Wrongfuly banned.

[unicycledood]

Righto, wheres Gilby so I can get an apology for me being wrongfuly banned?

He dosn't reply to emails.

[GizmoDuck]

He does, but he takes a long time. :cool:

You can give him your 2c worth at Unicon, but he's smarter than you and I, so he'll probably turn it into the next tinyurl or something.

[tomblackwood]

Righto, wheres Gilby so I can get an apology for me being wrongfuly banned?
Maybe it is you who should apologize to him for not clicking the "donate" link recently (or ever?), to help support this service you feel so strongly you deserve. Stop whining, son.

[unicycledood]

Maybe it is you who should apologize to him for not clicking the "donate" link recently (or ever?), to help support this service you feel so strongly you deserve. Stop whining, son.

Oh wow ahahaha, banned for not donating. Well I suppose thats fair. Forgot to read the fine print when I joined this forum.

Stop preaching, pops.

As "smart" as Gilby maybe, he needs to learn a few things about running a forum. I was banned because Gilby tracked the IP address that my friend was using, Gilby saw I had previously loged onto unicyclist using this IP and assumed that I made a fake account. When in fact, it was my friend that made an account for fun. (I had nothing to do with it, unicyclist was in his history and he had a browse) Honest mistake? I suppose. Just hope it dosn't happen again. Ever.

[Jerrick]

Eh, if I was banned, deserving or not, id just laugh and carry on.

No point for me to take it seriously or be offended by it.

[Zzagg]

Just hope it dosn't happen again. Ever.If I were running a shop and you came in to buy some stuff, showing such an attitude, I would kick you out. I wouldn't want any money from someone like you.
I admire Gilby's patience: you're still able to post 'round here, for free.
Nobody owes you nothing around here, chill out and please refrain your expectations.

[unicycledood]

Sigh. Well I just wanted to let people know why I was banned. Being a sponsored rider, I didn't want people thinking I actually did do anything wrong.

[BillyTheMountain]

Oh wow ahahaha, banned for not donating. Well I suppose thats fair. Forgot to read the fine print when I joined this forum.

Stop preaching, pops.

You weren't banned for not donating.:cool:

But like real life, those who donate get away with a LOT more than those who don't. :p It makes sense to think twice before banning a major donor, right?:p

I think you should be banned for calling Tom Blackwood "pops.":p

[unibikeling]

Eh, if I was banned, deserving or not, id just laugh and carry on.

No point for me to take it seriously or be offended by it.

i HAVE been banned, multiple times.


praise lord Gilby, we thank you for the networking, we thank you for all things related to unicycling on the internet (minus flow)

[MuniOrBust]

If I were running a shop and you came in to buy some stuff, showing such an attitude, I would kick you out. I wouldn't want any money from someone like you.


If I were running a shop and you came in to buy some stuff, showing such an attitude, I would try to see your point of view and ease the situation. I would gladly take any money from someone like you.

I'm not trying to contradict you personally Zzagg... I'm just often torn between the two attitudes we demonstrated above. And I sometimes do choose yours.

But if it pays to deal with someone you disagree with or don't like, then maybe it's worth the grief.

[ħǻřрέŗ]

Sigh. Well I just wanted to let people know why I was banned. Being a sponsored rider, I didn't want people thinking I actually did do anything wrong.

It's easy to understand why you were banned. It's difficult to understand why you were sponsored.

[Gilby]

I was banned because Gilby tracked the IP address that my friend was using, Gilby saw I had previously loged onto unicyclist using this IP and assumed that I made a fake account. When in fact, it was my friend that made an account for fun.
I hope you pwned him good then.

[Mikefule]

Gilby provides a service for the whole unicycle community. If he wants to ban someone, they can always set up their own forum and make it available to the whole unicycle community. Surely that would be a more constructive response than bleating?

All hail Gilby.:)

[habbywall]

Can we have a vote if he should be rebanned?

[Mikefule]

Can we have a vote if he should be rebanned?

First, let's vote if "rebanned" is a word.;)

[maestro8]

Being a sponsored rider, I didn't want people thinking I actually did do anything wrong.

Being a sponsored rider, you've got a greater responsibility as to how you conduct yourself in public. After all, you don't just represent unicycledood.

However, it seems you think nothing of this responsibility. Nor do you think much of unicycledood, the way you're representing him.

If you wouldn't act like a complete a** on these fora, we wouldn't suspect that you did anything wrong.

But you do, and so we do.

[Mikefule]

on these fora

If you must insist on "fora" then, please, "in" not "on".;)

[maestro8]

If you must insist on "fora" then, please, "in" not "on".;)

The only thing I insist on is how much ice is served with my scotch.

And I don't want him "in" our forums, 'cause then we'd have to throw him out. I'd prefer to have him "on" our forums, so we can kick him off!

[dudewithasock]

omg gaiz i cant believ how stuppid gilbi is, i men lol, he bnned unicyleduud 4 nuthin??!1/ lolol ahahaha noob

[unicycledood]

You guys is jerks, ima go cry now

pl0x 2 nawt bun me agen kthnxbai^.^

It's easy to understand why you were banned. It's difficult to understand why you were sponsored.

Jew r nub

Being a sponsored rider, you've got a greater responsibility as to how you conduct yourself in public. After all, you don't just represent unicycledood.

However, it seems you think nothing of this responsibility. Nor do you think much of unicycledood, the way you're representing him.

If you wouldn't act like a complete a** on these fora, we wouldn't suspect that you did anything wrong.

But you do, and so we do.

I havn't broken any rules (on these forums or off(besides of course the occasional broken piece of public property, what do u expect from a street rider)).

Sue me :D

[ħǻřрέŗ]

You guys is jerks, ima go cry now

pl0x 2 nawt bun me agen kthnxbai^.^



Jew r nub



I havn't broken any rules (on these forums or off(besides of course the occasional broken piece of public property, what do u expect from a street rider)).

Sue me

I think the point here is that there are sponsored riders who exhibit greatness, not only as riders, but also as individuals as well as ambassadors of the sport of unicycling. There are sponsored riders who exhibit greatness in their ability to articulate and as such shed only a positive light on unicycling and its participants. They are also people of remarkable integrity in some cases and do not flippantly take to task opposing views or actions because they somehow find them disagreeable. To solicit a public apology from a rider who also happens to selflessly provide this forum in which you may express your views, for inadvertently (or not) preventing the expression of said views within the bounds of his medium, exists in a stratum somewhat beneath greatness. You are scuttling an opportunity to elevate yourself toward this end. The prudent individual would think about what's going on here and stop now. The choice is yours.

[GizmoDuck]

I think the point here is that there are sponsored riders who exhibit greatness, not only as riders, but also as individuals as well as ambassadors of the sport of unicycling. There are sponsored riders who exhibit greatness in their ability to articulate and as such shed only a positive light on unicycling and its participants. They are also people of remarkable integrity in some cases and do not flippantly take to task opposing views or actions because they somehow find them disagreeable. To solicit a public apology from a rider who also happens to selflessly provide this forum in which you may express your views, for inadvertently (or not) preventing the expression of said views within the bounds of his medium, exists in a stratum somewhat beneath greatness. You are scuttling an opportunity to elevate yourself toward this end. The prudent individual would think about what's going on here and stop now. The choice is yours.

You sound like my lawyer :rolleyes:

[BillyTheMountain]

All hail Gilby.:)

Being a sponsored rider, you've got a greater responsibility as to how you conduct yourself in public. After all, you don't just represent unicycledood.

However, it seems you think nothing of this responsibility. Nor do you think much of unicycledood, the way you're representing him.

If you wouldn't act like a complete a** on these fora, we wouldn't suspect that you did anything wrong.

But you do, and so we do.

C'mon Maestro8,

You sound like a high school teacher. Sponsored riders are like rock starz, like the Olympic Gold Medal winning snowboarders who were high on marijuana while competing, and who act wild off the slopes too.:cool:

You think people are telling Marilyn Manson and Rage: "You are a role model! Think about your responsibility!"?????:p

:confused:It's difficult to understand why you were sponsored.:confused::confused:

Greg,

We know you have difficulty understanding simple things. :p

If you want, we will take the time to explain.:p

I still recall your UNICON pout-fest when you found out a certain someone was sponsored and not you.:p

[ħǻřрέŗ]

You sound like my lawyer.

Why would a competent physician need an attorney?

Do you still hold the hour record? It's been days, now.

[ħǻřрέŗ]

Greg,

I still recall your UNICON pout-fest when you found out a certain someone was sponsored and not you.

You're rubbing salt into an open wound. I'll never get over that heinous slight on behalf of the unicycling community.

[BillyTheMountain]

Apologies for that.:o

You was robbed!;)

[uni57]

Chris, I was just about to start a thread to ask what happened to you (or maybe ask around in MR).

I know you don't like me because of my omnivorous ways, but I'm glad you are back. The vegetarian thread just wouldn't be the same without you. When I saw that you were banned, I thought you were gone. It was sad (I didn't realize it was temporary). And strangely enough, I'm being serious. Welcome back.

[GILD]

Just hope it dosn't happen again. Ever.

Hang on, are you threatening Gilby now?

It's easy to understand why you were banned. It's difficult to understand why you were sponsored.

+1

[Jeremy R]

A wise man in a village long ago was barred on penalty of death should he return from the land for his crimes. He was accused of stealing a neighbors chicken. Whilst he did not commit these crimes, and knew who did, he excepted the ultimatum, and left. He did this as he had recalled the strong advice of the uncle who raised him after his parents were eaten by ravenous wilder-beasts. The advice was, "just suck it up". The wise man sucked it up, and left. A month later, after the tension died down, the man returned. While he was banished, he had contemplated two things. First was an apology to the poor one legged lady whose chicken was stolen. As he strolled into the village, the guards immediately went for him. He proclaimed, "Let me speak!". The guards denied him, but soon a chant from the other villagers of, "LET HIM SPEAK, LET HIM SPEAK" powerfully arose. The guards eventually gave in, and the wise man walked to the victim of the robbery. He apologised for the stealing of the chickens. He did not place any blame yet. Second, was who had stolen the chicken. A wise man always knows that he should always directly explain to the highest, or wisest man. He explained passionately, "While I cannot prove I did not steal the chicken, I can tell you who did. The Unwise fool who I shared a house with, ******* stole the chickens. I have booted him from my house, and he will not bother the poor one legged lady again. You have my word."

The wisest man in the village, who also was in charge, apologised to him for the wrongful accusations, and then reinstated him as a citizen. The Wisest man said, "Slightly less wise man, you are all the more wise as you have taken a proper course of action. May you serve as an example to all."


Of course, everyone except the wise men forgot this, but they preach it as often as they can.


* Name omitted, this is a true story.

[Jeremy R]

Video or it didn't happen.

:p
No, you are mistaken. There was picture evidence.
His name picture was slashed, and banned title.

[Jeremy R]

We will have to refer to Gilby, the ultimate source for the forums.

[Jeremy R]

Gliby pays for the forums. Without that source money, the forums wouldn't exist.



Gilby is the ultimate source of the forums.

[Wheel Rider]

First, let's vote if "rebanned" is a word.;)

I think Reban used to be a brand of sunglasses. :rolleyes:

[surfer1024]

this thread is llllooollll

[idiorythmic]

Gliby pays for the forums. Without that source money, the forums wouldn't exist.

Wait, wait, what? (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80580)

[Mikefule]

Wait, wait, what? (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80580)

And how many people actually donate, and how many people donate regularly?

I know this debate is all in good fun, but be careful not to tweak Gilby's nose too much. He provides this forum, whether a few of us contribute or not. We should all be grateful.

