Christianity, what I believe it to mean.

[BillyTheMountain]

This is getting fun, and kinda makes me laugh!

[Wedgehog]

Why is dropping religion in human civilization such a struggle? This tepid wind that follows it where ever it may blow just never ends. It brings so much hate and violence all for an idea. It has claimed millions of human lives and makes millions continue its struggle.

[phlegm]

Originally Posted by Wedgehog

Why is dropping religion in human civilization such a struggle?

One word: UNCERTAINTY

Can you handle the void?

It brings so much hate and violence all for an idea. It has claimed millions of human lives and makes millions continue its struggle.

You're only focusing on the negatives. There are positives too.

[swarbrim]

My freedom is more important than your faith. Much, much more important.

Cheers.

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally Posted by swarbrim

My freedom is more important than your faith. Much, much more important.

Cheers.

My unicycle is more important than your freedom.
Much, much more important.

[phlegm]

This is making me laugh, and it's kind of fun.

People don't really want unbounded freedom. Thank god for mass marketing!!

[maestro8]

Originally Posted by phlegm

People don't really want unbounded freedom.

Gilby wants it. And by how he argues, it seems many others want it too.

Perhaps they should all take a ship to an island somewhere and declare their independence from our government. Wait, that sounds kinda familiar....

[phlegm]

Originally Posted by maestro8

Gilby wants it. And by how he argues, it seems many others want it too.

Hey, I want to live in my fantasies too!

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally Posted by Wedgehog

Why is dropping religion in human civilization such a struggle? This tepid wind that follows it where ever it may blow just never ends. It brings so much hate and violence all for an idea. It has claimed millions of human lives and makes millions continue its struggle.

And Atheism is the religion that has killed the most people.....

[unicyclification]

Originally Posted by Wedgehog

Why is dropping religion in human civilization such a struggle? This tepid wind that follows it where ever it may blow just never ends. It brings so much hate and violence all for an idea. It has claimed millions of human lives and makes millions continue its struggle.

Karl Marx also made this claim--that religion was the reason for much, if not all, of the world's hatred and violence, and that humankind would never achieve utopia unless all religion were abandoned. Interestingly enough, his philosophy of Communism has been used to excuse the killing of somewhere between 65 and 150 million people (large range, I know...depends on whose estimates you read) in the last 90 years.

Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people. (Sorry, couldn't resist)

I will respond to those of you who have posted replies to me in the last few days, it's just that I'm on vacation and only have access to 56K internet right now . It's hard for me to find the time for webpages to load in.

[cool-bananas]

Originally Posted by BillyTheMountain

And Atheism is the religion that has killed the most people.....

Prove it.

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally Posted by cool-bananas

Prove it.

YOU made the claim about religion, not me.

I was just supporting you with one specific.

Need I say? Mao, Lenin, Stalin, .....

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by BillyTheMountain

And Atheism is the religion that has killed the most people.....

You know, I had never thought about this...though I don't really have anything against religion, I've never denied that it's led to millions of deaths. I never realized though, that the philosophy of Atheism has (at least indirectly) contributed to so many more.

Thank you Billy/unicyclification.

[swarbrim]

In some accounts Jesus got married (Gospels of Philip and Thomas), but, they never made it into the new testament, so they can't be true...

So we're left with a 30 year old man, that never married in a culture where it was unheard of to not be married at that age. With 12 boy friends.

But the point is, would it matter if he was gay? Would that negate his teachings to all christians? Or just the gay-hating ones.

Cheers.

[phlegm]

Originally Posted by swarbrim

But the point is, would it matter if he was gay? Would that negate his teachings to all christians? Or just the gay-hating ones.

You gotta get your facts straight. There's no biblical record of Jesus' teachings being "anti-gay".

You can read about homosexuality and the Bible here.