Unicyclist Community

home gallery forums webmail links map donate
Go Back   Unicyclist Community > Unicycling Discussion > Unicycle Product Reviews

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rating: Thread Rating: 12 votes, 5.00 average. Display Modes
Old 2007-11-28, 02:29 PM   #1
Sponge
Unicyclist
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 949
Arrow The Official 19" Trials Tyre Thread

Hey guys, as I'm super bored at school in my study, I figured I may as well make this, to help others to choose what trials tyre they should be getting for whatever style of riding they have or demand from a tyre.

I have experience in both bike and uni trials, and have used all of the following tyres at some point in both of my sports. I also consider feedback and opinions of riders from both trials sports such as Joe Hodges and many of the top British biketrials mod riders.

NB: These reviews are for trials riders, and not street/flat riders who have different demands in these tyres.

Maxxis Creepy Crawler
One of the most popular trials tyres, especially for beginners. Designed by Dani Comas as a tyre to aid him and his teammates with super grip on natural terrain which the original Monty tyres were failing at.

Grip- Second to none, as proven in previous biketrials world championships where these and Try-Alls were the only tyres were gripping on the wet mossy rock sections. Still grips OK in wet.
Compound- 42a super tacky compound by Maxxis, extremely sticky and grippy, but can have a 'dragging' feeling.
Bounce- Fairly decent, nothing particularly ground-breaking, but good. Soft and slow rebound. Depends on rider's own personal taste and tyre pressure.
Wear-rate- Wears down quite quickly in comparison to other tyres like Try-All. Notorious in biketrials for wearing quickly.
Sidewalls- My pet-hate feature of this tyre, the quality of the sidewall is horrid. Threads start appearing and many in biketrials have torn the sidewalls. Sidewalls are very thin and fold extremely easily which is why many top riders dislike this tyre as sometimes a preload for a no-prebounce gap can just 'loop out' because the sidewalls 'slip'. Very hard to explain, but this is the main reason why top riders stray away from this tyre.
Pinch-resistance- In biketrials, let's just say people HATE this tyre's pinch resistance because the thin sidewalls crush the inner tube inside when they fold like mad. I've known riders on London bike rides to have had 4 pinch flats from Creepy Crawlers in one day. In uni, less is the case, but you may as well know the reputation for this tyre from the bike perspective...

Overall: Get this tyre if you are on a budget, extremely cheap compared to some other tyres. The grip is really something you should be looking for when riding natural especially. If you like running your tyre at super hard pressures and ride natural, then this tyre is fine for you. For urban riders, this tyre still grips great in the wet, but it does wear a bit faster than other tyres. But, for flat riders, due to the build style and quality of this tyre, it is not a good candidate for shaving. Too thin and 'thready' in areas for it to be suitable for shaving.


Try-All Stiky
Another very popular tyre choice, but sadly at a comparatively high price. Extremely grippy, with an advantageous tread pattern.

Grip- Very very good, the undisputed best for grip on wet round rails, the way the tyre is shaped on the corners with the low-profile side treads and the sidewall that sticks out slightly, it has great 'edge' grip on rails, which I was shocked to see when Joe was riding along a long wet round rail.
Compound- Sticky stuff, not quite as draggy as the Creepy Crawler, but definitely one of the longest lasting treads compared to some other tyres.
Wear-rate- surprisingly slow considering how grippy this is. Joe Hodges still has his one from around a year ago when he first got his Koxx sponsorship.
Tread-pattern- one of the nicest features of this tyre, it is designed to flick out mud more effectively than the traditional 'block tread' style of most tyres. Looks great, grips extremely well on the edge of surfaces, biketrials riders LOVE this tyre.
Bounce-like Marmite, this is love or hate... me and Joe used to hate the bounce of this tyre because it is so damn different in feel to tyres like the Monty Eagle Claw and Maxxis CC. But after a while, we got used to it and love the way it bounces. Extremely bouncy for sure, its hard and thick sidewalls give a hard rebound property making the bounce feel 'stiffer'.
Sidewalls- extremely good sidewals, thick and a nice chunky wall of rubber. Much much nicer than CC or Eagle Claw sidewalls which rip and show threads. Makes this tyre perfect for shaving.
Pinch resistance- pretty decent, not many biketrials riders complaining, definitely MUCH better than CCs on this front.

