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UniDreamerFR 2015-11-25 10:12 AM

TA tyre : 4 PLY or 2 PLY ??
 
There is something I don't understand on the second hand old chromed qu-ax 36er I've bought 9 days ago, it's about the tyre.

Here is my 36er without the handle I added since:
http://i68.tinypic.com/2urxatk.jpg

-What I know is that there is an old TA tire which is heavy (about 2.3kg) and a new one which is much lighter (about 1.5kg).
-What I think I know (but I'm not sure) is that both are "4 PLY" built.
-What I wonder is why it is written "2PLY" on my TA tyre :

http://i63.tinypic.com/i1fg46.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/fxz30o.jpg

Beyond the question I also try to know for sure if I have the heavy TA tyre or the new one (or a kind of copy since it is written Made In Taïwan) without taking it off to check , cause I find it very heavy on the first half spin of the wheel just after the free mount, especially when I try it with shorter cranks than 137, but that's my first 36er so maybe it's me.

The second question I am asking to myself is when this Qu-ax model has been released, since it has got a black isis hub (not the red one) and KH seat + brakes
The rim sideways also have the tiny surface for the brakes.

Thanks for your help.

jtrops 2015-11-25 04:08 PM

I would guess you have the old TA since the new one only became available recently. That said, i would weigh your tire. The actual weights vary greatly on these. My TA weighed in around 1700g which was lighter than many Nightrider tires (actual weights) of the time. So, while it is probably the old version, it may not be that much heavier. I'm not aware of any actual weights on the new tire for comparison, but it's close enough to my old one that they may not really be any lighter than what I had.

The saddle was probably changed since it would be more likely a Qu-Ax saddle. Are you sure it's an ISIS hub? All of the black Qu-Ax hubs that I'm aware of have square tapers. The ISIS hubs are usually red or yellow. If it is ISIS that could help with dating it.

UniDreamerFR 2015-11-25 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrops (Post 1661051)
I would guess you have the old TA since the new one only became available recently. That said, i would weigh your tire. The actual weights vary greatly on these. My TA weighed in around 1700g which was lighter than many Nightrider tires (actual weights) of the time. So, while it is probably the old version, it may not be that much heavier. I'm not aware of any actual weights on the new tire for comparison, but it's close enough to my old one that they may not really be any lighter than what I had.

The saddle was probably changed since it would be more likely a Qu-Ax saddle. Are you sure it's an ISIS hub? All of the black Qu-Ax hubs that I'm aware of have square tapers. The ISIS hubs are usually red or yellow. If it is ISIS that could help with dating it.

Thanks for your reply.

I 'd like to avoid any unnecessary unmount of the tyre since it is reputed to be hard to mount/unmount, so I won't do it only to know it's weight.
The 36er was at 200€ so it is a good price for a first 36er, I will probably finish by selling it one day and buying a better one but not for now.

My main question is the "2 PLY" stuff. what is written on your TA?

Yes it is a black ISIS hub, I mounted several sizes of ISIS cranks on it, but there is no inscription on any part of the unicycle excepted the tyre and the seat of course, but I just noticed that a hole in form of "1" is repeated 4 times on each sides of the hub, so it's probably the "1" of QU-AX
+ the whole unicycle is quite identical to the 36er of this thread :http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=118543
http://imgur.com/a/AERG3

On the image of the red hub you can also see the same "1" holes on the sides.
mine is just all black.
So now that I am saying that, there is nearly no doubt that this is a Qu-ax hub and a Qu-ax 36er.
But when did Qu-ax released this "black hub" 36er ?

The other question left is the "2 ply" stuff.

Piece Maker 2015-11-25 11:24 PM

Hmm, the TA on my Qu-Ax is 4-ply, and I'm pretty sure it's not the new, lighter model that came out this year (As I got my uni the year before...). Not a clue what the 2-ply is! :eek: I think the chrome-coloured Qu-Ax's are fairly old but I'm not sure exactly how old.

saskatchewanian 2015-11-26 01:44 AM

If it says 2 ply it's probably 2 ply.

Mine says 4 ply...

