Should farm animals gain a legal right to stand, sit, lie down, turn around, stretch?

BillyTheMountain · 2008-10-09, 02:04 PM

What kind of animal would keep veal-calves immobile in crates barely large enough to contain their bodies? Or egg-laying hens in cages so small they can never stretch their wings?

Californians have the opportunity to become more human this November, by voting on the California Farm Animal Cruelty Act -- Proposition 2.

JJuggle · 2008-10-09, 02:16 PM

Proposition 2: Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute.

peleschramm · 2008-10-09, 03:40 PM

Yes, I think farm animals deserve much more rights.

This may screw the economy over even further... but some things are more important (though the economy is well important).

harper · 2008-10-09, 04:00 PM

Mmmm....farm animals......mmmm.

Spudman · 2008-10-09, 04:44 PM

They need to figure out how to grow meat in a test tube already, then we won't have to worry about harming these tasty animals. If meat did come from a tube instead of cute little animals, would there be fewer vegetarians in the world? And would we still be allowed to eat animals at all? hmm...

Jeremy R · 2008-10-09, 04:54 PM

Nevermind That; Prop never gonna happen
All animals have the right to live. This will be enacted in 2015 to allow existing cattle stock to be diminished to a natural count.

MuniAddict · 2008-10-09, 05:06 PM

There's a psa running in my area showing the terrible mistreatment of these poor animals and it really sickens me and breaks my heart to see them in those conditions. Like a forklift driver knocking over a helpless cow and almost running it over. Or a baby pig biting down on the metal bar of his tiny cage out of sheer desperation to escape. Disgusting and sad.

catinabag1 · 2008-10-09, 05:18 PM

food from animals that are free to roam always tastes better than food from couped up animals. i grew up on a farm and we raised cows, pigs, and chickens and the meat and eggs were SO much better than store bought. it takes more land to raise animals this way, but the food is better and i think animals should never be kept in small pens. it's mean.

uni57 · 2008-10-09, 05:51 PM

Vote against factory farming and animal abuse with your purchasing dollars. Reconnect with your local small, family farmers (who desperately need your support). Meet them and talk with them. Buy from those who have the best practices.

BillyTheMountain · 2008-10-09, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MuniAddict

There's a psa running in my area showing the terrible mistreatment of these poor animals and it really sickens me and breaks my heart to see them in those conditions. Like a forklift driver knocking over a helpless cow and almost running it over. Or a baby pig biting down on the metal bar of his tiny cage out of sheer desperation to escape. Disgusting and sad.

The compassionate conservative emerges....

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Originally Posted by Jeremy R

Just because we have a higher IQ and thumbs doesn't mean we are greater than a bull. Actually dolphins are just as equal to me in my oppinion.

You can't balance a ball on your nose while swimming backwards, or take a swimming leap out of the pool through a hoop, or jump up and take a fish out of the bikini girl's mouth.

Is your claim of being equal to the dolphin an overstatement?

johnfoss · 2008-10-09, 07:22 PM

Proposition 2 is on our ballot, so how do the Californians out there plan to vote? It'll be a yes from Jacquie and me. In reading the arguments about it, the opposition side speaks only of hens and eggs, and never mentions the other animals. I think the hen/egg part is the vast majority for this proposal. The No side claims California would lose its egg market due to higher prices. The Yes side says the difference would be a few pennies per egg, or per dozen. I'm willing to pay such a difference, and I think a majority of Californians are too. And since there is no argument against the stuff for the veal and pork (can't say there's no pork in this one), our Yes votes are reconfirmed.

To me it's a no-brainer. Slightly higher costs on the one hand, and better treatment of the animals on the other. While some people will always just buy the cheapest stuff, those of us who care (and we can afford it) will happily pay a little more to feel better about that stuff if we choose to buy it.

Jeremy R · 2008-10-09, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyTheMountain

The compassionate conservative emerges....

You can't balance a ball on your nose while swimming backwards, or take a swimming leap out of the pool through a hoop, or jump up and take a fish out of the bikini girl's mouth.

Is your claim of being equal to the dolphin an overstatement?

I can unicycle! while juggling!

BillyTheMountain · 2008-10-09, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy R

I can unicycle! while juggling!

You beat the dolphin.

Happy now? Proud?

Jeremy R · 2008-10-09, 07:56 PM

Hahaha, no, i still beleive I am equal to a dolphin.

harper · 2008-10-10, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyTheMountain

You beat the dolphin.

Billy, please, this is a family forum.

