unicycle for chirst

[mscalisi]

Pushing it too far!!!???

I unicycle for beer ALL THE TIME!

Originally Posted by maxisback

fun g.. I dont mind christian ppl.. but there's a limit to everything.. I mean I like beer.. do you see me making threads about unicycling for beer ? no cauz thats pushing it to far.. (in my opinion anyways)

[forrestunifreak]

Originally Posted by phlegm

Microevolution has been observed. Macroevolution has been inferred from the fossil record.

Wow. Assuming that is true, macroevolution proves that the complex world and life in it came from some specks of dirt and some slime? You don't find that unlikely, but it is hard for you to believe that there is a God?


Circular reasoning to me.

[phlegm]

Originally Posted by forrestunifreak

Wow. Assuming that is true, macroevolution proves that the complex world and life in it came from some specks of dirt and some slime? You don't find that unlikely, but it is hard for you to believe that there is a God?


Circular reasoning to me.

Macroevolution doesn't prove anything. Macroevolution is a variety of explanations of how simpler life forms eventually became more complex. I don't know that it's any more unlikely/likely than another explanation, but it a useful scientific explanation that yields useful scientific results.

It's not hard to believe in God. I believe in God because I don't have enough faith in science.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by forrestunifreak

Circular reasoning to me.

Forrest, I mean no offense by this, but it really bothers me, and I'm blunt
Please figure out what circular reasoning is...it's not being a hypocrite, it's where something has to be true to prove itself.
If A, then B
if B, then A

A is true
Therefore B is true
Therefore A is proven
That is circular reasoning.

[tholub]

Originally Posted by madmattunipro

There are simply animals that cannot survive unless they are made exactly as they are.

The idea of irreducible complexity is not based on science, and it has been quite well refuted.

The fundamental logical flaw is a false dichotomy; "we don't understand how this works, therefore it must have been created by the Christian God." The second portion does not follow from the first, even if true.

The most important recent work claiming irreducible complexity is Behe's "Darwin's Black Box". His definition is:

A single system which is composed of several interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning

Behe claims that blood clotting, the immune system, and the flagellum could not have evolved on their own; that the systems require too many parts working together to have been the result of gradual changes over time.


Semba, Shibuya, Okabe, and Yamamo showed that whales have blood which clots despite lacking parts of the clotting cascade.

Inlay describes how the immune system could have evolved one piece at a time.

Matzke describes a model for the origin of the bacterial flagellum.

Shenks and Joplin point out that organisms have redundant complexity, not irreducible complexity.

There are dozens of other scientific papers which point out plausible ways that these supposedly irreducibly complex systems could have evolved. In some cases there is even fossil evidence, for example in the case of the inner ear, which evolved from a jawbone. The overwhelming preponderance of evidence shows that all of the systems we see today evolved from simpler systems through natural processes.

If Behe were truly a scientist, and if his theory were truly scientific, he would have to acknowledge that his idea has been refuted. Instead, he just claims (under oath in at least one case) that the evidence provided by the scientific community is "not good enough." He does not provide any description of what evidence would be good enough, because such evidence doesn't exist in his mind; his theory is based on ideology, not science.

[madmattunipro]

How about the woodpecker's tongue. The giraffe's brain? Bombadier beetle?

C'mon there are countless animals with irreducable complexity.

How about the cambrian explosion? This points out that nearly every type of life form existing today appears in the fossil record at the same time. If they all evolved, how did they all evolve form no existing life forms, to all of them at once? It is also shown that the layers of rock direcly beneath the cambrian explosion are ideal for preserving fossils, all they can find however, are sponge embryos. The cambrian explosion turns the tree of evolution on it's head.


There is simply no concrete evidence showing that evolution did occur. Much of the evidence presented to students has been falsified. Like the evolution of the horse fossils. Embriotic structure. Even though these examples have been shown to be wrong, they still use them.

I find it distrubing that you exercise such blind faith in what you have been taught in school. You interpret scientific data with the assumption that evolution is right, instead you should go about trying to disprove evolution, and creation... if you honestly did this, and considered all the facts from both sides of the issue, you may be suprised at where it leads. I'm not asking anyone to believe in my "religion," just consider the evidence. Perhaps the thing that is so hard for you is that if you find that creation is supportable, then you have no choice but to believe in a higher being.

[tholub]

Originally Posted by madmattunipro

How about the woodpecker's tongue. The giraffe's brain? Bombadier beetle?

C'mon there are countless animals with irreducable complexity.

Just to point out to everyone that didn't notice it, this is the typical tactic of the defender of "Intelligent Design"; make an unfounded assertion (the immune system is irreducibly complex), and then when confronted with direct evidence proving the assertion wrong, change the subject.

But it won't work.

Ryan dissects the woodpecker's tounge.

Darwin himself described the evolution of the giraffe's neck and head.

Isaac explains a simple process by which the bombardier beetle could have evolved.


There are plenty of examples of things we don't understand fully. But upon examination, in every single case, natural explanations are found.

How about the cambrian explosion? This points out that nearly every type of life form existing today appears in the fossil record at the same time. If they all evolved, how did they all evolve form no existing life forms, to all of them at once? It is also shown that the layers of rock direcly beneath the cambrian explosion are ideal for preserving fossils, all they can find however, are sponge embryos. The cambrian explosion turns the tree of evolution on it's head.

The Cambrian Explosion is at the core of evolution; it's merely the period during which the largest number of species appeared. Foes of knowledge and science try to emphasize that this happened "all at the same time" and fail to note that the Cambrian period covered 53 million years; plenty of time for evolution to take its course. And animal fossils have now been found in Vendian strata dating back to 650 million years ago, over 100 million years before the Cambrian period.

Once again; the ideas of Intelligent Design have absolutely no basis in science, and the only way ID's proponents can defend their irrrational position is to ignore all factual evidence and any kind of scientific process. And then, bizarrely, claim that it is the scientists who are actually looking at the evidence are the ones who are acting on faith.

[unicycle dave]

i am a mennonite from PA i dont know if my parents woud let me be part in a club but i really support the idea

[nachos]

well i think its a good idea.... i mean yeah its cool woo.... i added that thing to my siggy \/ \/ woo so pretty

[maestro8]

Originally Posted by Bud-Litebulb

(the following is a clone of a post I made to a clone of this thread in JC. it is so important that i think it needs to be rpeated here in RSU)

There is a special level in hell reserved for cross-posters. Especially bull-headed ultra-conservative trolling cross-posters. I hope there's a glass floor on my level so I can watch you enduring countless hours of public-access television dubbed with foreign folk music while being force-fed raw snails in the company of screaming infants with really smelly gas. And that's only what they have in store for you for the first 1,000 years of your stay...

[skroboskim]

luke 12:49- I have come to set the earth on fire, and how i wish it were already blazing!
i love u for who you are

[phlegm]

[skroboskim]

pm me if you want to join

[BornUgly]

I already sent you a PM

[skroboskim]

Originally Posted by BornUgly

I already sent you a PM

yeah ... apparently youre cool like that
but anyways ... who would buy stickers and how big should they be ??
i was thinking like 1"x4"/5"


any ideas?