Monty Race 19" tyre (*NEW*)

[Sponge]

Fresshhh

Description and materials
- Brand new, improved version of the Eagle Claw rear tyre from Spanish brand Monty, lighter than before.
- Tested by world top riders such as Dani Comas, Abel Mustieles and all Monty Team riders for the last few months.
- High quality soft compound which ensures maximum grip no matter what the weather conditions are like.
- New tread design eliminates unnecessary bits, saving weight without compromising its grip: it is now the lightest tyre available.
- Still keeps the drilled side tread, keeping the weight down.
- 2.6" (66mm) wide, so it fits all 19” rims.
- 2 options available: black with no graphics/logos or black with the new red and white Monty Pro Race logo.

Dimensions
- 19 inches
- Width: 2.60 (66mm)
- Hardness: 53a

Finishes
- Black, without graphics
- Black, with the new red and white Monty Pro Race logo

Weight
- Only 760g! (247g lighter than the Eagle Claw tyre)

[padst3r]

Omg i need this tyre, they even cut tne nubs out so i don't have to anymore

[knoxuni]

that looks promising! i want!

[emile]

looks promising!

[trueuni]

cyko-lite vs this? What do you guys think?

[padst3r]

I didnt like the cyco lite because it seemed to small as in the tyre isnt very deep if that makes sense.It folded on me alot and if i put the pressure up it felt too hard.I imagine its great for street but i didn't like it for trials.I like to try all tyres that come out for 20" and this one looks similar to tryall light but i'm hoping it still feels like the old monty eagleclaw which i ride atm.

[Sponge]

Originally Posted by trueuni

cyko-lite vs this? What do you guys think?

The Cyko-Lite tyre is of the same mould as the Echo tyres.

i.e. the bog-standard Chinese bicycle factory churn-out. I'm not saying they're shit but they are really nothing spectacular in terms of R&D. Yes I am aware that the Cyko-Lite is not the exact same as the Echo but it's the same mould and compound and the testing/prototyping can't even come close to the effort that Try-All and Monty put into their tyres. Even Echo who first came out with the tread pattern/design of the Cyko-Lite/Nimbus/Echo tyre yeeeears ago (IIRC circa 2002?) will say that it's just a very 'standard' tyre. In short- not complete turd but nothing special. The Cyko-Lite is a nice cheap option based off a proven 'standard' design that works for street but just a no-go for trials when you consider what else is available. Even the Creepy Crawler is better for trials than the Echo/Cyko Lite.

These tyres that established comp-based biketrials brands like Try-All and Monty come out with like the Stiky, Stiky Lite, Eagle Claw, and now this 'Pro Race' Eagle Claw are completely custom designed from ground upwards. The compounds are generally quite grippy and suited for their purpose- Trials. There's a lot more that goes into these tyres like sidewalls, profile, tread allocation etc. and their comparatively higher price reflects this. Both Monty and Koxx/Tryall put their new generation (and old generation) tyres through A LOT of prototyping and testing through their top-level competition riders like Benito Ros, Dani Comas, Cesar Canas, Abel Mustieles to get a tyre that will help give them the edge over their competition in world rounds.

This new Monty Race EC tyre has literally just come out in the biketrials world and only a handful of riders have started to use them. But I predict that this will be the next big thing in terms of mod tyres next to the Try-All Stiky Lite.

If you're a street rider, stick with the simpler tyres like Echo/Cyko-Lite.. 'cos they work for that style of riding! Only people riding predominantly trials will get the most (satisfaction and performance) out of these higher end tyres because that's what they were designed for.

[knoxuni]

I hope that it has better sidewalls than a tryall light. if it does im in for one!

[rogeratunicycledotcom]

Originally Posted by Sponge

The Cyko-Lite tyre is of the same mould as the Echo tyres.

i.e. the bog-standard Chinese bicycle factory churn-out. I'm not saying they're shit but they are really nothing spectacular in terms of R&D. .....

All very interesting... and not practically well ill-informed.
The "bog-standard Chinese bicycle factory" is a specialist tyre company based in Taiwan. It is also the same factory that makes Try-all, Monty and Nimbus. The development processes you describe are not exactly how it works.

That is not to say that it is not a good tyre, I think it will be. It looks as if it will be great for urban trials and even street with that lower profile tread pattern. I am looking forward to trying it myself.

Roger

[Eddbmxdude]

Sweet! The Monty is my favourite trials tyre by far, so I can't wait to try one of these

[Nurse Ben]

Hey Sponge, what you wrote about UDC's tire was out of line and better put into a PM to Roger or simply not said at all.

Roger has always been very helpful to this community and has been forthright and honest in all of his interactions with other users.

If you don't like what UDC is doing, and you even have a dog in this fight, then maybe you should take it off the forum...

Those were some powerful and nasty words, you owe Roger an apology.

[Sponge]

This is where online talking can make arguments sprout when the intention was not there. I think I should make it clear that when I post, I post or write a paragraph online, it is speaking towards a general audience. I prefer to quote someone if giving a direct response to an individual's post. I read Roger's points, and made a general point displayed in a few paragraphs. E.g. when I said "If you can speak Mandarin Chinese and go there on a frequent basis..." I wasn't talking to Roger. I didn't have any individual in mind when I typed that. In public forums, the way I write is to a general audience usually. I hope the word 'you' isn't taking personally, usually when I use that word online publicly it really is a 'general' you.

