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Old 2009-08-25, 01:33 AM   #16
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conclusion

I think I'm ready to give my last post regarding this tire. I recently switched back to the Intense DH tire, and I'm offering a comparison and final verdict.

Sidewall:
the Berm Master's sidewalls are a little softer, but still pretty stout. I had problems with folding the tire at low pressure, but that was resolved when I switched to a wider rim.
conclusion: Although softer, it has good sidewall support.

Road Handling:
The Berm Master has a great cross terrain tread. If you are planning on riding this tire entirely off road, and on trail I would suggest getting the Intense DH.
conclusion: If your going to do mixed riding between paved road, fire road, and single track the Berm Master is a nice choice. The Intense is more work to turn on pavement, but shines on the trail.

Mud:
The Intense DH sheds mud better than the Berm Master; however, it also picks up more. In the few times that I was able to ride in mud I didn't have many problems with the tire losing traction, but I will say that the Intense has far better traction when the ground turns to soup.

conclusion: Intense wins for traction and shedding.

Grip
There is no doubt that the Intense is a stickier tire. The surprise is that the Berm Master does as well as it does holding on to precarious edges of rock, narrowly averting UPD's. This is certainly not what the tire was intended for, and yet it will surprise you.

conclusion: You get what you pay for, but for the money the Berm Master is better than you'd think.

Recommendation:
For the hard core off road only MUni there is little reason to entertain this tire. In almost every way the Intense DH performs better off road; although, in some cases only by a little.

For a new MUni rider looking for a tire that gives easier handling, and handles pavement like a fat freestyle tire this is a great choice. It offers good bounce to learn hopping, and wears well on the street. It is fast when inflated to 40psi, and forgiving when you run it at 15psi.

I might also recommend this tire for a rider who likes MUni, but only has one uni that needs to double as a "townie." It's nice to have a tire that can go across campus one day, and be perfectly at home on a trail the next.

I just learned that Felt dropped the price to $25.00US. Not bad.

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Old 2009-08-25, 02:36 AM   #17
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Great summary, Jerry. Thus far the Berm Master is the only 24x3 I've ever ridden on but my experience matches what you've stated. In addition to using it to gain MUni experience I ride mine on pavement learning to hop and practice other skills. I've run it between 20 and 30 psi (currently closer to 20) and on a 42mm Nimbus rim haven't experienced any sidewall folding.

I think this tire would be best for someone looking to ride a mix of street and trails on one tire and who wants more dirt traction than something like a Hookworm can provide and better on-road performance than a full knobby trail tire. So yeah, I guess this post is just a long "ditto".
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Old 2009-08-25, 02:54 AM   #18
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Great summary, Jerry. Thus far the Berm Master is the only 24x3 I've ever ridden on but my experience matches what you've stated. In addition to using it to gain MUni experience I ride mine on pavement learning to hop and practice other skills. I've run it between 20 and 30 psi (currently closer to 20) and on a 42mm Nimbus rim haven't experienced any sidewall folding.

I think this tire would be best for someone looking to ride a mix of street and trails on one tire and who wants more dirt traction than something like a Hookworm can provide and better on-road performance than a full knobby trail tire. So yeah, I guess this post is just a long "ditto".
I really like the tire a lot. I plan on putting it on my wifes Schwinn after she get's more comfortable on her uni. It may just be the perfect beginer MUni tire, and again it's probably the best tire for cross terrain.

I'll be interested in hearing more reflections on the tire as you put more miles on yours.
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Old 2010-03-26, 08:50 PM   #19
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After almost 8 months of riding with the Berm Master it is still going strong. The knobs on the side of the tire that is down when the pedals are in my favored hopping position are starting to show some wear. I'm thinking about rotating my cranks.

I never did switch to to Duro over the winter and found the Berm Master did fine in snow and icy conditions. The few times I felt the tire slip were when riding on smooth ice (duh) and once or twice on really slick mud slopes. It continues to be a great tire for me.
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Old 2010-03-27, 03:29 AM   #20
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I just wish they had a 26x2.7 version. It really is a great tire. I only had problems with it folding on a narrower rim. The 42mm rim is solid with my Berm Master.
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Old 2010-03-31, 02:25 AM   #21
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Shoot. I'm looking for a tire for my 26" when it becomes a guni. I like this one but I think the 26" choice is too narrow. Any suggestions for a good all around tire? Mostly road with some not too technical trails??? I've been searching, but there is a lot out there.
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Old 2010-05-28, 11:26 PM   #22
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I finished a nice rid on the Picture Rock Trail in Lyons, CO today. After a year of switching between my Berm Master and Intense DH I think I'm going to change my perspective a bit.

The Berm Master may be the perfect MUni tire for the average MUni rider. It is much more forgiving than the Intense. I feel like I can control it much better, and on sloping traverses it tracks straight without a lot of compensation from me. The Intense needs a lot more body english to track straight.

I know the 26" version is 2.125, but I saw one on a wide rim and it looked like a 2.5. Next time I go to the bike shop I'll see if they can put a caliper on it. I'm tempted to build up a 26" wheel on one of those Felt rim's to see how it handles. The only downside I can see is that the rim is a single wall, but I'm not very abusive so I think it will be alright.
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Old 2010-05-29, 07:47 PM   #23
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Since I got a 20" for hopping/tricks and a 29" for mixed rides my 24" MUni has been seeing less and less pavement so I've been thinking about putting the Duro back on but never seem to get around to it.

The 26" version could be a great tire for a 26" GUni on a wide rim if the sidewalls are anything like the 24" version. The one tire that has me wanting to build up a 26" wheel is the Continental Rubber Queen 2.4 though I have no idea how it handles on pavement.
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Old 2012-08-17, 07:01 PM   #24
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I know this is an older thread, but after a recent suggestion that I give the Felt Berm Master (24x3) a try as it might be a good fit for the type of riding I do: healthy balance of pavement, gravel roads, XC and hardcore MUni.