All hail Gilby.:)

[BillyTheMountain]

All hail Gilby.:)

YOu must pay in taxes or in praise!

All praise Gilby!!!

[Unicaw89]

It's easy to understand why you were banned. It's difficult to understand why you were sponsored.


I say he was sponsored for his talents and the ablility to use these skills to push our own riders, and to promote our sport. Chris is an extremely talented rider and one of the best in our sport of extreme unicycling. I dont care how he portays himself, and represents unicycledood on these forums. What matters more is how he portays himself and represents this sport to the public. He is a pretty upbeat guy, and a good competitor. Granted he should be a little more tactful with his words online. But we still need to respect someone for the advancements they are making in our sport.

Edit: PRAISe GILBY!!!

[idiorythmic]

I know this debate is all in good fun, but be careful not to tweak Gilby's nose too much. He provides this forum, whether a few of us contribute or not. We should all be grateful.

I didn't mean to be tweaking Gilby's nose, if I did I apologize for that. I suspect all this HAIL business makes him cringe just a little.

[Mikefule]

I suspect all this HAIL business makes him cringe just a little.

Unless of course he understands British irony.

[monkeyman]

What is this hailing business everyone keeps speaking of? Is it like stoning?

[GILD]

Only if you're stoned.

[monkeyman]

so...all stone Gilby?

[Into the blue]

so...all stone Gilby?

You turn up from years in the wilderness with that?!

You said you were only going out for pizza.
That was 2007.

[monkeyman]

I wanted Hawaiian pizza, and I had to swim.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Only if you're stoned.

everybody must get stoned

[uni57]

What is this hailing business everyone keeps speaking of? Is it like stoning?He's back!

[unicycledood]

Hang on, are you threatening Gilby now?

Sorry what did I say wrong?

I hope it never EVER happens again.

Better? Or do I have to use it in another context, one that you twist to make me look like the bad guy?

:D

[GILD]

Oh wow ahahaha, banned for not donating. Well I suppose thats fair. Forgot to read the fine print when I joined this forum.

Stop preaching, pops.

As "smart" as Gilby maybe, he needs to learn a few things about running a forum. I was banned because Gilby tracked the IP address that my friend was using, Gilby saw I had previously loged onto unicyclist using this IP and assumed that I made a fake account. When in fact, it was my friend that made an account for fun. (I had nothing to do with it, unicyclist was in his history and he had a browse) Honest mistake? I suppose. Just hope it dosn't happen again. Ever.

QFT.

I highlighted the relevant quote.

There a mild difference between:

"I hope it never happens again."

and

"Just hope it dosn't (sic) happen again. Ever."

My question stands, are you threatening Gilby?

[unicycledood]

Jesus Crist!!!!! Your on my naughty list mate. You obviously just have it in for me and I'm not liking it.

I hope that Gilby dosn't make the same mistake and wrongfuly bans me or anyone else EVER again.

No, sir. It is not a threat.

Its called hope.

Now... get off my back? and welcome to my ignore list.

[hobo_chuck]

Isn't that about the same as a ban?

I nominate this thread. You know what for.

[GILD]

No amount of faux posturing is going to change your initial quote.
But I appreciate the fact that you've backed off from that position and now declare that you're not threatening Gilby.

Now I need Maestro to help me with the attention-whore flowchart, I need to figure out where on that continuum the 'announce X is on your ignore list' fits in.

[unicycledood]

Bite me :D

[hobo_chuck]

where?

[unicycledood]

Not you :)

But,

Bite me :)

[joeking36]

old people hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaha.....

Chris is a good rider thats why he's sponsored, he brings more good to these forums than bad..
gives feedback to alot of riders which is good especially from a rider as experienced as himself..... You dont see alot of major sponsored riders doing alot of that on here.
this is like cyclist versus BMX rider, although we have the same amount of wheels its a completely different sport (assuming they dont ride street), obviously we have different views on life and different veiws on whats appropriate. I know I've said some offensive things on these forums I think half the problem is the way people read it.
and as far a misrepresenting KH. whos gonna stop buying that uni? and the rest of the world hasnt heard of it.

[Hazmat]

Can't we all just get along, regardless of whether unicycledood did or didn't do anything wrong???

I think we should move on and close this thread. :D

[hobo_chuck]

When was the last time Gilby closed a thread on these forums?

[Jerrick]

The whole "ever" thing is dumb. Get over it.

[Mikefule]

On Concertina.net, two threads were closed in two days recently because of bickering, and comments about the forum providers. We unicyclists should know how lucky we are.

[maestro8]

When was the last time Gilby closed a thread on these forums?

I had a thread closed (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58491) with no reason, no explanation.

I had posted a couple threads in "Requests, bugs, etc." to which Gilby never replied.

The man works (or doesn't work) in mysterious ways.

[unibikeling]

I had a thread closed (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58491) with no reason, no explanation.

I had posted a couple threads in "Requests, bugs, etc." to which Gilby never replied.

The man works (or doesn't work) in mysterious ways.

you being the OP is enough of a reason to close it.

[maestro8]

you being the OP is enough of a reason to close it.

He who lives in a glass house...

[Jeremy R]

He who lives in a glass house...
Goes through a bottle of windex pretty quickly?

[Hazmat]

When was the last time Gilby closed a thread on these forums?
Its been a while, but Gilby has done it. :D

[SkierAlex]

Why don't all you old men find something better to do. Honestly, don't you have anything better to do think up every possible way Chris is wrong on the forums? Surely there's a more interesting distance riding thread or something you can post in.

If Chris was wrongfully banned I think it's fair that he gets an apology. This probably isn't the appropriate place but if Gilby didn't reply to his emails Chris had to get a response here (which he did).

Personally I think we need a couple of moderators. Anyone resonably active and responsible, just not harper, maestro or gild.

kthxbai

[SkierAlex]

Hang on, are you threatening Gilby now?



+1

lol He wasn't threatening him. And I'm sure Kris Holm would rather sponsor an amazing street rider who regularly posts videos and is part of the unicycle community on here than some old man who spends most of his time criticising others in JC.

[GILD]

just not harper, maestro or gild.


I guess one in three isn't too bad.

[unicycledood]

Alex earns the "Chris Fan of the Day Award".

:D

Oh yeah and too clear things up. I was wrongfully banned. The reason for my ban was "creating fake accounts" which I had nothing to do with.

[maestro8]

Taken from the "KH20 Flatland uni project (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80665)" thread...
Is uni basketball actually a seious sport? I thought it was just something to do for the sake of it.
I wouldnt really compare it to street flat trials or muni... the 4 leading styles in unicycling (obviously).

Yet again, the unicyclist community scratches its collective head and asks, is this really who we want representing our sport?

It's one thing to demonstrate some level of cluelessness about a sport which you've been hired to represent, but it's an entirely different thing to marginalize a group within your own community.

Just because your fanboys jump in to defend you doesn't mean you're doing something right. You may have their support, but posts like these alienate you (and your fanboys) from the rest of the community... and in a community as small as ours, the last thing you want to do is create a rift.

[unicycledood]

Hmmm? Whats the problem? Yeah I know nothing about uni basketball. Never seen a game of it in my life. Enlighten me?

I've never seen a game of it. Its definitely doing nothing for the sport in NZ. (unlike street, flatland, trials, muni and a bit of freestyle)

And I'm pretty sure all I've done is alienated myself from anyone over 25... (lolfulcopta)

kthnxbai

(wow i've really lost all temper with you guys)

[Julia B]

Until I went to NAUCC I had no idea about unicycle hockey/basketball either. It's not very surprising if you think about it. There are no hockey/basketball specific unicycles, and I don't think I've ever seen a thread about it. No videos either. If your gonna get all upset when people don't know about it, you should at least try to give it more exposure.

[ezas]

Taken from the "KH20 Flatland uni project (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80665)" thread...



Yet again, the unicyclist community scratches its collective head and asks, is this really who we want representing our sport?

It's one thing to demonstrate some level of cluelessness about a sport which you've been hired to represent, but it's an entirely different thing to marginalize a group within your own community.

Just because your fanboys jump in to defend you doesn't mean you're doing something right. You may have their support, but posts like these alienate you (and your fanboys) from the rest of the community... and in a community as small as ours, the last thing you want to do is create a rift.

Maestro, I don't always 'enjoy' all your posts, but in my opinion you hit the fricken nail on the head with this one.

[dudewithasock]

lolololololol

[SirSkillz]

Taken from the "KH20 Flatland uni project (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80665)" thread...



Yet again, the unicyclist community scratches its collective head and asks, is this really who we want representing our sport?

It's one thing to demonstrate some level of cluelessness about a sport which you've been hired to represent, but it's an entirely different thing to marginalize a group within your own community.

Just because your fanboys jump in to defend you doesn't mean you're doing something right. You may have their support, but posts like these alienate you (and your fanboys) from the rest of the community... and in a community as small as ours, the last thing you want to do is create a rift.

I think his first question was 100% legitimate, with no concealed sarcasm or rudeness. If no one around him is doing unicycle basketball or hockey and very few people are posting internet videos, how should he know about it? He could find out by asking here, on the forums. That's what he did. And then some people take offense, and start an argument.

That's how I see it. All information I believe is factual. And I feel stupid for contributing to the argument.
:D

[unicycledood]

Thaaaank you. Tholubs just sensative. I've learnt that in the past.

[GizmoDuck]

I think this thread is heading into the gutter.

I've met many of you posting on here, and others I've known for years on the forum. Most of you are nice people (believe it or not :)), and I think you'd be surprised when you do meet. And you will...at Unicon (*I can see who's registered ;))

The thing that I like about unicycling which is lost in bicycling is that all the different disciplines come together. If you looked at Road Cycling and Mountainbiking...they're essentially different sports, with different world championship events. Bike trials and Track cycling are dwarfed by road, and BMX often get's forgotten even though it's now an Olympic sport.

Unicycling is getting so specialised that it can head down that way, but I think that would be a real shame. Many people do more than on thing (eg Trials and Freestyle, or Street and Road). One of the top trials riders I know can more than hold his own in a unicycle road race.

It's what makes unicycling special. Do whatever style you enjoy, but what's the point of comparing them? It would be like saying Swimming is a more interesting sport than Running; or Cricket is better than Rugby.

[johnfoss]

If no one around him is doing unicycle basketball or hockey and very few people are posting internet videos, how should he know about it?Really? Are those the only two viable ways to learn about stuff these days? There are plenty of photographs out there, even just on my own online albums (Unicons back to X). Some basketball and hockey pictures.

But more importantly, one should realize that if you live in a country that did not pioneer the various aspects of unicycling that are played at Unicon, it does not mean they are meaningless or unimportant. If you live in Japan there are basically two kinds of unicycling, Freestyle and Track. Very little else. And they are both way bigger than all the other unicycle competitions in the world put together, so who's to say they aren't the most important?

Besides me. :)

[Denali]

I'm with Ken on this (I haven't read the entire thread and its obvious there have been many threadjacks).

While 2 wheel cycling is sometimes elitist and you gotta wear this and that and have this and that to fit it, unicycling is/was different. And that's one great thing about it.

I was introduced to unicycling through unicycle hockey. I have never played basketball but it obviously takes skill and hence, I respect the guys that play. If a unicyclist doesn't know about these genres its not because of bad marketing, its because you don't open the threads that have info about them and there are tons on unicycling hockey clubs that don't post on the forums. As a unicyclist, I'd respect all genres and would expect the same from other unicyclists.

