a 24 x 3 with 165's, which was slower than my 29 x 2.4 with 160's, but honestly we were both riding what we're used to riding, so we both did fine.

Eric did mention that he'd consider bringing his 29er next time if he had more to practice with it. Bill was on a 26 x 150, it was new to him, but he seemed to do fine. Chris, Jeff and Ben were on 29ers, don't remember crank lengths, obviously they did fine

There were eight registered, but only six started, We all started after the bikers, ~9:20am, so being passed by bikers was a non issue for the most part, maybe Jeff and Ben had more of that since they were riding much faster.

Overall it was a tough trail, harder after the first 2/3, which seemed like it took 1/2 as much effort as the last 1/3 of the trail. We had bikers riding into us starting about mile 8-9, this was ongoing until about mile 15 for Eric and I.

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@NurseBen: Seriously what's your phobia about bikers passing you? It's really no big deal, plenty of room to pass. I've done several races with mtb'ers and they've all been very respectful going by; no biggy.
It wasn't the passing that was a problem, it was the head-on riding on narrow single track against 300 bike racers. It was so bad that at the mile 13 aid station, Bill chose to drop than to continue dealing with the "dodge game".

Great race overall, the only downside was the head-on riding, which was a significant issue, enough so that I'm not sure I'd do the race again as it's currently configured.

Next race coming up is the Reverse Ocho Oct 1st at Panther Creek State Park in Tennessee, this is a Eight Hour Endurance Race, single loop consisting of 8.7 miles of mostly single track. This is a very laid back race, attracts at most 80-100 riders, easy passing, all rideable. Andrew Fletcher and I completed two laps last Spring on the same course in six hours with a big rest between laps.

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Old 2011-09-12, 03:26 PM   #19
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Congratulations to all the riders! Looks like a fun course.

@NurseBen: Do you think the head on issue would have been mitigated by an earlier start for the unicyclists? That was the main reason when I was discussing unicycle entries into this race with the RD that an early start time might be best... I'd think being passed later on would be better than facing oncoming, speeding riders? Perhaps a route change could be made for next year to help with this issue? Anyhow, I'll be there if at all possible next year. Looking to possible late Fall event at Oak Mountain and some events next Spring as well.
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Old 2011-09-12, 04:28 PM   #20
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Just saw the recent posts here about the Rampage. I had a really great time. After riding unicycles off and on for 31 years, this is the first time I've ridden with other unicyclists. Also, the first time I've entered any event.

I'm now planning on making it to the Asheville MuniFest October 28th-30th.

Riding with other unicyclists definitely adds to the experience. There were six of us that started the 'Rampage, but Jeff and BenNC took off fast from the start, so we didn't see them until the end of the race. Jeff was faster than 14 of the mountain b*kes I believe. Makes me want to work harder on my MUni skills, that's for sure.

After about mile 14, I still felt great, but I didn't want to have to keep stopping every 20 yards to dismount for the oncoming mbikers,(who were all very encouraging with their comments by the way;"You're the man","You're my hero","Stud", etc. were comments that I'm sure all of us heard along the route!). So, I chose to head to my Suburban to retrieve my video camera and my 36er, so I could get a little footage.

As I cruised around the finish area I got the chance to meet and converse with some very cool people. One couple I met is planning on releasing a DVD of the event in a few weeks with all of the video and still footage that they took during the ride. I'll post about it in this thread when it becomes available.

The organizers told me that they had nothing but positive comments from the mbikers regarding our unicycling presence at the event. They want to see more of us next year, and they are planning on reconfiguring the route so as to avoid the stream of oncoming traffic next year.

NurseBen let me try out his GUni 26er after the race, it was the first time I'd ridden a geared uni. It took a few minutes to get used to, but I was psyched that I was able to complete my first upshift without falling. I vow to get one soon, and make it into a 36er GUni...(mostly for road riding, I want to try for 30 mph; 20 is my top speed on my ungeared 36er).

