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UnimakerX 2017-01-22 12:32 AM

Seeking geared unicycle prototype demonstrater/collaborator for startup company.
Looking for a unicyclist who isn't tied down working 2 jobs like I am. I am looking for someone who is 18 or older to ride and demonstrate single speed geared unicycles in 2018. This will involve travel from time to time and of course all travel will be accomadated; there will be pay as well. Now I will tell you more about the unicycle I am building. This particular design has already been done but you can't just buy it from any unicycle manufacturer yet, you would have to have it custom made and that would cost over $2000 a piece if not more. But if it was made in a semi-mass quantity then prices could be much cheaper. I know there is already the Schlumpf hub, but not every rider has $1750 for a top of the line unicycle hub. Currently I am collaborating with Tommy from the unicycle factory and another company called Mclellen engineering (stuff later on). My goal to be making a geared unicycle prototype by the end of 2017 at the latest. The first prototypes won't be dual speed like the schlumpf hub, but it will have interchangeable gearing ratios, meaning you can gear it higher or lower if you want. I am also thinking of building titanium frames along with standard steel frames. Anyways if any of you guys or gals are interested in riding or collaborating with me than contact me on here or on email: CLJolley3@gmail.com. if you want it I can inbox you my cell phone number. I already have a company name but will be open to suggestions. I hope to hear from someone sooner or later :)

More about me (if you want to know):

Male of 27. I live somewhere in Southeast Michigan. Been unicycle riding since 19. I came up with an ideal with dual chains only to find out I am not the first with the ideal, although i still plan to make it affordable and available for most unicyclist. I have a special interest in Mountain Unicycling, especially downhill style unicycling, which I think gears and brakes would be the perfect combination for downhill unicycling. I hope getting this unicycle design out there will help all types of unicyclist who have wanted a geared unicycle but couldn't afford one previously

This is about the unicycles and not me however.

Cousin Itt 2017-01-22 01:04 AM

Why don't you just ride it yourself on a video to demonstrate it?

UnimakerX 2017-01-22 01:12 AM

I know how to ride myself, but I think not everybody uses YouTube, and not everybody who uses YouTube would even watch the video. If marketing was that easy companies wouldn't spend millions on marketing, although the unicycle community isn't that big, I thinknow some people are more likely to listen to someone who speaks to them in person, plus my target audience is the entire planet earth, since unicyclist are typically far and few in between. I can'tell speak, Dutch, German, or any other language besides English right now.

UnimakerX 2017-01-22 01:17 AM

Eventually though I can do that video, but there are far better unicyclist than me, and I am no Kris Holm, just some guy who happens to ride unicycles as a hobby...all that attention wouldn't do me any good either lol...just trying to make an honest living without having to work on someone else's schedule.:D

Cousin Itt 2017-01-22 01:18 AM

So you need someone who speaks every language and can ride a unicycle, and you have money to fly them all over the world?

UnimakerX 2017-01-22 01:27 AM

Lol, 1 step at a time. I only get 2 weeks of maximum paid vacation, sending someone else out every so often would be much easier than getting fired from my full time job at for motor company, plus then I couldn't afford to travel or make unicycles without the money. I was thinking of starting off someone with unicycle conventions in English speaking countries, than Japan, then China ...or Europe....just big countries first, as long as they have unicycle conventions. Once I build this unicycle and I clear my financial obligations I have almost 2 grand to play with a month on sending people from a place to place, but for now it be like occassionally.

jaco_flans 2017-01-22 01:30 AM

Email sent, curious about this!

broncojon68 2017-01-22 07:12 AM

Try to convince Terry Peterson, that dude can ride and has good camera presents!

UnimakerX 2017-01-22 07:41 AM

Yes i've seen his videos, I don't necessarily think this project will be that much of a high profile project, but Terry definitely has the skills to pay the bills, I would be honored to have him see if he likes the unicycles or not first and foremost. I did some sketches that are too sloppy to post up here. The drawings include both a dual chain design and a 3 speed geared hub sketch. The thing is though i am getting so much interest that I might work on the geared hub as well. The thing with geared hubs is they are so much more complicated to produce and I personally have no aspirations to compete with schlumpf, my goal with the dual chain design was to just make it more affordable, and also with interchangeable gear ratios. As far as the geared hub sketch I just came up with a 3 speed design tweak based off of research I did on geared hubs in the last couple of hours. I had several other with 4 or more speeds but the 3 speed unicycle hub is based off of proven technology from researching existing bicycle products. I just looked it up and applied it to my current designs. My only fear with the complexity of geared hubs is greater risk of breaking down, which is why I gave up on the 4+ speed gear hub designs. Anyways the 3 speed sketch may or may not make it eventually, theoretically it would have 3 speeds like a Sturmey Archer hub, meaning it would have a low drive, direct, and an overdrive.

