Flowing - new style?

[unicycledood]

Originally Posted by johnfoss

This is where it gets tricky in judging the competitions. Some riders are focused on big tricks (or small tricks) while others focus more on flow, style, etc. It's important for us (the judges, rule-makers, promoters of the sport) to be on the same page on the rules and judging, so everyone understands/agrees on what actually makes a "good" Street performance.

Judges should be street riders if their judging a street competition.

But yeah, agreed. Hard to judge. Most of the time, the riders that are pulling the HUGE tricks, have enough style anyway. So it dosn't really matter. (time for a SJ style "hah"). Hah.

[Biggestbtc]

So I found out what style I ride. That's cool.

[cbs]

What size cranks is this guy riding? Trying maybe to make my trials uni more street friendly. Mine seem too long for moving smoothly.

Originally Posted by unicycledood

Me respect them? Of course I do and I have no idea where your coming from with that statement. Most of my vids are considered "Small/tech/flatflip/street".

But most small/tech/flatflip/street riders don't ride bigstreet/grinds/drops/gaps/ups/etc and care more about the actual tricks then their flow/style.

Like Shaun J, if he has to do a triple(or quad)flip 2 handed he'd rather not do them at all. If a trick is too sketchy he won't post it.

You like seeing things mixed up, good for you, watch a Luke C vid for once please.
Heres one of my fave street videos, YouTube - new video with.... NO FLIPS! OMG WHAT!?!? A STREET VID WITH NO FLIPS!?!?!?!? IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE! Says John. I THOUGHT STREET WAS ALL ABOUT FLIPS!!?? He screamed.

Now please, stop talking to me as if I'm an arrogant wannabe god of street, its annoying. I'm simpely a street enthusiast sharing my opinion on what is STREET.

Edit: You can say, people these days are focusing too much on flip tricks in street. Now thats a fair comment. But you CANNOT say that street IS about flip tricks. Its simpely a trick in street unicycling and does not by any means define the whole style.

[unicyclerman]

this doesnt sound like a new style, it sounds like what any street rider does when they are just riding to a new spot. i think it could be cool to set up an event like this where it is like an urban race with stair sets and everything. but outside of having it as a race i think its just normal riding.

[uni57]

I hate to post off-topic stuff now that this thread is flowing nicely, but a little flux never hurt anyone... (also, the rolling trials parallel seems to have a tiny bit of relevance)

Originally Posted by johnfoss

The basic idea is to ride obstacles without hopping. Could be done with any unicycle, but at the time Andrew was hyper-focused on Cokers and may have been temporarily unaware of the existence of other wheel sizes.

Yes, he was Mr. Coker. So enthusiastic about Cokers! But he had a separate category for smaller wheels. As Dave says below, on a Coker, you have to attack those obstacles with quite a bit of speed. A MUni is a hill-climbing beast (assuming a good rider). If I recall, Andrew was amazed that a MUni could make it up some of the steeper obstacles.

Originally Posted by kington99

rolling trials came to my mind too. Hardcore did a video of him riding at Ray's which was really interesting, the speed he had to attack stuff at to clear gaps etc. made it pretty heart stopping to watch.

Yes! I was there. I'm the guy who filmed it. Since I totally stink at riding, that was my only contribution to the sport!

That video was hosted on the New York Unicycle Club's web site (back when I did that site). Since the club now has a totally new site, we've lost the video (my fault). I'll work on getting that video back up. It's a killer.

And now, back to the flow...

[johnfoss]

Originally Posted by unicycledood

Judges should be street riders if their judging a street competition.

Generally agreed, but more important is that they be good judges. Of course you have to know a lot about Street to be a good Street judge, but you can also be a good judge if you're good at *watching* Street. We know this from Freestyle judging, which has been around long enough for us to have some experience with it. Some of the best judges are crap riders, but they watch a lot of other riders and know a good performance when they see it.

What makes it hard with newer events like Street (and Open X that came before it) is judging when the full meaning of what makes a "good" performance is not yet completely formed. We have the judging rules, but there's only so much you can put into words. Also, when new, these sports tend to change faster than the rules do, so a bit of flexibility is needed as well.

The other hard part about getting good Street riders to be good judges, is that there aren't very many, and almost none that have "aged out" or are otherwise not competing if they're that good.

Flashback:
At the world's first Street competition (California MUni Weekend 2004) we had very mixed judges, but we also had very mixed riders, and only 10 or so, so it was easy for the whole audience, which included the judges, to reach an almost perfect consensus on who was better than who. There were only a few minor discrepancies among the judges. I was the Chief Judge. Nowadays it has gotten a lot harder!

[Caterpillar with a hookah]

Originally Posted by unicycledood

Heres one of my fave street videos...

Sweet! Thanks for posting this. So flowy. So, so flowy.

[unicycledood]

Originally Posted by Biggestbtc

So I found out what style I ride. That's cool.

Yeah its called rolling

Crank length... I've never had this problem. But if your riding anything higher then 135mm you shoud switch if you think thats the problem.

[unicycledood]

Originally Posted by johnfoss

Generally agreed, but more important is that they be good judges. Of course you have to know a lot about Street to be a good Street judge, but you can also be a good judge if you're good at *watching* Street. We know this from Freestyle judging, which has been around long enough for us to have some experience with it. Some of the best judges are crap riders, but they watch a lot of other riders and know a good performance when they see it.

Yes agreed.

But! There are alot of tricks that look exactly the same. Late, switch, backflip tricks, blind, back sidetricks, in/out tricks etc. Gotta be able to notice things like that to judge. But people that are THAT into street, generally wanna compete...

[1-wheeled-grape]

this flowing, flux, urban muni, urban Free ride what ever its called (I lost track reading this) sounds like what i do on my paper round. Riding round on a muni doing a few tricks and lines along the way. Its bloody knackering on my 7 ton muni but its great fun! And I have been thinking on building up a 24 mainly to do this sort of riding... unfortunatly i need money and a 32 hole hub

Whether it is a ne style or not its fun and I'll do it

[unicycledood]

Of course its fun. Its doing a number of tricks in a row.

Tricks are fun. Even more fun in multiples!

[1-wheeled-grape]

exactly, so if we are all agreed that it is fun... stop arguing about it!
All the other threads moaning about this thread are annoying me now lol.

[unicycledood]

We all agree that street is fun?

[1-wheeled-grape]

yes, although when ever I do it, we stop and start, while i prefer to just ride, like muni.

so some styles may be similar to others, and parts of it may overlap. All im bothered about is riding really... arguing over it really isn't as fun, so I thing I'll say bye now and go do some flux/flow/freeride unicycling! Have fun internet unicycling.

[unicycledood]

Just get more consistant at street. *big thumbs up!*