what is wrong with a christian and an athiest being in a relationship?

[1-wheeled-grape]

We haven't been going pout for long, but I am an atheist, whereas Katie, my gf is a Christian and goes to church regularly. I don't see any problem in this, but while at her church a man (who I have never met, and possibly don't want to meet) had a go at her for going out with me, as I am not a Christian. Saying we are both looking for different things out of the relationship regarding sex before marriage and the like.
Me and Katie have worked this out and I respect her views on sex before marriage, and don't want her to do anything she isn't comfortable with. We are still together.
However I don't understand how someone who has never met me can basically say I only want to go out with her for sex, as I am not a Christian. This has angered and upset me, I don't want to be judged this way, why is it seen us unacceptable if we both understand each other have no intention of having a sexual relationship? I just don't understand how people can think that. Im my view it seems stereotypical that as I am not a Christian I just want sex, and sees it as his responsibility to try and break us up. I mean would anyone else see it as unacceptable, having never met the boy friend, only the girl from church... would you jump to conclusions and try to split the relationship because your religion says so? I feel pretty offended by this to be honest.

Oh and this isn't just another rant over is Christianity better or atheism, or whether there is a God. If it turns to that I will ignore the thread, like I do with any other thread like that... I'm not here to argue. Oh and id rather no mention on facebook all of those that have me as a friend on there lol, thanks.
Scott.

[unibikeling]

its called prejudice man.

[BillyTheMountain]

We haven't been going pout for long, but I am an atheist, whereas Katie, my gf is a Christian and goes to church regularly. I don't see any problem in this, but while at her church a man (who I have never met, and possibly don't want to meet) had a go at her for going out with me, as I am not a Christian. Saying we are both looking for different things out of the relationship regarding sex before marriage and the like.
Me and Katie have worked this out and I respect her views on sex before marriage, and don't want her to do anything she isn't comfortable with. We are still together.
However I don't understand how someone who has never met me can basically say I only want to go out with her for sex, as I am not a Christian. This has angered and upset me, I don't want to be judged this way, why is it seen us unacceptable if we both understand each other have no intention of having a sexual relationship? I just don't understand how people can think that. Im my view it seems stereotypical that as I am not a Christian I just want sex, and sees it as his responsibility to try and break us up. I mean would anyone else see it as unacceptable, having never met the boy friend, only the girl from church... would you jump to conclusions and try to split the relationship because your religion says so? I feel pretty offended by this to be honest.

Oh and this isn't just another rant over is Christianity better or atheism, or whether there is a God. If it turns to that I will ignore the thread, like I do with any other thread like that... I'm not here to argue. Oh and id rather no mention on facebook all of those that have me as a friend on there lol, thanks.
Scott.

Scott,

Pay no attention to that butt-in-ski! He has no business in your relationship, and neither you nor your girlfriend should extend him any creidbility.

It's quite common for the guys to be atheist, and to leave the religious education to the mother.

Say yes to love whereever you find it. It's a rare thing.

Billy

[skrobo]

its a common stereotype that people give to athiests...only thing i see wrong with it is i assume she would want to get married "in the church" ... and as far as you believe there is no God, so the marriage as far as God is concerned would be a good topic for debate/discussion (therefore stress, probably moreso for her)

[phlegm]

In some Christian circles it is popular to read 2 Corinthians 6:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%206:14) as applying specifically to marriage as some type of universal moral law. The man at the church is probably motivated by that.

Here is an article that discusses some different opinions. (http://www.religioustolerance.org/ifm_bibl.htm)

[johnfoss]

