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Old 2008-11-01, 04:32 PM   #1
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I myself do beileve in God however, I don't change my life as other people do. I don't go to church or anything like that so if there was proven no God then i wouldn't really live differently. :P

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Old 2008-11-01, 04:39 PM   #2
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To the atheists: If God were proven to exist, would you live your life differently? What would you think? How would you feel? Would you like it? Would you pray? Go to church? Would you ask God why he can be such a shit at times? Would you demand that he answer to his crimes against humanity or would you try to love this seemingly demonic, egotistical entity (remember all the OT smiting, wrath, and flooding, not to mention homophobia and anger problems quite unbecoming of a supreme being)?
I think even if it was proved that there was a god, I would continue not to believe in it... It's been fine so far so why change?
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Old 2008-11-01, 05:02 PM   #3
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I myself do beileve in God however, I don't change my life as other people do. I don't go to church or anything like that so if there was proven no God then i wouldn't really live differently. :P

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No, Billy. You can't fool God. You have to love him and accept him into your heart. But you can't dictate emotions, can you? You can't be coerced into a feeling. Hence the reprehensible problem -- be a genuine subservient, ass-kisser (a.k.a. worshipper) or be damned forever by this supposedly "all-loving" tyrant of a God.
Dave,

You happen to be offering the "born-again" method.

Catholics and most Protestants just have to show up, and try to stay awake, and might feel free to offer critical comments on the sermon if they listened to it.

There's a poem "Guest House" by Rumi, that probably expresses one's relationship to an all-giving GOD. Ever read it?

Why is it Atheists put tyrants in power over the people, and construct GOD as a tyrant?

Tyrants cannot respect sincere love. No one loves a tyrant. I can see how some who experience GOD this way might resolve the double-bind by denying GOD. I have complete empathy for that maneuver, seeing it their way.

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I think even if it was proved that there was a god, I would continue not to believe in it... It's been fine so far so why change?
Same with global warming, right. They proved it's true, but people just keep on burning fossil fuels and heating up the Earth.

We could start a new thread "they proved global warming. now will you change anything?

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Yes Billy but global warning is a physical thing... in my mind God is not. It is just something people decide to live their lives by.
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Old 2008-11-01, 08:03 PM   #5
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Yes Billy but global warning is a physical thing... in my mind God is not. It is just something people decide to live their lives by.
The Guest House by Rumi, a religious poem by a religious poet

This being human is a guest house.
Every morning a new arrival.

A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.

Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still, treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.

The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.

Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond.


~ Rumi ~


(The Essential Rumi, versions by Coleman Barks)
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This being human is a guest house.
Every morning a new arrival.

A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.

Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still, treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.

The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.

Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond.
Basically saying everything happens for a reason, it might be good so treat it as that. Great but I'm still not going to turn to god. I'm stubborn Even if it was proved that he existed.
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Basically saying everything happens for a reason, it might be good so treat it as that. Great but I'm still not going to turn to god. I'm stubborn Even if it was proved that he existed.
Good for you!

That's GOD's will for you.

While Rumi may also be saying that everything happens for a reason, the more important message is that everything is a gift.

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