UniDreamerFR 2015-11-27 08:18 AM

Thanks for your inputs guys.
I guess I opened a "solve the mystery" thread.

Who will be able to find the answer?
I pay a virtual beer :D

pierrox 2015-11-27 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UniDreamerFR (Post 1661122)
Thanks for your inputs guys.
I guess I opened a "solve the mystery" thread.

Who will be able to find the answer?
I pay a virtual beer :D

Yes but you'll have to find out the weight of yours to nail that thread. :)

And what about a real beer? :cool:

UniDreamerFR 2015-11-27 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pierrox (Post 1661123)
Yes but you'll have to find out the weight of yours to nail that thread. :)

And what about a real beer? :cool:

If you manage to resolve this double mystery before the next odd Sunday we 'll ride together, I'll offer you a real one ;)

Killian 2015-11-27 07:16 PM

To mark a 4 ply tire as 2 ply (lighter) when it's not would be pretty low, even for the cycling industry.

I'd say it's probably 2 ply.

UniDreamerFR 2015-11-29 09:04 AM

I also think if it is indicated "2PLY" it must be.
Do every TA tyre owners have "made in Taïwan" on theirs?

Does someone know if Qu-ax started with 2 PLY tyres for their very first 36er or was it already 4 PLY at the beginning?
:confused:

saskatchewanian 2015-11-29 02:21 PM

They were all four ply until pretty recently. I believe that the Nightrider was the first 2 ply 36" tire.

UniDreamerFR 2015-12-05 05:20 PM

Still don't know why this tyre is a 2PLY while not being recent but I Just got my first ever flat on a Unicycle with this 36er.

yesterday, since I wanted to work on rolling mount with 125mm cranks, I inflated the TA tyre to 40 PSI, cause at 32 PSI there is to much rolling resistance with those cranks for a learning session (this was a 1h30 session on a parking)
The same evening I found the tyre flat.
I know that some people do have issues when inflating the TA tyre above the 36PSI, and some others don't. I guess mine doesn't like it very much.

I will have to dismount this tyre, so I'll be able to know it's weight, what tube is in and what exactly caused this flat.

Anyway, I am thinking about buying a Nightrider 36" tyre cause it can be inflated to 65 PSI but I wonder if the RIM of this early ages QU-AX will support this new tyre and 65 PSI inflation.

What do you guys think about it?

Piece Maker 2015-12-05 06:10 PM

I run my TA tyre at 50-60psi depending on the weather and I've never had any issues with that.

As for the rim - it should fit the Nightrider tyre just fine, not sure if the rim makes any difference in terms of tyre pressure though.

saskatchewanian 2015-12-05 07:20 PM

I think he is talking about putting the nightrider tire on his older QuAx rim.

I don't think that there should be any issues with the rim as far as pressure is concerned, for that matter I wouldn't hesitate to try the two-ply TA at higher pressure either. I have tried riding my 4 ply TA at higher pressures and just don't like the feel over 40, I have gone up to 60 with no issues. It's a personal preference thing, as well as a non-perfect road surface thing. I have no problem airing down to 25 in winter and off-road.


As for the rim: the older QuAx is quite narrow compared to the other 36" rims. This should round out the tires a bit. You probably need a bit higher pressure than most of us with wider rims. The rounder harder tire should make the unicycle a bit more easily maneuverable at the expense of straight-line stability.


I guess I wrote all that to say: UniDreamerFR, fix your flat and try the higher pressure, you already have a pretty good setup for maneuvering around a parking lot. I doubt that the Nightrider tire would be much of an improvement.

janvanhulzen 2015-12-06 07:04 PM

I have a Qu-ax 36" which is now 2.5 years old. It has a TA 4 PLY tire. I can confirm that it handles like an stalled Antonov during mounting and at low speeds.

Today i took off the TA tire and installed a Nightrider Tire. I did compare weight by hand and weight appears to be quite similar. I may be imagining things but it appears to handle better than the TA tire at low pressure (32 PSI). Especially the yawing motions when turning at low speeds. Perhaps it has something to do with the way it deforms or with the thread pattern. I will test it at higher PSI to see if this improves handling.


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