Overall: Extremely nice tyre, with the highest construction quality over any other trials tyre. Amazing grip, innovative tread pattern, unique side-grip properties, decent pinch resistance, super long lasting... A great tyre for BOTH urban and natural riders... (a very rare feat).


Monty Eagle Claw
Essentially, this tyre is an upgrade of the Creepy Crawler. Same style of construction and improved in almost all areas.

Grip- read Maxxis Creepy Crawler
Wear-rate- lasts a decent amount of time, longer than the CC, but Try-All lasts longer for sure. Still damn impresseed.
Sidewalls- like the CC's except a tad thicker and does not have the unreliable folding properties that can upset your preloads. Good stuff... however, my only criticism is that the sidewalls are still slightly 'papery' like the CC and threads poke through, makes it look cheap and feel cheap. Meh, no great loss.
Pinch resitance- DAMN good, so damn good. Joe hardly ever got pinches with this tyre, and the biketrials people I ride with share the same view and experiences.
Bounce- Insanely good, insanely... good... Joe's choice tyre for bounce. Again, bounce is very much down to personal preferance and tyre pressure.

Overall: Really really really good tyre, in a nutshell: a Creepy Crawler with most of its flaws improved! Only criticism: papery sidewalls with threads poking through. A must for natural riders.

Monty Elite/Atlas/Salmon wall/Yellow wall/White wall
The original style of Monty tyre, has been around for years and years but discontinued a few years ago. Great bounce, shit grip.

Grip- ergh, not very good at all. It is shocking how badly it grips in the wet. Shall we just say that back about a year ago, me on a Creepy Crawler was beating Joe on an old school Monty at some wet natural because he was slipping so much. In the dry, it's fine.
Compound- very funny compound that is SUPER soft, but not grippy... almost like foam?! Mmm...
Wear-rate- Pretty decent, lasts a fair amount of time with most people, but not as good in this case as the Try-All. Similar to Eagle Claw in this case from my experience and many others'.
Pinch resistance- read Monty Eagle Claw, very similar in this case
Bounce- EXTREMELY stiff rebound properties due to the extra extra stiff sidewalls, this was the key feature of the tyre. I loved this tyre for bounce, and hundreds of bike riders would agree. But again, bounce is very much personal preference.
Sidewalls- SUPER thick, and give a hard rebound, shame that threads start appearing over them making it look old extremely quickly.

Overall: Very good if you plan on riding in the dry and on urban. Not so good for wet at all. However... vintage. Also... damn easy to get on and off rims!

Echo (ALL-BLACK 2007/2008 onwards) and Onza Sticky Fingers
These two tyres are the same model of tyre except the Onza has a coloured stripe down the middle (either redbrown or grey). This tyre is extremely underrated and not as bad as some may think. Joe Hodges used the Onza tyre to win his first British trials championship. Also, the Echo is THE choice tyre for British Biketrials urban riders. Not too great for natural or wet weather though...

Grip- Nothing special at all... little bit better than the old school Monty tyre in this case(refer to old school Monty tyre review above)
Tread pattern- very tightly packed blocks, and very stiff blocks at that! Not too great for grip compared to other tread patterns (e.g. Maxxis, Try-All, Eagle Claw)... but gives low rolling resistance so bike riders love it in this case.
Bounce- Fairly decent actually, seriously. This is the main reason why biketrials riders are using the new Echo for urban... stiff rebound
Pinch resistace- Fine, nothing to worry about as much as Maxxis CC. Average... not terrible, not ground-breaking. Good enough for most riders.
Compound- hard compound... low rolling resistance, but not so grippy in wet. Wears at a similar rate to Luna in past experience (pretty decent)...Sticky Finger's mid-tread compound is softer than the black compound so it wears a little faster.

