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Old 2018-08-18, 07:15 AM   #31
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I've not ridden on personally but I have a 19" and a 27.5" all I can say is that each of these has its virtues. I enjoy the large wheel for cruising around town but I still find the flickability of the small wheel to be very much fun. Also, when riding in pedestrian-heavy areas, or even in shopping malls (basically places where bikes are not allowed), I find the small wheel never gets looks of disapproval whereas the large wheel definitely would make some people feel uncomfortable. Smaller wheels are also much easier to carry on public transport without raising red flags. I think 24" is a happy middle ground between 19" and 27.5".
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Old 2018-08-18, 07:08 PM   #32
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[B]My formative years of unicycling were on 24" regular unis and 6' tall giraffes. The 24" was the do-everything unicycle, great for tricks, and fun to ride fast on because you could usually run out of crashes at even your highest speeds.

What do I think about that wheel size?
I love the way it rides; that it's great for cruising around while not being too big to stash easily in the car (or in a wide enough suitcase). I guess I also love how it connects me to my earliest days of unicycling, and all those uni competitions back in the day where I won lots of races. In many ways I think it's the best wheel size for just riding around on, or going short distances.

Notice I'm not mentioning 24" Muni wheels here. I have one, on my trusty old Wilder. But it's not really a 24" wheel; it's almost 26". An actual 24" wheel would be a bit small for trails, IMHO. Now I have an even bigger 26" KH Muni. That tire is probably about 28.5". Nothing wrong with that either. But if you want to make an easy trail harder to ride, try it on a 24x1.75" uni with 60 pounds of pressure in the tire (you have to use that much, or risk pinch flats on the rocks). It's great, challenging fun!
Thank John for that write-up. It was a fun read.

It was also nice to read a reaffirmation that my choice for a first unicycle of a 24 incher should bring me plenty of joy.

Mine is a muni, and the tire pressure says 15 to 35 PSI, so I went with a rule of thumb I saw of 1 PSI per 10 lbs of bodyweight and put it at 22 PSI for my 220.

It's the Nimbus Oracle with a fat tire, so hopefully I find it does well on trails even though it's not a big uni. At any rate, learning with a bigger uni than 24 when everyone seemed to recommend learning on a 20 struck me as maybe a bad idea, and I've seen others say 24 is great and understand Kris Holm did a ton of his stuff on a 24 too, so ...

... anyway it's nice to see people seeming to confirm that I'll be giving the wheel plenty of use once I learn it.
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Old 2018-08-18, 07:38 PM   #33
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I've not ridden on personally but I have a 19" and a 27.5" all I can say is that each of these has its virtues. I enjoy the large wheel for cruising around town but I still find the flickability of the small wheel to be very much fun. Also, when riding in pedestrian-heavy areas, or even in shopping malls (basically places where bikes are not allowed), I find the small wheel never gets looks of disapproval whereas the large wheel definitely would make some people feel uncomfortable. Smaller wheels are also much easier to carry on public transport without raising red flags. I think 24" is a happy middle ground between 19" and 27.5".
I'd say the opposite. I consider 24" to be the unhappy medium between 20" and 26/27.5". Small enough to be pretty slow, and not really roll over a ton of stuff, while being to big and bulky for trials, or any serious kind of trick riding. I don't know of a single good Muni rider who looks at a section of trail and wishes he had a 24" instead of the 26/27.5" he is riding right now. Likewise, with few noteable exceptions, almost no one who does trials, freestyle, flat or street wishes for a bigger wheel.

For me, if you are not racing, there is absolutely no reason to buy a 24" if you already have a 26" or 27.5". I can see it being a good learner for taller adults. But if you are deciding between a 24" and a 26"/27.5" as a Muni after you learned to ride, I'd 100% recommend the bigger wheel for adults.
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Old 2018-08-18, 07:59 PM   #34
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I don't know of a single good Muni rider who looks at a section of trail and wishes he had a 24" instead of the 26/27.5" he is riding right now.
To the extent that riders get used to what they are using, then you are correct. Also, the chance of a pedal strikes increases when moving down to the 24" from the 26" or 27.5". My sense is that, if improvements in weight and strength of materials had not been made, more people would still be doing muni on 24" unicycles. Individual riding styles need to be taken into consideration, also, not just what competitive racers are doing. For example, I hope to be riding muni into my old age, but I'm not going to be "bombing" down hills. For a slower approach to technical terrain, I think a smaller wheel has some advantages.