What is wrong with a Christian and an atheist being in a relationship?Nothing at all, if the two of you are good with it. It's not like you're thinking of getting married, is it? Technically you are a minor, so I guess your parents can have something to say about it, but you get the general idea.
Saying we are both looking for different things out of the relationship regarding sex before marriage and the like.So what is it you're looking for in this relationship regarding sex, and how does this guy know about it? Is he just guessing? Is he guessing correctly? Have the two of you discussed these things about your relationship? It's none of his business in any case. Assume he is being a good Christian by trying to look out for her. Hopefully he's being nice about it.
I don't understand how someone who has never met me can basically say I only want to go out with her for sex, as I am not a Christian.Get used to it. And they will also assume you believe in nothing since you don't believe in the "standard" things. And that you have no concept of moral values, your parents must have really messed up, etc. And if you happen to be black, add in the stuff about watermelon and chicken & stuff. It's the exact same thing, ignorance.
I don't want to be judged this way, why is it seen us unacceptable if we both understand each other have no intention of having a sexual relationship?Part of is is about being 16. Someone very close to my family is going to have a baby in a few months. She wasn't planning for that to happen and her "boyfriend" definitely wasn't. We are hoping he will decide to become a man in the next few months, but he still needs to get his GED and get a job too. They're trying to save you/her from some possible future hassles.
Im my view it seems stereotypical that as I am not a Christian I just want sex, and sees it as his responsibility to try and break us up.Does this man happen to be a relative of hers? It's starting to sound that way. Anyway, being a hypocrite runs strong in most of us. The desire for sex does not seem to play religious favorites. If you have the chance, you could point this out to people but don't expect it to make you any friends. :)

[Matt_V]

Though I'm an atheist, I go to church and have been my entire life. This has given me a good understanding of Christianity, obviously. In general, Christians wouldn't automatically assume this about you just because you are an atheist. It sounds like this guy just doesn't have a clue, and also that he needs to learn to mind his own business.

You should consider giving him a phone call and discussing this with him.

[BillyTheMountain]

Saying we are both looking for different things out of the relationship regarding sex before marriage and the like.
Me and Katie have worked this out and I respect her views on sex before marriage, and don't want her to do anything she isn't comfortable with.

It's true, Scott, and very perceptive to recognize that most atheist men, when having sex, are thinking of very deviant things that no christian women never would and never could live with. It's been proven. Most atheist women can't live with those deep dark dirty sexual fantasies atheist men have.

Yet they marry and live happily ever after.

Go figure.

[peleschramm]

scott,

pay no attention to that butt-in-ski! He has no business in your relationship, and neither you nor your girlfriend should extend him any creidbility.

It's quite common for the guys to be atheist, and to leave the religious education to the mother.

Say yes to love whereever you find it. It's a rare thing.

Billy

+1

[Rezinha]

YouTube - Type O Negative-Christian Woman (Music Video)

[1-wheeled-grape]

So what is it you're looking for in this relationship regarding sex, and how does this guy know about it? Is he just guessing? Is he guessing correctly? Have the two of you discussed these things about your relationship? It's none of his business in any case. Assume he is being a good Christian by trying to look out for her. Hopefully he's being nice about it. No he was completely guessing. I have never met this person before, and katie said the man "had a go at her" for going out with me, so it doesn't seem all that nice. I already knew that being christian she wouldn't have sex before marriage, and that didn't bother me, so for this man t try and breal us up really annoyed me.
Get used to it. And they will also assume you believe in nothing since you don't believe in the "standard" things. And that you have no concept of moral values, your parents must have really messed up, etc. Yeah, thats also pretty annoying, that just becuase I amm not christian I am barbaric or something and just don't understand morals at all. I went to a church of england school and the curiculum there is based almost entirely on christian views and beliefs, so its not like I have no idea. Like you said its just igonrance
Does this man happen to be a relative of hers? It's starting to sound that way. Anyway, being a hypocrite runs strong in most of us. The desire for sex does not seem to play religious favorites. If you have the chance, you could point this out to people but don't expect it to make you any friends. :)As far as I know he isn't, just a man at her church. They all know each other pretty well there and may have spoken to relatives too but Im not going to make assumptions really.

[feel the light]

You are being a fucking pussy. A random lame ass you don't even know, starts a rumor that he might kick your ass unless you swear you are a celibate,.... atheist? , so you do....? ,"oh by the god of fear I won't fuck her", like a fucking pussy.:confused:

Dude, no one really cares if you are having sex with her or not. The question here is if an asshole asks you if you are fucking your girl, will you swear to him you are not ?:) Or have a fine time beating the crap put of him.:D

People should not demand to know stuff that's none of their fucking business. But if they get in your face about it, you must promise to dump your girl, get beat the hell up, or just kick their ass.:D

It is a serious mistake to think that anyone respects a celibate declaring woosie.
Those religious folk are not forgiving like hippies, they will beat your ass.

