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Old 2018-04-08, 07:49 AM   #1
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Naomi saddle problem

I've got 2 uni, 3 saddle and 1 handlebar:

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KH 29"
Huni-rex 26" fat

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Kh fusion one pivotal
Impact Naomi saddle
Huni-rex saddle (large saddle)

Handlebar:
homemade

Saddle height:
Road height (1" lower than my maximum reach)

Yesterday I did my first 1 hour ride. I rode KH 29er, no handlebar and the Naomi saddle... I still feel flames on my inner thights!!! Is it related to the wheel wobbling when I push fast? Is it related to the saddle height? Is it related to the saddle stiffness? How can I solve it?

I can add that the fusion one + handlebar is great: I feel like a king on his throne. And I cannot figure how to use the Naomi saddle... maybe is it light and used only for trials?
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Old 2018-04-08, 08:37 AM   #2
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I've never tested a Naomy saddle, but as i understand it, Impact is not a brand well known for long distance unicycling ....
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Old 2018-04-08, 11:14 AM   #3
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There are worse saddles than the Naomi. The Impact Athmos saddle. Basically it is the Naomi without as much padding.

Part of efficient riding is being able to sit. A good saddle is essential if you are going to sit for an hour.
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Old 2018-04-08, 12:18 PM   #4
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Does it make sense if I add padding? Maybe a bike gel saddle cover? Or it will enlarge the saddle base making the side wobbling more harmful? I can't understand if it is a hard surface sitting problem or a saddle friction
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Old 2018-04-08, 12:46 PM   #5
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I rode 80 something miles in a day on a Naomi saddle once, I used to love it until I did that!

The saddle is fairly thin (Compared to my Stadium, that's fairly deep on the sides) so you might just be clawing at your legs on the edges. Is your other saddle thinner than the Naomi (When looking at it from the top)? You might also be sitting ever so slightly more bow-legged on the stadium which if you're not used to it could be straining your thighs a bit.

Also bear in mind that because it's thinner (looking from the side) your height might be slightly off compared to your other saddle!
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Old 2018-04-08, 03:40 PM   #6
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I have done a 12 mile ride with the Naomi saddle on my 24". With padded bike shorts. There are no bar ends on that setup. I tend to ride as far back on the saddle as possible while keeping both hands pressing down on the grab handle. In this position, I'm best able to find my sit bones while taking a lot of weight off my seat, into my arms.

I weigh 210 lbs. My preference would be for the Naomi to be a little bit more firm. Since I'm concentrating my weight at the back corners of the saddle, the foam bottoms out a bit more than I prefer. Still, it's a very good saddle.

My favorite saddle is on my 26", a 1st-generation Stadium. Some people were discussing on the forum how Nimbus made the 1-gen Stadiums too hard, then softened them up in the second generation. I like a firmer saddle, however. Once my default riding position changed to two-hands-on-the-bar/saddle, a more firm saddle, closer to what we have on bicycles, became my preference.
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Old 2018-04-09, 03:13 PM   #7
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It's not just the padding. I have an old Miyata saddle on my 28 and I did my longest ever ride on it. It has virtually no padding but it's a nice shape.

You can reduce seat pain by adjusting the seat up or down, adjusting the tilt of the seat, using shorter cranks, adjusting your riding position, adding or changing your bars, or wearing padded shorts. The best solution of all, though, is to build up your endurance and learn to take your weight off the saddle from time to time.

There is another source of pain, and that is chafing, rather than weight/pressure. I find that wearing cycle shorts under longs allows the shorts to move with my legs within the longs. Talcum powder provides a good lubricant. The other thing, although a little inelegant, is to reach down inside the front with your hand and adjust everything into the most comfortable position.

I did 2 hours without a dismount a few days ago, somewhere over 20 miles including hills up and down, but nothing that required me to stand on the pedals for power. By the end, the soft tissue around my sit bones knew I'd done it, but the point is, it was possible. That was on a KH Freeride.

I have done 2 x 1 hour bicycle rides today and was no more comfortable at the end than I would have been after 2 x 1 hour unicycle rides.
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Old 2018-04-11, 08:38 AM   #8
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I can add that the fusion one + handlebar is great: I feel like a king on his throne. And I cannot figure how to use the Naomi saddle... maybe is it light and used only for trials?
I have a Naomi for my commuter/touring unicycle and it works fine. It's probably the best curved unicycle seat for distance, and beats most of the overstuffed unicycle seats out there. I had it on the SINZ II Unicycle tour, and also ride it to work and back (46km) each day.

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Old 2018-04-11, 07:23 PM   #9
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As you all say... I'm going to try it in different settings
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Old 2018-04-14, 08:41 PM   #10
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10 mile ride today:
Saddle with the front part tilted as low as possible, lightly padded shorts... During the fist part of the ride no issue at all. It seems again the best saddle I've ever ridden.
In the afternoon I was completely tired and was riding quickly back to the car to drive and pick up my family where I left them... than the saddle become again an evil torture...
I analyzed it: when I was done and can't ride well due to tiredness I feel like I was sitting better in the saddle: cannot push strong on pedals anymore, so my back was heavy on the saddle... I unicycle better when tired! But than again heavy saddle problem till I reached the car.

The answer is: when I ride too heavy on the saddle than it hurt me. When riding with a bit of weight on the pedals, like I do on gravel or low grass than I can ride for hours without any pain in my back (but fatiguing my legs!)
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Old 2018-04-15, 12:37 AM   #11
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Saddle with the front part tilted as low as possible
If you tilt the front part of the seat down to avoid coming into contact with it, you may end up sliding forward toward the front. If the nose/front of the seat is tilted up, that may make you more likely to stay on the wider back on the saddle. Can you explain your reasoning for tilting the front of the saddle down?
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Old 2018-04-15, 07:02 AM   #12
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I think: front up= sit in the back but lot of chafing.
front down= sit in the middle if you don't push on the handle, less chafing

When front part is tilted down it requires me several adjustments on pedals and saddle to sit comfortably in the back. Otherwise I sit completely on my crotch.

That is a reason to explain why I hurt myself when tired: too mu h weight in the saddle, but I end up sitting towards the front. Maybe I should tilt a little up the front when tired

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Old 2018-04-15, 02:33 PM   #13
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When front part is tilted down it requires me several adjustments on pedals and saddle to sit comfortably in the back. Otherwise I sit completely on my crotch.
Thanks for explaining. I also have the nose tilted down for XC riding. This raises up the back on the saddle, and I'm able to engage my sit bones with the raised back corners of the saddle. I'm able to stabilize myself in this position with the bar ends. Without the help of my hands, I would slide onto the narrow part of the seat.
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Old 2018-04-15, 03:50 PM   #14
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I'm a fan of the nose being tilted up.

Sounds like you might too just maybe with some conditioning.
Try nose up for a whole week.

On a hour+ ride, 99% of riders would be sore on any new seat without conditioning.

Or... be done with it and get another throne. (fusion one and bars)
I'm a Freeride fan on my two 29s (muni) but I'm going to give a Fusion One a chance on my new KH36.
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