Overall: Great for urban riders, a nice alternative. But there are better... this is mainly a preferable tyre for biketrials riders. Not so good for natural at all! Similar to Luna in many respects

Luna
Ah, the Luna... before the Maxxis CC came out, this was the original beginner's tyre. Damn hard compound, solid construction. Loved by many uni riders... HATED by biketrials riders beyond belief. No one half-decent at biketrials really likes this tyre. Funny how these two worlds collide...

This really is a love or hate tyre. I personally dislike it, many people on the otherhand love it.

In a nutshell: Hard compound, stiff rebound, average pinch resistance, reasonable wear rate. But heavy as hell compared to other tyres. Low rolling resistance. Average grip. Also, a bitch to get on and off rims compared to some other tyres.

There are a few other tyres out there, but are so damn rare now that no one really can use them. (e.g. Monty 2.7 and the original Echo Supatrial white-stripe). I'll get reviews of these up if anyone really wants.

Regarding the BOUNCE issue... like I stated in many of the above reviews, it is down to personal preference. This is one factor that is variable, and different people will like different types of bounce. Some people hate the Try-All bounce whilst others love it. It's a matter of getting accustomed to different types of bounce.

Last edited by Sponge; 2007-11-28 at 02:31 PM.
Sponge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 02:43 PM   #2
Sponge
Unicyclist
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 949
If this helps:

Hard Compound: Luna, Echo, Onza Sticky Fingers
Soft Compound: Maxxis CC, Monty Eagle Claw, Try-All, old school Monty.

Grippy: Maxxis CC, Monty Eagle Claw, Try-All
Not-as-grippy: old school Monty, Luna, Echo, Sticky Fingers

Suited for:
Urban: Echo, Luna, Onza Sticky Fingers, old school Monty, (Monty Eagle Claw and Try-All)
Natural: Maxxis CC, Monty Eagle Claw, Try-All,

Least pinch-resistant tyre: Maxxis CC
Least grippy tyre: old school Monty
Most grippy tyre: Maxxis CC/Try-All/Monty EC... all three are very grippy, the choice is yours.
Best grip for rails: Try-All .... without a shadow of a doubt.
Best tyres for shaving: Try-All, Luna, Echo. (due to comparatively thick construction)
Best overall construction quality: Try-All
Cheapest: Maxxis CC
Priciest: Try-All
Lightest: Maxxis CC
Heaviest: Luna
Best wear-resistance: Try-All

Hopefully, you'll all get a better idea of what tyre you want to buy next. Don't take this review as some sort of gospel. Just before choosing a tyre to buy, have a read of this to see its pros and cons.

Last edited by Sponge; 2007-11-28 at 02:45 PM.
Sponge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 02:59 PM   #3
ntappin
Ask me about the Ottawa unicyclists
 
ntappin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Age: 26
Posts: 4,020
Send a message via MSN to ntappin
Actualy over here, the Luna is the cheapest for 25 CAD.

I would also like to know how you quantify things like best grip for rails, and best overall construction quality.

Last edited by ntappin; 2007-11-28 at 03:01 PM.
ntappin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 03:58 PM   #4
jamessd
Recreational unicyclist
 
jamessd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 2,081
Send a message via MSN to jamessd
Seriously, why all the name dropping??

Quote:
when Joe was riding along a long wet round rail ... Joe Hodges still has his one ... me and Joe ... Joe hardly ever ... Joe's choice ... Joe Hodges used ...
__________________
1-wheeled-grape: ''I could never do yoga... I'm too fat I was forced to do it in primary school and the results were by no means fun'' ... ''If my belly doesn't scare me though no nakedness will''
jamessd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:02 PM   #5
Spoonthumb
i hate this *****
 
Spoonthumb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,558
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamessd
Seriously, why all the name dropping??
who cares, maybe because he built the sickest trials frame in the world,lol. Its a good list, thanks sponge
__________________
hey cockman
Spoonthumb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:06 PM   #6
jamessd
Recreational unicyclist
 
jamessd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 2,081
Send a message via MSN to jamessd
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sponge
Best tyres for shaving: Try-All, Luna, Echo. (due to comparatively thick construction)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrick
Hmm, my CC isnt showing any threads.

