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Old 2018-06-07, 11:53 AM   #1
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All brake related exercises

I need to improve my braking skill till I will be able to make a fast stop while travelling at a medium-high pace. I need it to ride my uni with my wife and my children using bikes in crowded bike paths.

So I wish we could build a manual of exercise to develop a unicyclist braking ability.

1) Applying brake during descent.
2) Braking while hopping. (Does it help making bigger hops?)
3) Braking during a dismount (started exercising today)
4)...
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Old 2018-06-07, 05:07 PM   #2
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You should check out this thread:
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=114830

Someone mentioned here - or maybe on the french forum - that the best way is to wear all the protections you own, including a padded backpack. Then you pick a place ideally with tarmac leading into grass. You go for it, riding hard, and a little before the grass part you let yourself fall backward. Then you use the brake to bring yourself back up. You will fall, several times, and on your back. But you have protection and grass for landing, so all fine. You'll get the hang of it pretty fast.

I have yet to do it...
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Old 2018-06-07, 07:00 PM   #3
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I have yet to do it...
Funny, don't you look forward to falling backwards on ur arse ^_^
Just like learning to ride a freewheel. I do hope to one time find the time again to practice things more. Now with a young kid in my life that needs a lot of attention, I only manage to ride once a week, and then prefer to ride at least 20km instead of practicing tricks. I do try some hops along the way.
Being able to brake abruptly seems like a nice skill to have.
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Old 2018-06-07, 09:54 PM   #4
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I have yet to do it...

Why do I have pictured in my mind myself not falling backwards but rather leaning way back, grabbing a handful of brake at the edge of pavement and being catapulted over the top across the grass? Guess I know my limitations. :-)
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Old 2018-06-07, 11:13 PM   #5
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I would not use during static hopping, maybe a bit for petal position on downhill rolling hops, but generally not.

They are useful when mounting on a steep downhill.


Don't do exercises that make you scared of the brake. Start with gentle use with light pressure and work your way up to more intensive use.
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Old 2018-06-08, 10:07 AM   #6
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No reason to use a brake for hops, unless it's when landing drops on a steep landing. But I would consider that a pretty advanced technique (but not as scary as most people here probably think).

To learn how to use the brake, I recommend gently pulling it on a nice downhill (smooth terrain). Try and get a feel for how much you need to lean back to compensate for the braking, while having the brake engaged at one constant point. Do that a lot, until you are not surprised by the effects of the brake anymore.

Now, play around with the brake on those downhills, to find out what happens when you pull it harder/open it up. You can try and figure out how to use it to slow down your pace, and how to open it up and go faster.

Once you are comfortable with modulating your speed with the brake, try and use it to get to a full stop. Don't try to stop a 36" at full speed on a dime, just use it to slow down instead of your legs, and after a while, it will feel natural and enable you to slow down faster than you could with just your legs.

You will likely experience a few falls during practice, and that's perfectly normal. The brake isn't as much of a mystery as people think on here. You just need to learn brake feel. Basically your finger needs to learn when to pull harder, and when to open the brake up, while your body needs to learn how to anticipate the effects of pulling the brake. (You can't really isolate those parts however during normal riding).
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Old 2018-06-08, 11:14 AM   #7
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I would not use during static hopping, maybe a bit for petal position on downhill rolling hops, but generally not.

They are useful when mounting on a steep downhill.


Don't do exercises that make you scared of the brake. Start with gentle use with light pressure and work your way up to more intensive use.
I cannot make scaring exercises! I train during work lunchtime break everyday. I cannot enter office with scars or bleeding... so I wear all protective gears that exist (heard a woman saying... "Are you heavy armored because of a war?") and don't try difficult stuff...even if I
make a superman flight twice a month.

So I'll start with gentle brake exercise
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Old 2018-06-08, 01:16 PM   #8
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I'm still not 100% comfortable with my brake, I think living without one for so long has burnt in some strong habits so when I do use it I tend to over-compensate with my legs and go flying

Did an exceptionally hilly ride a few weeks ago though and made pretty good use of it. I started holding the brake before I hit the hill, so I was sort of pushing against it with my pedals, then once I was going down the hill it just felt a little smoother. I still can't stop dead with it though.

What wheelsize are you using? Is a brake really necessary for dodging walking zombies and dogs on a shared use path?
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Old 2018-06-08, 10:14 PM   #9
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Funny, don't you look forward to falling backwards on ur arse ^_^
Just like learning to ride a freewheel. I do hope to one time find the time again to practice things more. Now with a young kid in my life that needs a lot of attention, I only manage to ride once a week, and then prefer to ride at least 20km instead of practicing tricks. I do try some hops along the way.
Being able to brake abruptly seems like a nice skill to have.
Wow - 20k? That's pretty awesome dude. Let us know when you introduce your kid to unicycling. Let's see if he can continue the tradition
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Old 2018-06-08, 11:29 PM   #10
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What wheelsize are you using? Is a brake really necessary for dodging walking zombies and dogs on a shared use path?
With the 29er I cannot make a sudden stop (less than 2 metres) unless going slow (I've set the saddle with the nose down an I'm always falling in front: I'm training at fast riding)

With the fixed G26+ (this month will make first attemp to have it pedal assisted!) it is impossible to brake quickly using only legs!

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Old 2018-06-09, 04:52 AM   #11
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...I wear all protective gears that exist ... and don't try difficult stuff...even if I make a superman flight twice a month.
If your pads are black, you can pretend it's Batman vs. Superman.
(In any other movie they would figure out how to have a conversation instead of fighting -- and Batman wouldn't have a chance)

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With the 29er I cannot make a sudden stop (less than 2 metres) unless going slow
As with a car, usually the best way to avoid a collision is not by braking, but turning. Even with a big wheel, if you practice for it, you can change direction very quickly.
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Old 2018-06-09, 03:28 PM   #12
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As with a car, usually the best way to avoid a collision is not by braking, but turning. Even with a big wheel, if you practice for it, you can change direction very quickly.
That's actually very good advice. Its prolly easier than an abrupr brake and staying on. When riding with some unicyclists some months ago, I needed to make some abrupt halts, which meant jumping off because the guy in front of me UPD'd. Maybe with a sharp turn I can keep going next time.
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Old 2018-06-09, 05:13 PM   #13
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With the 29er I cannot make a sudden stop (less than 2 metres) unless going slow
A unicycle will never be able to do a bicycle-style panic stop - physics is against us.

On a bike, my center of gravity is well behind the front wheel, and I can instantly grab the brake hard while sliding my weight even farther back.

On a unicycle I start with my center of gravity directly over the wheel, and I literally can't brake - I have to get the wheel in front of me before I can begin. I have to speed up to slow down! And on a big wheel, with short cranks, it's going to take a while.
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A unicycle will never be able to do a bicycle-style panic stop - physics is against us.

On a bike, my center of gravity is well behind the front wheel, and I can instantly grab the brake hard while sliding my weight even farther back.

On a unicycle I start with my center of gravity directly over the wheel, and I literally can't brake - I have to get the wheel in front of me before I can begin. I have to speed up to slow down! And on a big wheel, with short cranks, it's going to take a while.
However I must learn. I did 12km runners' race today. I dribbled a lot of runners but we were about 200 people on a narrow path and 4 steep down and uphill... I cannot idle, nor ride too much slow. I must master unicycle brake skill
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Old 2018-06-10, 07:27 AM   #15
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A brake will help you slow down, but not ride slow. Riding slow is a different skill.
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