KH - Velo Question

[unisk8r]

I also agree the modular seat parts are best. My fav seat mod is using stock KH foam (the soft kind) & cover with a Gemcrest carbon base. I sew a 1/2" velcro strip on the inside lowest edge of the cover, and glue the hook side of the velcro to the inside edge of the carbon base. Then the cover pulls down and wraps under the carbon base, attaching to the velcro on the inside edge. No probs so far. When the day comes to replace the cover, I'll just sew more velcro onto the new cover, and it'll be ready for action!

Very interested to see the new KH models.

[fexnix]

Originally posted by monociclos
Please everyone!

If possible send pics of the fusion cover!!!

THANX!

show me pictures too!

[munimanpete]

Originally posted by fexnix

show me pictures too!

KH Fusion Seat Cover as shown on unicycle.co.nz

[johnfoss]

Originally posted by ChangingLINKS.com
I am not sure why staples and glue is used rather than a removable cover. SEEMS like there would be less labor, and a world of improvement.

I think that where the seats are manufactured, labor is cheaper than parts. A system like the Miyata seats would involve all the clips, riveting them on, making holes in the seat base, and a slightly larger and more complex seat cover. And the wire.

But now that a removeable cover is coming along, it will make things much more flexible for us. I'm sure the improvements will continue to follow, but there will have to be at least one production run on each design to at least make a dent in paying for the changes. We have to wait for one production run to run out before we can get the next one. We still live in a world where the market isn't that big...

[ChangingLINKS.com]

Originally posted by johnfoss
I think that where the seats are manufactured, labor is cheaper than parts. A system like the Miyata seats would involve all the clips, riveting them on, making holes in the seat base, and a slightly larger and more complex seat cover. And the wire.

But now that a removeable cover is coming along, it will make things much more flexible for us.

Yes. I was referring to the "drawstring" seat covers. No need for glue, staples, clips, riveting, making holes or the wire. Seems like the removable design can be machine made, and is much less complex than the Kris Holm cover. It also allows for airseat conversion. I think that if Kris built such a setup, he'd take greater market share of unicycle seats.

[mandarin]

Unicycle.com just recieved stock of the new Fusion saddle covers (as recently as this last week, I believe). They fit over the KH saddle, and can be added to new saddle orders or ordered seperately at:

http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=792

The NZ and UK stores are a little better with non-broken images:

http://www.unicycle.co.nz/View.php?a...=KHFusionCover

I'm very curious to hear how this fares with airseat conversion. I'm usually fine with MUni trips in the 3-4 hour range, but plan to do more commuting now that it's cooling off here. I'd be great to have a convenient option to convert one of my existing saddles to an airseat, if the new covers turn out to work well in that regard.

[danger_uni]

Originally posted by Rowan

I think that last comment is not true. I had a KH saddle in 2003...Sorry Kris but I think it needs improving.

My point isn't that the saddles have been perfect but rather that I've been working on it- it just takes time. R&D is an iterative processes that can take up to a year for new products, and these seats have been around for only a couple of years. Even for something as seemingly simple as a removable cover, this is the case.

Regarding labour and a removable saddle cover: It is way more expensive to make a well-designed removable saddle cover compared to the glue and staple version. Gluing and stapling is easy and quick- that's why it's done. The Fusion saddle cover on the other hand needs to be sewn together with a drawstring and stretch-fabric in the ends- much more work.

Kris

[ChangingLINKS.com]

Originally posted by danger_uni

Regarding labour and a removable saddle cover: It is way more expensive to make a well-designed removable saddle cover compared to the glue and staple version. Gluing and stapling is easy and quick- that's why it's done. The Fusion saddle cover on the other hand needs to be sewn together with a drawstring and stretch-fabric in the ends- much more work.

Kris

Thank you. I didn't know that. Problems or not - we all appreciate the KH saddles - I would have quit unicycling by now if I had to ride that plain Miata/Torker saddle.

[GizmoDuck]

NZ Unicylists-

Just looking through the unicycleshop website. This looks good value. I've not seen this variation of the KH seat- more Kevlar has got to be a good thing, and it's only $60.