I have rode my CC for about a year, rotating the cranks so the tire wears evenly, and now its all smooth all the way around it. I love the way it feels.

I still ride it, and now im not noticing any wear on the tire at all, so ill keep using it until it dies. And if I can use a tire for a year+ before buying a new one, then I am happy with that. lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrick
Quote:
Originally Posted by Borgschulze
Jerrick says his bald Creepy Crawler has stopped wearing down (considerably) after the nubs are all gone.

Its true. I was expecting to start seeing threads of the tire months ago, but I haven't. I havent even rotated the tire in months.

Its kinda weird really.
.
__________________
1-wheeled-grape: ''I could never do yoga... I'm too fat I was forced to do it in primary school and the results were by no means fun'' ... ''If my belly doesn't scare me though no nakedness will''
jamessd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:08 PM   #7
Spoonthumb
i hate this *****
 
Spoonthumb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,558
did jerrick shave his CC, no he let it wear, sponge was stating that the best tires to shave were the try all and luna
__________________
hey cockman
Spoonthumb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:10 PM   #8
Sponge
Unicyclist
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 949
For grip on rails, precisely what I mean is when you are hanging on the edge, say you ride a little bit off-centre. The Try-All grips *extremely* well when it is hanging on by the side treads. When it was designed, the purpose of the side treads and the sticking-out sidewalls was to provide good grip for sidehops for bikeriders.

My bad about the Luna and CC... over here in the UK, the CC is much cheaper.

Name dropping? I don't quite understand, but in some tyres, Joe has more experience than me, such as in the Eagle Claw, so his feedback is pretty important in reviewing a tyre. As are the opinions of multiple biketrials riders... but none of you really know their names. But yeah, I'm simply making out that the reviews of the above are not purely my own opinion (they'd be biased if they were).

I mainly wanted just to post this up to help people choose. I wish this forum had a topic locking option, so people could simply view it. I can almost bet there's going to be some people who take pleasure in arguing about all this and saying 'no no, this is better, you are wrong!'.... well, whatever, i frankly couldn't care less. Read the information I've laid out and I hope it helps you, if you disagree then keep your opinion to yourself. This isn't meant to be an argument and debate thread, just simply a list of tyres and reviews about the pros and cons of each so people can refer to this instead of posting a topic in RSU and getting a load of false and unjustified info with very little truth.
Sponge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:10 PM   #9
jamessd
Recreational unicyclist
 
jamessd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 2,081
Send a message via MSN to jamessd
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonthumb
did jerrick shave his CC, no he let it wear, sponge was stating that the best tires to shave were the try all and luna
Calm...

It's exactly the same principle, and who's saying that the base of the tyre isn't made fomr a harder compound that the knobs...
__________________
1-wheeled-grape: ''I could never do yoga... I'm too fat I was forced to do it in primary school and the results were by no means fun'' ... ''If my belly doesn't scare me though no nakedness will''
jamessd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:12 PM   #10
Spoonthumb
i hate this *****
 
Spoonthumb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,558
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sponge

Name dropping?
he's jealous that you ride with Joe Hodges...as am i :P
__________________
hey cockman

Last edited by Spoonthumb; 2007-11-28 at 04:14 PM.
Spoonthumb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:12 PM   #11
Sponge
Unicyclist
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 949
Regarding the Maxxis CC thread showing thing... maybe it's because you haven't scraped your sidewalls by accident? or don't hop on slanted surfaces with lowish tyre pressures? Just have a look at your CC sidewalls and you can see threads sewn in behind the thin layer of black.
Sponge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:14 PM   #12
jamessd
Recreational unicyclist
 
jamessd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 2,081
Send a message via MSN to jamessd
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoonthumb
...
I'm not going to argue with you, but I am going to put you onto my ignore list.