P.S. I'm one month shy of 25 so I'd fit in the in-between category in the age debate. And if you think uni-hockey is not as extreme as some of the other genres, there is a guy in Singapore who has a metal plate in his hip because of me and unicycle hockey :)

[unicycledood]

there is a guy in Singapore who has a metal plate in his hip because of me and unicycle hockey :)

John can prove that simply riding a unicycle is extreme :p

[GizmoDuck]

I was introduced to unicycling through unicycle hockey. I have never played basketball but it obviously takes skill and hence, I respect the guys that play. If a unicyclist doesn't know about these genres its not because of bad marketing, its because you don't open the threads that have info about them and there are tons on unicycling hockey clubs that don't post on the forums. As a unicyclist, I'd respect all genres and would expect the same from other unicyclists.


And don't forget Flaming puck hockey :p

There is more to unicycling than videos you see on the internet. As John said, most people in Japan only ever do Freestyle or Track Racing...and there are more unicyclists in Japan than probably the rest of the world combined.

As for extreme...for some it's doing a 6ft+ drop.

For others it's screaming down a hill at 45km/hr or riding 100milies in a day.

I challenge anyone to break more bones than I have in Unicycling...and that's as a road racer/MUni rider.


P.S. I'm one month shy of 25 so I'd fit in the in-between category in the age debate. And if you think uni-hockey is not as extreme as some of the other genres, there is a guy in Singapore who has a metal plate in his hip because of me and unicycle hockey :)


Age is only relevant to what you do. For Freestyle, which is by far the biggest discipline in Unicycling...by the time you hit your late teens you're already past your prime :) Kind of like gymnastics.

For XC MUni and road racing...most people peak in their late twenties/early 30's.

[GizmoDuck]

And don't forget Flaming puck hockey :p

As for extreme...for some it's doing a 6ft+ drop.

For others it's screaming down a hill at 45km/hr or riding 100milies in a day.


And I forgot to add, people who unicycle solo across Australia are also a teeny weeny bit extreme.

Or just silly ;)

Where are you now Sid?

[joeking36]

Taken from the "KH20 Flatland uni project (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80665)" thread...



Yet again, the unicyclist community scratches its collective head and asks, is this really who we want representing our sport?

It's one thing to demonstrate some level of cluelessness about a sport which you've been hired to represent, but it's an entirely different thing to marginalize a group within your own community.

Just because your fanboys jump in to defend you doesn't mean you're doing something right. You may have their support, but posts like these alienate you (and your fanboys) from the rest of the community... and in a community as small as ours, the last thing you want to do is create a rift.


you're a dickhead mate.

[GILD]

you're a dickhead mate.

Fabulous way to advance the discussion there Joe.

'Bring 'em down to your level and then beat them with experience', eh?

[Denali]

I challenge anyone to break more bones than I have in Unicycling...and that's as a road racer/MUni rider.

That's a record I hope no one breaks.

[unicycledood]

Yet again, the unicyclist community scratches its collective head and asks, is this really who we want representing our sport?

It's one thing to demonstrate some level of cluelessness about a sport which you've been hired to represent-

I like how you talk about me as if I'm the only one representing us. Does wonders for my ego.

Ok sorry, what???? I ride street/flat. I was sponsored to represent KH in the street/flat community and the general public. Not basketball. Have you been sponsored by KH? Have you read the fine print of the sponsorship agreement? Do you even know what your talking about?

[GILD]

Miss Ayelery?

[Pigs on Unicycles]

Basically you are the stariotipical ass that I hate dealing with in the customer service world. You are all uptight because you are a sponsored rider that needs things perfectly right because no one can see him do anything wrong. Just chill out, you make mistakes, Gilby makes mistakes. It is human nature. Just chill out and take a deep breath. You are one of the people that make this world such a stressed out place.


Have a great day,

Gene

[Mikefule]

Come on folks, we all ride these things for fun and come here to make friends.

[Jerrick]

Come on folks, we all ride these things for fun and come here to make friends.

Yeah, but its fun to watch people trying to make Chris out as the bad guy.

[unicycledood]

Basically you are the stariotipical ass that I hate dealing with in the customer service world. You are all uptight because you are a sponsored rider that needs things perfectly right because no one can see him do anything wrong. Just chill out, you make mistakes, Gilby makes mistakes. It is human nature. Just chill out and take a deep breath. You are one of the people that make this world such a stressed out place.


Have a great day,

Gene

Okidokie.

You need to chill and also read the whole thread. Yes gilby made the mistake and its all in the past now, that was put behind us. Then this thread became about reasons why I should be banned. Being sponsored, being blamed for something I havn't done... looks incredibley bad. (obviously I do care SOMEWHAT about the reputation of "unicycledood")

Anyone that has met/ridden with me will know I'm one of the most chilled out people that exists. I'm not uptight at all and I don't need anything to be perfect, not my tire pressure nor my spoke tension, the people I ride with, or the way old people see me on the forums. Plenty of people see me doing things wrong and I've been surprised with a few things I've gotten away with to be honest. :)

So take your hate speeches else where, good sir.

[_Ground_Zero_]

It seems like there's not a thread left in which it doesn't become a debate about Chris or Jeremy.

At least they're kinda entertaining.

For the most part, I'm with Chris on this one.

[dudewithasock]

Who's Chris?

[MuniOrBust]

I'm 3 months into unicycling. I'm a 33 years OLD, and most of you can probably ride circles around me.

I don't plan on buying any new uni's for a while. But sometime in the next year I hope to be worthy of a higher end ride. When I am, I'll be damned if I'll be buying from a brand that thinks it's ok to be disrespectful.

I don't care what any sponsorship agreements say or don't say. Represent.

[unicycledood]

I hope your seeing the bigger picture in this debate. Not just listening to what the more mature riders are telling you.

The only people I've "disrespected" are people that have disrespected me and pushed my buttons.

Can only push a lad so far.

[justtysen]

For Freestyle, which is by far the biggest discipline in Unicycling...by the time you hit your late teens you're already past your prime :) Kind of like gymnastics.
I think the demands of freestyle unicycling are very different from gymnastics. Much less stressful on the body and I imagine one could do it longer through life.

[Rowan]

Good on ya Chris for having such patience with everyone!
I've known Christian for a while now and I have a lot of respect for him and would never expect him to want to be banned from a place that he loves to share in. I'm very proud to have influenced Christian in picking up a unicycle- although he has far surpassed me in tricks/skills. He has a unique sense of humour just like the rest of you unicycling weirdos, and if you can't detect when he uses sarcasm then you really should take everything less seriously!
Maybe it is you who should apologize to him for not clicking the "donate" link recently (or ever?), to help support this service you feel so strongly you deserve. Stop whining, son.I donated enough for me and Christian both, and he donated more than just money to the forum. Since when has it been about money anyway? Your sarcasm is quite funny, but maybe Christian didn't read it as sarcasm and took it personally- resulting in the "pops" response which I think is appropriate given the silliness of your "son" comment.
I hope you pwned him good then.
For those who didn't read the entire thread this comment is important cos it's close to an apology from Gilby- he's admitting Christian didn't do wrong and the mistake was made due to IP addresses or something.



You need to chill and also read the whole thread. Yes gilby made the mistake and its all in the past now, that was put behind us. Then this thread became about reasons why I should be banned. Being sponsored, being blamed for something I havn't done... looks incredibley bad. (obviously I do care SOMEWHAT about the reputation of "unicycledood")

Anyone that has met/ridden with me will know I'm one of the most chilled out people that exists. I'm not uptight at all and I don't need anything to be perfect, not my tire pressure nor my spoke tension, the people I ride with, or the way old people see me on the forums. I agree Christian! Your agressive unicycling style is not chilled out but you are peaceful and friendly to animals and humans alike. Anyone with something bad to say about Christian, please save it til after you've met him and say it to his face rather than flaming his words on here...

Taken from the "KH20 Flatland uni project" thread...



Yet again, the unicyclist community scratches its collective head and asks, is this really who we want representing our sport?

It's one thing to demonstrate some level of cluelessness about a sport which you've been hired to represent, but it's an entirely different thing to marginalize a group within your own community.

Just because your fanboys jump in to defend you doesn't mean you're doing something right. You may have their support, but posts like these alienate you (and your fanboys) from the rest of the community... and in a community as small as ours, the last thing you want to do is create a rift.You are not the collective head of the Unicyclist community.. Shut up- and I agree with JoeKing in his response! Stop being so disrespectful and show some manners! Christian deserved the apology he got for being banned! Where is your sense of humour?

Ignorance can be treated with information rather than such harsh criticism. If you think someone is an alien from the community it is you Maestro! I'm with Chris- he's all good!

[Michaelgoround]

I like Cheerios.

[hobo_chuck]

The other day I laughed a bit too hard while eating cheerios and inhaled a whole mouthful.

It wouldn't have been so bad if they had been whole, since I would have been able to catch most of them in the throat and cough them out before they reached the lungs, but I had chewed them into a fine powder and they went right in. I think I've gotten all of them out now, though.

[Rowan]

The other day I laughed a bit too hard while eating cheerios and inhaled a whole mouthful.

It wouldn't have been so bad if they had been whole, since I would have been able to catch most of them in the throat and cough them out before they reached the lungs, but I had chewed them into a fine powder and they went right in. I think I've gotten all of them out now, though.I had to look Cheerios up to find out that it is cereal. I thought Cheerios were cocktail sausages, chewed into a fine powder! Somebody flame me for my ignorance!

[Michaelgoround]

I had to look Cheerios up to find out that it is cereal. I thought Cheerios were cocktail sausages, chewed into a fine powder! Somebody flame me for my ignorance!
I take it they do not have Cheerios in new Zealand!?

[MuniOrBust]

I hope your seeing the bigger picture in this debate. Not just listening to what the more mature riders are telling you.

The only people I've "disrespected" are people that have disrespected me and pushed my buttons.

Can only push a lad so far.

My comment had nothing to do with you being wrongfully banned. It sounds like that's resolved. A mistake was made and fixed. It's all good.

I saw some disrespect on Kris's KH20 Flatland uni project thread towards tholub that bothered me a lot. At this point, it doesn't make sense to keep threadjacking that thread, so I'll post my comments here.

Is uni basketball actually a seious sport? I thought it was just something to do for the sake of it.
But i just figured its the kind of thing you only do for a giggle. Like slow races and other silly things. I wouldnt really compare it to street flat trials or muni... the 4 leading styles in unicycling (obviously). Extreme unicycling is leading us into the future and getting us more publicity then anything. Not clowning around. Unicycle basketball and hockey... its like... "oooh look at me, i can do what you can do, but on a unicycle! Arn't I awesome!

I'm assuming what you are trying to do here is help Kris by pointing out that it might not make good business sense to weigh the needs of a less popular style of unicycling as heavily as the needs of the street, flat, trials, and muni riders. Of course this makes sense, though I can only assume uni-basketball is not as popular.

But the way you chose to make your statement comes off as disrespectful and condescending. I can buy that you really didn't know if uni-basketball was done seriously. But suggesting that one of tholub's passions (I'm assuming) is "clowning around"? Not cool. And maybe I missed something, but did he ever say "oooh look at me, i can do what you can do, but on a unicycle! Arn't I awesome!" ? I'd be more apt to assume he plays basketball because he enjoys it. Why would you think otherwise? More importantly, why would you write it!!?


Dude your so old!! :p
But its k, I'll be old too one day.


You might not want to write everything you think. It's hard not to interpret your :p as "I actually really do think you're old and for that I have no respect for you. But I know that's a crappy thing to actually write. However instead of backspacing it out and keeping it to myself, I'll just put this :p here. All fixed."


My apologies.
+1 :cool:

[MuniOrBust]

Now to lighten up a bit...

