Revenge Of The Sith:

[jagur]

That sounds good. I concur.

totooine is also run by the Huts which throughout the series seem to be mostly free from the empire. kinda like trying to find a jedi baby in Las Vegas.

[dogbowl]

Two things I kept waiting for:

During the final light saber fight, everytime Obi-Wan called him "Anakin," I kept hoping, expecting the young Sith to say "Don't call me that! My name is Vader--Darth Vader!"

Vader to return back to the fancy love nest he kept with Padme, and instead of having her already gone, she would be there, waiting for him--only to TOTALLY FREAK OUT when the Dark Knight in his plastic mask appears, saying "Honey, I'm home..."

I have a feeling she would not have hung around for long.

[jagur]

i was waiting for Anikin to sport a new RED light saber, like pictured in the promo movie poster at the theater???? false advertising!

[pissinlemonaid]

Originally posted by jagur
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 1:15 am Post subject:



the Qui-Gon connection at the end was totaly bogus.

Qui gon connection was nessassary...it lets us understand how obi can use the force to talk to luke in the older movies. its put there for a good reason. that part of the movie was good to be there, but i think the way they put it in was stupid. its like..the end of the movie and its like "Oh by the way, come with me, we can get you in contact with qui-gon" leaving everyone to be like, SWEET!!! QUI GON!! he will talk to him! and then its ike the credits. that was the worst.

[metro_tramp]

No No NO !!!

i think he whole film reeked of tv-movie badness.. it felt like a dodgy episode of stargate SG-1 or some other such trash that you see on sky 1.

yes, there were good parts.. um.. i think.. yeah:

The whole way sidious plays anakin like the little pawn he is (tho you'd think annakin might be just a little bit cleverer than that..)

Anakin's burning near-death was soo dark it made me tingle in naughty places.

Ditto for the 'younglings' murder scene.

The 'birth of Darth Vader' is perhaps one of the best scenes in any of the films. (tho it gets wrecked about 30 seconds later)

Obviously some of it (monowheel, space battles etc) looked so cool it was unreal, and yoda crawling onto a wookie's shoulder had a strange loveliness for me.

BUT

there's the rest of it:

i dont think any of it could count as 'proper' dialogue - it was all incredibly contrived and you could smell the scenes where Lucas was trying to either 'fill in the gaps' for the fans or 'make an important social comment'. The 'Liberty dies; to the sound of thunderous applause' line just HURT. I can see George sitting writng it close to climax and thinking 'This is the oscar winner'.

It's horrible to watch the (for my money) only two good actors in the film (Portman and Mcgregor) be dragged down by the awful scripting and the high-school-play melodrama of the other actors.

What was the need for all the cut-scenes at the end? Yeah, it's Luke from the other films; yeah, it's Darth Vader; yeah, that's the death star.. WE GET IT ALREADY!!!

CG babies! you're just being lazy now George...

Total over-use of lightsabres. yeah, they're the jedi weapon of choice (though the sword-fighting 'skills' look pretty appauling when compared to pretty much any film from the past decade, eastern or western.. sorry, but the 'spinny spinny "you go here and ill hit your sword there"' style just dont hack it anymore.

The Qi-Gon jin thing.. i thought this was more a lame attempt to make the light side equal to the dark side and also kick anakin in the nuts.. 'qi gon jin has found out a way to immortality' ('D'oh!' - anakin/Darth)

SOOO MUCH CG!! i just starts to look bad. part of the coolness of the original films was that everything was all worn and dirty, but when you use cg, everythng ends up looking like Toy Story or something. And the lightsabres just looked like day-glo AnnoySticks.

What should have been a very moving storyline to do with young love, desperation in the face of death, and loss of will to live even with baby twins ends up being a hammed-up CG-fest with such bad acting that the end-result is actually offensive.
...

I've never been that big a fan of star wars, but i can see that the last three are soo much better.. as Mark Kermode (brit film critic) said, Lucas made a name for himself with the first three, which were pretty basic-but-cool hollywood fare. The films became cult classics, so with the last(first?) three, he shold have taken the time to make intelligent, interesting films that could be enjoyed on many levels by fans and non-fans alike. Instead, he's slapped his fans in the face and bored the rest of us.