I strongly suggest you never talk at all to anyone about your sex life with this girl. They are castrating you. Castrate the scared atheist boy game. Call them on their bluff. If they are willing to fight you, I would be surprised.;) Once you get the idea, fights are rare.

Never, ever, let shit heads make you promise you aren't fucking your girl. Celibacy between the two of you is your business. You will be fucking her in the worst way if she hears you talk about celibacy out of cowardice. No one but you two really care if you are having sex. She will notice if you seemed afraid of being accused of it. She needs a guy that can straighten the ass holes out for her, religious nut jobs, or just ass holes. Not an apologist. There are no surviving atheist apologists.

[Jerrick]

Haha, is this a touchy subject for you Light?

[Borges]

If he's one of those people who believe that rejecting God means rejecting morality then it makes sense for him to warn her about you.

Its called prejudice man. :(

[1-wheeled-grape]

You are being a fucking pussy. A random lame ass you don't even know, starts a rumor that he might kick your ass unless you swear you are a celibate,.... atheist? , so you do....? ,"oh by the god of fear I won't fuck her", like a fucking pussy.:confused:

Dude, no one really cares if you are having sex with her or not. The question here is if an asshole asks you if you are fucking your girl, will you swear to him you are not ?:) Or have a fine time beating the crap put of him.:D

People should not demand to know stuff that's none of their fucking business. But if they get in your face about it, you must promise to dump your girl, get beat the hell up, or just kick their ass.:D

It is a serious mistake to think that anyone respects a celibate declaring woosie.
Those religious folk are not forgiving like hippies, they will beat your ass.

I strongly suggest you never talk at all to anyone about your sex life with this girl. They are castrating you. Castrate the scared atheist boy game. Call them on their bluff. If they are willing to fight you, I would be surprised.;) Once you get the idea, fights are rare.

Never, ever, let shit heads make you promise you aren't fucking your girl. Celibacy between the two of you is your business. You will be fucking her in the worst way if she hears you talk about celibacy out of cowardice. No one but you two really care if you are having sex. She will notice if you seemed afraid of being accused of it. She needs a guy that can straighten the ass holes out for her, religious nut jobs, or just ass holes. Not an apologist. There are no surviving atheist apologists.
ok that just made me laugh lol! So basically, beat the crap into people? Right, gotcha!

[Peripatet]

Can't be any worse than a Catholic and a Pagan going out. Lived that one, survived to tell the tale.

[Into the blue]

Surely the two of you would be forced apart like magnets that repel?

How do you hug?

[uni57]

... fucking ... fuck ... fucking ... fucking ... fucking ... fucking ... fucking ...Wow, that's got to be some sort of record on this forum. Not to mention that I get the feeling you didn't carefully read his post.

[Matt_V]

People should not demand to know stuff that's none of their fucking business. But if they get in your face about it, you must promise to dump your girl, get beat the hell up, or just kick their ass.:D

I think that your logic may have one or two flaws in it.

[nannerdw]

That man in the church was wrong to make such a prejudiced statement. I think it is irresponsible for two people to have sex before they are completely committed to a lasting relationship, regardless of their religious beliefs.

Have you considered having children if you do decide to get married? If your future wife grew up in a Christian home, she would most likely want to raise the kids to believe in God. Would you be upset to see your wife's religion having an impact on the children, or would you support it?

[nannerdw]

I don't really expect anyone to take me seriously, because I'm being completely rude and inappropriate.
:rolleyes:

[1-wheeled-grape]

That man in the church was wrong to make such a prejudiced statement. I think it is irresponsible for two people to have sex before they are completely committed to a lasting relationship, regardless of their religious beliefs.

Have you considered having children if you do decide to get married? If your future wife grew up in a Christian home, she would most likely want to raise the kids to believe in God. Would you be upset to see your wife's religion having an impact on the children, or would you support it?
I would support that, but I'm 16, I'm not really looking to get married or have children yet lol

[iAmVincent]

This is why I don't date Christians.

