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weissnp 2005-03-21 07:34 PM

24" MUni vs. 26" MUni
 
Hey I was wondering what the difference was between having a 24" or 26" wheel on a MUni. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each.

Nathan

JustOneWheel 2005-03-21 08:05 PM

24" Muni's will give you a little more versatility on technical parts than a 26". But i ride a 26" and a Coker Muni. Once you master the wheel size the bigger the more speed,distance and fun. I don't feel going from a 24" to a 26" will feel much different after a short ride. But your speed and distance will both increase.

Have Fun, I do

ChangingLINKS.com 2005-03-21 08:24 PM

24"
pros:
more durability
more flexible (*extreme* trials, freestyle, urban, downhill)
3" tire (with less weight)
what the best riders ride
matches the 26" in speed

cons:
small selection of tires
less local availability (LBS)


26"
pros:
seems lighter
WIDE selection of tires
wide selection of rims
??

cons:
less durable
more weight with a cushy 3" tire

joemarshall 2005-03-21 10:18 PM

26" is faster than 24". I can just about keep up with Roger Davies on a 26" until it gets super-technical and he certainly is a bit faster than me on an equal wheel size.

26" is nicer for riding most mountain bike trails, riding singletrack etc., 24" is nicer for riding big drops, hopping up things.

I like 26" with a 2.6" tyre because I don't have a car, so I'm often riding long distances from train stations or from home. The extra 10% or so (the difference between a fat 24" and a fat 26") does increase the distance you can do in a day, which makes a bit of difference if you're wanting to do a lot of riding (40+ miles of trails in a day).

Joe

ChangingLINKS.com 2005-03-21 10:38 PM

crank length plays a role.
skill plays a role

24" and 26" can easily be equivalents in speed.
Except for the fact that tires and rims are common, I see little use for the 26" size. If you're not going to do much hopping and such might as well run the 29" :)

tholub 2005-03-21 11:15 PM

I have a 26" Yuni.

I think the question really comes down to riding style. The 24 will be better at hopping and gapping; the 26 will be better at rolling obstacles. I roll. I use a 26".

The comparison to a 29er is ludicrous; there is no similarity at all between a 29er and a 26x3.0".

TheObieOne3226 2005-03-21 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tholub
The comparison to a 29er is ludicrous; there is no similarity at all between a 29er and a 26x3.0".
Think before you attack people. The rolling diameter of a 26x3 tire is usually somewhere around 27.8-28 inches. A 29er is about 29 inches. A 29er will often feel a lot better since the wheel is so much lighter.

tholub 2005-03-22 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheObieOne3226
Think before you attack people. The rolling diameter of a 26x3 tire is usually somewhere around 27.8-28 inches. A 29er is about 29 inches. A 29er will often feel a lot better since the wheel is so much lighter.
I own both a 26x3.0" (Gazz) and a 29x2.1" (NanoRaptor); there is no similarity at all between the two of them in terms of ride characteristics. The fact that the tires are similar in diameter is almost completely irrelevant.

TheObieOne3226 2005-03-22 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tholub
I own both a 26x3.0" (Gazz) and a 29x2.1" (NanoRaptor); there is no similarity at all between the two of them in terms of ride characteristics. The fact that the tires are similar in diameter is almost completely irrelevant.
You're an overly defensive idiot, who is mistaken. CL said that if you're going to be just rolling you may as well go for a 29er, and I see merit in his point (I am aware of the smiley).

A 29er is a decent option for XC and light to mid level muni with little hopping. The more technical the riding gets, the smaller the wheel needs to be to make the riding easy.

So really a 26x3 is only 1 step below a 29er with a 2.35 tire.

Your claim is that they share no ride characteristics. That is purely subjective. They obviously share some ride characteristics (one wheel etc) but you are eliminating the ones you think are insignifigant. This is where discretion comes in. You may think they ride nothing alike, but they are more similar than 29er and coker or 29er and 20''. It's just that your opinion is different from everyone elses.

tholub 2005-03-22 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheObieOne3226
You're an overly defensive idiot, who is mistaken. CL said that if you're going to be just rolling you may as well go for a 29er, and I see merit in his point (I am aware of the smiley).

A 29er is a decent option for XC and light to mid level muni with little hopping. The more technical the riding gets, the smaller the wheel needs to be to make the riding easy.

So really a 26x3 is only 1 step below a 29er with a 2.35 tire.

Your claim is that they share no ride characteristics. That is purely subjective. They obviously share some ride characteristics (one wheel etc) but you are eliminating the ones you think are insignifigant. This is where discretion comes in. You may think they ride nothing alike, but they are more similar than 29er and coker or 29er and 20''. It's just that your opinion is different from everyone elses.