But I agree with your general point, finnspin. I tend to think of my 26" as my muni (setup with bar ends for longer rides), rather than my 24", and when it comes to freestyle/street/trials tricks, the 20" seems optimal. But I still enjoy riding my 24".
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Old 2018-08-18, 08:33 PM   #35
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. Also, when riding in pedestrian-heavy areas, or even in shopping malls (basically places where bikes are not allowed), I find the small wheel never gets looks of disapproval whereas the large wheel definitely would make some people feel uncomfortable. Smaller wheels are also much easier to carry on public transport without raising red flags. I think 24" is a happy middle ground between 19" and 27.5".
I think that is a good point. I wouldn't really take my 19" to the mall, because it simply requires too much pedalling and I'd be sweaty in no-time. A 24" will be a bit more comfy and still small enough to cruise through town. I think with most uni's they are easy to transport, though the 32 and 36" are starting to take up a lot of space when inside a my car. I can easily have my family in the car and my 29" muni. I often think I should just always have a uni in the car and use it where I have to walk somewhere. Im lazy enough to just take the uni ^_^
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Old 2018-08-18, 09:13 PM   #36
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If you're buying it for historical reasons then make sure it has cottered cranks and an uncomfortable saddle!
I do have a few of those (meeting both criteria), but they just hang in my garage and are purely "historical" at this point. Except for my 45" wheel, which was made in 1982. Still going strong, in the occasional parade mostly, on its original hub!
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I enjoy the large wheel for cruising around town but I still find the flickability of the small wheel to be very much fun.
That's a great word, flickability. Perhaps the best one to describe why almost everybody uses 20" wheels for Freestyle. While you can use the extra mass & size of a 24" wheels to do some great spinny-type moves, the larger wheel makes anything "flicky" more difficult.
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Mine is a muni, and the tire pressure says 15 to 35 PSI, so I went with a rule of thumb I saw of 1 PSI per 10 lbs of bodyweight and put it at 22 PSI for my 220.
While that probably worked well for that wheel, don't think of it as a rule. The biggest variable in "correct" tire pressure is tire fatness. Generally, the skinner it is, the more pressure you need. Fat tires can use tiny amounts of pressure. In the end, you want to have a good quality of ride while keeping your rim off the ground on the bumps and/or drops.
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...and I've seen others say 24 is great and understand Kris Holm did a ton of his stuff on a 24 too
Yes, in his early videos you'll see Kris Holm riding a 24" Schwinn (and little to no safety gear). Then around was his old Muni as well. But by late 1998, when he attended his first Muni Weekend, he already had a custom made frame & axle that he was experimenting with. That was probably a 26" wheel.
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I don't know of a single good Muni rider who looks at a section of trail and wishes he had a 24" instead of the 26/27.5" he is riding right now.
That would include me. When I got my 24" Wilder in 2003, 24" wheelsets were generally stronger than what was available for 26", and I think it was a common size for Downhill (bike) racing. But that has obviously changed a lot since then. I love my 26" KH, and it's magical tire that's so much lighter than anything I had on the 24"!

I do consider 24" to be a good size for riding in crowds of people, and used to do it a lot. 20" is a little less obtrusive, but it's also slow.
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Old 2018-08-18, 10:26 PM   #37
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I don't know of a single good Muni rider who looks at a section of trail and wishes he had a 24" instead of the 26/27.5" he is riding right now.
I thought this bit from a review on a 24 would be interesting to bring up because I immediately thought of it when reading today's posts in this thread. It's just another viewpoint, I'm not putting it here to argue with you or anyone and am in no position to argue with anybody about uni's -- I only have the one and I can't even ride it yet! -- so please don't take it that way. Like I say, I just thought it was another interesting viewpoint.

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I thought that when I bought my 26 inch muni a while back that I would not need a 24 inch muni (sold mine shortly after getting a 26 inch). Well, both have their unique place in my opinion, moreso than I originally thought. The Nimbus 24 Oracle is unbeatable as far as a lightweight strong muni that is very responsive with very minimal effort put in, and inspires you to really get off the beaten path and be more playful. It also climbs unbelievably well. And somehow the rotation is really easy to manage for rolling drops off whatever comes. So for terrain that is a little beyond my ability that I want to work on, I would reach for the Oracle 24 with 140mm cranks in a heartbeat. And for stuff where I already know I can ride it no prob, and want a little more momentum and smoothness, I reach for the 26.
https://www.unicycle.com/nimbus-24-o...tain-unicycle/

Maybe I'm just a chicken -- in fact at this point I'm sure I am! -- but I especially took note of that last part where he says it's good for things that are beyond one's ability. I thought, Hey, everything's beyond my ability! So I think I picked a good learner, if nothing else. I'll ramp up the challenges when and if I get to be a decent rider. It sounds like a lot of people learn in stages, starting small ... or smallish, anyway. 24 is my small.

I also liked that he mentioned hill climbing again when he said, "has formidable climbing ability for steep uneven terrain." I live in a very hilly area and will need all the help I can get. Formidable is something I could use!

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Old 2018-08-18, 10:40 PM   #38
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While that probably worked well for that wheel, don't think of it as a rule. The biggest variable in "correct" tire pressure is tire fatness. Generally, the skinner it is, the more pressure you need. Fat tires can use tiny amounts of pressure. In the end, you want to have a good quality of ride while keeping your rim off the ground on the bumps and/or drops.
Thanks! It's going to be a good while until I figure out any kind of fine points on any of this. When I first got the uni out of the box, I think it was at 6 PSI, and even that felt firm. I'll get things figured out sooner or later.
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Old 2018-08-19, 12:45 AM   #39
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Mine is a muni, and the tire pressure says 15 to 35 PSI, so I went with a rule of thumb I saw of 1 PSI per 10 lbs of bodyweight and put it at 22 PSI for my 220.

