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Old 2018-06-22, 09:45 PM   #1
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Choose a better saddle for distance riding

Since many years I've had a Kris Holm Fusion Freeride saddle on my 29" distance unicycle.
When I bought it, the seat had one of the shallowest curves available at the time. But I think that the curve is still to deep for my liking.
See pictures for my current setup.

I'm looking at the Kris Holm Fusion One saddle to replace it, or perhaps the Nimbus Stadium.
What I've heard is that the Stadium is quite hard, which I guess might be too hard for my liking. (Word is that the new Stadium is softer, but not yet available as a separate purchase.)
The Fusion One is softer (its predecessor the Fusion Zero was harder too), and is probably more comfortable for me. But its basically flat, which might feel unstable.
I run rather short handlebars, because I don't like (or so I think) the feeling of resting my hands too far out.

Who has experience with the Fusion Zero or One, or the Stadium (old or new version) on a distance unicycle?
How do they compare on comfort for long rides (several hours without dismounting)?
How long would it take to get used to? (I ride 50 - 100 km per week, that's some 30 - 60 miles.)
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Old 2018-06-22, 11:01 PM   #2
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I have a carbon fibre base on my 36er saddle. It is flatter than the Freeride. When I first started riding it, I was fine with the flatter saddle but as soon as I got onto hills it didn't work for me.

I eventually tilted up at the front right to the limit of the KH adjustable post. I have always relied on controlling the nose of the saddle between my legs when I get up out of the saddle. I couldn't get the same stability with the nose lower.

I use KH short bars and I suppose I could control more though them but that would mean require more lateral force through my upper body.

You could experiment by flattering your Freeride. There are several threads on this site about doing it with hot water.
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Old 2018-06-23, 03:34 AM   #3
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Who has experience with the Fusion Zero or One, or the Stadium (old or new version) on a distance unicycle?
How do they compare on comfort for long rides (several hours without dismounting)?
How long would it take to get used to? (I ride 50 - 100 km per week, that's some 30 - 60 miles.)
Hi Klaas,

I have had a Fusion Zero on my 36er since I got it 3 years and 3000km ago. I have it set flat (nose not tilted up at all) with a handlebar. Each week I usually do a ~2 hour ride along with several shorter ones, time permitting. I wear bike short liners (from a pair of two-piece mountain bike shorts) for rides over about 30 minutes.

I find it pretty comfortable. To be honest I've never really found any unicycle or bike saddle to be the height of luxury, but I don't have any complaints. It's much better than the Nimbus Gel which I used on my first uni. If I was buying a new 36er today then I might get a Fusion One instead just to compare them.

I also have a v1 Stadium on my muni, with no handlebar. I like it too, but that uni doesn't get ridden very often or for very long these days.

One thing that I really like about the Zero is the narrow waist. I find this to be just as significant in contributing to comfort as the curvature.
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Old 2018-06-23, 05:06 AM   #4
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I ride about 40-60km of X-country muni per week at our local bike park.

When they first came out I tried the Zero on my 29" Oracle for about a month and then I couldn't do it anymore.
Standing was OK but sitting was not comfortable.
Back to the Fusion Freeride.

I bought my KH29 with a Freeride on it too.

The Freeride works for me and I am standing a lot when I ride.
I'm using the 127 holes and a nice big cushy 3" Minion.
I also use short handlebars.

When I ride the right line it's like sittin' in an air-ride seat for comfort.
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Old 2018-06-23, 06:53 AM   #5
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I'm on the Stadium saddle, the hard/older one. It took a little getting used to but I've grown to really love it. I ride about 3 hours a week and I have no problems with saddle soreness.

Also what length cranks are those on the 29er?
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Old 2018-06-23, 07:09 AM   #6
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Not helpful, but my most comfortable distance saddle is my old Miyata. No longer available.
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Old 2018-06-23, 08:29 AM   #7
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I like the Stadium too, you have to be aware that it's narrower than most saddles at the rear AND at the middle. So if your sit bones are on the wide side, you might not like it.
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Old 2018-06-23, 08:39 AM   #8
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After getting past the initial getting used to it phase, probably 50 miles, I love the Zero! I've been using it a couple of years now, on a couple of different 36ers, from Rocky downhill to smooth 60+ mile road rides. I wouldn't worry too much about what handlebar position you have because I'm just as happy using the Zero hands free, whatever terrain I'm riding

E2A On the distance for many hours thing... My longest ride, without dismounting or stopping for any reason, is 28 miles. This was after riding 26 miles non stop on the way out
I've ridden 82 miles in a day on the Zero too.
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Old 2018-06-23, 09:18 PM   #9
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Thanks all for the responses so far.
I have asked the same question in Unicycle Chat (facebook) as well. It seems to me that the two groups (here and fb) don't overlap so much - but I might be wrong. Anyway, combining the two groups's responses so far, there are hardly opinions/experiences on the newer versions of the KH (Zero One) and Nimbus (Stadium v2). I hope for some more of that, because that's what is available right now (oh well, the Stadium v1 is still for sale).

What emerges so far is that seat preferences are very personal, no surprise there. Quite a few people think that the firmness of these flat seats is something to get used to, thereafter they are (very) comfortable.

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You could experiment by flattering your Freeride. There are several threads on this site about doing it with hot water.
Thanks for pointing that out. But I prefer not to meddle in this way with a seat, with uncertain outcome, if I can buy something off the shelf.

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One thing that I really like about the Zero is the narrow waist. I find this to be just as significant in contributing to comfort as the curvature.
It could well be. I don't have chafing issues though on the side of the saddle - or anywhere for that matter. My main problem is numbness (getting 100% numb after more than an hour) in the genitals and general crotch area. Turning into painful numbness, if that is a thing.