I LOVE Cheerios. The plain ones, with just milk. No sugar, no Frosted, no Honey Nut.
I think I've had a bowl of Cheerios nearly every morning for the past 10 years.
I wonder if I've eaten over a million by now.
I'm tempted to actually do the math!

[Michaelgoround]

Now to lighten up a bit...

I LOVE Cheerios. The plain ones, with just milk. No sugar, no Frosted, no Honey Nut.
I think I've had a bowl of Cheerios nearly every morning for the past 10 years.
I wonder if I've eaten over a million by now.
I'm tempted to actually do the math!
Do it! Cheerios are the best breakfast cereal ever! I used to eat nothing but Cheerios when I was younger! Mhhhhmmm Cheerios!

[Rowan]

I take it they do not have Cheerios in new Zealand!?I guess they do but I'm not especially brand conscious (except for unicycle brand). When you are not interested in something it stays invisible to you- just like when you get a new car you suddenly see a whole lot of other peoples cars just like it even though you never noticed them before.

I'm assuming what you are trying to do here is help Kris by pointing out that it might not make good business sense to weigh the needs of a less popular style of unicycling as heavily as the needs of the street, flat, trials, and muni riders. Of course this makes sense, though I can only assume uni-basketball is not as popular.

But the way you chose to make your statement comes off as disrespectful and condescending. I can buy that you really didn't know if uni-basketball was done seriously. But suggesting that one of tholub's passions (I'm assuming) is "clowning around"? Not cool. And maybe I missed something, but did he ever say "oooh look at me, i can do what you can do, but on a unicycle! Arn't I awesome!" ? I'd be more apt to assume he plays basketball because he enjoys it. Why would you think otherwise? More importantly, why would you write it!!?Why do you assume so much? I don't think Chris is trying to influence Kris's basketball business sense? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on any aspect of unicycling regardless of whether they are sponsored or not. So what if Tholub loves clowning around? He rides a unicycle right? I wonder if Christian has ever thought to himself "Ooooh look at me, I can do more than what you can do on a unicycle! Aren't I awesome?" He would be right to think it if he did. Christian is a pretty humble guy I wish everyone would forgive him for his Anti-basketball sentiments. I'm glad you managed to detect the pokey tongue in his post Muniorbust.

[unicycledood]

But the way you chose to make your statement comes off as disrespectful and condescending. I can buy that you really didn't know if uni-basketball was done seriously. But suggesting that one of tholub's passions (I'm assuming) is "clowning around"? Not cool. And maybe I missed something, but did he ever say "oooh look at me, i can do what you can do, but on a unicycle! Arn't I awesome!" ? I'd be more apt to assume he plays basketball because he enjoys it. Why would you think otherwise? More importantly, why would you write it!!?



You might not want to write everything you think. It's hard not to interpret your :p as "I actually really do think you're old and for that I have no respect for you. But I know that's a crappy thing to actually write. However instead of backspacing it out and keeping it to myself, I'll just put this :p here. All fixed."

If you read the whole thread you'll notice my first question was completely innocent. Then Tholub goes on insulting street unicycling. I hate playing the fight fire with fire game. But it seems like the only way to get through to those kind of guys(The "I'm older, meaning I'm always right, don't disrespect me" kind of guy) insted of just asking him to politely withdraw his comment then explain my question was innocent(we on this forum pefer to debate).

And thanks Rowan :)

[_Ground_Zero_]

Cheerios don't make me cheerful :(

Then again I'm not a fan of ceral.

[GizmoDuck]

If you read the whole thread you'll notice my first question was completely innocent. Then Tholub goes on insulting street unicycling. I hate playing the fight fire with fire game. But it seems like the only way to get through to those kind of guys(The "I'm older, meaning I'm always right, don't disrespect me" kind of guy) insted of just asking him to politely withdraw his comment then explain my question was innocent(we on this forum pefer to debate).

And thanks Rowan :)

It's not a 'them' or 'me' argument. By trying to insult each other you'd both invariable offend more than just each other.

I assure you that we will take Basketball and Uni Hockey just as seriously as Street/Trials at Unicon.

Someone once said, when I'm 90yrs old, all I want to be able to do is ride to the corner store on my unicycle to buy milk, the newspaper and condoms.

[hobo_chuck]

I guess they do but I'm not especially brand conscious


If you're going to be particular about it, they weren't Cheerios. They were "honey oat loops" or some such nonsense. They're just like Cheerios, but cheaper and with more sugar added.

... and they're evil. I was coughing so much the last day getting them out that I couldn't unicycle!:eek:

[Rowan]

Now I need Maestro to help me with the attention-whore flowchart, I need to figure out where on that continuum the 'announce X is on your ignore list' fits in.It fits in with the maturely dealing with people you don't get along well with part on the continuum. Ignore is a feature that is probably not used often enough in forum flame wars. Not bad effort for a young guy battling the oldies (everyone realises that we all go through all different ages right?).

I'm not entering Unicycle Basketball and I don't take it seriously and I'm happy if anyone else takes it seriously or not just like if they want to do anything else I'm not particularly interested in. It will be fun to watch perhaps because of the Unicycle element but I'm not a hoop shooter and have never aspired to be.

I am not entirely convinced by Ken- you can only speak for yourself! Why bother saying we when you are an individual? If you said "I assure you that I will take Basketball and Uni Hockey just as seriously as Street/Trials at Unicon." that could be a potentially accurate statement, but if "we" means unicyclists then anyone can choose their own degree of seriousness that they take to events. Over the past few years except recently I've been disappointed in the lack of serious races so this Unicon thing is going to bring a whole new meaning of serious unicycle racing to New Zealand -any onlookers are welcome to think it looks silly and not serious and clownlike and circus, but it won't change the opinion that matters- my own! :D I'm just gonna have fun hopefully

[Jerrick]

Rowan owns. :)

[Michaelgoround]

I am not entirely convinced by Ken- you can only speak for yourself! Why bother saying we when you are an individual? If you said "I assure you that I will take Basketball and Uni Hockey just as seriously as Street/Trials at Unicon." that could be a potentially accurate statement, but if "we" means unicyclists then anyone can choose their own degree of seriousness that they take to events. Over the past few years except recently I've been disappointed in the lack of serious races so this Unicon thing is going to bring a whole new meaning of serious unicycle racing to New Zealand -any onlookers are welcome to think it looks silly and not serious and clownlike and circus, but it won't change the opinion that matters- my own! :D I'm just gonna have fun hopefully
I'm serious about being not serious and eating cheerios.

[MuniOrBust]

If you read the whole thread you'll notice my first question was completely innocent. Then Tholub goes on insulting street unicycling. I hate playing the fight fire with fire game.

Yeah, the more I read his and your comments, with the right frame of mind, the more I see how it can be misunderstood. I read the "serious sport" comment in a condescending tone. Sounds like I shouldn't have. I think tholub probably did too, and then took a jab at street. Not cool. Then you jabbed back, etc.

Alright... I'm all done. Hopefully we can all just respect each others differences.
BTW, nice riding.

[motorcycleboy]

I think Unicycledoods big mistake is thinking his "sport" is a "serious" sport. It is not. It may be extreme but not even close to being a serious sport. Only in his (our) little world is it serious. I wouldn't consider a sport serious until many athletes in said sport can make enough money too raise a family and send them to college. Bowling is about 1000 times as "serious" as any street, flat or trials on a unicycle. There are many who earn six figures a year in lots of "serious sports" and unicycling is not one of them. Sport yes, serious no. Only to the ones who take it seriously themselves (nothing wrong with that).Make no mistake, I am not putting unicyclng or Unicycledood down in any way, they are both fantastic (but without any fans yet). Botom line I'm sure plenty of street unicyclists and basketball unicyclist that are serious about thier craft, but that doesn't make them "sreious sports". They are hobby/niche sports right now. When being on the KH team comes with a six figure salary and competing teams out bidding each other for talent you BEGIN
to have a "serious sport".

[GILD]

Someone once said, when I'm 90yrs old, all I want to be able to do is ride to the corner store on my unicycle to buy milk, the newspaper and condoms.

+1

When being on the KH team comes with a six figure salary and competing teams out bidding each other for talent you BEGIN
to have a "serious sport".

+1

That's what I love about this sport.

It does tend to sort out the 'men' from the 'boys'.

I do also, oddly, "enjoy" all the personal snipes taken at me.
When all I've asked is for people to deal with other people in the way they would want to be dealt with.

A little respect goes a long way.

Unfortunately it would seem a long time before 'Chris' learns this little life-lesson.

[MuniOrBust]

We interrupt this conversation for a dorky announcement...

How many Cheerios are in a bowl? Obviously this cannot be exact. I just counted ~450. (Yes, my wife thinks (knows) I'm a dork)
I think I tend to pour a bit less than I used to, and it varies. So I'm going with 500.

I started eating Cheerios every morning in college, after moving into an apartment. That was 14 years ago. Really it is "almost every". I'll assume 350 days a year.

350 days * 14 years = 4900 days.

Before that, I ate Cheerios for some breakfasts, but far from every day. And when I was a little kid... who knows. I'm going to guess about 10%-50% of my breakfasts were Cheerios.
And I don't think I'll count the years when I was a baby or toddler. So for the 20 years before my apartment, I'll say for 15 of those years 10%-50% of my breakfasts were Cheerios.

For 10%: 365 days * 15 years * .10 = 548 days
For 50%: 365 days * 15 years * .50 = 2738 days

For 10%: 4900 + 548 = 5448 bowls
For 50%: 4900 + 2738 = 7638 bowls

For 10%: 5448 bowls * 500 Cheerios = 2,724,000 Cheerios
For 50%: 7638 bowls * 500 Cheerios = 3,819,000 Cheerios

So, I'd estimate I've eaten somewhere around 3 million Cheerios so far.
Now you know.

[GILD]

So, I'd estimate I've eaten somewhere around 3 million Cheerios so far.
Now you know.

Pardon me for showing my English Football roots:

(to the tune of "Let It Be")

Cheer-ee-ohs
Cheer-ee-ohs
Cheer-ee-ohs-oh
Cheer-ee-ohs

Yeah, have fun with the song from there.

[BillyTheMountain]

I do also, oddly, "enjoy" all the personal snipes taken at me.

:eek::eek::eek: Wot!?

[unicycledood]

When being on the KH team comes with a six figure salary and competing teams out bidding each other for talent you BEGIN
to have a "serious sport".

We're allowed to dream. Hoping this becomes a reality one day.

Street unicycling consumes my entire life. I've made no mistake. It may not be a considered a mainstream *"*"*"*"*""serious sport"*"*"*"*" but to me, its life. Life is serious and therefor I take it seriously :) But I see what your saying.

Whats more to be said? Everyone happy?
Time to get off my back and go ride!

Lol @ gild, personal snipes? Pretty sure there hasn't been any. (Please maestro and gild don't twist what I'm saying atm)

[Mikefule]

In Nottingham, three people have died in separate incidents involving falling boxes of Cheerios. Police are looking for a cereal killer.

[unicycledood]

CHEERIOS SUCK, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ME! ME! ME! MEEEE!!!!

I'ma toast kinda guy.

