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Old 2013-02-24, 02:11 AM   #1
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Why Magura rim brakes?

Yes I know rim brakes are old-fashioned, but I want to put a brake on my first genration (square-taper) schlumpf, so it appears rim brakes are my only option. Just wondering why Maguras are so ubiquitous on unis? I appreciate that most unis have Magura mounts, but why do they have those rather than V-brake/canti mounts?

My original Schlumpf frame has V/canti mounts, and I have V-brakes in my parts bin I could fit, but wondered whether there was any reason this would be a bad idea?
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Magura rim brakes, specifically HS-33, are still popular, mostly among MUni riders, myself included. If properly adjusted and maintained, they are excellent brakes and have tremendous stopping power. The brake lever can be very precisely modulated to achieve just the right amount of pressure for the given situation. The pads last a long time, are very easy to replace, and can be mounted on any uni with brake bosses and a machined rim, or even non-machined. They can be less effective in wet weather and if the wheel gets out of true, the brake can rub intermittently.

Disc brakes on unicycles are a relatively new thing, and some people prefer them over the rim brake. The disc isn't generally affected by wet weather, but they can tend to squeak and in some cases "pull" to one side. You can run the KH (outboard) disc brake system on pretty much any uni (with ISIS drive) including Schlumpf, since a disc-specific hub is not required. You would need to purchase the KH Spirt [disc] cranks, a KH frame with disc mount, or D-brake can be adjusted to work as well.
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Old 2013-02-24, 03:09 AM   #3
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I agree terry, also they were the best back on the day
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Old 2013-02-24, 03:12 AM   #4
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Magura's are nice for big tires because they can have as much clearance as you like; the brake cable runs into tall tires with v-brakes.

But if they fit, v's work great, I use a set of old XTRs on my 29" with a 2.4" Ardent tire. The very short cable run eliminates most of the usual advantage of the Maggies, which is that the hydraulic line doesn't have the stretching/friction problems that long cable runs have.

Here's a thread that talks about how to mount them.
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Old 2013-02-24, 03:48 AM   #5
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My original Schlumpf frame has V/canti mounts, and I have V-brakes in my parts bin I could fit, but wondered whether there was any reason this would be a bad idea?
There isn't, use them.
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Old 2013-02-24, 04:00 AM   #6
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Terry said it best. Of my three (see auto-signature) unicycles, only my 36er has Magura rim brakes. I fell in love with the smooth modulation of disc brakes on my Nimbus Impulse 36er (sold) so the 26" Oracle (almost bit at an Oregon) was a no brainer for my first MUni. Then Kris released the Spirit cranks so I got a KH29 (the most "fun to ride" off-road unicycle in my stable) so I have experienced both inboard and outboard disc brakes.

My 36er is equipped with a geared Schlumpf hub. Bronson Silva's build of my speed demon predates the advent of Spirit cranks so it has Magura rim brakes. The Stealth 2 rim has one spot (where one part is attached to another) that makes a little noise (just enough to let you know it's working) when the brake is gently (using the real Spooner instead of the StarFighter on my other two) deployed to relieve pressure on these old knees downhill. Is it as smooth as my Impulse? No. But I can live with it rather than risk any complications (I could buy a new frame, I've already got 137/110mm Spirit cranks) of a disc brake with my precious Schlumpf hub.
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Old 2013-02-24, 07:54 AM   #7
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Maguras

I know that the disc revolution is upon us, but hydro rim brakes are great performers and can be mounted on most unicycles in about 20 min.

Though it might not be news to many of you, See my brake post in the trading post if you are interested in magura rim brakes. . . . Cause I do have like . . Lots of rim brake options here or you, new, used, parts or just bleeding help.

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Old 2013-02-24, 09:02 AM   #8
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A correctly set up V will own a disc or magura any day of the week, especially with such a short cable pull as well, but like has been said you can get problems if the wheel is out of true. If you've got the brakes available though stick a set on!
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Old 2013-02-24, 01:08 PM   #9
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Magura rim brakes, specifically HS-33, are still popular, mostly among MUni riders, myself included. If properly adjusted and maintained, they are excellent brakes and have tremendous stopping power. The brake lever can be very precisely modulated to achieve just the right amount of pressure for the given situation. The pads last a long time, are very easy to replace, and can be mounted on any uni with brake bosses and a machined rim, or even non-machined. They can be less effective in wet weather and if the wheel gets out of true, the brake can rub intermittently.

