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Old 2017-05-22, 03:53 AM   #1
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2017 KH lineup

Hey Everyone,

Here's a blog link to the 2017 KH lineup:
https://www.krisholm.com/en/blog/khu...g-2017-release

The main update is rims, plus a few component tweaks.

The rim design on the KH27.5 and KH29 is new - disc specific, tubeless compatible, Presta, wider at 55 mm and and lighter. With the Duro Crux 3.25" tire I've noticed that it is more forgiving on rough descents, especially in wet conditions where you don't quite get the line right and the well-supported tire profile is much more forgiving.
At the same time it climbs incredibly well, so no sacrifice at all for XC riding. There's no auto-steering or grabbiness in cornering.
For those who have the Fusion Zero saddle, the new(ish) Fusion One is also a major upgrade in comfort. I'm really stoked about it!

Anyway, check it out and let me know what you think.

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Old 2017-05-22, 07:22 AM   #2
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Hi,

I have a question on the new rims and hub. Are those still 36H versions? 32H hubs would open a much wider market of rims from the mtb world.
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Old 2017-05-22, 11:33 AM   #3
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Forget the question, sorry. Found the info on your HP: 36H
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Old 2017-05-22, 12:16 PM   #4
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Old 2017-05-22, 01:14 PM   #5
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Old 2017-05-22, 06:14 PM   #7
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How Long will 26-compatible parts be available?

Hi,
I was thinking of getting a schlumpfed 26er in 2018 or 2019. (26 because of preffered 80rpm and Not wanting to run out UPDs faster than 18 kph.)
Would it make sense to get it now or will 24 do just as well? How about availability of parts?
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Old 2017-05-22, 06:21 PM   #8
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If you want tu build up a schlumpfed uni, you don't need to buy a whole uni and rip it appart. The you can buy all parts separately and mix parts of different manufacturers.
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Old 2017-05-22, 07:10 PM   #9
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Kris;

Just to let you know: on the Rims page the spoke length is listed as 268mm for both new rims even though they look like they are laced the same in the uni photos.
I know unicyclists bend the laws of physics but that can't be right!

What do I win? Could it be an as-yet unannounced KH carbon fibre seat base?
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Old 2017-05-22, 11:45 PM   #10
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Why is kh26 discontinued?
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Old 2017-05-22, 11:59 PM   #11
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I guess its to simplify production, you could still get a 26 by putting a 26 wheel into a 27.5 frame and have a little more vertical clearance if so inclined.
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Old 2017-05-23, 12:05 AM   #12
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Why is kh26 discontinued?
26ers are on life support for now as far as the bike industry is concerned. It makes sense to follow the trends since that's where companies are investing their time.

Tire and rim technology will be vastly more focused on 27.5 vs. 26.
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Old 2017-05-23, 04:40 AM   #13
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It was a tough decision to take the KH26 out of the lineup. A few years ago I never would have imagined it would go. The first inkling was when I started testing the KH27.5 prototype. I thought I'd find it faster but perhaps a bit more clumsy on very technical descents. But I loved everything about it - rollability like a 29 and nimble like a 26. A real sweet spot.

But I'm fairly tall, so last year I kept the 26 in the lineup for reasons of fit. I still think that is valid - it makes sense to fine tune wheel size for fit.

But then riders like Stephanie Dietze got a KH27.5...and loved it too. I was surprised - she's not that tall and basically the size of person for whom I thought a 26 would be ideal. That doesn't necessarily mean others will feel the same, but it was significant.

Ultimately it's the small size of our market and availability of plus size tires that finalized the decision. Our niche is tiny and simplicity rules - the 27.5 is really versatile.

For a geared uni, personally I'd suggest going with the 27.5 over the 24 unless you really do find it too high a gear, or are a very small person (or youth).

There are still KH26 unis in stock at some dealers, so if you are keen on that size, now would be the time.

Re the 32 versus 36 hole debate. That has gone on for years. A few thoughts:
1) With the small size of our niche, it is a huge help to have a single standard. It's tough to support more than that.
2) Few as possible standards across brands = way better support of a riding community. The bike industry sucks for rolling out new and inconsistent standards.
3) Given the benefit of a single standard, 36 hole best covers the extremes of our wheel size range - aggressive trials/street/flat on a 19" to the geometry of a 36er. And the shift to 27.5 from 26 also means that some riders are doing very aggressive riding on 27.5" and 29" wheels, where the extra spokes and external disc brake make a real difference for wheel strength.

Those are the main reasons I've advocated for staying with the 36 hole standard.

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Old 2017-05-23, 06:28 AM   #14
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Thanks for your input on the 32 vs 36 hole debate. As uni is a niche market, should not that be the reason to follow the big bike market (=32H) to make things easier for everyone? By 36H it stays a non standard for a niche.

Understood you made your decision and it is not a big deal, as there are 32H ISIS uni hubs on the market, however I would prefer them being the excellent quality KH ones.
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I thought I'd find it faster but perhaps a bit more clumsy on very technical descents. But I loved everything about it - rollability like a 29 and nimble like a 26. A real sweet spot.
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But then riders like Stephanie Dietze got a KH27.5...and loved it too. I was surprised - she's not that tall and basically the size of person for whom I thought a 26 would be ideal.
I can totally understand your decision.
A few months, I would have been shocked. That was the time when I still had a Specialized Purgatory Control 3" tire on my G27.5+. It was fast, but maneuvrability and nimbleness were way worse than on my 24" muni (which itself felt a bit slow). I was thinking that 26" may be the ideal muni size.
But now I changed for a Schwalb Nobby Nic 2.8" with the new apex carcass. And suddenly, the 27.5er is an absolutely perfect muni, despite I'm only 1,73m (8ft 5in) tall. The benefit in rollability is way bigger than the (nearly not to feel) loss in maneuvrability. Now I really feel that 27.5" made the 26" obsolete (as long as you have the right tire) and maybe even the 24".
Also the 27.5"x3" tires are only about 27" in diameter which is only 1 inch more than a 26" and puts you uni only 1/2" higher than a 26". That's not that big difference. The 26" has 2" difference to the 24" and 3§ to the 29", the 27.5" has 3" difference to the 24" and 2" to the 29". so who cares. The differences in tire sidewall stability between different tires will affect your rideing way more than this one inch in diameter.
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