[Rowan]

I think Unicycledoods big mistake is thinking his "sport" is a "serious" sport. It is not. It may be extreme but not even close to being a serious sport. Only in his (our) little world is it serious. I wouldn't consider a sport serious until many athletes in said sport can make enough money too raise a family and send them to college. Bowling is about 1000 times as "serious" as any street, flat or trials on a unicycle. There are many who earn six figures a year in lots of "serious sports" and unicycling is not one of them. Sport yes, serious no. Only to the ones who take it seriously themselves (nothing wrong with that).Make no mistake, I am not putting unicyclng or Unicycledood down in any way, they are both fantastic (but without any fans yet). Botom line I'm sure plenty of street unicyclists and basketball unicyclist that are serious about thier craft, but that doesn't make them "sreious sports". They are hobby/niche sports right now. When being on the KH team comes with a six figure salary and competing teams out bidding each other for talent you BEGIN
to have a "serious sport".Now who are you to judge what is a serious sport or not? 33 posts and your name is Motor/lazy cycle. What the hell has money got to do with seriousness? Do you know about fiat money and the fact that the world is no longer using real money and basicly the monopoly bankers have license to print money any time they get low? So money is not an equal measure of anything.... it's a very poor indicator of sporting performance, although at Unicon people with lots of money will have an advantage in being able to buy the best gear- schlumpf, triton, titanium, a racing Qu-ax 26" etc. They will be able to afford to go- and they can afford to stay in accommodation- but with all the best gear they still have to perform and no amount of money will make them look serious in their performance (it may help to motivate them but it isn't a true measure). If you really love your sport money will be a secondary issue.

Don't tell me that one of New Zealands best riders has no fans. Just cos our world is little does not make it unreal! I agree that it's Niche but without any fans is an insult to the truth.

A little respect goes a long way.

Unfortunately it would seem a long time before 'Chris' learns this little life-lesson.Same to you GILD. If there is a fight with fists and a man walks away, the forum equivalent is using the ignore feature. You are yet to learn a life lesson that Chris has beaten you to. Quit it with your snarky snipes old man and put your fists down....walk/ride away!

[Rowan]

That's what I love about this sport.

It does tend to sort out the 'men' from the 'boys'.You old men- the ones who think you are somehow better than boys (if any of you still exist), you need to understand where men come from, and how they are not really any different. It's a bit like chickens and eggs- they are both the same thing in different stages. The energy of youth can be an advantage. If you don't like racism, or homophobic insults, why act childish and agist?

And can a moderator please remove the childish tags from this thread "Rowan brown noser" and "Christian total loser". We do not need to stoop to that level and make tags for the people we could suspect wrote that. Grow up you old computer geeks. unicycle.sitonthecomputerallday.com would be better for you.

[hobo_chuck]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-yin-yang-cats.jpg

[ħǻřрέŗ]

It's a bit like chickens and eggs- they are both the same thing in different stages.

I've experienced a bit of this. In the last few years I've become too chicken to ride the lines from which, if I fell, I would crack much like an egg. I can see how these two necessarily co-exist.

unicycle.sitonthecomputerallday.com would be better for you.

I was unable to find this site. Is the url spelled correctly? Could you provide a link? Being too chicken to ride makes me much more inclined to sit on the computer all day. Now I just need to mount a KH saddle on the tower for added comfort and reduced prostate stress.

Even though this thread has gone on longer than warranted, it hasn't gotten completely out of hand. Rather than a polarizing flame war this seems cool enough to perhaps be called a polar flame war. Admirable restraint on the part of practically all of the participants is evident.

I rode to the hair stylist today to get a haircut. The big Coker was well received as usual. The original quote cited by Ken actually involved a guy wanting to ride to the corner store to buy whiskey and condoms when he was ninety. Milk was not mentioned if I remember correctly. I purchased none of the three. I did, however, make fried eggs and home fried potatoes with onions for breakfast and will be having a bit of breast of baked chicken for dinner. Again these two are seen to necessarily co-exist. To mix it up a bit maybe I'll skip the chicken and take Karen out for sushi instead.

[Into the blue]

Grow up you old computer geeks. unicycle.sitonthecomputerallday.com would be better for you.

Am I the only one who finds this hypocritical, given that Rowan has been doing the majority of posting on this thread lately?

[joeking36]

Am I the only one who finds this hypocritical, given that Rowan has been doing the majority of posting on this thread lately?

of course because he only has 15,944 less posts than you and he joined 3 years earlier... think about it stemhead

[Michaelgoround]

So, I'd estimate I've eaten somewhere around 3 million Cheerios so far.
Now you know.
Wow! Thats a lot of cheerios! You are indeed a dork, but don't worry you aare in good company.;)

CHEERIOS SUCK, THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ME! ME! ME! MEEEE!!!!

I'ma toast kinda guy.
That alone makes you a bad person unworthy of being spoken to.;) IGNORE.:p

[Into the blue]

you're a dickhead mate.

think about it stemhead

Let me guess, you're in the debating team at school, right?

[joeking36]

Let me guess, you're in the debating team at school, right?

Haha you're a funny guy, I stand by those comments. I'm not like all the oldies on these forums, I don't go get my thesaurus out and type up an essay on how I'm right and you're wrong with little knowledge or expertise in the subject to support my argument.
seriously though the school debating team comment made me laugh. You do realise that sarcasm doesn't come across well in text (Oh I wonder how that will read)
Maybe my school and your nursing home could organise a debate some time. The only difference between a school debate and a single thread on the endlessness of the internet is you'll never win... You see there are no judges and no-one could really give half a dried up shit what you have to say.

[unicycledood]

Am I the only one who finds this hypocritical, given that Rowan has been doing the majority of posting on this thread lately?

Its a Sunday! By day Rowan teaches unicycling at local schools ;)

of course because he only has 15,944 less posts than you and he joined 3 years earlier... think about it stemhead

Ooooh burn !!!!!

Edit: I'm out of credit btw Rowan. Girlfriends sucking me dry

[BillyTheMountain]

Girlfriends sucking me dry

:eek::eek::eek:

[dudewithasock]

:eek::eek::eek:

win

Also, using post-count as an argument for anything is dumb.

Cheerios are good though.

[johnfoss]

There is so much I would like to comment on but won't. I was going to ask Gizmoduck what the milk was supposed to be for? But Harper covered that one. I was going to explain (for Rowan) a bit of the history of Cheerios as a classic, iconic breakfast cereal, but then someone would call me old for having knowledge.

Enough with the ageism, okay? None of us gets to pick what year he was born. Being older doesn't make you smarter. Higher post count doesn't make you smarter. Counting your Cheerios doesn't make you smarter either, but I guess it does say something about you. :) Did you always use the exact same sized bowl, or did you not consider that in your math?

Being around unicycling for 30 years might make one smarter about unicycling than someone who's been doing it for 3. But that still doesn't make one person's opinion more correct than another's. However there's a good chance it gives them more background with which to form them.

Rock on, Unicycledood. And Rowan, keep standing up to the man (when he/she hassles you for public unicycling). I look forward to meeting both of you in December! We're all usually better in real life.

[Jerrick]

Being around unicycling for 30 years might make one smarter about unicycling than someone who's been doing it for 3. But that still doesn't make one person's opinion more correct than another's. However there's a good chance it gives them more background with which to form them.


I would of put might in bold, cause im sure 90% of the street riders, with only a few months of street in them, will know more about street then a rider with 30 years of general riding behind them. Specially when it comes down to actual street riding. The riders, the tricks, inventors of tricks, and the progress of street unicycling.

If youre hardly interested in street, you miss a lot, and probably wont know what a sejflip is or what Mike Clark did for street.

Just like im not really interested in uni basketball or hockey, so im not going to know jack about it, except a blanket statement of general knowledge that any rider can make up on the spot.

In short, im saying, years of riding are just as useless as someones post count or age. There is a chance it means something, but there is a chance it means nothing at all. Of course, it all depends on topics.

[nubcake]

The only difference between a school debate and a single thread on the endlessness of the internet is you'll never win... You see there are no judges and no-one could really give half a dried up shit what you have to say.

there may not be winners, but there are losers. you've chosen to be a loser, whether you see it or agree with it or not. someday maybe you'll expand your mind a little and see from more directions... this may just be a case of time taking it's course and will happen when it does, or not.

there's a reason why 'you young whipper-snappers' are regarded with less respect etc in forums and in general life. your problem is you aren't at a stage where you can see and understand why... again, time.

here's a tip to help you out : as above, there may not be winners but there are losers. it doesn't have to be a fight about who is more clever or uses 'smarter' words as that is a losing game. it is about not being a loser, period. it's about not wanting / trying to win, but trying not to become a loser.

is this a little too zen or something, maybe? what is the sound of one hand clapping? :confused:

[GILD]

I need to go work on my motorcycle now.

[Jerrick]

is this a little too zen or something, maybe? what is the sound of one hand clapping? :confused:

One hand clapping sounds like clapping with two hands, but not as loud. With more practice im sure I can get better volume out of one hand, but its not a serious sport, like unicycling, so wont bring me any money, so why bother.

Im gonna go back to not understanding life lessons.

:p

[nubcake]

One hand clapping sounds like clapping with two hands, but not as loud. With more practice im sure I can get better volume out of one hand, but its not a serious sport, like unicycling, so wont bring me any money, so why bother.

Im gonna go back to not understanding life lessons.

:p

are you suggesting that because you have decreased the amount of hands by half then the volume is also halved?

e.g. 2 x handsclapping = normalvolume
handsclapping = normalvolume / 2

... therefore, the sound of one hand clapping is precisely the same as that of 2 hands clapping but at half the volume. i wonder how many hands a person of average clapping volume and average weight would need to be able to create a type of sonic boom that could propel them off the ground.

it's time to start breeding people with more hands so that some day we can finally fly, using the above method.

edit : i'd also like to note that my previous post is not limited to forums, but extends to life in general. you can be, or you can be a loser. it's like (i believe it was) johnfoss's comment about 'coolness' in that you are either cool, or you want to / are trying to be cool and therefore aren't. to reverse it, you are either cool end of story, or you are actively making yourself uncool.

[unicycledood]

I look forward to meeting both of you in December! We're all usually better in real life.

We can only hope :p

[joeking36]

there may not be winners, but there are losers. you've chosen to be a loser, whether you see it or agree with it or not. someday maybe you'll expand your mind a little and see from more directions... this may just be a case of time taking it's course and will happen when it does, or not.

there's a reason why 'you young whipper-snappers' are regarded with less respect etc in forums and in general life. your problem is you aren't at a stage where you can see and understand why... again, time.

here's a tip to help you out : as above, there may not be winners but there are losers. it doesn't have to be a fight about who is more clever or uses 'smarter' words as that is a losing game. it is about not being a loser, period. it's about not wanting / trying to win, but trying not to become a loser.

is this a little too zen or something, maybe? what is the sound of one hand clapping? :confused:

okay where do I start with this one, firstly by calling me a loser you are infact becoming the loser, theres no winners why bother? (I don't even know what this is about anymore but it's keeping me entertained while my uni is in the bike shop) secondly I don't know who you were hanging around with when you were young but they mustn't have been your friends 'cause I get plenty of respect. obviously I make a tool of myself on the internet but I counldn't give a rats cause its a crazy world of make believe, with fairies, dragons, old men pretending they are young girls, bored teenagers and porn. Thirdly, I don't need your life lessons buddy I'm sure I'll cope without you. Not saying your insights aren't helpful but I'd prefer a 'straight to the point' lesson that doesn't require hours of meditation. like 'don't stick the knife in the toaster' or 'Don't go to a creepy old guys house for nub cake'. Foooouuurthly, I never said anything about whoever has the bigger/better words wins infact I said the complete opposite, time for a re-read bud. Fifthly (if its even aloud to go that high) the sound of one hand clapping? how that weaved it's way into the discussion is beyond me but the answer is simple, the sound of one hand clapping is umm..... ummm arrr.. oh I know it's the same sound sound a tree makes when it falls in forest and no-one is there to hear it mmm yes that will do.

