Who says secret abductions by USA are criminal?

[BillyTheMountain]

So far, it's Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland and the EU Parliamentary Committee, with more due.

An Italian judge indicted U.S. and Italian intelligence agents to stand trial for abducting an Egyptian cleric in 2003, setting up the first public trial over the U.S. policy of so-called "extraordinary rendition.''

Judge Caterina Interlandi indicted 25 alleged Central Intelligence Agency agents, including former Milan station chief Robert Lady, as well as Italy's former intelligence chief Nicolo Pollari and his deputy, Marco Mancini.

The Swiss govt is also investigating this, since the flight flew over their air space. Last month a German Court issued an arrest warrant for more Americans involved in such activity, and Spain and Portugal are also investigating.

The EU issued a detailed report into what it said were "at least" 1,245 secret CIA flights in Europe.

USA agents are really going to be arrested, tried and jailed in foreign countries for following George Bush's illegal orders??!

[JJuggle]

Originally Posted by BillyTheMountain

An Italian judge indicted U.S.

Isn't Italy like that country where porn stars are elected and like become politicians?

[JusticeZero]

Sounds good to me. 'Your right to swing your fist ends two inches from my nose' and all.

[bugman]

Whatever happened to Swiss nuetrality?

[MrBoogiejuice]

Originally Posted by bugman

Whatever happened to Swiss nuetrality?

Whatever happened to American respect for international law?

Swiss are neutral when it somes to waging war. Less so when it comes to prosecuting international criminals.

[BillyTheMountain]

Who here gets their news from the Unicyclist.Community?

Did anyone else hear of this?

I get my news from the NYTimes.....

[bugman]

Originally Posted by BillyTheMountain

Who here gets their news from the Unicyclist.Community?

Did anyone else hear of this?

I get my news from the NYTimes.....

How long before they go out of business? Isn't their distribution dropping off rapidly?

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally Posted by bugman

How long before they go out of business? Isn't their distribution dropping off rapidly?

Sounds very inaccurate, like maybe you got it from your right wing blog?

[GILD]

Originally Posted by MrBoogiejuice

Whatever happened to American respect for international law?

Swiss are neutral when it somes to waging war. Less so when it comes to prosecuting international criminals.

Well said lad.

[john_childs]

These extraordinary renditions started during the 90s during the Clinton administration. Are they still a bad thing?

I suppose that Clinton and Bush would say they're only a bad thing if you get caught, hence that's why they're covert. Since we know about them they were obviously not covert enough and were used too often.

[GILD]

If they're in contravention of international law, then yes, they are still bad.

Why would you even ask that?
It's not as if someone's suggesting the president be impeached because he lied or anything.

[john_childs]

Of course the policy is bad. I was being snarky and it's fun to get a Clinton dig in.

I don't understand why they needed to grab the guy inside Italy. That's really really pushing the boundaries and breaking right through. What were they thinking?

I can understand, to a degree, going after known and active terrorists hiding in countries around Indonesia and places like that. But even then it is extremely questionable and needs oversight. To go after someone in a European country is craziness and out of control. We have proper relations with countries like that and those countries have proper laws against terrorists. I can't see them willfully harboring a terrorist. There are proper and legal ways to get someone if that is the case. Someone in the CIA has too much Rambo and Spy vs. Spy in them.

[GILD]

Aye, haven't spoken to you in ages.
Is life treating you well?

[john_childs]

Doing well, just a bit sleepless right now.

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally Posted by john_childs

Of course the policy is bad. I was being snarky and it's fun to get a Clinton dig in.

I don't understand why they needed to grab the guy inside Italy. That's really really pushing the boundaries and breaking right through. What were they thinking?

I can understand, to a degree, going after known and active terrorists hiding in countries around Indonesia and places like that. But even then it is extremely questionable and needs oversight. To go after someone in a European country is craziness and out of control. We have proper relations with countries like that and those countries have proper laws against terrorists. I can't see them willfully harboring a terrorist. There are proper and legal ways to get someone if that is the case. Someone in the CIA has too much Rambo and Spy vs. Spy in them.

France would have willingly harbored the terrorists that created the USA in 1776.

Not everyone shares the same definition of terrorist, which is practically a propaganda term.

And remember, it's not just Italy investigating these activities.....

And this didn't start with Clinton (Though that's a good way to confuse Bugman on the issue). The USA has been doing it for years.

They just expanded it under Bush, so that they grab innocents and guilty alike, like the Canadian who was mistakenly held and tortured for a year.