[johnfoss]

No he was completely guessing. I have never met this person before, and katie said the man "had a go at her" for going out with me, so it doesn't seem all that nice.Definitely not, but somehow he knows about you, and your religious views. Apparently not from you. From her? Maybe you'd rather not she share your personal business. But on the other hand she may have been asking him for advice, if he's someone she trusts.
I already knew that being christian she wouldn't have sex before marriage, and that didn't bother me...I hate to break this to you, but most Christian girls seem to have sex before marriage. It bothers *me* that you believe otherwise. And a fair percentage of those girls/women get pregnant before marriage too. Maybe you mean something else when you say "Christian"? :confused:

[Jerrick]

I hate to break this to you, but most Christian girls seem to have sex before marriage. It bothers *me* that you believe otherwise. And a fair percentage of those girls/women get pregnant before marriage too. Maybe you mean something else when you say "Christian"? :confused:

Yeah, I only know one girl who is still a virgin, and she isnt even a Christian, so... yeah.

Though im sure he knows this and that is why he isnt complaining about it. ;)

[Jeremy R]

You see, they only give you a chastity belt key at you conformation.

[BillyTheMountain]

This is why I don't date Christians.

Too bad for you. You're missing out on the absolute BEST premarital sex ever!

You just can't get that kind of sex from an atheist or pagan woman.

[feel the light]

Wow, that's got to be some sort of record on this forum. Not to mention that I get the feeling you didn't carefully read his post.
Yeah, I suppose, if I was swearing.

When a man believes the only "clean love" is between married Christians, and is plainly also of the opinion that atheists can be driven only by sexual attraction, what is he gonna ask you ?

I think my opinion is because I am a 51 year old street performer who went out with a lot of hot woman, plus I had a really fine younger sister. Sometimes a guy would stalk or molest my sister (hey she's a whore, she has a boy friend !) Then Nell would tell me and I would go do a beat down.

Other times a guy would come up and demand to know if I was fucking some girl. Sometimes I didn't even know who the girl was !:confused: I don't know how to accurately describe these events without using the word fucking.

In all cases, refuse to say anything, say it is not their business. Many strange men have asked me this question, with their eyes filled with an odd mix of anger and fear. If they sense that your fear is being increased by their anger, they will get angrier and angrier until they build up the confidence to hit you. Such is the way of all cowards stuck in unhappy lives. I like to jerk them around this way. :D Pretend you are afraid:eek: and let them lather at the mouth until they are ready to fight. Then stop faking fear, and suggest with an ear to ear smile (cat outa the bag:D) that the only fun thing we can do now is fight ! I've drained a few men white with that trick.:D I strongly recommend it for it's serious kicks and giggles. Anger, and the need to feel fear in ones opponent is an essential part of all these morons attack plan. They all seem to have gone to the same school. A man who is in love will fight to the death cheerfully,.... bully morons are full of fear and a craving to impose on others, like a mind leech.

Anyway, if you haven't met them already, you will.

I'm sorry if I implied I thought the OP was a pussy. What I meant to say was, "don't tell nuts you are a celibate atheist." What they will hear is "I am to afraid of you to talk about or be accused of fucking, and will lie because I am afraid you will beat me." That is why this jack off moron wants to insert himself into your love life. It validates his sense of self to think he is controlling others with his "power".

Of course I could be all wrong about this moron in this situation. Trust me on this one, as long as you are involved with hot girls, there will be weird guys feeling you out like a dog sniffing your ass, checking for the fear that you have no plan B. It is just a matter of time until you will need my advices.

Plan B is of course beating someone up, which does sound a bit course or unintellectual. Fucking them up, that's better. :) It goes more to the core of what's happening. You are fighting to keep your sex life private. That's what Jesus would have done. Fucked some guy up so he would mind his own business and respect the Lord's woman. Or even if he was celibate, he still had to deal with morons assaulting his sister.

[Into the blue]

I think my opinion is because I am a 51 year old street performer who went out with a lot of hot woman...

You're 51?

Really?

[BillyTheMountain]

Too bad for you. You're missing out on the absolute BEST premarital sex ever!

You just can't get that kind of sex from an atheist or pagan woman.

If you've "dated" lots of hot women, you can verify this.

[feel the light]

You're 51?

Really?

There are a lot of 50 ish riders on the forum. I think the best of our creaky lot is Terry. In honor of his continual displays of his fun vids and not shyness, I will try to prove I am 51.

