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Old 2007-04-22, 01:55 AM   #31
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nah...history speaks. look at the 1940's and 1950's the America was innocent. People were nice to each other. Drugs and Nudity were considered bad in public.Swearing was bad. Overall alot of things have changed since then and now look at the world. (America) Everything was so innocent compared to now.
In the 40s and 50s, racism was socially acceptable...a white person could murder a black person in cold blood and the authorities would avert their eyes because he was just a lousy nigger and no one cares about them...that doesn't sound very "nice" to me. These days, in most places in the United States, people from all countries can live together in peace. I think that's a lot better.
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You, people like you, monkeyman want to legalize this stuff to make America worse. As I said...history shows what we once were without all of this crap(nudity,gay marraige..etc) we have today.
Could you explain how legalizing all this will make America worse?
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Old 2007-04-22, 01:55 AM   #32
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lol, "when everything was cool, everyone was neked"
Yeah, you should love your neighbors and enemies, but Im not going to encourage this naked thing if they are my friends or enemies.
So why will you discourage it then?
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:06 AM   #33
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nah...history speaks. look at the 1940's and 1950's the America was innocent.
I don't think you're over 60, and time travel is impossible. You can't compare eras like that. People are going to automatically remember the good times if you ask them to compare then and now. Societal values are obviously different, but they've been changing for a long, long, long (long) time. The British were continually shocked at the "barbarism" of the American settlers. People from the Victorian Era would be appalled at the horrible moral state (in their view) of the 50's.

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Everything was so innocent compared to now.
Oh well, of course. Everyone was totally happy. People just went about smiling, and being completely nice to everyone. Except for the huge world war. And the Korean War. And the Cold War. And McCarthyism.

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You, people like you, monkeyman want to legalize this stuff to make America worse.
Yes, that's exactly it. Good job, you caught me.


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As I said...history shows what we once were without all of this crap(nudity,gay marraige..etc) we have today.
Yeah, America was totally awesome.
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Except for the huge world war. And the Korean War. And the Cold War. And McCarthyism.
Don't forget about the whole anti-Japanese discrimination. Or that lovely business with the Chinese a few decades before that. Or bypassing the First Amendment with things like the Smith Act.

But yeah, you're right. America was perfect then, and is moral hell now.
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:08 AM   #34
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nah...history speaks. look at the 1940's and 1950's the America was innocent. People were nice to each other. Drugs and Nudity were considered bad in public.Swearing was bad. Overall alot of things have changed since then and now look at the world. (America) Everything was so innocent compared to now.

Today you see cocky kids that swear at everything and everyone that are so lazy, and have no respect for there elders. All kids do today is play video games. People are on drugs today more than ever. You, people like you, monkeyman want to legalize this stuff to make America worse. As I said...history shows what we once were without all of this crap(nudity,gay marraige..etc) we have today.
Hmmm.... not really I hear that way to much kids do other stuff....
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:19 AM   #35
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In the 40s and 50s, racism was socially acceptable...a white person could murder a black person in cold blood and the authorities would avert their eyes because he was just a lousy nigger and no one cares about them...that doesn't sound very "nice" to me. These days, in most places in the United States, people from all countries can live together in peace. I think that's a lot better.

Could you explain how legalizing all this will make America worse?

That is probably the one thing you have on the 40's. That was wrong, and people recognized it, and did away with it. Today, Im not so sure this would happen. We are taking in alot of garbage from on TV that you dont even know your taking in. Eventually you dont think its wrong because you've seen it for so long. So dont even start it(gay marraige, nudity, legalize drugs) in the first place.

There is no denying that in America comparing the 40's-50's to now, things are better now....people wise.
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:20 AM   #36
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So why will you discourage it then?

BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH IT! IT THINK IT'S WRONG.....THAT'S MY OPINION! THAT'S WHY I DISCOURAGE IT!
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:29 AM   #37
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I don't think you're over 60, and time travel is impossible. You can't compare eras like that. People are going to automatically remember the good times if you ask them to compare then and now. Societal values are obviously different, but they've been changing for a long, long, long (long) time. The British were continually shocked at the "barbarism" of the American settlers. People from the Victorian Era would be appalled at the horrible moral state (in their view) of the 50's.


Oh well, of course. Everyone was totally happy. People just went about smiling, and being completely nice to everyone. Except for the huge world war. And the Korean War. And the Cold War. And McCarthyism.


Yes, that's exactly it. Good job, you caught me.



Yeah, America was totally awesome.


Don't forget about the whole anti-Japanese discrimination. Or that lovely business with the Chinese a few decades before that. Or bypassing the First Amendment with things like the Smith Act.

But yeah, you're right. America was perfect then, and is moral hell now.

Why can't I compare eras like that? Then to now has totally changed. People actually did smile and say Hi to people on a regular basis. People held the door open for woman, and respected one another....kids respected and listened to there parents.

America was totally awsome. You want to change now even more. Why cant we go back to when everything was good, and people were friendly? The way to do that is just about opposite of what most democrats want to do. They are about change, and why change when things are going good?

There are wars all the time. You cant even put those into the mix. Now we have wars also. And we always will.
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:31 AM   #38
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People are entitle to their opinions. And musketman clearly has his own opinion. So we need to respect that, but he needs to respect ours too.
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:33 AM   #39
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There is no denying that in America comparing the 40's-50's to now, things are better now....people wise.
EDIT: There is no denying that in America comparing the 40's - 50's to now, things were better then....people wise.
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:35 AM   #40
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In the 40s and 50s, racism was socially acceptable...a white person could murder a black person in cold blood and the authorities would avert their eyes because he was just a lousy nigger and no one cares about them...that doesn't sound very "nice" to me. These days, in most places in the United States, people from all countries can live together in peace. I think that's a lot better.

Could you explain how legalizing all this will make America worse?
(in agreeance with alex's post)


yeah the roman had gay marrages and the society was the most powerful one ever
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:36 AM   #41
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People are entitle to their opinions. And musketman clearly has his own opinion. So we need to respect that, but he needs to respect ours too.
I am. I see what your saying.

This all started when "monkeyman" quoted me on how I was saying "Its not practical" monkeyman said to give a reason why or something.....so I did. Here we are now.
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:39 AM   #42
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Musketman, you are wrong, just accept that and slowly drift away from this thread and no one will notice.
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Old 2007-04-22, 02:42 AM   #43
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Musketman, you are wrong, just accept that and slowly drift away from this thread and no one will notice.
I dont think there is a wrong answer in this thread...did you see it? It's about nudity. I said my opinion, and things supporting it, but you guys shot it down because you want to see naked people or something.
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I dont think there is a wrong answer in this thread...did you see it? It's about nudity. I said my opinion, and things supporting it, but you guys shot it down because you want to see naked people or something.
I agree...

Not nessisarilly many of us are just open minded and are open to somewhat new ideas(for America).... Why should being naked looked down upon and be called dirty? Most in Americans(ok me included, but I am trying to change.) automatically think porn or something else which is looked down upon by society..why can't we just see it as the human body and except it for just that...after all porn and being able to be naked are very different we should not nessicarly relate one to the other.....
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I believe that we should have more nudist/"naturalist" areas. I, for one, love being naked. We have an outdoor shower downstairs that I love using when I come home from the beach. There are few bushes blocking it's view from the neighbors, but they're not usually outside anyway. I'm naked every chance I get.

Hell, I'm naked right now.

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