[nubcake]

okay where do I start with this one

the beginning is fine, i'm sure.

firstly by calling me a loser you are infact becoming the loser

no, i'm not calling you a loser. i'm saying you have chosen to BE a loser. it's not about any choice i'm making. it's about your choices. but you have shown to grasp some of the concept which is better than not getting it at all.

perhaps you have seen the movie Wargames? "The only winning move is not to play". Applies to thermonuclear war in the move, but applies to much more in actual life.

theres no winners why bother?

good question, and if you can't answer it then you already have your answer... why bother?

(I don't even know what this is about anymore but it's keeping me entertained while my uni is in the bike shop)

well then you have missed the point, but at least you are entertained. besides, you may learn or discover something without realising it anyway.

secondly I don't know who you were hanging around with when you were young but they mustn't have been your friends 'cause I get plenty of respect

um, here you've completely missed the point and are maybe just too young to understand, so oh well. you can't see what you can't see.

obviously I make a tool of myself on the internet but I counldn't give a rats cause its a crazy world of make believe, with fairies, dragons, old men pretending they are young girls, bored teenagers and porn.

exactly. make of it what you will. what you end-up with is your doing.

Thirdly, I don't need your life lessons buddy I'm sure I'll cope without you. Not saying your insights aren't helpful but I'd prefer a 'straight to the point' lesson that doesn't require hours of meditation. like 'don't stick the knife in the toaster' or 'Don't go to a creepy old guys house for nub cake'.

i'm sure you don't need my life lessons, but sometimes that one particular thing said at that one particular time can have a lot of meaning and open doors that were previously closed and unknown. sometimes not. if you occupy yourself too much with all the little details (e.g. don't stick the knife in the toaster) you can miss the bigger picture and all that is going-on there. and yes, don't go to a creepy old guys house for nub cake... that's very true.

Foooouuurthly, I never said anything about whoever has the bigger/better words wins infact I said the complete opposite, time for a re-read bud.

No that's fine, I'm not saying you did. I'm saying by incorporating the concept of 'winning' into this then you have/are 'lost'. No one wins a fight or argument (physical or verbal), some people just lose less.

Fifthly (if its even aloud to go that high)

it can, and now has... please continue...

the sound of one hand clapping? how that weaved it's way into the discussion is beyond me

me either

but the answer is simple, the sound of one hand clapping is umm..... ummm arrr.. oh I know it's the same sound sound a tree makes when it falls in forest and no-one is there to hear it mmm yes that will do.

yup. damn straight.

[Jerrick]

I wonder how many people think you cant clap with just one hand...

[nubcake]

a better question is "is it still clapping if it's just one hand?".

[joeking36]

the beginning is fine, i'm sure.
I was gonna start at the end to.. glad I have some idea of what I'm doing


no, i'm not calling you a loser. i'm saying you have chosen to BE a loser. it's not about any choice i'm making. it's about your choices. but you have shown to grasp some of the concept which is better than not getting it at all.

You are saying I have chosen to be a loser... you are making me aware of the fact that I am a loser... You are telling me I am a loser, therefore you are calling me a loser.

perhaps you have seen the movie Wargames? "The only winning move is not to play". Applies to thermonuclear war in the move, but applies to much more in actual life.

no I have not seen that movie, but I'm sure you have just ruined for me.




good question, and if you can't answer it then you already have your answer... why bother?

That was more of a statement question maybe it didn't need question mark. It was meant for you to answer for yourself. I wasn't asking you tell me the answer.

well then you have missed the point, but at least you are entertained. besides, you may learn or discover something without realising it anyway.

this thread has a taken a crazy turn I'm struggling to keep up


um, here you've completely missed the point and are maybe just too young to understand, so oh well. you can't see what you can't see.

I know what you meant I may have used a poor example but don't patronise me.



exactly. make of it what you will. what you end-up with is your doing.

OH No I may be wanted on the internet. gee


i'm sure you don't need my life lessons, but sometimes that one particular thing said at that one particular time can have a lot of meaning and open doors that were previously closed and unknown. sometimes not. if you occupy yourself too much with all the little details (e.g. don't stick the knife in the toaster) you can miss the bigger picture and all that is going-on there. and yes, don't go to a creepy old guys house for nub cake... that's very true.

You can't just tell someone a lesson, they have to learn it from fortune cookies I think



No that's fine, I'm not saying you did. I'm saying by incorporating the concept of 'winning' into this then you have/are 'lost'. No one wins a fight or argument (physical or verbal), some people just lose less.

It is stupid to say no-one can win a fight or argument.
ever heard of a court-house or the sport called boxing

it can, and now has... please continue...

You seemed to lose intrest about



me either

..and here


yup. damn straight.

and now your agreeing





so so over it.

as for claping with one hand it's called the ampuclap

[nubcake]

I was gonna start at the end to.. glad I have some idea of what I'm doing

as are we all.

You are saying I have chosen to be a loser... you are making me aware of the fact that I am a loser... You are telling me I am a loser, therefore you are calling me a loser.

no, not at all. i am not calling you a loser, but if i was then that still does not have any bearing on whether or not you are a loser. I can call you a loser all day long and yet you can be NOT a loser, just as I can say nothing at all and you BE a loser. what i say or do, or not say or not do, does not make you a loser. YOU make you a loser if you choose to be that way.

no I have not seen that movie, but I'm sure you have just ruined for me.

lol, sorry. you really SHOULD see it some time. i might watch it again soon in fact. it's not the best movie in the universe, but it's definitely worth at least one viewing. hmm, it'd probably be like the rest of us old fogies watching an old black and white film though, since it'd be based from before your time.

That was more of a statement question maybe it didn't need question mark. It was meant for you to answer for yourself. I wasn't asking you tell me the answer.

i know it wasn't really a question from you, but maybe it SHOULD have been. and my answer was not exactly an answer, but more a question for you, which in turn is really what you should have been asking in the first place but actually weren't. this is one big circle... so anyways.

this thread has a taken a crazy turn I'm struggling to keep up

you'll be right, just don't stare at any flashing lights for long etc.

I know what you meant I may have used a poor example but don't patronise me.

i'm not so sure that you do know what i meant, and i wasn't patronising you. i meant it... if you can't see it you can't see it. some people can't. if you can then great, but i feel that you don't.

OH No I may be wanted on the internet. gee

well that was unexpected, but ok. this is why i think you are seeing tiny bits of what i'm saying, but missing the rest and making incorrect and short-sighted assumptions.

You can't just tell someone a lesson, they have to learn it from fortune cookies I think

fortune cookies and nubcakes on the interwebs.

It is stupid to say no-one can win a fight or argument.
ever heard of a court-house or the sport called boxing

yes. i am a martial artist. i have possibly heard of (and learned) forms of fighting you have not, and in the same token you may have heard of (and maybe learned) some i have not. it's neither here nor there. if you yourself are a fighter then you would be more aware than others of the things i am saying.

but to go with your examples... does a person in a court-house fighting for something not lose time that could be spent elsewhere, with other people? do they sometimes not lose money for using the courts time? do they not lose energy? focus? feelings of positivity? there are plenty of 'things' that can and will be lost... so in the end, regardless of the decision of the courts, the person will have lost something. if there was no reason to have the fight, then they have lost for nothing. sometimes there is a good reason to fight, and what will be lost is outweighed by what could be gained. this is subjective so i shall stop.

boxing / kickboxing / muay thai competitions : not exactly what i'm talking about. to go in this physical fighting direction then i'm talking more about someone in the street or club or bar etc attacking another person (even just verbally). I don't want to just hand you the answers as again it is all a bit subjective, but let's say someone either verbally or physically attacked you and you 'won' the fight... what did you lose? if your answer is 'nothing' then you don't see it, and you don't see what you don't see. sorry.

if you really honestly think you lose nothing and want to know my thoughts then i'm happy to give them, but i'll at least give you the opportunity to explore the answer for yourself. this isn't some kind of quiz where you need to reply, as no one needs to know the answer/s but you. they only matter to you, that is, if they in fact do matter to you.

You seemed to lose intrest about

i've been sick

..and here

so maybe my attention and energy levels are down, or maybe i just have a short attention span. maybe i'm delirious and just rambling, which i'm sure many would say yes to.

and now your agreeing

yup!

so so over it.

*shrug*. it's ok. this wasn't directed solely at you, and if the others who could take something from this do then bonus.

as for claping with one hand it's called the ampuclap

eheh. nice. not sure i've heard that name before. seems wrong to allude to amputations though since you need at least one hand for a one-handed clap, and this means anyone with 2 hands can do this too (or 3 hands and so on).

[unicycledood]

Good lord. Joe don't even bother reading that. I didn't. :p

Get a life and go ride.

Edit: Fine thats a bit harsh. Not backspacing it tho :p

[nubcake]

lolz shuttup i'm bored ok. nothing wrong with trying to open another's mind a little :)

edit : fine don't backspace it, and i won't backspace this either. i smell a stalemate? hehe

[samwii]

Hehe, I just spent over an hour reading all 11 pages of this, it's funny, it's like listening to my sister bickering.

By the way, I am NOT part of this arguement, so please don't try to involve me.

-Peace :rolleyes:

[nubcake]

that's bullcrap samwii you are TOTALLY in it now.

you can enter, but you can never leave!

[peleschramm]

obviously I make a tool of myself on the internet but I counldn't give a rats cause its a crazy world of make believe, with fairies, dragons, old men pretending they are young girls, bored teenagers and porn

Hmmm...

I wonder who is responsible for making it such a crazy place? Was it originally intended to be such a crazy place? Has anything serious ever been done on the internet, or is it always just one big 4chan? I wonder what a forum member could do to make his forum a more acceptable place?

Do you have any ideas?

[hobo_chuck]

I can imagine that it was quite serious before it became commercial.

[SkierAlex]

I had to look Cheerios up to find out that it is cereal. I thought Cheerios were cocktail sausages, chewed into a fine powder! Somebody flame me for my ignorance!

lol Same.

[nimblelight]

Good lord. Joe don't even bother reading that. I didn't. :p


It actually took me less time to read what he wrote then to read what you wrote.

Mostly, I'm a fast reader, but I just spent a ton of time(~30 seconds?) just sitting here looking at those two sentences. I dunno why, it's not like they're high-quality sentences.

[unicycledood]

Good lord.

[GILD]

Good lord. Joe don't even bother reading that. I didn't. :p

Get a life and go ride.

Edit: Fine thats a bit harsh. Not backspacing it tho :p

And I humbly suggest the nub of the argument is right here in this post.

[nubcake]

identity theft... ima go call da police!

[joeking36]

yes. i am a martial artist. i have possibly heard of (and learned) forms of fighting you have not, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
if you yourself are a fighter then you would be more aware than others of the things i am saying blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

I'm a blackbelt in Joe-Jitsu the ancient art of martial. take that Mr. Miyagi

but to go with your examples... does a person in a court-house fighting for something not lose time that could be spent elsewhere, with other people? do they sometimes not lose money for using the courts time? do they not lose energy? focus? feelings of positivity? there are plenty of 'things' that can and will be lost... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

if your answer is 'nothing' then you don't see it, and you don't see what you don't see. sorry. [B]'HOLY HELL!'[B] blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

You could say exactly the same thing but opposite, someone just 'wins' a little less... errrrrr!
Your argument is just stupid word play, the whole freakin thing!

if you really honestly think you lose nothing and want to know my thoughts then i'm happy to give them, but i'll at least give you the opportunity to explore the answer for yourself. this isn't some kind of quiz where you need to reply, as no one needs to know the answer/s but you. they only matter to you, that is, if they in fact do matter to you blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

I really hope someone breaks into your house and steals your keyboard!

