Revenge Of The Sith:

[jagur]

Originally posted by weeble
(Spoilers to follow, duh)


JarJar is briefly glimpsed but has no lines or any actual role in this one, and for that, meesa grateful.

i love your post but Jar-Jar did have one line..he said "ex squeeze Me" at the very beginning after the crash landing sequence on the cat walk passing Bail Organa.

[jagur]

"A New Hope" is a historic document of what the state of the art in film effects was at the time, a film that altered the course of the film industry (many would say for the worse), and I'd like to have that

i have them on VCD copied from the Laser disc release. thats the only way to get them for a DVD player....

GREEDO SHOOTS FIRST!......forever and always.

the only change i like in the newer DVD releases is the replacement of Ian McDemit as the Emporor in Empire instead of the old lady in make up.

[jediunicyclist]

What the hell? In ROTJ Leia says that she knew her mother a little bit and Luke replies that he didn't know her at all. But Padme fricken died right away! They both knew her the same fricken amount!!! WHAT THE HECK-HELL!!!???!?!?!?

[jagur]

Originally posted by jediunicyclist
In ROTJ Leia says that she knew her mother a little bit and Luke replies that he didn't know her at all.

yep another plot hole. Leah said "i remember her always sad"

best hole is the fact that Anikin never said "hey Obi-wan, give this light saber to my son" thats big mess up there.

[Fuego]

I like how the empire only lasted like 20 years or so.

In the first films I always got the impression that
1. the clone wars were about 100 years ago, and
2. the jedi purge took a really really long time.

Also, how did obi get so grey in 18 years or whatever? He was about 30 during the clone wars, so he's supposed to be in his 40s in a new hope. How come he looks 65?

[weeble]

Originally posted by jagur
i love your post but Jar-Jar did have one line..he said "ex squeeze Me" at the very beginning after the crash landing sequence on the cat walk passing Bail Organa.

What... Why did you have to tell me that! You... I... I....

NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[jagur]

i just went for a second helping of the Sith

the Wookee part is best place to take a leak.

[tomblackwood]

Originally posted by jagur
i just went for a second helping of the Sith. the Wookee part is best place to take a leak.

Thanks to Jagur for the first truly constructive contribution to this thread. I only wish I had read it before going to see the movie tonight.

There were definitely some cool elements, but overall I thought it kinda sucked.

Some of the best stuff was the simplest...like Yoda when he walked in to visit Sidious, dropping the two guards with a twitch of his wrist.

[UniBrier]

Johnny and I saw it last night too.

With all the de-limbing by light saber I'm surprised there wasn't more blood. Must be quite the cauterization tool. I wonder if Jedi surgeons use light scalpels.

When III came out the local news made an observation that there are two Star Wars camps: Those over 40 that will always think IV-VI are the best and those under 30 think I-III aer better. All are great entertainment, now if they could do a special box set without JarJar... (I bet Episode I would have been different of Lucas had done them in order.)

[harper]

Originally posted by yoopers
I haven't seen the latest movie yet, gonna wait for it to come out in home theater. But I've been perusing the posts in this thread and may have identified a brewing situation.

It may come as a surprise to some, but this is just a movie made in Hollywood. It isn't real life. Really. Honest. It's not the six o'clock news, it's entertainment.

I wish it were though, it sure would be fun to live that far in the future.

This is real life. Awards for special effects in which there is sound in free space as well as aerodynamics? No plot, no script, no acting, intentional temporal reordering to maintain or create future interest. And people dropping ten bucks a pop for it. This will entirely occupy the lives of many for months to come until it comes out on some video format and you watch it, wishing you had moved the furniture while it was on because it sucked so badly you could have vacuumed your entire house with it.

By the time I see it, when it's not even on cable TV anymore, many of these people will be adults with real responsibilities like taking out the trash (old "Star Wars" videos and DVD's) or feeding the dog. Some may be able to dress themselves by then. A few might be able to read. You and I will be collecting our social security "coupons" with an exchange rate measured by weight rather than denomination. Or perhaps we will be soylent green.

"Star Wars," "The Lord of the Rings," video games, all of that pap is so much a part of real-fake life it's scary. But don't worry, these people will believe more and more of what they see. It may get worse. You may live that far into the future.

Pirate the DVD when you get a copy and send it to me. Then I won't have to wait until it comes to channel seven.

[Magic 8 Ball]

Originally posted by Fuego
Also, how did obi get so grey in 18 years or whatever? How come he looks 65?

Better not tell you now.

[JamesH]

Originally posted by jagur
[BGREEDO SHOOTS FIRST!......forever and always.[/B]

No way man, Han shot first ...

[johnfoss]

Originally posted by jediunicyclist
In ROTJ Leia says that she knew her mother a little bit and Luke replies that he didn't know her at all. But Padme fricken died right away! They both knew her the same fricken amount!!! WHAT THE HECK-HELL!!!???!?!?!?

Ever heard of adoptive parents? I think we got a glimpse of Leia's adoptive mom at the end of the movie. Now we know she's going to die before Leia is 10.

Luke is raised by his Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen. No mom.

Sure it's just a movie. What's unicycling? It's nice to have idle time.

Of course Star Wars is much more than a movie to the army of people who have/had a financial stake in it. Not only was it a huge money-maker of its own, it spawned a whole new life for science fiction in TV and movies. Battlestar Galactica, for example, was a total Star Wars rip-off. Did it add to our culture? I think a little. No less than the Flash Gordon and similar serials to which it pays homage.

[johnfoss]

Originally posted by weeble
"Thank you, Chewbacca. Thank you, Other Wookiee. Now ten seconds you have, your relationship to establish.

I like new characters and locales. It's a lot more interesting than going back to Tattooine every other movie. In a galaxy that's supposed to be as diverse as the Star Wars one is, we should see lots of new people and locations.

