A Question for Vegans

[bcwheelriderguyhehehehehe]

I actually heard that too^^ but vegans don't don't want to eat fossil fuel thay use it. Hey that reminds me, there is a chick at my school who brags about being vegan and then the other day she was bragging about here "authentic" leather shoes. hmmmm women

[siafirede]

Originally Posted by BluntRM

Here it is:

Fossil fuel is derived from an animal substance. Is it "vegan" to use these products?

Yes, of course it is.

[bugman]

Originally Posted by ntappin

Another thing to be considered in this that many people don't consider is what their local government considers to be organic. Organic and free range or untreated products are very ill defined. In many areas they just have to be chemical free for a certain amount of time. Meaning they could still be treated.

Lets not forget too the recent influx (is that the right word here?) of organic products that have been killing and paralyzing people.

How can anything including vegtables be "Chemical Free"? Do vegtables contain water? H2O, Carbon etc... Vegtables are chemicals and also include a variety of naturally occuring carcinogens and pesticides.

[bugman]

Originally Posted by podzol

Fossil fuels are just about 99.9999999% residual plant matter.

They are probably have a higher percentage vegetable origin than a green pepper from your garden.

No fair, you quite that line of work.

[koebwil]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

So basically, we shouldn't have police because there will always be crime?

Great point. It's about Idealism, not realism. In my ideal world animals would not be harmed. In an attempt to make this world a better place I do my best to not hurt animals. By the way I am full blown vegan. Non-leather shoes and guitar straps and all that.

[BluntRM]

Originally Posted by mscalisi

However unethical it is to exploit the human animal, I believe the definition of veganism excludes people.

That being said, I think it's misguided and hipocritical to be vegan and not take into account environmental and human rights issues when buying anything.

Absolutely. Ethical solidarity is larger than food politics.

[BluntRM]

Another Vegan question:

As a Vegan, would you feed your pet (dog/cat/alligator/whatever) pet food that contains meat products, raw hide bones, etc.? Does your ethical stance on food trump your pets natural diet?

Isn't pet ownership bourgeois? Can a vegan "own" a pet?

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

My goats don't eat meat... I wouldn't call it non-vegan to have a pet... But I don't know...

[DK]

Originally Posted by BluntRM

Another Vegan question:

As a Vegan, would you feed your pet (dog/cat/alligator/whatever) pet food that contains meat products, raw hide bones, etc.? Does your ethical stance on food trump your pets natural diet?

Isn't pet ownership bourgeois? Can a vegan "own" a pet?

If I had a job/werent 15/ could afford it, id feed my dog vegetarian dog food. Other animals , like cats, cannot survive healthily on a vegan or vegetarian diet. So, where possible, I think pet food should be veg, not because I think they shouldnt eat animals; but because of factory farming.


We are responsible for the domestication of animals, so it is our responsibility to care for them. A domesticated dog cant really hunt and survive in the woods on their own, as they should be able. We have to take care of them. Most pets are ethical, and "vegan" as long as they are domesticated and neutered if possbile. Things like primates, most fish, exotic pets, birds, etc. arent "vegan."

[kington99]

Most pets are ethical, and "vegan" as long as they are domesticated and neutered if possbile. Things like primates, most fish, exotic pets, birds, etc. arent "vegan."

Why the distinction by the type of animal? And why does neutering a pet make it vegan? Surely physically mutilating an animal just so you don't have to worry about it breeding is about as un-vegan as it comes?

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally Posted by kington99

Why the distinction by the type of animal? And why does neutering a pet make it vegan? Surely physically mutilating an animal just so you don't have to worry about it breeding is about as un-vegan as it comes?

Dogs are neutered mainly so they don't becoem aggressive.

This thread should be Vegan Only. Others Need Not Post.

[ntappin]

Originally Posted by BillyTheMountain

Dogs are neutered mainly so they don't becoem aggressive.

This thread should be Vegan Only. Others Need Not Post.

Alright then until my next meal I am a vegan!

[DK]

Originally Posted by kington99

Why the distinction by the type of animal? And why does neutering a pet make it vegan? Surely physically mutilating an animal just so you don't have to worry about it breeding is about as un-vegan as it comes?

DDifferentiating between species is key. Theres adifference bewteen having a domesticated cat inside 95% of its life and keeping a bird in a cage, when in their natural habitat, the living area would be thousands of time the size.


Neutering insures the pet will not breed, which creates MORE domesticated dogs, many of whom will die in shelters on on the streets. The pains after surgery outweigh the outcomes, which could be death, overpopulation, and the continuation of domesticated animals.

[koebwil]

Originally Posted by BluntRM

Another Vegan question:

As a Vegan, would you feed your pet (dog/cat/alligator/whatever) pet food that contains meat products, raw hide bones, etc.? Does your ethical stance on food trump your pets natural diet?

Isn't pet ownership bourgeois? Can a vegan "own" a pet?

I would only get a pet from an animal shelter. I wouldn't neuter, and I would get a dog and feed it veges. It's like how I would never want to make a child. I would adopt.

[dan de man]

Originally Posted by Catboy

I'm a level-5 vegan, I don't eat anything with a shadow...

have you tried pocket mulching yet?