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I ride about 40-60km of X-country muni per week at our local bike park.
I ride less XC than that, although it depends on the season. For XC I use a Freeride too (on another unicycle) and have no comfort issues with it. Every now and then you have to get out of the saddle and that seems to restore blood flow or whatever.

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Also what length cranks are those on the 29er?
102 mm. I ride in a flat area, and am training for the marathon and 100 km races at Unicon in Korea which are also more or less flat.

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Not helpful, but my most comfortable distance saddle is my old Miyata. No longer available.
I have never used one, but I remember that some 15 years ago they were known as the most comfortable saddles.
Side note: many people converted those Miyatas to 'air seats', by stuffing a lowish-pressure tube under the seat cover. The idea was to make them even more comfortable, but after a few minutes or maybe 15 minutes the even support of the air seat caused a decrease in comfort. The whole idea of air seats is abandoned, AFAIK.

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I like the Stadium too, you have to be aware that it's narrower than most saddles at the rear AND at the middle. So if your sit bones are on the wide side, you might not like it.
I have no idea about my sit bones. The KH Fusion Freeride doesn't feel like it's too wide for me, though.

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the initial getting used to it phase, probably 50 miles
That's a shorter break-in than most people report.

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I'm just as happy using the Zero hands free, whatever terrain I'm riding
How to you keep the seat under you, it being as flat as it is?

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I've ridden 82 miles in a day on the Zero too.
I figure that the seat must be comfortable.
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Old 2018-06-24, 12:05 AM   #10
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I'm looking at the Kris Holm Fusion One…

Who has experience with the Fusion Zero or One, or the Stadium (old or new version) on a distance unicycle?
How do they compare on comfort?
I have a little experience on the KH One from a year ago

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Opening day for WA SR-542 to Artist Point.

122.3 miles, 7488 elevation, 14:25:07 total time, 52 miles until the first dismount (changed from 110s to 125s)

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I was given the One saddle with the intention of “un—flattening” it. When after getting it home and examining how it is molded I decided not to modify it until I had given it a fair trial ride.

First I put about 50 miles of commuting on the One in one week and then did this ride. My impression was that the saddle never was comfortable but also never horrible either. Five miles of discomfort on a five mile ride. Yet also never all that bad during the breaking-my-butt-in period.

On the day road crews finished clearing the road to Artist Point I was off on the One for a nice day’s adventure. Once again, not comfortable but not horrible either for the entire 122 miles.

It didn’t seem to get any worse.
I still don’t really like it.
I went back to my old saddle before my next commute trip.
The One was left home to collect dust and has been in storage ever since.
No, I decided I would not “un—flattening” the One.

Your most likely looking for someone with more experience to reply.

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PS The road to Artist Point opened two days ago with me sick in bed.
So, this year I’ve missed opening day again.
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Old 2018-06-24, 06:45 AM   #11
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Who has experience with the Fusion Zero or One, or the Stadium (old or new version) on a distance unicycle?
How do they compare on comfort for long rides (several hours without dismounting)?
I got the Fusion Zero with my new KH Muni at Unicon in San Sebastian. My intent was to put the Zero on my 36" later. Until I did, I definitely did not like it on the Muni. The Muni has no handlebar, and I wasn't putting enough hours on it to get used to a "different" saddle.

Then I finally got it switched to the 36", which has the Nimbus handle set low and long. I could feel that it was trying to "do the right thing" for my crotch, but I still didn't develop any love for it. So about a year ago, I swapped it out for the Fusion One, which is still on there. I think I was starting to adjust to it when we were out riding more, but since December there have been way less Road rides (Jacquie knee replacement). So the saddle still pains me on the rides we've been doing. I get the feeling it's not quite the right fit for my bone structure, but that if I were riding more hours per week, that might be different.
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I figure that the seat must be comfortable.
Reading this thread reminded me of how diverse our crotches are. Or just our attitudes about what's a comfortable saddle. People who like the Fusion One! I have one available for sale, here in California...
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My impression was that the saddle never was comfortable but also never horrible either. Five miles of discomfort on a five mile ride. Yet also never all that bad during the breaking-my-butt-in period.
I kind of get that. Again, I can feel the Fusion One is trying to do the right thing for my crotch, and I think it would be decent for much longer rides. But usually we top out around 21 miles or so, and I'm still not loving it. I might end up switching to... uh, depends if I have a post that works with the basic Schwinn/KH mount. Probably an older saddle...

Based on the volume of riding you do, I think it would be worth a try, and I hope it's a good fit for you!
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Old 2018-06-24, 06:10 PM   #12
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Hi Klass

I am not sure if this will help or not but i bought my Nimbus 36" Sept 2017 which came with the stadium saddle i am not sure if this is version 1 or v2.
But i have been very happy with it pretty much from day one. Before that i was using a KH freeride on a 27.5 Muni. I would definately buy the Stadium again.
I also add that wearing good quality cycling shorts makes a big difference to me. If anyone knows i would be curious which version of the stadium i have.

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Old 2018-06-24, 10:11 PM   #13
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If anyone knows i would be curious which version of the stadium i have.
Me too I'd like to know whether your positive 'review' pertains to v1 or v2. Did you buy at unicycle.uk.co? Maybe they can tell? Not sure if the v2 was already available in Sep 2017, but otherwise there is likely some feature to tell them apart.
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Old 2018-06-25, 04:16 AM   #14
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In July 2017, Roger unboxed a 20" in front of the camera. He shows what is v2. Or is it v3?

Oooops, I think I mixed things up altogether. It's not a Stadium on that video. Having said that, it looks interesting too for a regular uni!

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Old 2018-06-25, 10:28 AM   #15
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It's not a Stadium on that video.
Hmmm maybe not indeed. From pictures found on the web, I think the Stadium is flatter still, and has a longer front handle/bumper.
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