Or maybe it was just an attempt to explain why Obi-Wan never heard from Qui-Gon at all after the latter's death, when Obi-Wan got in touch with Luke immediately after buying it in the original movie.

That works for me; filling a plot hole none of us seems to have noticed. With plenty of potential for more story material for episodes 3.1, 3.2, etc.

She's dying because, because, um, oh, she's lost her will to live, yeah. Quick, hand baby Leia off to these minor characters here, who happen to be looking to adopt! Have the protocol droid's memory wiped!

Yes, it was like being at the top of a Glad bag as the twist tie is being put on. Is this Lucas' way of saying he's done with the series? Otherwise we could be allowed to believe Padme dies for a less-lame reason, or that R2-D2 and C3P0 have lots more adventures to experience in the next 17 years or so.

I believe General Grievous' smoker's cough was an act, as was the hunched posture;

To me I think it was more like turning up the juice for fighting, as in The Matrix Revolutions, when Naiobe pulls a lever and the messed-up ship rises up and not only flies perfectly, but takes out a huge armored door without killing everyone onboard.

He is a good-running mechanical body with a creaky old "thing" making the decisions for it. Kind of the opposite of The Terminator. The general is in ill health, but apparently he can still use his mind to make his body fight, even if his breathing is bad. We got a glimpse or two of his organic insides, and at one point Obi-wan seemed to be trying to pry him open.

Once again Lucas does the apparently impossible by jacking up the technical standards of special effects yet another notch. Eyes pop and jaws drop as intended. Major visual overload in the space battle scenes, though. Too much going on in each frame.

Why all the complaints about the CGI? It reminds me of people complaining about synthesizers for music in the 70s. Then the 80s came along and everybody was using them. The great thing about filling a scene with visual overload is that you can always see something more the next time you watch the movie--hopefully in the theater again. I know I saw the original Star Wars at least 3 times.

And I like CGI. When it's done right, it gives you a freedom you don't have when working with models. I love models too, but I understand their limitations.

Lucas is a visionary of sorts but has real problems as both a director and a storyteller. He does romance the way Red Green does home improvement. Large logic and continuity gaps remain unfilled.

I think we are expecting too much in some of this. Remember his inspiration was the old Saturday morning serials. Watch some of that stuff and get an idea of where the Star Wars storyline comes from. I think the secret in so much of that old Flash Gordon-type stuff was *ignoring* continuity and just having a good time. Scripts were lame, acting was lame, and the special effects were lame too. At least Lucas' spaceships fly like airplanes; Flash Gordons' flew like Christmas ornaments!

{I liked where the little "sabotage droid" got zapped and then appeard to get blown off the back of Obi-wan's (Anakin's?) ship. I guess if your ship is going to fly like it's in air, the same effect should apply to anything stuck to it!}

Artoo Detoo CAN NOT FLY, Lucas, you big dumb stupid blockhead.

The whole look and feel of this movie clashes with the "next" one, the original 1977 film.

It had to If Epsiods I and II had been done in "retro" 70s, or even 80s style, there wouldn't have even been an epsiode III. I think these films' strongest element is the groundbreaking special effects. I expected a lot there, and was not disappointed. I was not expecting even as much story sense as I got, so I wasn't disappointed there either. It ain't high art.

I haven't bought the DVD, and won't unless the original version is included.

I think there would even be a market for the originals, though more of a specialty one. They would not be money-makers like the current versions.

The one that really bothered me was the re-release of Close Encounters of the Third Kind. It had that whole stupid additional scene at the end where Roy Neary steps inside the big mothership and looks at more cool special effects, with his mouth hanging open. Great, but what did that add? Plus they took out one of my favorite scenes, where he goes manic and starts tearing up his yard to build Devil's Tower in the living room.

But when I bought a (deeply discounted) DVD of the film, I was delighted to see it was some sort of in-between version. It seemed to contain all the original footage, plus the new footage from the re-release, *minus* the gratuitious look inside the mothership. I like it!

Originally posted by llegerg
... but noooo! Now the masters are killed one by another by simple troops..

I also thought they were surprised way too easy. I attribute part of this to the insidious nature of sidious. To get to where he was, he had to be *really* good at covering himself up. So we knew there was something fishy about the whole clone army, but it was like we almost forgot about it when they finally turned. *Except,* wasn't it Obi-wan who originally investigated the clone army? What the hell was he thinking? These guys seem to be okay, but their origin is suspect. So what do you do?

So yeah, even if they expect an army of Jango-Fetts to be entirely trustworthy, I would still expect a member of the Jedi Council to not be taken so easily.

Speaking of Jedi, do they really only live on the one planet? Is there really no Jedi academy anywhere else? That was way, way too easy. Then the remaining two Jedis just "hide" for the next 17 years or so? Come on.

And now they don't even seal the heart inside something? Now it's just some plates (that obiwan could break with his bare hands). If you compare this construction to darth vader, it's ridiculus.

Darth Vader? He just has a (full face) helmet, a bunch of artificial body parts, and a little control box on his chest. Otherwise I think he's wearing clothes. I would assume Grevious was armor plated, to some degree, and that Obi-wan was doing his best to bust him open. I didn't have a problem there; I just thought the coughing was weird.

And how come anakin is so.. dumb?

Because, young jedi, George Lucas *is* his father!

Yup, he sure was dumb. Maybe not dumb, but blinded. As before, I credit Sidious with messing with his head. Much of what happened in Episode III was orchestrated by Sidious in order to "groom" Anakin to be his next apprentice.

[jagur]

Plus they took out one of my favorite scenes, where he goes manic and starts tearing up his yard to build Devil's Tower in the living room.

are you serious, how could they remove that part? why? thats a major climactic moment in the movie.....!?