The original poster is asking for the difference between a 24" and a 26" MUni. Therefore, at least he believes that those things are similar enough to want to choose between them. It is realistic to expect so, since they are in the same category on unicycle.com, and they are viewed in the same way by the riders. At Moab, 80% of the riders are on 24" wheels, 20% are on 26" wheels, and maybe 1% will be on 29" wheels or Cokers. (OK, I rode Moab on a 29er in 2003, but I bent a crank and taco'ed the wheel). For 24 Hours at Laguna Seca, all the riders are on 29ers or Cokers; you won't see 24" or 26" wheels, except perhaps for night laps.

Obviously you can ride a 29er off-road, and it's just great for some things. The things it is great for are totally different than the things a 26x3.0" MUni is good for. Again, I'm speaking as someone who has put in hundreds of miles on both.

So I am trying to correct some advice that is not only bad, but is ignorant of the question being asked and the distinction being made.

innes 2005-03-22 01:35 AM

Wow! This has got a few people going hasn't it?

Calm down Guy's

Anyway, to the question:

I have a 26" Pashley, and I am planning on getting a 24" Kris Holm hopefully next month (If they are in stock by then).

I am planning a change for a few reasons; one is that I am climbing steeper hills now, so I want a better climbing ratio. I also wanted an upgrade, and 24" seems to have more choice of number of unicycles to choose from than 26".

I am planning the Freeride Kris Holm 24", for the bigger tyre, and longer cranks, and the Kris Holm will give me the option of fitting a brake. Not many 26" unicycles give an option of brake mounts.

I am hoping that the 24" with a 3" tyre will still roll over bumps and tree roots.

Innes

weissnp 2005-03-22 04:33 AM

Thanks everyone for the info. Also Tholub check your math skills, 80% + 20% +1% = 101% that doesn't work right ;)

elmer 2005-03-22 05:49 AM

24" vs 26"
 
You know how a picture is worth a thousand words? Well, riding one of each would be worth a million. If you come to Moab, I'll let you try out my 24" Wilder and a 26" Yuni. Both are great for certain things, but they're very different.

Most experienced riders agree, however, that a 24" MUni works better in most MUni situations. I certainly do feel that way. But, it's a personal decision that should be made with consideration given to where and how you tend to ride. Good luck!

ChangingLINKS.com 2005-03-22 05:57 AM

Rather than argue back and forth about inches (especially since mine is longer anyway :o ) perhaps tholub will enlighten us all on the *significant* differences in riding characteristics between a 26" and a 29" while keeping in mind his quotes:

1. "there is no similarity at all between the two of them in terms of ride characteristics."
2. "the 26 will be better at rolling obstacles. I roll."


I think the root of this conflict is skill.
Even though tholub claims to have ridden hundreds of miles on both wheel sizes, I recall an observation:

For those who can't ride very well, equipment makes all the difference. a carbon fiber seat, a millimeter in crank length, a single pound of weight, .4 inches of tire width, 2" of diameter, the amount of sh*t in the intestines and bloodstream, and the average heart rate on Wednesday.

For those who can ride . . . Well, let me stop right there: Observe several Kris Holm clips where he uses a 26" to do trials at a level beyond 99% of the 20" riders. In contrast, the better riders rarely (if ever) whine about minor equipment differences.





With that . . .
I retract my request for clarification from tholub. After reasonable consideration, I realize that his opinions about minor changes in attributes - simply don't matter.


Back on topic:

Original weissnp question:
"Hey I was wondering what the difference was between having a 24" or 26" wheel on a MUni. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each.
Nathan"

At MOAB I noticed that the the best riders were on 24".
The benefit to riding a 24" is obvious - you get to take advantage of the insight of the greatest riders. Otherwise, you may end up *short* (pun intended) and . . .


. . . posting comments and personal attacks like tholub.

mscalisi 2005-03-22 07:41 AM

Hey guys, you really need to take a breather before you respond with such scathing messages. Tom used the word ludicrious as an adjective to describe a comparison. ...maybe a little strong of an adjective, but still nothing close to the downright hateful stuff you guys came back with.

You guys responded with personal attacks. That's really not cool, and it happens way too often here.

Especially when you're calling someone an idiot and insulting their skill for describing their personal experiences and riding style (just because you hop everything, it doesn't mean you're more skillful than someone who can roll the same obstacles), especially when you don't even counter with your own experiences.


Having ridden all three styles of unicycles (yesterday actually), I can say that I would offer almost the exact same opinions as Tom. Of COURSE it's subjective. Opinions always are.

A true debate would be interesting. Having differing opinions and experiences would help everybody see different perspectives.

Insults and name calling are base and have no place here.

Seriously people, raise the standard around here a little.


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