Moved: Unicyclists for Bush / Cheney

[JJuggle]

Originally posted by john_childs
You say you're not the one who brought up politics and then you go on and feel the moral obligation to turn this into a political debate. This did not start out as a political debate and never would have turned into a political debate if you and gerblefranklin and now steveyo hadn't felt the moral obligation to turn it into one.

Take it to Just Conversation if you feel the need.

John, where's your initiative?

Original Thread

Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

[jagur]

this will never work

[zod]

Do we really need another thread......we already have the big, fat "Bush, Kerry, Other" thread

[zod]

hahaha, I like Nadar too Jagur, he's crazy! I like them nutty candidates.... like Perot

[john_childs]

Originally posted by JJuggle
John, where's your initiative?

I already pointed ken and the others to a thread over here. They're the ones who need to take the initiative if they wish to carry it on.

I made zero political comments in that thread yet the angry left felt the moral obligation to take pot shots at every opportunity. I saw no inappropriate comments for anyone on the right in that thread despite the egging on.

[JJuggle]

Originally posted by john_childs

I already pointed ken and the others to a thread over here. They're the ones who need to take the initiative if they wish to carry it on.

I made zero political comments in that thread yet the angry left felt the moral obligation to take pot shots at every opportunity. I saw no inappropriate comments for anyone on the right in that thread despite the egging on.

If you are saying that the thread itself despite its connection to unicycling wasn't political to begin with and as such belongs here in JC, then I respectfully disagree.

Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

[Tim]

Originally posted by john_childs
I made zero political comments in that thread yet the angry left felt the moral obligation to take pot shots at every opportunity. I saw no inappropriate comments for anyone on the right in that thread despite the egging on.

Its these kids that their parents drill left wing ideas into their brains.

I'm for Bush because he is for more of what I believe in, pro-life, rights to bear arms and more but I dont feel like listing them all.

I wont say all that Bush did was right or wrong. I just know that Kerry would be worse.

Great picture by the way I'm going to print it and laminate it.

[mscalisi]

John,

You may not have made a political comment directly, but you implied approval of the graphic, which IS a political statement.

Really, if the graphic had been for Kerry instead of Bush, the exacty same scenario would have played itself out.

There are people that feel very very stongly about the current political climate. Posting the original graphic was in poor taste and was clearly an invitation for political discussion. I would feel the same way if it was pro-Kerry. I respect your opinions on this board and I don't mean this as an attack on you, but I felt it was important to state my view on this.

Mike

Originally posted by john_childs

I already pointed ken and the others to a thread over here. They're the ones who need to take the initiative if they wish to carry it on.

I made zero political comments in that thread yet the angry left felt the moral obligation to take pot shots at every opportunity. I saw no inappropriate comments for anyone on the right in that thread despite the egging on.

[Tim]

Originally posted by mscalisi
Really, if the graphic had been for Kerry instead of Bush, the exacty same scenario would have played itself out.

Oh contraire, I'm sure that John would not have nor myself.

The republicant convention had thousands of protesters while the demicratic had a large zero.

[mscalisi]

Perhaps you may not have. There were many non-republicans who demonstrated restraint on the original post as well.

Honestly though, do you really think if someone posted a Pro-Kerry message on RSU that there would be no backlash?

Originally posted by Tim
Oh contraire, I'm sure that John would not have nor myself.

The republicant convention had thousands of protesters while the demicratic had a large zero.

[steveyo]

Originally posted by Tim
Its these kids that their parents drill left wing ideas into their brains.

Who's a kid? I'm 41 and I think (by my own judgements, not those of my parents) that Bush is the worst pres ever.

I'm for Bush because he is for more of what I believe in, pro-life, rights to bear arms

On these issues we disagree, but IMO they're valid reasons to prefer Bush.

I wont say all that Bush did was right or wrong. I just know that Kerry would be worse.

How do you know?

One example of why I disagree with you on this:

Kerry's an environmentalist with true knowledge and judgement of global warming and pollution issues. Compared to Bush's pulling out of international environmental treaties and siding with industrial campaign donors on each and every environmental issue, I find Kerry vastly preferable.

[TheObieOne3226]

You'll have to excuse my abruptness on this issue.


Why doesn't everyone just shut the hell up??? Everyone. In my opinion, everyone should just vote for whoever they think would make the best president. And that comes down to simple personal preference when it comes to policies and issues.

Everyone here feels it is their god given DUTY to tell everyone how to vote and to make sure eveyone else votes the same way. Why doesn't everyone go down to their local polling place and cast their SECRET ballot for whoever.

If you want to show your support for a candidate and get some feeling of belonging, go to a convention or join a club. Don't rant about it in a UNICYCLING forum. I don't want to hear your opinions. At least not in this medium.

I'm going to vote. And I'm not going to tell you for whom. That is information I don't feel the need or desire to share. Nothing you can say is going to make me change the way I will vote. I'm pretty sure it's the same way for most of you, as you seem either strongly republican or democrat. So why tell people who don't want to hear your side about how bad theirs is and good yours is? To start an argument that clogs an already aging forum?

I can see why some people would be offended by the image, though, as, obviously, not ALL unicyclists support Bush. But a little tolerance for such things by BOTH sides would help us all out a lot.

So, please (I doubt this will work, as things seem to have already elevated too far), just go vote privately and leave people like myself who just want to see a clean forum out of this.

I'll give you five dollars.

[zod]

good stuff Obie

[JJuggle]

Originally posted by zod
good stuff Obie

Yes, debate and open dialog are surely the worst things possible for promoting the democratic process.

Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

[TheObieOne3226]

Originally posted by JJuggle
Yes, debate and open dialog are surely the worst things possible for promoting the democratic process.

Raphael Lasar
Matawan, NJ

And so is childish sarcasm.


Edit: Firstly, i do not believe that promoting the democratic process was anywhere in this forum's mission statement.

I don't mind if you do all the things i described negatively above in 1 or 2 threads in JC, but when it starts getting into the double digits and entering RSU (not to mention snippets spilling over into countless other threads), I begin to become bothered by it. I am surely not the only person who feels this way.