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Old 2019-09-21, 02:08 AM   #61
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Most of my UPD's, I would say I fall in front of the unicycle, and mostly I land on my feet.

Most of my attempts also end up with the unicycle swerving to the right. The parking lot has columns roughly 26 ft apart. That is how I gauge my distance. So instead of going straight, I end up on a diagonal run towards a column on the front right. I mount my uni using a column on the rear left. I am to the right of this column as I push off with my left hand. Perhaps there is also a slight slope towards the right, but I have no level gauge to confirm this. Maybe these two factors are making me swerve to right.

This morning, I managed to unicycle to the end of the parking lot which is roughly 208 ft (occurs once only in a one hour session) . I need to learn how to turn right so I can continue .
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Old 2019-09-21, 04:27 AM   #62
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Most of my UPD's, I would say I fall in front of the unicycle, and mostly I land on my feet.
Well that is a positive. Much better than falling off the back.

Put simply this means you either leaned too far forwards of didn't pedal enough, but that is pretty obvious of course. More subtly you may be systematically leaning even further forwards in your effort to accelerate the wheel so you never quite catch up with the fall.

A big part of riding involves managing the reaction forces to avoid making the problem worse as you make corrections. Try to bring the reaction forces in your body more vertical or even slightly backwards so that you accelerate the wheel and slow down your body at the same time.

If you overdo this factor you will go into oscillation, so if you find yourself in a cycle of rapidly accelerating and decelerating you will know to bring the reaction movements a little more forwards.

Another factor is bringing the unicycle too vertical. This tends to happen as you strive to get your weight onto the seat so it often ends the run just when you thought you were getting there. The moment the frame reaches forward of vertical you are nearly guaranteed of a forward dismount.

Maintain the lean of your body slightly forwards so the uni frame leans slightly backwards, keeping your centre of mass above the contact point. This gives you more room for error in getting the wheel in the right position under you. It is harder to put your weight in the seat like this so it is matter of finding the sweet compromise. Try keeping a little more weight on the pedals for now.

It only takes a small lean forward of the body to achieve this geometry. Be careful not to hunch over. Try to control your position from the hips. Think about your movements in terms of being hinged or gimballed at the hips.

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Most of my attempts also end up with the unicycle swerving to the right.
Could you be putting more power into one leg than the other? Or perhaps you are over-correcting when falling to the right?

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Perhaps there is also a slight slope towards the right, but I have no level gauge to confirm this. Maybe these two factors are making me swerve to right.
Very likely that there is a slope on the surface for drainage.

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This morning, I managed to unicycle to the end of the parking lot which is roughly 208 ft (occurs once only in a one hour session) .
Hey, that is a sixty percent improvement over 130 feet. You are not far from success.

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I need to learn how to turn right so I can continue .
You are probably steering by twisting the uni under you. It is hard to do it any other way until you can ride fairly well in a straight line. Focus on the pressure of your thighs on the nose of the saddle and see what you can observe.

Try turning your upper body in the direction you want to turn. You might notice the pressure at your thighs. At first you will probably dismount but eventually you will compensate your balance at the same time.

Ultimately you need to lean the uni to turn. Lean by tilting your hips and counter-leaning your body to keep the contact point under you. Again you will probably dismount until you get the feel for it.

Don't despair. You are getting really close.
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Old 2019-09-21, 06:18 AM   #63
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https://vimeo.com/361453673

Hmmm .... so excited ... ha ha ha ....
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Old 2019-09-21, 06:29 AM   #64
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Congratulations. You are looking pretty stable. Now to embed the skill by repeating it a lot then start working on the turn.
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Old 2019-09-21, 06:42 AM   #65
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Thank you. Your posts helps a lot. I will read and re-read your post, takes a while to digest everything in. I am experiencing the oscillations.
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Old 2019-09-21, 10:33 AM   #66
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I went back to the wall because I was scared. That probably slowed my progress.
Loose the wall, loose it now. Every time you use the wall you loose some of what you have gained. As mentioned by others, if something goes wrong work out why you stopped. It's probably something basic like where you look or how you sit.

Initially a wall will help you ride. A wall will never help you KEEP riding. If you can ride 130', you can ride. A wall now will only stop you from falling, and learning.
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Old 2019-09-21, 12:27 PM   #67
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Yes I am training without walls for now.

But what about learning idling, wouldn't a wall (or a lamp post) help?
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Old 2019-09-21, 01:41 PM   #68
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Yes I am training without walls for now.