It's the Nimbus Oracle with a fat tireÖ
I would have used a PM (private message) instead of jacking this thread but Dingfelder doesnít accept them.

Personally, Iíd prefer at least few a more psi unless Iím riding over BIG roots, rocks or drops and I weigh 65 lbs less than you. But then I also prefer stiff sidewalls and donít mind pushing a little extra weight around. Iíll usually run my fat tires around 28 psi when Iím doing timed events. I really dislike the tire folding under and will live with a more lively bouncing tire that increase the psi will deliver.

Many other unicyclist here like low pressure and light flimsy tires. You might become another one if thatís the thing you learn on and the only tire/psi you ever try.

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Old 2018-08-19, 01:23 AM   #40
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1psi/10lbs body weight was a rule of thumb I saw in the early/mid 2000s, it's a good starting point, and then figure out what works for you (I tend to go around 20psi on my 26" fatty and 24psi for my 24" muni).

I cut my muni teeth on a 24" Nimbus II/KH-Onza Frankenmuni. I replaced it a few years ago with a 26" Nimbus Oregon, but had to pull it out of retirement last summer when the Oregon frame cracked.

Oh. My. God. I had dearly missed it. With 165mm cranks, well, yes, I had to be more careful of pedal strikes on rocks, but the control and stability I had when hopping, the ability to go down hills even without a brake... I've missed it!

I'm taking the 24" with me on my Honeymoon next month, I thought about taking the 26", but between the size, the complexity of the hydraulic brake... I just want something simple and bomb proof. It's not the fastest, and it doesn't roll over everything a 26" does, but it's still pretty damn versatile
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I think that is a good point. I wouldn't really take my 19" to the mall, because it simply requires too much pedalling and I'd be sweaty in no-time. A 24" will be a bit more comfy and still small enough to cruise through townÖ ÖI often think I should just always have a uni in the car and use it where I have to walk somewhere. Im lazy enough to just take the uni ^_^
Just do it. Go ahead and get a good quality 24. I really like my KH24. I can always find a way to fit it in with luggage or camping gear even when the car is full. Still fun to walk the dog(s) or go slow with those walking.

And I must not do serious muni because I still find the KH24 more fun to ride my trails be it a little slower. Iíve without any hesitancy changed off stuff on my KH24 sliding and simi-controlled skidding down slopes others bypass. Not that I think youíll find much in that caliber in your home neighborhood.

My most enjoyable combination is a KH24 Schlumpf. In my opinion, steep downhills were put on this earth by design for the KH 24Ē Schlumpf in high gear! If anyone doesnít agree with me I venture to say they havenít tried it yet.

And if you donít like you 24 after trying one. Who real cares. It will find a spot to in your pile beside Woody and Buzz awaiting another day.

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I would have used a PM (private message) instead of jacking this thread but Dingfelder doesnít accept them.

Personally, Iíd prefer at least few a more psi unless Iím riding over BIG roots, rocks or drops and I weigh 65 lbs less than you. But then I also prefer stiff sidewalls and donít mind pushing a little extra weight around. Iíll usually run my fat tires around 28 psi when Iím doing timed events. I really dislike the tire folding under and will live with a more lively bouncing tire that increase the psi will deliver.

Many other unicyclist here like low pressure and light flimsy tires. You might become another one if thatís the thing you learn on and the only tire/psi you ever try.

JM
Thanks, I will keep that in mind. I don't know what I'm doing yet so I'm just trying to take in what everybody's saying. I appreciate the heads up.

Re the PMs, I didn't know I couldn't accept them. I'll fix that in my profile or whatever.
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Saddle? Luxury! When I were your age we had a brick on a stick and were glad to 'ave that.
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Once upon a time... It's great, challenging fun!
Great post, John.

All the things we're told we need these days, but it was just as much fun back then.

I still enjoy the odd ride on my skinny 700c because it makes an easy trail challenging.

And I remember happy times scooting about like a lunatic on a skinny 24 with silly short cranks.

I sometimes think unicycling has got too serious.

On the tyre pressure thing, I seem to be very much in a minority. I keep trying these low pressures (20 Ė 30 psi) on my muni every so often and don't really like it. I probably lose out on being able to drop off things without being catapulted into orbit, but I just like a wheel that rolls. Then again, I'm mainly riding mixed surfaces of road, gravel, mud and grass, rather than rocks because that's all we have.
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I'm taking the 24" with me on my Honeymoon next month...
It's been more than 24 hours since this was posted and nobody's made any snide remarks?

Unicycle on honeymoon: Proceed with extreme caution!bb
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