California Mountain Unicycle Weekend 2007 - Santa Cruz

[maestro8]

Originally Posted by unicycle6869

Couldn't you just "copy" the NAUCC waiver or simply state "If I get injuried or die in any way possible while on Corbins property, I take full responsiblity and am 100% liable." Doesn't that cover everything? Just curious where the loophole is if you state it like that?

I wish it were that simple.

There are successful cases built upon the fact that the injured party was unaware of the risks involved when signing such a waiver. There are yet other cases built on the fact that faulty equipment (such as our trials obstacles) created risks that are otherwise unapparent to the user.

You'd think we'd be free and clear once you signed the waiver, but lawyers can find many excuses why you shouldn't have signed the waiver in the first place.

There seems to be 1,000,001 different ways for people to get around a simple waiver... which is why a massive waiver may be necessary for any event we may be holding. As I said, we're still considering our options.

Anyhow, I'm really looking forward to my first CMW with or without a trials comp!

...and we're looking forward to having you ride our trails!

[Unicaw89]

Originally Posted by phlegm

I have to agree with torkerdx in that I think street is more injury prone than trials. Sure, trials may involve big moves, but the risk, I think, is much more calculated. Each trials move that is made is in effort to remain in control, and riders hopefully have a healthy dose of fear that prevents them from going too big.

Umm, I dissagree completely man, and I have prolly the most injuries from unis in this place lol. In trials you have more outside objects that would just love to take a bite at ya if you land wrong on..Most trials is done on an uneven surface that is just beggin for you to land on unexpectedly with a lil TWIST of an ankle. In trials you are also going to have far more unexperienced riders trying to go beyond themselves and push themselves further than there limits causing them to take bigger drops and come up short on lines that can cause some nasty repercussions. In street riders know what they can or cant do, Its a series of tricks they have practiced on and generally on flat ground. Most common injury in a street event is someone slicin up a shin from a missfurtuned unispin.

Lets use CMW 2 years ago for a nice example..How many people got injured (minorly and majorly) during the trials comp as compared to the street comp. One kid(sorry man that I forgot your name) had to go to hte hospital to get some stitches on his FACE from falling onto an obstacle, this obstacle was only 4 inches off the ground! I racked myself on a railing farely well(even got a nice lil vid of it) My uni shot out once and nailed Evan in the shin LMAO. I lost count how many poeple I saw eating it on obstacles that were just spelling DANGER DANGER WILL ROBINSON! But look at the street comp (still one of the best organized comps and events I have yet to see,I think that was pretty due to Eyal) Noone was injured at all to my memory, I may have had a look on my face like I was from all the pain from my entire body cramping from Dehydration. There were even riders jumping off of the very nicely sized wall behind the main line and still noone was injured, because most street riders tend to know there limits.

And from a Coordinators view it would be alot easier to build a street course as well, throw down a couple ramps, slap in a grind rail, couple lil obsticals we can find around to make some ledges...Your set, have the riders use there creativity. I trials comp would be oodles of fun yes, but so much more work for whoever is putting the event together, along with Liability and general setup. If we get to antsy Im sure we could have lil mini comps at the trials day(Il bet you a stick of gum you cant clean that line!) But if there were any skateparks we could have at our disposal in that area that would make things so much easier...But I am not familiar with the area in any aspect...

[corbin]

I am leaning more towards a trials comp; I do like trials more than street. My current course (which we are still working on):

http://picasaweb.google.com/corbin.d...AtCorbinSHouse

[torkerdx]

can't picture the place as a whole but you could make a fairly nice trials course out of that.
cody,
street is easier to know your limit because either you can do it or not(like a unispin). also you are given obstacles to work with where trials you are given a line and told to do it. and if you don't like it /can't do it you don't go for it.
but yeah about their being more stuff to run into is also true.

[bob1993]

is there any kind of age limit or any restrictions

[MuniAddict]

Originally Posted by bob1993

is there any kind of age limit or any restrictions

Not if you go with a parent or guradian. My friend Perry and I went to last year's CMW and I was the guardian. It was a blast!

[torkerdx]

wait what is it other wise? 18?

[mornish]

Originally Posted by corbin

Of course, people get hurt doing both sports, but the potential to get hurt bad doing trials lines is MUCH higher than street riding. With trials, in 2-3 moves you can easily be 6-8 feet off the ground. Most street tricks are flat, or involve doing tricks down stairs (which does have a higher potential for bodily injury), or involve low-objects.



What makes you think this? Do you have statistics or are you just going on personal experience? My experience has been the opposite.



Well the fact that it will be at my house means that I want to limit liability. We may end up having a trials competition instead, if more people would rather do that instead of a street comp. If we end up doing that, then there will be no street comp.

There is no time to move the Saturday ride around; that day is booked solid. Don't forget, we will be having a trials day at the Jetti; it just isn't a competition.

-corbin

well, me and my friends always get hurt doing street, never trials.

[mornish]

Originally Posted by maestro8

I wish it were that simple.

There are successful cases built upon the fact that the injured party was unaware of the risks involved when signing such a waiver. There are yet other cases built on the fact that faulty equipment (such as our trials obstacles) created risks that are otherwise unapparent to the user.

You'd think we'd be free and clear once you signed the waiver, but lawyers can find many excuses why you shouldn't have signed the waiver in the first place.

There seems to be 1,000,001 different ways for people to get around a simple waiver... which is why a massive waiver may be necessary for any event we may be holding. As I said, we're still considering our options.


...and we're looking forward to having you ride our trails!

well, why not then state,

I am aware of the very real possibilities of injury or even death on Corbin's property, and I am aware that he has dangerous equipment and obstacles their, and I am 100 percent liable?

[corbin]

Originally Posted by bob1993

is there any kind of age limit or any restrictions

If you are under 18, we will require a parent or guardian. If we do a trials comp, we will require them to be present at the same time for liability reasons.

--corbin

[mornish]

Originally Posted by corbin

If you are under 18, we will require a parent or guardian. If we do a trials comp, we will require them to be present at the same time for liability reasons.

--corbin

i take it a guardian has to be older than 18?

[corbin]

Originally Posted by mornish

i take it a guardian has to be older than 18?

By definition of my last statement, yes. Otherwise...that person would have to have a guardian!

[corbin]

Rod did some research on camping. Here is what he found about Henry Cowell Redwoods State Park.

NOTE: RESERVE A SITE EARLY IF YOU ARE CAMPING! They may fill up (you are warned!)

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Okay, I got the info. How about you post the specific info on the website and then reference that it's there in the thread. That's my suggestion.

I added the reserveamerica.com link thinking you might want to copy and paste it all.

All the sites below are recommended. Phone number to front gate is 831-335-4598. Starred site numbers are highly recommended, but the others are also very nice wooded sites. For reservations go to http://reserveamerica.com/ and type in California for state and Henry Cowell Redwoods State Park. Then click on the date range.

13, 14, 15*, 16, 33*
69(tent site only) no RV or trailer
67
82, 84 (nice big wooded sites, but nearby to trailhead of a very popular trail)
86
43, 44
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Thanks Rod!

[uniextreme]

Whoo I'm excited, what luck that CMW will be at my new home. Looking forward to seeing you all there.

-Brian

[Unicaw89]

And I just broke my muni...Figures...