But what about learning idling, wouldn't a wall (or a lamp post) help?
Good job! I'd suggest you should work on your steering and freemounting now. They'll be the things you'll need to ride practically. Dismounting graciously is also something to learn now, but that doesn't need specific training.
After that, get experience with small hills/slopes.


For idling, the best advice I've received is learn to go forwards, then lean back and pedal backwards then get your body neutral (forwards) and ride forwards again. Repeat over and over. You can be near a railing for that, but it's really about the feel. You can feel when you are balanced.
But my bad news, I've been riding 2 years now and I still haven't mastered idling. So don't be surprised if you have no progress with it for a loooonnnngggg time. However my 12 yo. neighbour kid got it (forwards-backwards-forwards) basically first time I said for him to try it without being anywhere near a fence...... He also was happy to roll off kerbs with very little experience too.

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Old 2019-09-21, 10:37 PM   #69
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Thanks for the tips Gockie. Yes I will be training to just ride. Ride in a straighter line and without falling. Figure out how to turn and maybe later to do circles, figure 8s. My goal for now is to be able to ride a circuit in the parking lot. There are speed bumps in the parking lot, so that will be my hill training .. ha ha . (procrastinating on learning the free mount ... heh ...).

I read somewhere in this forum of a 6 year old kid doing 2 miles in a parade. Oh my ... I can't compete with kids .
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Old 2019-09-22, 12:44 PM   #70
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You said you were in KL, but your video says you are in SF! Oh well, a parking garage is a parking garage, it doesn't matter which side of the world you are on, and anyway, congratulations!

Going over speedbumps or other irregularities and slopes in the concrete will help you a lot at this stage. For idling, there are tons of written tutorials to be found on this forum, or on You Tube if you prefer video. I agree with Gockie's advice, though I would add that improvements in your steering will come with no effort, just as a result of riding, but free mounting is a different story. For that, you will have to set aside some practice time. In the beginning, I found the rollback mount to be the easiest, and it probably helped me with learning to idle soon afterwards as well. The static mount is definitely more useful than the rollback, and some people learn it first, but if you keep riding, you will probably end up learning both of them anyway.
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Old 2019-09-22, 01:07 PM   #71
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You said you were in KL, but your video says you are in SF! Oh well, a parking garage is a parking garage, it doesn't matter which side of the world you are on, and anyway, congratulations!

Going over speedbumps or other irregularities and slopes in the concrete will help you a lot at this stage. For idling, there are tons of written tutorials to be found on this forum, or on You Tube if you prefer video. I agree with Gockie's advice, though I would add that improvements in your steering will come with no effort, just as a result of riding, but free mounting is a different story. For that, you will have to set aside some practice time. In the beginning, I found the rollback mount to be the easiest, and it probably helped me with learning to idle soon afterwards as well. The static mount is definitely more useful than the rollback, and some people learn it first, but if you keep riding, you will probably end up learning both of them anyway.
Thanks for this. You've inspired me to try the roll back mount again for the smaller unis. I feel like I'm getting closer to being able to idle....

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Old 2019-09-22, 03:03 PM   #72
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Song,

Perhaps SF is where I wish to be. Right now in KL, very unhealthy due to haze from fires in the jungles of Kalimantan.
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Old 2019-09-23, 12:05 AM   #73
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Thanks for this. You've inspired me to try the roll back mount again for the smaller unis.
Yeah, at least for me, the rollback is good for any wheel smaller than a 36. For a number of reasons, though, the static mount is superior, and it's what I try to do every time now, except maybe if I'm riding an unfamiliar unicycle or if it's the first mount of the day.

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Perhaps SF is where I wish to be. Right now in KL, very unhealthy due to haze from fires in the jungles of Kalimantan.
Malaysia has some beautiful forests, so I am very sorry to hear that, though the same thing happens in California and the rest of the Western US these days. This year in North America, the big fires are in northwestern Canada and Alaska. I wonder if the Malaysian government will have prisoners fight the fires for $0.75 an hour, as is done in the US. They could probably get Indonesian migrants to work for that price without even having to lock them up first.
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Old 2019-09-23, 08:18 PM   #74
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what have I done?
You posted a unicycling thread in a non-unicycling forum.
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Old 2019-09-23, 09:56 PM   #75
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song,

No I don't think the Malaysian govt use prisoners or illegal migrants to fight jungle fires. However it is said that some of the jungle fires in Indonesia are caused by Malaysian Palm Oil companies in Indonesia.

p/s - I have just figured out how to switch SF to KL. Newbie on iMovie too. Me old fart, not too savvy on IT .

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Oh sorry. I am suppose to move to the main discussion? I will look for a newbie"ish" discussion in the main forum and then try to insert myself .
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