Speaking of 36ers, I think a 36er would have been great on a lot of the course, but there were a number of hairy steep rock-garden sections that would require some great braking and advanced MUni skills in my opinion. I am ordering some longer Sinz cranks today, so I can 36er MUni on more of the trails at Chicopee (Gainesville, GA).

Okay, guess I'll stop with the story for now. Can't wait to ride with you guys again!

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1st Place - Jeff 2nd Place - BenNC 3rd Place - Chris
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Old 2011-09-12, 04:44 PM   #21
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Well done guys!
Out of curiousity, any stats on the trail? e.g. total climbing, %age singletracks.
Sounds like a 26" Guni was ideal for this course - 36-like speed on most of it but still tackle the rock gardens...

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Old 2011-09-12, 05:14 PM   #22
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@NurseBen: Do you think the head on issue would have been mitigated by an earlier start for the unicyclists?
It would not have changed the situation much, maybe moved the majority of the passing to a non DH section, otherwise it's a format problem.

What I'd like to do is offer an alternatiev start point for the muni folks so we're off the course with the 20 milers or at least we can avoid the two way traffic areas, but I need to look over the course map again before contacting David and Doug.

Overlal it was a very positive enviroment, lots of bikers from up my way, seems like the word is getting around, that unicycles can ride with biker

What was really fun was passing the bikers on the two mile road section, they didn't expect that from us!
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Old 2011-09-16, 05:51 PM   #23
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Thank you from the Black Bear Rampage

Thank you to all of the munis that came out! We had a blast and you all added heaps to the fun. Jeff won a super sweet pair of Oakleys with his first place finish! Congratulations to all of the munis that raced - you guys were amazing! Next year, we will have a course for you all that won't have you dodging the traffic. We will skip the 2 mile road climb and put the racers directly onto the trails at the WWC. Plan for more pain!
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Old 2011-09-16, 05:54 PM   #24
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[QUOTE=Nurse Ben;1478770]It would not have changed the situation much, maybe moved the majority of the passing to a non DH section, otherwise it's a format problem.

Starting at 7 would have placed the munis far enough ahead to where there would have been NO head-on traffic and limited passing. I prefer a later start, however, and an improved course to eliminate the traffic issues. We will get the new course posted asap!
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Old 2011-09-16, 05:59 PM   #25
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Old 2011-09-16, 06:04 PM   #26
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Congrats again to all the "plank owner" MUni riders. You will forever be the first to do so at this event. Huge respect! I was extremely disappointed I could not compete because of my stress fracture! Kills me! Next year I'll be there! I for one still like an early start, especially if there is still the MUni option to go 40 miles. I can see if you're doing the 20 mile then a later start would be fine. But for 40 miles I need as much daylight as I can get!

Hopefully I'll be cleared to get back to running/MUni in the next month or so.
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Thanks FUNI...

I can't wait to come back next year, especially with the new changes you are proposing.

Welcome to the unicyclist.com forums, hope to see you back again...are you one of the guys that rides a uni too?

I'm looking forward to getting a copy of the DVD that is being put together from footage taken at this years event. Should be out in about 3 weeks I'm told.
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Old 2011-09-16, 06:10 PM   #28
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I have been riding since age 12 - about 32 years. I don't get the time I want on my unis because of too much work and family stuff (only one child on a uni so far). Kids will both be in college next year, and I'll get more time on my wheel. You guys inspire me!
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Old 2011-09-17, 03:36 PM   #29
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Funi (Dave, Doug?),

For sure, skipping the road section and having us start at the WWC would be awesome; that's exactly what was on my mind! A short and easy route for new riders would be fun too if you can figure out a route, maybe out the Copper Road and back?

It was a really well done event, felt like the bikers were very supportive, no neg vibes anywhere; though I did hear later about a certain grumbly who didn't want to wait for us
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