UnimakerX 2017-01-23 07:10 PM

Stay tuned..
Looks like Registration is closed, I already got enough interested collaborators and/or riders at the moment, I mean if 1 of those actually drops out than I will still be looking. If eventually things look promising I may be hiring some assemblers blah, blah ,blah.

Right now the designs are sketch only but I am working/collaborating with several different individuals on 2 different products. I will post a link here under this thread to another thread Unicyclist.com once I start making rough prototypes. Definately it's great to see that there is indeed an interest in what I may have to offer.

All my plans that I can tell you are below.

So far it will be down to a chain based production model, which again is nothing new, and maybe later down the line a Geared hub that I am also working on..that will take much more development and likely it MAY not be any cheaper than the schlumpf if even as affordable as the Schlumpf...it turns out Schlumpf has a reason for charging as much as they do, and I respect the fact that is a Schlumpf Gig for the most part.

The geared hub I have in mind building was a multiple speed hub, originally the ideal started with 4 speeds or more but has been reduced to 3 speeds for durability reasons, so anyways it is looking like it would have an overdrive, a 1 to 1 ratio, and a gear reduction. That is all I can say without getting every one hopes up too soon. It probably won't be out for a while if at all; but believe me i will do everything in my power to make it a reality...regardless i can't guarantee that will be cheap considering the high strength materials I will need for a final rideable project. The affordability factor should be more feasible for the dual chain.

The dual chain I am planning on producing won't be as expensive as the Schlumpf when it hits production, but neither will it be shiftable. There is a builder named Justin who built 1 with a multi-speed geared bicycle hub in between the chains, but the play in the hub was too much according to Justin....the pro to a dual chain however is customizable gear ratios that can be installed when not riding if it is built a certain way.

saskatchewanian 2017-01-23 08:27 PM

I'll be watching this tread. I really believe that competing with Schlumpf in the geared hub market would be very difficult, but there is room for jackshaft (dual chain) type setups. Especially if you can incorporate existing bike/unicycle parts.

I'm curious what you will come up with.

UniDreamerFR 2017-01-23 09:07 PM

This project reminds me This

good project, I'll follow it too.

Personally what I'd like to see coming is a 3 speeds hub with something like 1:1 ; 1:1.35 and 1:1.75, on a 29/32" wheel with a shifting lever/trigger on the handlebar.

I'd only see a 4th speed under the 1:1 ratio for 36" wheels, for uphills, I don't see the interest of a lower ratio on smaller wheels unless you want to use very short cranks, but very short cranks especially makes sens on ungeared unis, or on very light g29 wheels for road only riding.

The bikes use more accurate and efficient gears systems (thanks to the free wheel) with many gears, low to very high gear ratio, and you don't see bikers with short cranks, right?

UnimakerX 2017-01-24 12:55 AM

Not trying to compete with Schlumpf. I assume there price are a result of manufacturing cost, therefore more gears adds more complexity, more complexity adds to the chances it will break down, more chances it will break down as well as increased complexity adds to cost, and not to mention the weight. If the 3 or 4 speed hubs come true they will have there disadvantages, like currently most of the simplest designs which have a better chance of working will require a long time to get the testing phase out the way. Not to mention the reduction gear would probably be useless on normal wheels, as UnidreamerFR brought out.

No I am not a competitor; I would like to be seen as peer and not a competitor to Schlumpf if things happen to workout.

Anyways yeah, the focus will be on dual chains. I am still playing with hubs for the heck of it. I know if I am a little reluctant to spend 2 grand on the current market I doubt the majority of unicyclist would spend more, which keeps Schlumpf in it's niche ...Dual chains will be an affordable compromise I am hoping.

UnimakerX 2017-01-24 01:02 AM

I wish I could find out what all the geared bicycle hub companies are doing to figure out how they are cramming up to if not more than 14 speeds. I assume planetary gears are involved of course though.

None of the geared hub companies are really willing to share with me even if I am not going to be competition, I mean funny thing with Nuvinci is I didn't ask them to invest a penny into the project but yeah they turned me down....so that is not going to work.

UnimakerX 2017-01-24 01:07 AM

The trickiest thing is building something that won't break down or that can be manufactured with modern standard techniques and equipment. Anyways i will keep You guys (and gals) updated.

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