[GizmoDuck]

And a side on view of the Kevlar (and I meant NZ$60):

[munimanpete]

Yeah i've been looking at those too Ken, though at $60 i can't imagine they're as good as the KH brand. But they do look like a pretty good deal. I like the yellow and grey one

[GizmoDuck]

Pete,

Yeah, I'm not sure how strong it is but it may make a good seat transplant (cover and foam) onto the Carbon seatbase. It only costs $10 more than the fusion seatcover.

The top part of the seat actually looks like the same leathery material as on the KH seats, not the fabric thats seen on the cheaper velos.

And these are the first KH style coloured handles I've seen.

Ken

[Rowan]

Originally posted by GizmoDuck
NZ Unicylists-

Just looking through the unicycleshop website. This looks good value. I've not seen this variation of the KH seat- more Kevlar has got to be a good thing, and it's only $60.

Ken, the reason you have not seen this variation of a KH seat is because it is not a KH seat, is an inferior mockery of one. What are you even doing browsing the unicycleshop website? They are the competition and they sell inferior products at low prices to tempt unsuspecting prospective unicyclists into getting something that will break before it should. The seller, Dallis, is involved in treacherous dealings on Trademe.co.nz that pretend to be cheaper than normal but turn out to be the same price as his website products. You should be ashamed of yourself for even considering to buy something from the enemy! Support Unicycle.co.nz even if their KH seats leave something to be desired and cost a bit more. Luckily no one I know in NZ is a unicylist.

[GizmoDuck]

Originally posted by Rowan
Ken, the reason you have not seen this variation of a KH seat is because it is not a KH seat, is an inferior mockery of one. What are you even doing browsing the unicycleshop website? They are the competition and they sell inferior products at low prices to tempt unsuspecting prospective unicyclists into getting something that will break before it should. The seller, Dallis, is involved in treacherous dealings on Trademe.co.nz that pretend to be cheaper than normal but turn out to be the same price as his website products. You should be ashamed of yourself for even considering to buy something from the enemy! Support Unicycle.co.nz even if their KH seats leave something to be desired and cost a bit more. Luckily no one I know in NZ is a unicylist.

Competition is a good thing. Have you tried the seat? If it is inferior you get what you pay for, which is less than a KH seat. If you haven't tried it then that's not a valid statement.

As for supporting the enemy- them harsh words. Do you know how much I spent at Unicycle.com NZ this year?

Ken

[Rowan]

Originally posted by GizmoDuck
Competition is a good thing. Have you tried the seat? If it is inferior you get what you pay for, which is less than a KH seat. If you haven't tried it then that's not a valid statement.

As for supporting the enemy- them harsh words. Do you know how much I spent at Unicycle.com NZ this year?

I haven't tried the seat and yet I am bold enough to make that comment and stand by it as if it were valid. I made my comment judging by their other products which I know are almost useless apart from maybe putting in the garage for show. Think of Dallis as a Taliban terrorist (the enemy) and you will understand my prejudice against him trying to poison the market with his time-bomb axle unicycles. I don't want other learner unicyclists to suffer the same disappointment that I experienced when my unicycle axle snapped, which is why I caution them against purchasing the cheaper ones without the hub upgrade. Competition is a good thing, but supporting the competition isn't neccessarily good. I don't know how much you have spent at unicycle.com but I am sure it's more than me- good on ya! I spent over $4000 on unicycle + parts last year and have very little to show for it after Dallis, overcome by jealousy, sent his henchmen in to remove the Wilder from my possession for studying purposes . I know that there is a good reason for Unicycle.co.nz charging $500ish for their 29ers while Dallis charges $110 for a 28", and it's the old choice between quality and quantity. It is quite funny how he is confident enough to put "UNIcycle Shop NZ - The best online unicycle shop" when it is so obvious that it's not.

Anyway, back to seats. I bet those seats are crap without even trying one. I reckon keep supporting the Kris Holm brand so he can develop them further. The idea of having no seam going down the front bit might be a good idea though cos that is a place where it rubs on your leg.