Here is a link of an odd stage show I did at a benefit in the 80's. I was a street performer and this was one of the only theater gigs I ever did. Because it was a sorta big show, it was recorded on that "new recording stuff". As far as I know, there are no recordings of my old street shows. It was a treat to stumble on this at you tube !:) I was very rushed, and sort of made a gimmick out of how I was told to do only 5 minutes.

YouTube - busker hall of fame 19

And here is a pic of me several years ago. I don't have a more current pic handy, but I am sure I look at least as old now LOL.:rolleyes:

[Jerrick]

Sweet hair.

[harper]

Honestly, feel_the_light, you don't need to spew all of that gratuitous profanity on this forum to make a good argument or a decent point. Your past posts are articulate enough to show that you write quite well without it.

ok that just made me laugh lol! So basically, beat the crap into people? Right, gotcha!

And don't cut and paste that entire essay of unnecessarily coarse language. Once was already too much.

[Into the blue]

There are a lot of 50 ish riders on the forum. I think the best of our creaky lot is Terry. In honor of his continual displays of his fun vids and not shyness, I will try to prove I am 51.

The reson I asked is because your previous posts made you sound like some fourteen year-old punk.

Ease off on the language please.

[johnfoss]

Wow, very nice club work, made to look pretty effortless! And was that a 7-ball shower-flash? Woah. I spent a lot of time trying to get that with five, and gave up when the guy I was trying to one-up mentioned he could already do it... :p If any YouTube clips of my performances from the 1980s pop up out there, I'll most likely not be telling any of you about them. Especially if they involve juggling! :cool:

[fluxusmaximus]

If the comments were made unprovoked, the church guy seems awfully juvenile you think? It would surely make him a better Christian to speak to you personally or to attempt to get you to church or to introduce you to his religion.

Is the matter affecting your girlfriend as well and making the both of you insecure about your relationship? If not, why should his words be of any bearing? Understandably it's hard to ignore cruelty but the harsh fact is, there are lots of narrow-minded people in the world and you will have to learn to deal with it.

[wobbling bear]

curiously this thread reminds me of something that happened to me a long long time ago!
a so-called "christian" applied the rules of charity by pretending that my marriage was a bad thing since it was not performed in church and I was an atheist.
good thing other real christians disapproved of his critics!
time proved that "official" christian marriage in his family was no proof of a christian behaviour ... alas the poor chap died unmoved and freezed in his convictions. To be so narrow minded didn't make him a happy man.

[feel the light]

Compared to Christians, atheists have a lower divorce rate. They are less likely to beat their wives, sexually abuse children, and especially unlikely to collude with others to cover up the sexual abuse of children. Do you know that a child is 10 x as likely to be raped in their church by a brethren, than to be victimized in a park by a stranger ?

Grossly underrepresented in the prison system, by a factor of 10, the atheist is also 10 x over represented in the top tier of of science and academia. Indeed the inverse correlation between church attendance and education, as well as income, is amazing. So if you want a good outcome for yourself and your family, keep them out of church and see to it that they have a loving protective family and get them a real education. Letting morons fill their brains with fear and superstition will have proven stunting effects. They may be brain washed into tithing or even handing all their income to a cult. Although being raised an atheist does not guarantee your child will not be manipulated by others and taken advantage of, learning not to be afraid and to think for yourself at a young age does seem to help. That's why atheists sometimes refer to the fervent believer who has swallowed the hook, line and sinker of his faith completely as " he's drinking the koolaid ".

Can anyone name me any "family value", that seems to be correlated to church attendance ? Why is it considered a "good family value", to take your children to church ? :confused: Like they don't sit on their ass most of the week already ? One of the odder stat's I found while doing research a while back is that the states with the highest weekly church attendance had the highest obesity rate. Many poor schools have no gym program or daily recess like when I was growing up in CT. So how is your churched kid, who plays sports one day a week gonna fair competing for that sports scholarship with the kid who has had the advantage of 2 days a week since childhood ? The stunting impact of church attendance on children is many faceted. There is a very hard price to pay on many levels. Don't get the scholarship, don't get the education. Without that, a crap job in a town with a poor tax base will have to do. So your grand kid will go to a crap school as well, and that's why there is so many more obese people in the most churched states.

