Ron Paul - Will Americans Support Him?

[Danni]

I like this guy and his ideas. He has the guts to say that the US pissed people off in the middle east and got bombed (9/11). He can actually talk, and has a lot of smarts behind it. Bush is a dunce that can barely pronounce anything but "war on terror".

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

He wants to solidify and actually follow the constitution:
-get rid of the IRS/income taxes which was never in the constitution
-do something about the government printing off money to pay for it's dept by making the dollar interchangeable with gold.
-give back the human rights that bush took away (to fight the war on blablabla).

Also,
- Encourage homeschooling and give tax refunds for parents who do home school their child.
- Anti-abortion
etc (go to his site for more)

Discuss

[brendan]

hes even more dangerous than bush. I mean no income tax and secure the borders some more. Sounds like someone is desperate to get elected on no real ideas.

Anyways this is no place for this discussion this is RSU.

[Danni]

Wow, I must have clicked the wrong forum. So sorry , can any moderators move this to JC.

*embarrassed*

[sockmonster]

This probably belongs in the "Just Conversation" forum, but I'll respond to it.

I'm a HUGE supporter of a universal healcare system that works (it's not as hard as you imagine). Most of the western world has been able to pull it off, so why can't we? I mean, if I broke my leg unicycling, I would not be able to have it fixed. I'd have to just live with it for a while because I have no insurance and no money. He would call it Health Freedom. I'm making a personal choice to have no money and no insurance. He wants me to have the right to have no other options than to work for two weeks on a broken leg until I get my paycheck.

Also, his whole idea of "American Independance" is foolish. We rely more on the international community than he seems to think.

Will Americans support him? I hope not. I certainly won't.

[wobbling bear]

<to J.C.>
Ron Paul is the perfect illustration of the adage:
"for every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat .... and perfectly off the mark ". We also have this kind of politician and they can be successful enough.
I am not against mavericks as long as they have creative skills ....
</J.C.>

[tugboat]

Get rid of income taxes, but then offer tax refunds to parents who homeschool? Sounds like he plans on breaking one of those promises...

[kington99]

Hm, take less, spend more, don't print money. Kindof doesn't work in my head.

[Gilby]

Ron Paul - Will Americans Support Him?

I sure hope so. And from what I've seen, he has the support from those that have looked into him. The challenge is getting the name out there so people know who he is and will look into him. The mainstream media ignores him so his name doesn't get out there much. When you see a candidate that wants to reinstate freedom simply by adhering strictly to the constitution, and has an impecable 30 year history to back up that position, you have to hop onboard. I've been actively supporting Ron Paul and he is the only candidate that has an active following at political events. I've never considered being involved with politics before.

Originally Posted by tugboat

Get rid of income taxes, but then offer tax refunds to parents who homeschool? Sounds like he plans on breaking one of those promises...

Getting rid of income taxes means a 100% tax credit. I noticed that inconsistency too, and I can only guess that any tax credit would be a transition period to no taxes. The unfortunate reality is that many people are dependent on the state, so you can't just cut everything at once.

Originally Posted by kington99

Hm, take less, spend more, don't print money. Kindof doesn't work in my head.

That's take less, spend less, and don't print.

Originally Posted by sockmonster

I'm a HUGE supporter of a universal healcare system that works (it's not as hard as you imagine).

Socialism doesn't work.

Most of the western world has been able to pull it off, so why can't we?

No, they haven't. There are tons of horror stories in those socialized countries. Long wait times and death from waiting. Further, with the US being the last to socialize, innovation, driven by the profit motive, will cease. Health care quality will go down.

I mean, if I broke my leg unicycling, I would not be able to have it fixed. I'd have to just live with it for a while because I have no insurance and no money. He would call it Health Freedom. I'm making a personal choice to have no money and no insurance. He wants me to have the right to have no other options than to work for two weeks on a broken leg until I get my paycheck.

Your view of the world is pretty grim. Back before the government destroyed health care in the US, you would've been able to walk into one of many charitable organizations and get it taken care of for no cost to you. Humans are very compassionate people and will support charities, plus, I bet you will remember the free treatment you got and choose to donate at some later date to that charity when you have the means.

Also, his whole idea of "American Independance" is foolish. We rely more on the international community than he seems to think.

You don't understand what that means then. It means not letting the UN write our laws and not allowing incorrectly named "free trade" agreements force managed trade on us. We don't need agreements with other nations to have free trade. Just allow it to be free and let it be.

His foreign policy is to not have entangling alliances with any nation, and to be friends and trade will all nations.

[GILD]

Re-establishing the gold-standard is an interesting discussion.
Getting rid of the I.R.A, I mean S., is a move that will probably get him not-elected at best, killed at worst.
But anti-abortion?
Bizarre.

[James_Potter]

I actually really like Ron Paul a lot, even though he's a Republican and I normally don't identify as such...probably because he has a more typically Libertarian idea about how the government should be run, whichI think is sweet.

[Gilby]

Originally Posted by GILD

But anti-abortion?
Bizarre.

He's an OB/GYN by trade and that has shaped his personal views on that.

Pro-choice people can come to grips with it in that his position is that it should be left up to the States to deal with, just like murder and most other violent acts are.

[Gilby]

Originally Posted by James_Potter

I actually really like Ron Paul a lot, even though he's a Republican and I normally don't identify as such...probably because he has a more typically Libertarian idea about how the government should be run, whichI think is sweet.

The system is set up as a two party system, with laws making it impossible for third party candidates to get anywhere, so you have to choose one of them to run for, unless you are rich like Ross Perot. Do you choose the fascist party (Republicans) or the communist party (Democrats)? Always a tough choice.

[sockmonster]

Originally Posted by Gilby

Socialism doesn't work.

Yeah, there are horror stories of people dying while waiting for treatment. That's no different than the US. In fact, it's more prevalent in the United States than in Europe. There is no reason the quality of healthcare has to diminish. If you remove the insurance companies from the equation, and their truly horrifying profit margins, you can provide quality healthcare at no cost while still generously compensating healthcare workers.

Without taxing them to death, mind you.
It's attainable, it's realistic, and it's an absolute necessity

[James_Potter]

Originally Posted by Gilby

The system is set up as a two party system, with laws making it impossible for third party candidates to get anywhere, so you have to choose one of them to run for, unless you are rich like Ross Perot. Do you choose the fascist party (Republicans) or the communist party (Democrats)? Always a tough choice.

Exactly...and unfortunately many Americans don't know enough about the specifics of politics to know which one they actually think would do a better job, and only vote for the candidate of whichever party they happen to consider themselves.

[wobbling bear]

Hey what about ideas of future TV ads in a "Paulista" future?

I'll start:

" discovering there is not enough gold in the galaxy to match goods and services?
then go to Barter.com!
Barter.com the best deal you can get for your goods!
until november 1rst our special discount: two sacks of grain for your stone ax!"