[unicycledood]

The ignore feature is working wonders! :D

[Hazmat]

The ignore feature is working wonders! :D
I don't see why you don't just ignore the bad/negative comments are saying about you. :D

[hobo_chuck]

:eek:OOO!! OOOO!!!

Can I be on your ignore list next? Please? Please?:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


PICK MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!:):)

[nubcake]

it's ok joeking, there are plenty of ya's to keep each other company. good luck to you.

blah blah blah

[johnfoss]

...im sure 90% of the street riders, with only a few months of street in them, will know more about street then a rider with 30 years of general riding behind them.That depends how involved the "old guy" is in Street, doesn't it? Naturally, Street riding experts are going to know more about Street than people with general unicycling knowledge. I didn't intend to imply otherwise.

Street unicycling goes back roughly to the year 1999. There are plenty of expert Street riders out there now who know little about that time, the roots of Street and how it got popular. People who are experts at Street riding can be great Street competitors, and potentially great Street coaches and judges. I say potentially because they also have to be good at coaching or judging to be "great" at those things. Someone who only *watches* Street can be as good a judge as someone who rides it every day; we know this from Freestyle judging. They just have to be as up on the latest moves as the rest of the group.
In short, im saying, years of riding are just as useless as someones post count or age.That's pretty much what I said, the difference being whether one was really involved, or one was just riding around for all that time.

Basically what I'm saying is, this horse isn't dead enough and I think it still needs more beating! :p

you can enter, but you can never leave!Welcome to the Hotel California? (you can check out any time you like)

[Jerrick]

Oh I was disagreeing with you at all. Just adding on with another point how things can work out.

[unicycledood]

Street unicycling goes back roughly to the year 1999. There are plenty of expert Street riders out there now who know little about that time, the roots of Street and how it got popular. People who are experts at Street riding can be great Street competitors, and potentially great Street coaches and judges. I say potentially because they also have to be good at coaching or judging to be "great" at those things. Someone who only *watches* Street can be as good a judge as someone who rides it every day; we know this from Freestyle judging. They just have to be as up on the latest moves as the rest of the group.
That's pretty much what I said, the difference being whether one was really involved, or one was just riding around for all that time.


You assume this.

Theres a reason why people don't ride Street how it was in 1999. Flips replaced revs (you can add a flip to a unispin, you can flip onto/over objects better(if you tuck with your flip, impossible with a rev), in 1999 all street riders put thought and creativity into their tricks because if they didnt, it'd just be Trials. Thats why people enjoy old school Street so much insted of just progressive flip vids. Back when everyone did the same tricks, the only thing that mattered was how you use them. Hopfully Street will return to this sometime soon. But untill everyone catches up with everyones tricks, all we can expect to see now it people trying to catch up with each other.

You have to ride Street to judge Street. Chances are, if you can't do top level tricks, you won't understand any of the names. You definitely won't be able to judge them on the spot. Hard to tell the diffrence for a backside/sidespin/reverse side/late/in-out/out-in/in-in. Even I can have trouble when I'm not paying attention. You also need to know something very important about the rider your judging(bet you didn't think about this). What tricks for them are blind, thats the main part, everyone is diffrent.

People hoping to make the ignore list, annoy me for no reason as much as GILD and consider it done.

[saskatchewanian]

So are you saying that you need to be a street rider to understand street?


and just curious but why would we care if we happen to end up on unicycledudes ignore list. Oh noz we wouldn't get condescending responses!:rolleyes:

[unicycledood]

So are you saying that you need to be a street rider to understand street?


and just curious but why would we care if we happen to end up on unicycledudes ignore list. Oh noz we wouldn't get condescending responses!:rolleyes:

Yes sir. Feel free to argue, make these forums usefull.

I don't know why anyone would care. Some people are just so obsessed with me, they want me to go so far as ignoring them. (bad attention is still attention to them I guess)

[saskatchewanian]

Bah you don't have to be able to do the things you judge, you just need to be knowledgeable about what you are watching.

A perfect example is the english teacher I had in Grades 11 and 12. She was a pro figure skating judge even though she said that she never got formal figure skating training nor competed in any figure skating competitions yet she always loved watching and became a figure-skating judge.

My grade 12 year she took a week off work to judge the Canadian National Figure Skating Championships. She was one of five judges and they don't just invite anyone to come and be a judge.

If it can work for freestyle and for figure-skating I don't see why it should not work for street, after all they are all a type performance art whether you like it or not.



And I really think there is only one person on here that is obsessed with you and it is not JoeKing or Rowan...

[unicycledood]

I dare you to try name all my obsessed fans, dare you.

Ok. This is possible. But I really don't think theres many unicyclists that will watch street unicycling and love it, without riding street themselves.

In the future it might be possible? With televised events? But without any of that, its hard for someone to become interested to the point where they just want to watch it their wholelife.

Better example. Once upon a time I was obsessed with pro wresteling. I could name every move/WHATEVER. If they had some kind of competition that involved judges then yeah I'd be able to do it. Same with sports commentators, they have to know absolutely everything about the sport before commentating, but chances are they've never actually played.

Sadly :( this isn't possible for unicycling yet :(

So your point is moot :)

But please, continue debating.

Spelling errors, sorry, I'm lazy.

[hobo_chuck]

Whoa, this thread has gotten way off topic.

Let's get this back on track:

http://green.yahoo.com/blog/daily_green_news/63/fda-cheerios-can-t-claim-cholesterol-health-benefits.html

[unicycledood]

This new debate might even deserve its own thread. Street judging that is.

[GizmoDuck]

You assume this.


You have to ride Street to judge Street. Chances are, if you can't do top level tricks, you won't understand any of the names. You definitely won't be able to judge them on the spot. Hard to tell the diffrence for a backside/sidespin/reverse side/late/in-out/out-in/in-in. Even I can have trouble when I'm not paying attention. You also need to know something very important about the rider your judging(bet you didn't think about this). What tricks for them are blind, thats the main part, everyone is diffrent.


So you're volunteering your services to judge Street at Unicon then ;)

I think it's useful to have done whatever discipline it is you're judging, but some of the worlds best referees, coaches, and judges never reached the top level in their sport. Others never even competed in the sport they are famous for coaching in. Our most successful NZ Olympic swimmer ever, for instance. If you go to Dunedin at the school of Phys Ed, much of the ways they look at improving performance are not done by the people who participate in that particular sport. They're just the Guinea pigs.

[unicycledood]

Theres a few people I'd reccommend to judge. But of course I won't be. I'll be competing.

[Zzagg]

Please, can someone in NZ introduce unicycledood to the great wonders of the conspiracy theory?
It's been a good way to clear things up in the past:rolleyes:.

[GILD]

If it can work for freestyle and for figure-skating I don't see why it should not work for street



Because, Eric, Shtreet is Shpecial.


edit: figure-skating has a large enough amount competitors that judging difficulty is easier.


Edit: do want to take some time to explain this one to me again?

And I'm really curious.

Thanx.

[unicycledood]

Please, can someone in NZ introduce unicycledood to the great wonders of the conspiracy theory?
It's been a good way to clear things up in the past:rolleyes:.

?

[johnfoss]

Theres a reason why people don't ride Street how it was in 1999.The main reason is because it's 2009.
You have to ride Street to judge Street.Wrong. Some people say the same thing about Freestyle. Wrong for lots of years. You think Freestyle is easier to judge than Street? (caution: question could be a trap)

You don't have to agree with the above, but you may have non-Street riders judging you at Unicon. The best-case scenario for you as a competitor is that you have good judges, not good Street riders watching you. After all, we hope all the best Street riders are in the competition. I'm not qualified to be a Street judge, and neither is Ryan Woessner. But Ryan will be the Director for that event. BTW he and the Unicon organizers will be looking for judges, so if you have good people to recommend I'm sure they would love to know who.

A good judge doesn't have to know the names of tricks, unless there is a discussion about who did what as part of the judging process. Street judges, just like everything-else judges, just have to know the comparitive difficulty level of everything being done. That's something no rider probably knows 100% of either.
You also need to know something very important about the rider your judging(bet you didn't think about this). What tricks for them are blind...That's an interesting point. The bigger the event, the less likely judges are to know this for every competitor unless everyone knows everyone else. Easy at the smaller levels, but increasingly harder as the numbers increase. The rules don't mention judges' need to know the blind side for each rider, which could be a weak spot. But how does being a Street rider make it easier to know this?

...but in this case it is hard to judge the difficulty and understand all the little varialtion in the tricks if you don' actually ride it.Actually in some ways it's easier. Doing all the tricks yourself may leave you with a distorted view of which ones are truly harder than others. Everyone learns some really hard tricks easily, and maybe struggles with others that most people find easy. If you watch loads of riders you can have a more balanced idea of comparitive difficulty levels.
...someone who spends half their day watching street vids and memorizing each trick might understand... but it is unlikely anyone does who isn't a street rider.That's only true because the sport is so small. If it were football or similar (either kind), the non-playing fans vastly outnumber the players and some of them are very knowledgeable about their favorite sports!
figure-skating has a large enough amount competitors that judging difficulty is easier.Really? Is it the amount of competitors or is it that everyone is mostly doing the same thing? Figure skating is so much more established as a sport that it's much closer to human limits and there's a lot less variation in performances. In a way that makes it easier to judge, but since there are so many skating experts out there (and their judging system is complex) it remains harder.

But I really don't think theres many unicyclists that will watch street unicycling and love it, without riding street themselves.Thanks to Dan Heaton and a few others, the # of people that love watching Street is far, far greater than the ones actively doing it. Same for nearly any sport that has even a little bit of exposure.
Same with sports commentators, they have to know absolutely everything about the sport before commentating, but chances are they've never actually played.The sports commentators that come to mind for me are mostly former athletes, many of them at the top levels. But this may vary (a lot) from sport to sport.
Sadly :( this isn't possible for unicycling yet :(Like there aren't any "old" people in unicycling? :D

[Zzagg]

?I'm old, you know?

[unicycledood]

Oh dear, this is annoying. But I guess I asked for it.

Wrong. Some people say the same thing about Freestyle. Wrong for lots of years. You think Freestyle is easier to judge than Street? (caution: question could be a trap)

Wrong? How so? I'd say freestyle is harder. But I wouldn't know, I don't ride freestyle nor understand the rules. I understand the most entertaining routine wins ???

You don't have to agree with the above, but you may have non-Street riders judging you at Unicon. The best-case scenario for you as a competitor is that you have good judges, not good Street riders watching you. After all, we hope all the best Street riders are in the competition. I'm not qualified to be a Street judge, and neither is Ryan Woessner. But Ryan will be the Director for that event. BTW he and the Unicon organizers will be looking for judges, so if you have good people to recommend I'm sure they would love to know who.

Don't worry. I have good judges in mind. People that will know exactly what their judging. Hopfully they'll attend unicon.


A good judge doesn't have to know the names of tricks, unless there is a discussion about who did what as part of the judging process. Street judges, just like everything-else judges, just have to know the comparitive difficulty level of everything being done. That's something no rider probably knows 100% of either.
That's an interesting point. The bigger the event, the less likely judges are to know this for every competitor unless everyone knows everyone else. Easy at the smaller levels, but increasingly harder as the numbers increase. The rules don't mention judges' need to know the blind side for each rider, which could be a weak spot. But how does being a Street rider make it easier to know this?