Disc brakes on unicycles are a relatively new thing, and some people prefer them over the rim brake. The disc isn't generally affected by wet weather, but they can tend to squeak and in some cases "pull" to one side. You can run the KH (outboard) disc brake system on pretty much any uni (with ISIS drive) including Schlumpf, since a disc-specific hub is not required. You would need to purchase the KH Spirt [disc] cranks, a KH frame with disc mount, or D-brake can be adjusted to work as well.
He has square taper cranks, cant use isis spirt cranks
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Old 2013-02-24, 01:58 PM   #10
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Maguras are still plenty good, I'd like to try a disk brake just so I can feel the difference but I know that my magura does the job. Even if they're old, it doesn't mean they're bad. I'm still riding the same brake I bought from Brycer1968 three years ago.

Also, I have a huge dent/6"long flatspot on my rim, I got used to it

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Old 2013-02-24, 02:25 PM   #11
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Kinda with the rim out of true thing, I keep my rim super true so it kinda helps keep all my stuff up kept nice
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Old 2013-02-24, 03:21 PM   #12
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Original Question: Why Maggies?
If you look back through the forum it is pretty clear that Maggies became the standard as the tires for MUni got wide enough to make caliper brakes useless. Once the tire hits the caliper, or wire you're done.

Maggie's are great brakes, but not without problems.

On my Nightrider frame I had maggies and found that I couldn't get them far enough away from the rm to eliminate brake drag during mounting on a grade. The Nightrider is a pretty flexy frame, and when you are mounting uphill it's really hard to mount without having the maggie stop the wheel. It did teach me to do a better rolling mount.

I then went to V's, and they were really nice. Super easy to adjust the gap so that my rim didn't rub. A benefit I wasn't planning was that they didn't stick out from the frame as much as maggies. They were pretty grabby when I first set them up, but after toeing in the pads a bit more than normal I had really nice, quiet, modulation. I prefer V's to Maggies if I can swing it. I still have Maggies on my MUni due to the tire volume issue. I have started running a narrower tire, so maybe V's will work on that, but for now I think the Maggies will stay.

I then went to a disc brake on the 36 (square taper crank mounted disc). The disc was the best of the lot. Frame flex is a non issue. The brake has such a small rotor that modulation is king. If you think about it a rim with a standard brake is pretty much a really large rotor, by making a smaller hub mounted rotor you don't get nearly the leverage, so much better modulation. I really only use the brake for long sustained descents, so I had the caliper hooked up to a shift lever to use as a drag brake. If you can find a cable disc caliper that will work inside the tight clearances on a uni it is a nice way to go.
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Old 2013-02-24, 03:48 PM   #13
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He has square taper cranks, cant use isis spirt cranks
Exactly - no way I can use disc brakes. Even if there was a way to fit them to my hub/cranks, I have an original Schlumpf frame with non-standard bearing holders so I couldn't fit a D'brake (and before anybody suggests getting a new frame, the hub has non-standard ~90mm bearing spacing!)

OK, so clearly I phrased my subject ambiguously - I wasn't wondering why Magura rim brakes rather than discs, I was wondering why Maguras if you were using rim brakes. Thanks to all those who've answered the question I was trying to ask - this is going to be a road uni, or if I take it off-road I won't be fitting a huge tyre, so no problems with clearance, so I'll fit the V-brakes I have then. As mentioned, the frame comes with V-brake mounts rather than Magura mounts so not even any need for adapters.

The only remaining issue is that it currently has a disc only rim, so I need to find a 36h 29er rim which can be used with rim brakes (well that or upgrade to a bigger rim, but I don't think I'm ready for a guni 36er yet - maybe a 32 if anybody has a spare or knows how to get one cheap in the UK?) I don't think the standard uni rims will work as they're all a bit wide to work with the brakes - the spacing between the brake mounts is only a few mm wider than on my bikes - though I'd prefer a narrower lighter rim anyway.
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Old 2013-02-24, 04:00 PM   #14
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Loads of MTB 29er rims on chainreaction in 32h, not sure if they'd be strong enough though
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Old 2013-02-24, 04:32 PM   #15
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Loads of disk brake 29er rims you mean. Anyway, as stated I need 36h to go with a Schlumpf.
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