Once again; thread jack over.
__________________
1-wheeled-grape: ''I could never do yoga... I'm too fat I was forced to do it in primary school and the results were by no means fun'' ... ''If my belly doesn't scare me though no nakedness will''

Last edited by jamessd; 2007-11-28 at 04:15 PM.
jamessd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:18 PM   #13
manicpanicmuni
Nation of Champions
 
manicpanicmuni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Age: 20
Posts: 115
jamessd please shut up you are being such a complaitive little ass. you are being so damn critical in this topic, seriously this is why people like sponge post these things up... so people can refer to a reliable source for info on components instead of making their own topic on 'shud i get this tyre' in rsu and having people like you reply with biased comments based on your relatively small experience and range of knowledge on the matter.

sponge, big thanks for putting up this list its deffintiely useful and ill be sure to refer to it when i next buy a tyre. its good to see joe hodges opinions in it too seeing as he is one of the best trials riders in the world and hes used tons of tyres too i hear so these reviews are a combo of sponges, joes, and bikers opinions. definitely a hell of a lot more credible than beginner unicyclists saying 'man get the maxxis coz its da best!'...
manicpanicmuni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:28 PM   #14
Sponge
Unicyclist
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 949
Haha, the joys of posting information up on online forums... it never goes undisturbed and jacked. Never knew it'd happen so quickly, but there we have it .

Nathan, sorry, I missed answering one of your q's earlier. Regarding 'best overall construction quality', I mean the quality of the design and aesthetics.
The Maxxis CC for example looks rather flimsy and 'papery' if you look closely, such as visible threads showing through the thin layer of black, and it goes dull quite quickly in comparison too, the threads do start to show and poke through after a bit, (after looking at 100+ CCs used by bike and uni riders). The Try-All for example has proper thick rubber sidewalls that don't have any threads poking through, and the overall job looks well done. To put it in perspective, it's like comparing a home hand-painted frame to a factory powdercoated frame... the latter simply looks better quality and is of higher quality. A little weird to explain, but I hope you get the gist of it.
Sponge is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2007-11-28, 04:29 PM   #15
jamessd
Recreational unicyclist
 
jamessd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 2,081
Send a message via MSN to jamessd
Quote:
jamessd please shut up you are being such a complaitive little ass
.
There wasn't really much need for that...

Quote:
so people can refer to a reliable source for info on components instead of making their own topic on 'shud i get this tyre' in rsu
Each person will usually have a different specific need in their tyre, as sponge said - but they usually need to check that the tyre they're getting suits exactly what they want to do.
Quote:
and having people like you reply with biased comments based on your
I never contested anything sponge said, I was just trying to debate the fact that some other people have had slightly different experiences with the CC tyre.
Now, peace.
__________________
1-wheeled-grape: ''I could never do yoga... I'm too fat I was forced to do it in primary school and the results were by no means fun'' ... ''If my belly doesn't scare me though no nakedness will''
jamessd is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
the official 19, thread, trials, tyre


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FS - 19" Trials BC Wheel isaac steiner Trading Post 23 2007-11-28 06:57 AM
The Official Trials/Street Unicycle pictures thread manicpanicmuni General Unicycling Discussions 27 2007-08-22 01:26 PM
The official "uncover the mole" game thread habbywall Just Conversation & Introduce Yourself 55 2006-02-27 09:59 PM
[WANTED] Trials 19" rim, tyre, spokes jagur General Unicycling Discussions 0 2005-08-03 03:26 AM
[WANTED] Trials 19" rim, tyre, spokes jagur Trading Post 0 2005-08-01 07:46 AM


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:52 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2001-2013 Gilby
You Rated this Thread:
Page generated in 0.15429 seconds with 11 queries