The comparitive difficulty... Helps if you know what everythings called ;) Its actually really easy once you learn. Trick names follow patterns. Trick difficulty compared to the next, easy to tell if you can already do them all ;) also easier if you can do them in your stance and blind ;) (all street riders at top level would know this, sadly they won't be judging, but competing) .Blind tricks: I for one would never do anything blind in competition unless I did the same trick in my normal stance before or after the blind trick. But some people might just assume the judges will notice it straight away. Me being a street rider and 100% obsessed with street, I know all the top riders stance and blind stance. Too bad I won't be judging.

Thanks to Dan Heaton and a few others, the # of people that love watching Street is far, far greater than the ones actively doing it. Same for nearly any sport that has even a little bit of exposure.

Yeah thanks Dan. We all praise him and know he was sent to us from the heavens. But anyone that watches his videos won't be able to tell whats harder from the rest. Just what looks nicer. So, your point?

The sports commentators that come to mind for me are mostly former athletes, many of them at the top levels. But this may vary (a lot) from sport to sport.

Yep varies (a lot). I was simply saying, it is possible to know a buttload of things about a sport without playing it.

Like there aren't any "old" people in unicycling? :D

I saw a video of a 32 year old guy doing a full-varialflip the other day. You guys could learn ALOT from him. Dam impressive and I def encourage that. My full-varialflips are shocking, wrong stance for them. Hopefully before I'm his age I can do them blind, as clean or cleaner then him.

I'm old, you know?

Very :p

[GizmoDuck]

Wrong? How so? I'd say freestyle is harder. But I wouldn't know, I don't ride freestyle nor understand the rules. I understand the most entertaining routine wins ???


If you looked at the previous Unicons...many a judge have been questioned on the scoring system because of this. Some of the most entertaining routines which everyone thought would win, haven't.



The comparitive difficulty... Helps if you know what everythings called ;) Its actually really easy once you learn. Trick names follow patterns. Trick difficulty compared to the next, easy to tell if you can already do them all ;)


If Olympic Gymnastic judges are able to do all the tricks that the Gymnasts do, I doubt you'd have any judges at all. Also, as John said, some biases will creep in based on your own abilities.

Of course, we'd love to have experienced Street riders on our panel of judges. But no point just 'having people in mind'...tell us who they are!!!






I saw a video of a 32 year old guy doing a full-varialflip the other day. You guys could learn ALOT from him. Dam impressive and I def encourage that. My full-varialflips are shocking, wrong stance for them. Hopefully before I'm his age I can do them blind, as clean or cleaner then him.


32yrs old should be about the age you peak for X-Country MUni and Unlimited Road Racing. Who are you calling old here :rolleyes:

Goes with any endurance sport. How many teenagers have won the Tour De France?

[nubcake]

Gild : I assume the thought is that when there is a large base of something you have more opportunity to be exposed to it and are able to compare and contrast more often, whereas with something that is more a niche then you probably don't even know what the hell is even going on.

think of saying 'learning by osmosis'. language is probably a good example actually. you learn language through mass exposure, not through being taught.

[GILD]

If you looked at the previous Unicons...many a judge have been questioned on the scoring system because of this. Some of the most entertaining routines which everyone thought would win, haven't.

Ooooh, don't go t (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20209&highlight=tastelessness)here...

[GizmoDuck]

Ooooh, don't go t (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20209&highlight=tastelessness)here...

Actually, this (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63446) was what I had in the back of my mind.

I enjoyed that particular routine, in fact it was my favourite. But I know very well why it came second, and I'm not questioning the integrity of the judges. However, as you can see, even experienced Freestyle riders do not understand how points get added up. It's one thing being able to do something well, it's another to be able to judge it in competition.

[johnfoss]

Wrong? How so? I'd say freestyle is harder.Wrong as in the opposite of right. Freestyle is probably harder, since you have to do the same comparison of difficulty but also compare a lot of other factors, most of which are harder to quantify. But Street and Flat can also be hard to judge because some of the moves can happen very fast and close together.
I understand the most entertaining routine wins ???I wish it were that simple (of course even then, there will be disagreements on what's more entertaining). It used to be a 50/50 mix of difficulty vs. presentation, but in recent years there has been an effort to quantify way too may aspects of a performance, leading to a judging/scoring system that's much harder to do, and causes long gaps between performances. I prefer a simpler approach, but we still often have a problem gathering truly qualified judges.

We know they don't need to be Freestyle riding experts, but they do need to know the material. Many judges are worried about being not knowledgeable on the difficulty side, so they end up judging on the presentation side and we find out they know even less about that. A Freestyle performance *should* be theatrical in nature, but I believe we're drifting away from that with our more recent rules. Now it's too technical.
Me being a street rider and 100% obsessed with street, I know all the top riders stance and blind stance. Too bad I won't be judging.You know the stance of every rider that's going to compete at Unicon? But you don't even know who will be competing yet. All riders need to be judged, even if they're not at the elite level. They all have to be compared to the others in their group. Plus with a new sport like this, there are often wildcard riders who are unknown until they show up. Like Simon Wells, who is in some of those threads linked above.
We all praise him and know he was sent to us from the heavens. But anyone that watches his videos won't be able to tell whats harder from the rest. Just what looks nicer. So, your point?Casual watching doesn't qualify you to be a judge. It has to be avid watching. The point there was that the Street fans outnumber the riders. This is a very good thing for any sport. Avid watching means being there when riders are learning, practicing, getting frustrated, and having their triumphs. In this way a non-rider can know the comparitive difficulty of tricks, possibly as good as, or better than a rider can.

If you looked at the previous Unicons...many a judge have been questioned on the scoring system because of this. Some of the most entertaining routines which everyone thought would win, haven't. Or in the case of last year, a *very* entertaining Pairs routine that should not have won, did. Hard to tell if this was a failure of the judges or the system, because the current system has each judge only looking at parts of the performance. In the end, nobody's responsible for the final result. Was that an excellent, professional-level performance? You bet. Was it superior to the Japanese pair in terms of the judging criteria? Not even close. But that's just my opinion, and this type of judging is very subjective.

In 2004 there was a judge in the Expert Freestyle panel who had never even been to a Unicon before. This judge lacked the background and didn't belong there (judging at the Expert level), but sometimes you have to use the people who are willing. The scores from that one judge skewed the results and changed who the world champion was.

think of saying 'learning by osmosis'. language is probably a good example actually. you learn language through mass exposure, not through being taught.That's a good analogy to compare to our sport, where large groups of top-top riders may only get to be in the same place once every two years. You can do this more often nationally or regionally, but then it's not a full picture of the talent that's out there. There are always surprises, new people, and expected riders that can't make it. The "mix" of talent and skills varies greatly compared to well-established sports.

Actually, this (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63446) was what I had in the back of my mind.

I enjoyed that particular routine, in fact it was my favourite. But I know very well why it came second, and I'm not questioning the integrity of the judges. However, as you can see, even experienced Freestyle riders do not understand how points get added up. If you're talking about the ladies' Expert Individual Freestyle from Tokyo, you have every right to question the integrity of the judges. Or at least their Unicon judging experience level. As to which performance was the best under those rules, that's open to opinion. But every judge except the one who had never been to a Unicon saw it the other way around, and I think they had it right.
It's one thing being able to do something well, it's another to be able to judge it in competition.True that. Judging is a separate skill that takes lots of practice, and that many great riders just don't like, or aren't good at. Among other things, you have to try to erase all your biases about the riders you know vs. the ones you don't know, the ones you like vs. the ones you don't like, the ones you hope will do well vs. the ones you don't care either way about, etc. Then you have to analyze to the point where it may take all the fun out of watching the performances for you. It's not for everyone.

[Michaelgoround]

Why can't we all just eat some Cheerios and be friends?

[hobo_chuck]

Why can't we all just eat some Cheerios and be friends?

+1.

We can look back at the old times and laugh at our own stupidity:)
(just don't laugh too hard:o)

[pedrotejada]

Or in the case of last year, a *very* entertaining Pairs routine that should not have won, did. Hard to tell if this was a failure of the judges or the system, because the current system has each judge only looking at parts of the performance. In the end, nobody's responsible for the final result. Was that an excellent, professional-level performance? You bet. Was it superior to the Japanese pair in terms of the judging criteria? Not even close. But that's just my opinion, and this type of judging is very subjective.



mmm... Somehow I liked they won! I really like freestyle... Obviously flat is my life, but I would make a routine for UNICON if the rules were different. I do believe that judging freestyle is WAY different from Street/Fla...

I loved some of the Japanese guys routines, super smooth, hard moves but just boring to watch! People should bring new elements, moves and tricks to freestyle riding, and those guys were able to show that freestyle also must have some inovation. I can see so many tricks that we use in street (like SI-SI unispins) being used in freestyle, but the biggest part of the riders just don't want to try it cause the rules wouldn't give the real value to their routines and new moves(Obs: I don't know the rules, that's what I heard from my friends who rides freestyle)...

I hope some new riders start to change it, bring new elements and also work with IUF to keep improving the rulebook, not just changing their styles cause the book don't give a true value to it...

I hope someday I make a freestyle routine for fun... Basically some street moves with a freestyle uni matching a song :p.... My plan was for this UNICON but my friend isn't going anymore, so I'm not up to do it alone :p

BTW, What's the name of the guys? They are swiss right?

[GizmoDuck]

I hope someday I make a freestyle routine for fun... Basically some street moves with a freestyle uni matching a song :p.... My plan was for this UNICON but my friend isn't going anymore, so I'm not up to do it alone :p


Aw c'mon! Why don't you do the individual freestyle routine? Work some street stuff into it. The worst thing that can happen is that you don't win.

I would LOVE to see a good Street/Flatland rider take on a Freestyle routine, just as much as I like seeing Freestyle riders crossover into Street. It helps bring out different skills and new ideas. That's what it's all about right?

Ken

p/s imagine how amazing it would be if we had a Street/Flatland rider placing in the top 3 at a Freestyle event. Like John said, someone unknown like Simon Wells occasionally comes along and and upstages all the best riders. That would be so cool!

[unicycledood]

You know the stance of every rider that's going to compete at Unicon? But you don't even know who will be competing yet. All riders need to be judged, even if they're not at the elite level.

???????

Read again, I said top riders.
(top 10 roughly) And yes, I know who will be attending (out of those top 10). :)

Ken, if I can confirm they'll be coming I'll ask. But won't bother till then.

[Hazmat]

Why can't we all just eat some Cheerios and be friends?
I couldn't agree with you more on this. We can also have some of these while we are talking about munchies. :D

[MuniOrBust]

Did I ever tell you guys how many Cheerios I've eaten?
Remind me to tell you that story someday.

[Michaelgoround]

I couldn't agree with you more on this. We can also have some of these while we are talking about munchies. :D
Ohhh yus.
I allways have the "munchies". My belly is never satisfied.:D

[BillyTheMountain]

The investigation has concluded that you were rightfully BANNED!

[saskatchewanian]

Billy

What's going on? First its 35˚C (95˚F) in Sask during September and now I am agreeing with you?


I am more of a granola person...

[BillyTheMountain]

Eric,

I'm a granola person too!

Wow!

Billy

[Zzagg]

First I have to say I am NOT against granola people. One of my best friend IS a granola person and I don't mind. Of course it was hard to admit the first time he told me about this, but now I let him live the way he wants and he doesn't involve me into his granola habits. We kind of respect each other.
But, I wonder if this forum is the best place to come out of the biscuit box, since it's supposed to be a family friendly forum... I know people who are very closed minded about this issue around here.

[GILD]

Zzagg, we need to first get these people to admit that Granola is a 'choice', and a pretty bad one at that.
Once we can get them to admit that, we can start teh discussion.

Sorry if that seems harsh, but it's just the right thing to do.