2008-10-09, 02:04 PM	#1
BillyTheMountain Happy Wal-Mart Employee Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 11,448	Should farm animals gain a legal right to stand, sit, lie down, turn around, stretch? What kind of animal would keep veal-calves immobile in crates barely large enough to contain their bodies? Or egg-laying hens in cages so small they can never stretch their wings? Californians have the opportunity to become more human this November, by voting on the California Farm Animal Cruelty Act -- Proposition 2. __________________ While you and I are having our cake-and-ice-cream party, the others are having a drink-the-blood-of-the-poor party in the back room. --[QUOTE=maestro8;1433130]

2008-10-09, 02:16 PM	#2
JJuggle Last of the Dogmato-Revisionists Join Date: May 2001 Location: Matawan, NJ, USA Age: 52 Posts: 8,094	Proposition 2: Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute. __________________ Raphael Lasar To plotz is human, to schvitz divine.

2008-10-09, 03:40 PM	#3
peleschramm Team Spencer second in command Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sammamish, WA Age: 21 Posts: 3,518	Yes, I think farm animals deserve much more rights. This may screw the economy over even further... but some things are more important (though the economy is well important). __________________ http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=peleproductions Unicycle for rational thought, open mindedness, and uncertainty. And Spencer. Inventor of the Slapflip.

2008-10-09, 04:00 PM	#4
harper 768 - It's in your DNA Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 60 Posts: 8,557	Mmmm....farm animals......mmmm. __________________ -Greg Harper Destroying the climate by shutting down nuclear power plants, one by one, since 1979. JC is the only main man. There can be no other. "A fool on a unicycle is redundant" - J.D. Miller

2008-10-09, 04:54 PM	#6
Jeremy R onceuponatimetherewasaper son Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Massachussets Posts: 1,998	Nevermind That; Prop never gonna happen All animals have the right to live. This will be enacted in 2015 to allow existing cattle stock to be diminished to a natural count. __________________ 661 MountainUni or make it a dinglespeed - saskatchewanian

2008-10-09, 04:44 PM	#5
Spudman yeah. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Chandler, AZ Age: 25 Posts: 1,699	They need to figure out how to grow meat in a test tube already, then we won't have to worry about harming these tasty animals. If meat did come from a tube instead of cute little animals, would there be fewer vegetarians in the world? And would we still be allowed to eat animals at all? hmm...

2008-10-09, 05:06 PM	#7
MuniAddict Not "2" Tired Join Date: Aug 2006 Age: 57 Posts: 13,541	There's a psa running in my area showing the terrible mistreatment of these poor animals and it really sickens me and breaks my heart to see them in those conditions. Like a forklift driver knocking over a helpless cow and almost running it over. Or a baby pig biting down on the metal bar of his tiny cage out of sheer desperation to escape. Disgusting and sad. __________________ My latest TV segment UniGeezer.com My videos Last edited by MuniAddict; 2008-10-09 at 05:07 PM.

2008-10-09, 05:18 PM	#8
catinabag1 future navy nuke Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Turner Oregon (near Salem) Age: 23 Posts: 1,304	food from animals that are free to roam always tastes better than food from couped up animals. i grew up on a farm and we raised cows, pigs, and chickens and the meat and eggs were SO much better than store bought. it takes more land to raise animals this way, but the food is better and i think animals should never be kept in small pens. it's mean. __________________ Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

2008-10-09, 05:51 PM	#9
uni57 Dave Lowell Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Here, being nice to the vegetarians Age: 48 Posts: 3,284	Vote against factory farming and animal abuse with your purchasing dollars. Reconnect with your local small, family farmers (who desperately need your support). Meet them and talk with them. Buy from those who have the best practices.

2008-10-09, 07:22 PM	#11
johnfoss North Shore ridin' Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Carmichael, CA Posts: 14,932	Proposition 2 is on our ballot, so how do the Californians out there plan to vote? It'll be a yes from Jacquie and me. In reading the arguments about it, the opposition side speaks only of hens and eggs, and never mentions the other animals. I think the hen/egg part is the vast majority for this proposal. The No side claims California would lose its egg market due to higher prices. The Yes side says the difference would be a few pennies per egg, or per dozen. I'm willing to pay such a difference, and I think a majority of Californians are too. And since there is no argument against the stuff for the veal and pork (can't say there's no pork in this one), our Yes votes are reconfirmed. To me it's a no-brainer. Slightly higher costs on the one hand, and better treatment of the animals on the other. While some people will always just buy the cheapest stuff, those of us who care (and we can afford it) will happily pay a little more to feel better about that stuff if we choose to buy it. __________________ John Foss "jfoss" at "unicycling.com" www.unicycling.com "Unicycling is a way of looking at the world, making a choice to slow down, finish what you start, doing things not because they're easy, but because they're a challenge." -- Nurse Ben Last edited by johnfoss; 2008-10-09 at 07:24 PM.

2008-10-09, 07:56 PM	#14
Jeremy R onceuponatimetherewasaper son Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Massachussets Posts: 1,998	Hahaha, no, i still beleive I am equal to a dolphin. __________________ 661 MountainUni or make it a dinglespeed - saskatchewanian

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