It's my personal contention that George Lucas hates being know for star wars, star wars, star wars. He hates that noone will ever ask him about his other films and that mad fans bug him about lightsaber colours. So he decides to take revenge by making three episodes that are soo bad that nobody will ever take star wars or him seriously again and he'll be left in peace.
Either that or his neck is actually controlling 'George'.. i mean, that neck just isn't normal...

I'll refrain from making any more moans about the film (and there are a Lot) cos.. well.. i'm startng to sound like a prick.. but Damn, i really cant understand how anybody can enjoy it!

[weeble]

(Spoilers to follow, duh)

The Qui-Gon element at the end has the air of an afterthought about it, and is most likely there as an additional hook to hang more storyline on, for books, TV series etc. Actually much of this film seems like a setup for future product; one character and one exotic locale after another appear seemingly just for the purpose of being introduced to us for later reference. "Thank you, Chewbacca. Thank you, Other Wookiee. Now ten seconds you have, your relationship to establish. Chatter to each other in an amusing fashion you will for a moment after I leave, ok? See you both again I will, in a series of graphic novels." The Internet Movie Database's plot outline for an "Untitled Star Wars TV Series" so far says only, "Plot unknown: Will most likely focus on new characters and be set between Episode III and Episode IV." We'll probably see Obi-Wan consulting with his spectral mentor in his continuing adventures among the Jawas and Tuskens and minions of Jabba. Just please... no more Holiday Specials.

Or maybe it was just an attempt to explain why Obi-Wan never heard from Qui-Gon at all after the latter's death, when Obi-Wan got in touch with Luke immediately after buying it in the original movie. We Jedi just now figured out how to do that, see? There's a lot of hasty hole-patching going on here as the two ends of the series are drawn together. She's dying because, because, um, oh, she's lost her will to live, yeah. Quick, hand baby Leia off to these minor characters here, who happen to be looking to adopt! Have the protocol droid's memory wiped!

I believe General Grievous' smoker's cough was an act, as was the hunched posture; it all went away when he threw off his cloak and went into yet-another-saber-duel mode. I gathered that he was not actually a droid but rather an organic creature whose body had been either augmented or almost entirely replaced by mechanical parts. I would call his vehicle a monocycle; it looked like it had two rims, so technically maybe it would be a dicycle, but they were so close together that the structure functioned as a single wheel.

Once again Lucas does the apparently impossible by jacking up the technical standards of special effects yet another notch. Eyes pop and jaws drop as intended. Major visual overload in the space battle scenes, though. Too much going on in each frame. By the time your eye decides which of the hundreds of hurtling shapes or blossoming flames it wants to rest on, it's too late; the shot changes and it's hard to get more than a vague impression of any specific thing. Slow down, dammit; let us get a look at your work here.

I did spot the Millennium Falcon-type ship, seen for a second or two at one point. I didn't notice whether there were any E.T. guys in the senate chamber this time, or not.

Lucas is a visionary of sorts but has real problems as both a director and a storyteller. He does romance the way Red Green does home improvement. Large logic and continuity gaps remain unfilled. He has it in his head that he's creating some sort of profound mythology for the modern age, and his characters aren't strong enough to support that kind of weight. The characters in the original film were pretty much cardboard too, but they inhabited a breezy space opera where they fit right in, and the result was more fun than I can bear to think about now. The team here is so weighted down by profundity, so overwhelmed by dazzling visuals, and so ill-served by awkward dialog that their thinly-written personalities can't stand up. There are the odd exceptions; Yoda remains the most engaging performer, as he has always been, even in his rubber-puppet incarnation in "Episode V." And Sam Jackson can kick your ass just by looking at you, one of the advanced Jedi skills that he mastered long ago.

Artoo Detoo CAN NOT FLY, Lucas, you big dumb stupid blockhead. This was made abundantly clear in the original three films, and the fourth gave no indication to the contrary. Now in the last two you have Artoo getting himself out of this jam and that by zipping around with rockets on his legs. I slap the face of you, George Lucas.

JarJar is briefly glimpsed but has no lines or any actual role in this one, and for that, meesa grateful.

