Is there a diff. btwn the KH pro and KH 24" frames?

[noodle]

All I can tell is that the pro has a powdercoat and the regular KH does not. $190 for a POWDERCOAT!!!! There has to be another difference that I am missing. Any info?


noodle

[john_childs]

Originally posted by noodle
All I can tell is that the pro has a powdercoat and the regular KH does not. $190 for a POWDERCOAT!!!! There has to be another difference that I am missing. Any info?


noodle

The differences that I can think of from the top of my head:
The KH Pro is made in Canada, The KH is made in Taiwan
The bearing caps are slightly different on the two frames
The KH Pro costs more

But the big difference is that the KH (Taiwan) has bearing caps to fit a 42 mm OD bearing. The KH Pro has bearing caps to fit 1-5/8" OD bearings for the Profile hub. The KH (Taiwan) frame is designed for the Kris Holm hub and the KH Pro is designed for the Profile hub.

[rhysling]

There is also a difference is crown-over-tyre height.

-C

[Frank A.]

The KH 24 model does indeed have a powdwercoat finish. The main difference is that the Pro model was handmade in North America. The new KH is made in Taiwan. That fact alone greatly impacts the cost.
Other differences:
The New model bearing holders are a bit different and are sized for a 42mm bearing.
The new model is available now. The Pro model is not.
I own a KH24 and am very happy with it. I have never ridden the Pro frame so I cannot say if it is a better ride or not.

[Frank A.]

Obviously, while I was typing, others answered. (I'm a slow typist)

[noodle]

Ahhhhhhh! I see!

Thanks,

noodle

[noodle]

I spoke to John at Uni.com and he told me about a sleeve or a shim for the bearings since 42mm wasn't standard, or at least they don't carry them. Now, why would someone design a uni that couldn't take regular bearings without an extra doodad to make them fit? Doesn't make sense at all. It sounds like a design flaw. Unless someone knows of a source for 42mm bearings of course.


noodle

[johnfoss]

Originally posted by Frank A.
The main difference is that the Pro model was handmade in North America. The new KH is made in Taiwan. That fact alone greatly impacts the cost.

That fact alone would account for a cost difference, but not such a huge one. The main difference between these two is that the North American frames are *hand made* in small batches, and the Taiwan frames are *factory made* in large batches. I don't know how small or large, but it's the economy of scale that makes mass-produced things cheaper.

Origins:

KH24 Pro Series frame - Canada
Profile hub/crankset - USA (lifetime warranty)
Sun Doublewide rim - USA (has anyone ever taco'd one of these?)
Marwi stainless steel spokes - USA
Kovachi wheelbuilding services - USA
Pedals & Saddle - Taiwan

If you're breaking cranks and/or axles frequently, the Profile
components will save you money in the long run.

-John


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Frank A. wrote:
> *The main difference is that the Pro model was handmade in North
> America. The new KH is made in Taiwan. That fact alone greatly impacts
> the cost.*
That fact alone would account for a cost difference, but not such a
huge one. The main difference between these two is that the North
American frames are *hand made* in small batches, and the Taiwan frames
are *factory made* in large batches. I don't know how small or large,
but it's the economy of scale that makes mass-produced things cheaper.


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[evilewan]

Originally posted by noodle
I spoke to John at Uni.com and he told me about a sleeve or a shim for the bearings since 42mm wasn't standard, or at least they don't carry them. Now, why would someone design a uni that couldn't take regular bearings without an extra doodad to make them fit? Doesn't make sense at all. It sounds like a design flaw. Unless someone knows of a source for 42mm bearings of course.


noodle

http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/sho...m&pagenumber=2

evilewan wrote:

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> http://tinyurl.com/5skf


Since you've linked to Kris's response to my post, I would just like to
say that I have ordered a KH24 (tw) and I'm certain that I will be very
pleased with it. My concerns about parts availability have been
addressed on rsu. What I ordered was 'almost' stock. I have upgraded
the tire to a Gazz and bought a rail type seat adapter so I can tilt the
seat to my comfort. I did not purchase a break but may add one in the
future.



Cheers,

Jason

[evilewan]

since the newer kh unis (and the onza) have come out its become much cheaper to get into unicycle trials/street riding.
(that is, without having to change cranks every week)

this time last year i bought a nimbusii with an onza wheel setup and a suzue hub, the cranks/hub didn't last long and i ended up getting a profile hub.
and i got a reeder handle.
i wish it'd been so cheap to buy a decent trials uni when i started out.
i think i've probably spent over £600 ukp on my trials uni.
and i don't think i realy push it to the extent that i need a profile hub,(~rather than an onza or kh hub)
however it was all i could get at the time.

[john_childs]

Originally posted by evilewan


http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/sho...m&pagenumber=2

Cool! sounds like Kris has already managed to run the Taiwanese frame with a Profile hub.

I'm going to assume that he used the 1-5/8" Profile bearings with the soda can shims because that's what he has on his KH Pro. 1-5/8" is 41.275mm which will make for some very thin shims to fit the 42 mm bearing caps. Soda can shims are cheap and easy. Gotta like solutions like that.

If someone was planning on using Profiles with the Taiwanese KH frame I think using the 40mm Profile bearings and a thicker custom machined shim would be better. But it's hard to argue with the cheap and easy soda can shim solution.

Just don't use a Pepsi can or a cheap beer can for the shim. That's bad karma for the uni. Go with a Coke can.

[jagur]

Originally posted by john_childs
Just don't use a Pepsi can or a cheap beer can for the shim. That's bad karma for the uni. Go with a Coke can.

or Guiness

[john_childs]

Originally posted by jagur

or Guiness

A Guinness can would be a great shim. Very good karma. And the black can would go perfectly with the black frame. The best part is that you get to drink the contents before you can use the can as a shim.