I must say after my first ride with this tire I am very impressed. I've been using a 24x3 Maxxis Hookworm for well over a year continuously, riding EVERYWHERE and have gotten used to all it's quirks. However, I knew I needed a bit more bounce and rollover ability on the rough stuff BUT didn't want to sacrifice the smooth roll I got with the Hookworm on the roads. Well, so far the Felt Berm Master is definitely hitting the mark quite well for me. I need to do some more riding but just visiting the same trail system I did earlier this week on the Hookworm and now with the Berm Master it was Night and Day. The trail riding was so much easier with the Berm Master and on the easier gravel roads I felt just as fast in high gear (KH-Schlumpf Hub) as I do with the Hookworm; maybe even smoother since the tire is a bit bigger, fatter and so seems to absorb the little road irregularities better?

Anyhow, this is a wonderful true XC tire for those who ride 24" unicycles. Probably not the best pure MUni tire (not by a long mark) but good for all surfaces!
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Old 2012-08-17, 07:52 PM   #25
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I've been running one on my N24 for about a year and love it. I only have one uni, so it has to do double duty as my sole setup for mild street/trials and technical muni. The versatility of this tire fits that range. I run it at 18 psi on the trail and 25-30 on the street. My only complaint is that it rolls off the rim too easily on aggressive side hops at low pressure (hence the higher psi on the street), but I bet a wider rim would fix that. Bottom line, it's a high volume, very versatile tire that sacrifices a bit of traction in exchange for lower weight and rolling resistance.
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Old 2012-09-27, 09:33 PM   #26
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26" equivalent?

Ok, so I love my 24x3 Felt Berm Master Tire but shortly I'm going to be upgrading my 5 year old MUni (finally!) to a 26" variety. I was wondering if anybody had and suggestions on what tire "might" be like the Berm Master but in a 26" variety?

Based on looks alone it seems that the Maxxis Holy Roller might be similar though not as wide (2.4") which would be fine as I'd gotten used to riding a 24x2.5 Maxxis Hookworm before I started using the Berm Master.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks!
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Old 2012-09-29, 09:19 PM   #27
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Seems interesting but sadly I didn't found any retailer in Europe...
I think that this "old" design is not a problem for unicycle a we ride slower than MTB.

@MuniSano recently tried Kenda K-RAD 26*2.5(found cheap ) for x-country (dry condition, will test in mud in a few weeks !). I was amazed how it hold in descent and how easier was the climb.

other close desing :
Maxxis holly roller 26*2.4
Schwalbe Table Top 26 x 2.25
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Old 2012-09-30, 04:34 PM   #28
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Ok, so I love my 24x3 Felt Berm Master Tire but shortly I'm going to be upgrading my 5 year old MUni (finally!) to a 26" variety. I was wondering if anybody had and suggestions on what tire "might" be like the Berm Master but in a 26" variety?

Based on looks alone it seems that the Maxxis Holy Roller might be similar though not as wide (2.4") which would be fine as I'd gotten used to riding a 24x2.5 Maxxis Hookworm before I started using the Berm Master.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks!
Hi MuniSano,

I've switched back & forth between Berm Master & Duro Wildlife for some time, putting the Berm Master on for "around town/campus" winter riding when the local trails are unridable due to deep snow & ice. I like the Berm Master's performance generally, although I find it to be a bit overly rounded. Still, it rolls well and provides plenty of shock absorption, and does just fine on dry trails.

Although I don't have a 26er in my stable, I'm thinking of adding one to the collection, and have had similar questions about tires. If you are doing 75% or more trails I'd run the Maxxis Ardent or Schwalbe Hans Dampf in a folding bead. You will be amazed at weight difference between theses tires and the Duro Wildlife wire bead, particularly in the 26" size, and they have less rolling resistance because the knobbies aren't as large & flexy as the Duro. I ride the Ardent 29x2.4 Exo on my KH29 and am very happy with it. It's much better behaved than the WTB Dissent, which I also have in a 29x2.5, and occasionally ride. The latter bombs through stuff, but is sometimes not a responsive causing me to ride off the edges of tight corners.

If you do more like 50/50 road/trail, I think the Maxxis Holy Roller makes a lot of sense, and the 2.4" diameter will provide with plenty enough cushion, unless you are doing trials & street stuff -- although I don't have any personal experience riding it in any size. I have, how ever, looked over the 24" version on the rack at REI, and it seemed like it didn't have anywhere near enough volume to deliver the shock absorption & bounce I wanted, and I have yet to find a 24" High Roller to compare.

Of course, by the time you do get that 26er, there will likely be about a hundred more tires to chose from. (Sure wish someone would make some more 24's.)

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Seems interesting but sadly I didn't found any retailer in Europe...
I think that this "old" design is not a problem for unicycle a we ride slower than MTB.
Philippe,

The Berm Master is made by Felt for their "cruiser bikes." If you can find a shop that sells Felt bikes, they can probably order it for you. That's how I got mine here in Salt Lake City. It was amazingly inexpensive too: about $25 USD.

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Old 2012-10-01, 05:30 PM   #30
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Thanks all. I just ordered my KH26" frame and rim (and some other things) so I'll soon be joining the 26er GUni club. I've got some time to figure out what tire to get as I plan on getting the frame and rim custom painted before I do the full build. So excited! I'm leaning toward the Holy Roller for now but the Ardent looks pretty good too. I'm about a 50/50 pavement/trail rider right now so the Felt Berm Master was a good choice for me for the 24", just wish they made it in a 26" variety.
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