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Old 2012-03-21, 11:14 AM   #1
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KH T-Bar

I finally installed the T-bar on my KH 29er yesterday. I had to swap the 29er freeride seat for a street gel that was on another uni, as the freeride was an older model and wouldn't accept the stiffener plate.

I'm finding that riding the unicycle while holding onto both handles is quite a challenge. I wasn't able to hold on for more than a few seconds at the time before I had to release at least one hand in order to recover my balance. I'll keep practicing though.

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Old 2012-03-21, 04:07 PM   #2
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I have the same issue - it does help to apply pressure with one hand to relieve your seating area for a bit though. I have been unicycling for 31 years and cannot hold on with two hands for more than 20 or so rotations.
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Old 2012-03-21, 04:21 PM   #3
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Just keep practicing. You'll get it.

I'm very uncomfortable riding big wheels without bars now.
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Old 2012-03-21, 06:31 PM   #4
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+1, just practice.
First one hand on the bars untill you are comfortable with it, then two hands.
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Old 2012-03-22, 01:25 AM   #5
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+1, just practice.
First one hand on the bars untill you are comfortable with it, then two hands.
once I learned to put my right hand on the Shadow handlebar (my left braking hand never leaves it) I was able to square my shoulders and I just took off. Speed and cadence came naturally. Granted this is on a smooth road. For MUni, I waive my arms all over the place.
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Old 2012-03-22, 10:03 AM   #6
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I have a KH handlebar on my 29'er, and it is easier when I hold on hard with both hands. That gives me more control to correct my balance. I took me a while to find that out. When I started to use a handlebar, I had a loose grip with my right hand so I easily could let go, but that turned out to be the wrong approach for me. A handlebar is great for climbing hills, but then I only use one hand.
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Old 2012-03-23, 12:18 AM   #7
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When I first got my KH bar for my 36 I had to get used to the extra forward weight on the seat. The uni crashed over several times scuffing the bar ends. Like the others state practice nails it and for me now I can't imagine riding without the handle. Two hands is not a problem unless I'm going over really uneven surfaces and I too prefer to hold with one hand when negotiating hills. The bar is also really handy to attach a good torchlight and a water bottle.
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Old 2012-03-23, 01:23 PM   #8
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Well, I guess I just need to practice then. I can't wait to get comfortable with this, the way some of you guys are.
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Old 2012-03-24, 12:23 AM   #9
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Yes it does take some getting used to, but I think that if more people realized how much more comfortable it makes riding (not just for Distance but also XC muni) it would become perhaps as common as brakes. Speaking of brakes you'll also find it takes a bit of getting used to, braking from the T-bar position, but with practice it feels as normal as braking from the saddle handle.

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Old 2012-03-24, 06:45 AM   #10
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Kris, do you intent to launch one day a T-bar compatible with brake lever at the saddle handle instead of at T-bar which would be great for MUNI
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Old 2012-03-31, 11:11 AM   #11
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Yes it does take some getting used to, but I think that if more people realized how much more comfortable it makes riding (not just for Distance but also XC muni) it would become perhaps as common as brakes. Speaking of brakes you'll also find it takes a bit of getting used to, braking from the T-bar position, but with practice it feels as normal as braking from the saddle handle.

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Kris, my other hero (sorry for the use of the picture John but it's just so darn sexy) has his brake lever mounted half-way-up rather than way out on the end in the T-bar position like mine (2nd picture). Granted I'm talking about Distance riding with a slightly different (Shadow) HandleBar but the concept is the same. My left "braking" hand never leaves the handle. I use my right hand to recover my balance (when it gets too bumpy to hold on with both) so I want my lever handy (pardon the pun). Most of the 36er pictures I see have the lever mounted half-way-up (like John's) presumably to simulate braking from the saddle handle. I would be interested to hear from both you and John on this subject as I could not imagine mine any other way.


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Old 2012-03-31, 05:09 PM   #12
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The difference between touring and muni, in my view, is that with muni there's often the need to pull up on the handle while simultaneously braking, say to go over a bump while descending. Plus with XC you often want to have your hands in a "distance" position while being able to pull up over bumps on up-and-down terrain.

Attached are a couple of photos of my T-bar setup for muni (since this photo was taken I've moved it about 10 mm forward and 10 mm up). Flip the slotted tube around so it's oriented towards the back. Cut the T-bar shorter, and cut it narrower to 120 mm width so it avoids the knees (also makes it easier to reach the brake). You can raise it up just so that there's plenty of room for your knuckles when curling your fingers around the saddle handle. In the very beginning I did find it slightly strange to brake from this position but it was only because I was unfamiliar with it; now it feels totally natural.

In this orientation I have no problem pulling up hard on the T-bar over XC-like singletrack bumps, and on bumpy descents while braking. The lower position keeps my arms fairly straight which is less tiring when leaning on it. For steep climbing I want my hand facing back and as close to the saddle as possible, so I use the saddle handle.

I find this combo really helpful for XC Muni, and wouldn't ride without it now that I've gotten used to it. I prefer it to an asymmetrical handle that would replace the plastic saddle handle because I find that I use different positions depending on the kind of riding.

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Will the break lever be exposed to damage with the setup shown on Kris' pictures?
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I rode my kh36 with the t-bar installed for the first time on Saturday. Had previously tried it offroad on the 29er, but didnt like it at all with that setup and took it off after one ride.

But on the 36er on a sealed bike path, I found it much nicer than holding the seat bumper. Had both hands on it quite a lot. It was very comfortable spinning at a higher cadence due to reduced side-side wobble. Unfortunately, I UPDed faster than i could run out so now have missing skin on my hands and knes. The tbar will stay on this time.

I've had some trouble tightening it enough so that a UPD doesn't push it up towards the bumper. A small allen key just isn't fantastic and now i've burred the screw head somewhat.
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Will the break lever be exposed to damage with the setup shown on Kris' pictures?
Yeah, but it would be under the seat bumper too.
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