I am not 'slating' any individual, including you Roger. If I had an issue with you personally, which by the way I don't, I would have emailed or called directly. I see that my above post seemed inflammatory towards an individual, well, No that wasn't the point. So if it seemed like I had a problem with you personally Roger, then my apologies if you felt that way. I want to make it clear that my critical post was directed towards a product like the Cyko-Lite, and not at Roger.

What I do take issue with (and was the point of my above post) is this idea that so many brands in the cycling world (not only within unicycling) base some 'new' products off of already existing and outdated products already made long ago by another brand/company. I actually really want more unicycling brands to step up and create innovative new products from ground up, one of the greatest compliments to a unicycling part is when other sports take interest in that given part. One example is the KH rim. I just happen to believe that Nimbus has a ton of potential, and that the Cyko-Lite is nothing particularly progressive. It's the Cyko-Lite I can not agree with, not Nimbus, and certainly not Roger.

Echo tyres can come down as low as 800-900g, depending on the batch. I know this first hand as I've owned various Echo tyres off completes and sold the tyres off because I think they're not adequate for trials, dangerous in wet conditions, and there are better options for cheaper. Like the Creepy Crawler. If we're talking street unicycles then riders could just ask any Echo retailer in the notes section to send them a light one. Echo tyres are cheap, cheaper than the Cyko-Lite whose main selling point is the low weight- which some batches of Echo tyres definitely match. Hence why I just think it'd be so much better if Nimbus created a whole new 19" tyre with a new carcass, tread and compound- starting fresh with just the first two mentioned components alone is enough to create a good lightweight tyre that will get riders' interest (and not just within unicycling).

I'm just relaxing back home now after another year at university and having an iced tea, speaking my mind. Two years ago I spoke quite thoroughly with a friend who was the frame designer of then-new trials brand Mist Bikes- the whole debate was about how to improve the next Mist frames and I discussed with him that copying Koxx's tensioning system and various other areas of the frame was not the most progressive and best way to get positive sales and feedback from the market. Turns out the Mist frame failed eventually. Both of us got a lot out of that discussion- it was over some bubble tea and both of us knew that when discussing that frame's design it was just about that frame- and not about either of us as individuals. Nimbus has done a lot of good, I'm not denying that, in fact my very first unicycle was a hand-me down Nimbus from Joe and I remember I adored it. I like the brand, and I am well aware of the good things Roger has done for unicycling. Hence I don't have a reason to bite. If I had a problem with Roger or any individual I'd take it up with them personally. As I have already stated, I do not have an issue with Roger personally. I like it when brands (or anyone) take a chance and create something new and innovative, often that investment pays off quite well in the end and the market ends up with a fresh, new, progressive product. That's what I'd like for Nimbus and more unicycling brands.

This has really off the main topic- the Monty Race, why I like it? Because they completely revised it, and not just taking the old Eagle Claw as a starting base. The actual carcass of the tyre is something completely new.

[Sponge]

I'm speaking to Roger directly in my second post on this page when I refer with his name, and am sorry if it seemed I was making having a go personally in my first post at the top of the page. To make it very clear, that's not the case. It's the product I don't agree with, even if I happen to respect the man at the top whose brand made it. One thing that I would've like to have said if I was talking to Roger directly in my first post on this page is that I really do respect when people go out to visit factories and sit down with the guys who do the manual work. That can't be taken away and that's one of the reasons why I definitely don't have a problem with Roger as a guy.

[rogeratunicycledotcom]

Sponge,

Thank you for your kind comments and your explanation. I also understand your miss-understanding thinking that the Cyko-lite was not a Nimbus and hence a product that I worked on with the manufactures. I guess it is not clear at all. One positive note I will take from this debate is that we need to show more of what we have actually done on projects.

I do not think it is the best tyre on the market by any means; although it is definately a move forward on what we had and is also a reaction to what is happening in the market.

The cost of Butile has gone through the roof and the cost of tyres has dramatically gone up and on a unicycle that affects the cost disproportionally. The company that we work with (along with most of the trials bike companies) have developed a method of producing tyres with less butile and hence making them lighter. They are at the forefront of the industry. I wish they could have taken on our new 36" tyre, but their bolsters are not big enough!

Roger

[aracer]

Originally Posted by Sponge

Hence why I just think it'd be so much better if Nimbus created a whole new 19" tyre with a new carcass, tread and compound- starting fresh with just the first two mentioned components alone is enough to create a good lightweight tyre that will get riders' interest (and not just within unicycling).

How do you know they haven't got a completely new carcass and compound based on what you've seen? As far as I can tell you're basing your opinion on the fact it uses the same mould as the existing Echo tyre (something Roger has happily admitted to), resulting in the same tread - however that tells you pretty much nothing about the other important attributes. Admittedly I'm a complete unicycle newbie (and never likely to use a trials tyre on a bicycle), but ISTM the tread pattern on a trials tyre is pretty unimportant for what most unicyclists use them for. In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that for the vast majority of use I've seen of trials tyres a slick would provide better grip.