Would you buy this dvd?

[unifreak7]

I'm not doing the DVD any more. Too much work.

Here's the point...

If a rider was getting enough money to do nothing else. They wouldn't stop riding.

[scharpenacker]

what a pity - I am sure if have liked it.

I have brought a lot of juggling DVDs and I like them a lot. If have not the possibility to youtube (firewall of my company) and so this is the way... get DVDs.

Also as unicycling the jugglingpeoplecommunity gets bigger and only a few people stick to make a good instructional DVD. The benefit of such a medium is great - the leaning process so much faster with good pictures.

So if anyone like to get me a little bit material of youtube or better movies and sent it to me -
I will send a letter with your costs and a little extra cash back...
Its an address in Germany.

[SkierAlex]

Originally Posted by unifreak7

I'm not doing the DVD any more. Too much work.

Here's the point...

If a rider was getting enough money to do nothing else. They wouldn't stop riding.

If you sell 100 copies that's $1000. If you did 20 tutorials and each one took an hour then that's effectively $50 an hour + you might need to spend a bit more time selling them and burning them or whatever. But still, that's not bad. I'd be really happy if you did make it because I think quality tutorials would be really helpful. O well, it's up to you.

[semach.the.monkey]

Originally Posted by SkierAlex

:If you did 20 tutorials and each one took an hour then that's effectively $50 an hour + you might need to spend a bit more time selling them and burning them or whatever.

No disregard to Shauns riding, filming or editing technique, but if it only takes an hour per trick, then it's going to look like a pretty cheap and shabby dvd that people wouldn't be happy to spend money on.

The filming for each trick will probably take at least an hour once you've worked out the locations, best places to set up the camera, and filmed it from different angles etc. The editing is the part which really takes the time, however. Plus if you have to record voice-overs, or add graphics to show what's going on, it'll just add more and more time.

Most people do not appreciate all the time, effort and money that is involved in making any kind of film. Even the most basic and simple looking films have had a load of work put in to them.

Selling 100 copies for $10 each with 20 tricks would pay well less than $10/hour. Probably closer to $5/hour.

STM

[SkierAlex]

Originally Posted by semach.the.monkey

No disregard to Shauns riding, filming or editing technique, but if it only takes an hour per trick, then it's going to look like a pretty cheap and shabby dvd that people wouldn't be happy to spend money on.

The filming for each trick will probably take at least an hour once you've worked out the locations, best places to set up the camera, and filmed it from different angles etc. The editing is the part which really takes the time, however. Plus if you have to record voice-overs, or add graphics to show what's going on, it'll just add more and more time.

Most people do not appreciate all the time, effort and money that is involved in making any kind of film. Even the most basic and simple looking films have had a load of work put in to them.

Selling 100 copies for $10 each with 20 tricks would pay well less than $10/hour. Probably closer to $5/hour.

STM

O well, that was my attempt at a rough estimate and I was tryna convince Shaun it'd be worth it :P. Yeah I kinda forgot about editing. I don't think filming would take too long but working out the script would take a while I guess. It'd still be alright money for him, and he's making money from unicycling, which he seems to be all for. He would surely rather do that than earn money another way.

[joemarshall]

Originally Posted by SkierAlex

I kind of agree. In other extreme sports there are heaps of professionally made DVD's and not so many online. If people actually filmed a proper DVD they would make money. I mean koxx-one have released heaps of online vids and only one DVD and lots of the online vids are better than the DVD IMO.

This is the big flaw in the 'if you make youtube videos you make it hard for people to make money out of dvds'. If you look on youtube for skate videos, there are over 350,000. unicycling, there are less than 95,000. Yet skating, bmx etc. have far more commercial success.

The more people making unicycling videos on youtube, the more unicyclists there are, which means there's a greater potential for selling dvds to them. It's really common when you meet mountain unicyclists for them to say they started because they saw Kris Holm on youtube for example - I bet he's sold tons of gear thanks to promoting himself in videos (and even due to them being pirated onto youtube).

I reckon people would still buy a well produced dvd of tutorials though, I know I've bought tutorial videos for other things. Youtube is okay, but a good dvd of tutorials could just be easier, and worth someone spending £10/$20 on. If you could make a bunch of copies, you might even convince unicycle.com to sell a bundled deal with some of their street / trials unicycles. They already do this with beginner unicycles, bundling in a 'learn to ride' dvd for a little more money, it'd be great if the more advanced unicycles could be got with instructional dvds too.

Joe

[caudy]

Originally Posted by Dallas m

I think that what everyone needs to realize is that the thing that bothers these riders the most is that this is one of the only sports that hasn't made money. Amanda, sure there are people that play tennis for fun and yada yada yada, but its the same with unicycling except the lack of any professionals that make real money. At least in those sports there is the possibility of making money. I think the point that shauns trying to make is that there is a select group of riders that put in most of their days and at this point half their lives into this sport and the "hobbyists" don't see a problem with not making money in the sport because they are simply hobbyists. Get perspective of what he's trying to say and not exactly what hes typed. I think that he's upset that no one cares enough about the sport to help take action.

When you put it that way it does make a lot of sense.

Postage and Packaging would be very little to the uk so yeah, I would definately buy a dvd.

That is a real nice cover design. I could have a go at something. I'm going to be doing graphics next year at university.

[caudy]

oops. didn't read this last page.

Oh well. It would have been a nice dvd.

[unicycledood]

Anyone wanna know what I'd pay to see? A frontflip

Edit: LOLCOPTER

But no seriously, I do actually hope there are more professional DVD's and less free videos in the future.

[wickedbob]

The sport will move along just fine. I don't see why some of us are in such a hurry wanting to make a quick buck. The innovators should do so for the love, not for the paycheck. If people decide to stop riding, so what? Has anybody noticed all the people learning really quick like issac? They'll be the ones taking the place of the 'old school' riders if they decide to give up, so what's the problem? We've got a lot of talent and peer motivation, for now we don't really need money in our sport we need quality riders who are willing to bring this sport with them.

My 2cents.


I mean, do you really want unicycling to be the next skateboarding, with people just pushing them around and learning because it's cool.

[unicycledood]

Originally Posted by wickedbob

I mean, do you really want unicycling to be the next skateboarding, with people just pushing them around and learning because it's cool.

Kinda? lol.

I'm not sure what your reasons are for riding. But I ride because its cool and extreme. I see no problem with others enjoying and others not understanding. Its the way it is.

[padst3r]

yeah i agree with unibob cause if it was like skateboarding the public wouldnt be thinking 'Hey look that kids on a unicycle and he is doing extreme tricks on it'.Instead they will be thinking '......just another unicyclist' which is what most people think about skateboarding

[unicycledood]

I'm tired of riding through town and having everyone talking to you.

I like a bit of privacy I spose. When I roll into the skatepark everyone stops what their doing just to watch. Its annoying, and I can't wait till unicycling is considered "the norm" which I doubt it ever will. Which I think is a sad thought.

[padst3r]

Id like unicycling to be a bit more well known but i dont want everyone suddenly doing it like skateboarding.If alot of people knew how cool it can be i would be happy

[SkierAlex]

Originally Posted by unicycledood

I'm tired of riding through town and having everyone talking to you.

I like a bit of privacy I spose. When I roll into the skatepark everyone stops what their doing just to watch. Its annoying, and I can't wait till unicycling is considered "the norm" which I doubt it ever will. Which I think is a sad thought.

Yup, same. And unfortunately there's still arse holes who like to make fun of unicyclists. Most attention I get is usually because people think it's kool, or are interested in what I do though. But it can be annoying. I guess it'll never be too normal partly because it takes a while to learn to ride a unicycle.