The whole look and feel of this movie clashes with the "next" one, the original 1977 film. This worries me; Lucas has shown questionable judgement with a lot of his Special Edition enhancements, and I fear that in the next video release he will attempt to bridge the stylistic gap with a clutter of added CGI which will render the original film unrecognizable. I haven't bought the DVD, and won't unless the original version is included. This isn't just reactionary purism; "A New Hope" is a historic document of what the state of the art in film effects was at the time, a film that altered the course of the film industry (many would say for the worse), and I'd like to have that. And I have memories.

[lleberg]

I really don't like that the jedis is all human again, they can smell danger from lightyears away several years in advance.. but noooo! Now the masters are killed one by another by simple troops.. If we look at episode four, where our beloved obi wan can get the stoormtropers to say and think whatever he wishes, and now they don't see what's coming, and they are fought down like children. I mean, come on!

And about the lord greveius or whatever his name was.. it feels sooo... Zelda? Where Ivy, the fairy tells him "Hit the heart! It's the only weak spot on this monster, use your hookshot you got in this temple".. And now they don't even seal the heart inside something? Now it's just some plates (that obiwan could break with his bare hands). If you compare this construction to darth vader, it's ridiculus.

And how come anakin is so.. dumb?

Feels like the onlything happending in episope three it tying episode two and for together..

Me and some friends are about to watch the whole starwars trilogy (ehum) this weekend, really nasty

[unicycleboy]

exuse me metro tramp. There is nothing wrong with star gate sg1 or there wasnt anything wrong with it, I used to watch it like 5 years ago so was a while ago!

Trev

[Seager]

blah blah blah "something negative 'cause being negative and pessimistic is fun" blah blah blah "I don't know how to enjoy a movie" blah blah blah "I decided I was going to hate it years ago anyway" blah blah blah

[yoopers]

I haven't seen the latest movie yet, gonna wait for it to come out in home theater. But I've been perusing the posts in this thread and may have identified a brewing situation.

It may come as a surprise to some, but this is just a movie made in Hollywood. It isn't real life. Really. Honest. It's not the six o'clock news, it's entertainment.

I wish it were though, it sure would be fun to live that far in the future.

[metro_tramp]

Originally posted by unicycleboy
exuse me metro tramp. There is nothing wrong with star gate sg1...

yeah. sorry. i've never watched it. i was just tryin to make a point of thatt sky1 style series that (in my mind) has really bad acting and story, but lots of cool looking cg to make up for it.

perhaps 'dinotopia' might make for a better example..

and all you 'stop being mean/its only a film/cheer up' types can shhhhh... if people discuss a film (or any piece of art) we're gonna do it in a critical way. And if i pay £5 to see a film that demeans, annoys and bores me, i see it as my democratic right... no... DUTY to bitch and whine to all who'll listen/read...

but yeah, yoopers is right. it's a big, fat hollywood film so we shouldnt expect it to be otherwise..
and anyway, i think my excessive Revenge of the Sith bashing may have something to do with my collarbone breakage, so i'll shhh lest Darth Lucas is onto me..

[metro_tramp]

Originally posted by yoopers
I wish it were though, it sure would be fun to live that far in the future.

OH NOO!!!! The star wars fans'll eat you alive for that error!!!

Now everybody, repeat after me: 'A LONG TIME AGO...'

[jediunicyclist]

lol, his comment about "living that far in the future" got to me. Thanks for clearing that up, metro_tramp.

That aside, one of the BIG things i was waiting for was for Anakin to say something to the effect of, "Give my lightsaber to my son!" as he was burning up or something.

But that's about my only issue.....(and i wish they kept han solo in it)

[forrestunifreak]

Wow........I didnt know you could rant so much about one movie........makes me wanna see it even more.

[James_Potter]

Originally posted by pissinlemonaid
Qui gon connection was nessassary...it lets us understand how obi can use the force to talk to luke in the older movies. its put there for a good reason. that part of the movie was good to be there, but i think the way they put it in was stupid. its like..the end of the movie and its like "Oh by the way, come with me, we can get you in contact with qui-gon" leaving everyone to be like, SWEET!!! QUI GON!! he will talk to him! and then its ike the credits. that was the worst.

I think I missed the Qui-Gon connection when I saw it.... what happened?