[feel the light]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060502/news_lz1n2thelist.html - Source link


The San Diego Union-Tribune


Church or synagogue attendance by state

May 2, 2006

Forty-two percent of Americans say they attend church or synagogue once a week or almost every week. The ranking by state: church or synagogue attendance by state

Forty-two percent of Americans say they attend church or synagogue once a week or almost every week. The ranking by state:

STATE | PERCENTAGE

Alabama 58%
Louisiana 58%
South Carolina 58%
Mississippi 57%
Utah 55%
Arkansas 55%
Nebraska 53%
North Carolina 53%
Tennessee 52%
Georgia 52%
Oklahoma 50%

Texas 49%

Kentucky 48%

Kansas 47%

West Virginia 46%

Indiana 46%

Missouri 46%

Iowa 46%

South Dakota 45%

Virginia 44%

Minnesota 44%

Delaware 43%

Wisconsin 43%

Idaho 43%

Pennsylvania 43%

North Dakota 43%

Ohio 43%

Illinois 42%

Michigan 42%

National average 42%

Maryland 41%

New Mexico 41%

Florida 39%

Connecticut 37%

Wyoming 36%

Arizona 35%

Colorado 35%

New Jersey 34%

Montana 34%

District of Columbia 33%
New York 33%
Oregon 32%
California 32%
Washington 32%
Maine 31%
Massachusetts 31%
Rhode Island 28%
Nevada 27%
Vermont 24%
New Hampshire 24%

SOURCE: The Gallup Organization


I am crap at figuring out how to post number stuff like I want it to be, correctly side by side.

My idea and challenge to anyone who thinks church attendance has a positive effect on families or the culture of a state, to do this :

1 . Take all the states where 50 % or more of the people go to church sorta weekly or more. Contrast those states "family value statistics" , to the states where 33 % or less go to church that often. I chose this rather than the top and bottom 10 because I wanted to emphasize church attendance as the major factor.

So far, I have found the "churched more states" kinda suck more at any family value I can check, except of course "church attendance per capita".

Lower education, higher teen birth rate, worse murder rates, higher drop out rate, double the incarceration rate, lower per capita income, higher traffic deaths, worse obesity rates, ............ I could go on, but like I said I haven't had time to properly format all my tables.

I am really asking for help here, can anyone find a measurement where the most churched states have a better outcome ?

[1-wheeled-grape]

I hate to break this to you, but most Christian girls seem to have sex before marriage. It bothers *me* that you believe otherwise. And a fair percentage of those girls/women get pregnant before marriage too. Maybe you mean something else when you say "Christian"? :confused:Well as I said in my first post she goes to church regularly and follows the religion closely. I know loads of Christian girls from my school, and most of them have had sex already. I know that the term Christian included all of them but i was more on about the stricter christians, who follow the religion much closer. I wasnt trying to say none of them have sex before marriage, I know that is wrong already.
Any way this whole thing has blown over really, we have sorted it out. Any way I'm off to the cinema with her soon, bye :D

And interesting facts there feel_the_light,some of it is fairly strange but still interesting.

[wobbling bear]

Compared to Christians, atheists have a lower divorce rate. .
though true this is probably a typically american statistics. why? because to be an "out of the closet" atheist in the US is far more difficult than in other countries where the culture is less god-oriented.
So there are differences between "atheist" as an assumed philosophical choice and "atheist" just because you don't care ....
in fact I am not fond of any prejudice be it backed by statistics ....

[Mikefule]

The world is full of people who know exactly how other people ought to live their lives. Often they are religious, but often not.

The person concerned will say it is a matter of "principle". "Principles" are sometimes no more than an easy substitute for "values", just as "beliefs" are often an easy substitute for "thought".

What you and your girlfriend do is between you two and no one else until such time as you have children.

If she chooses to accept the simplistic views of people like that, then that is her decision. If she chooses to think for herself and reach her own accommodation with your different beliefs, then that is also her decision. I hope she does.

You no doubt share many values with everyone in this forum, whether atheist, Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Jew, Muslim, or Sikh. We're all people trying to get along in life with a minimum of interference from other people.

[Geeta]

Scott,

Say yes to love whereever you find it. It's a rare thing.

Billy

Billy is brilliant.

I think it's a great relationship. While you're not having sex you might have lots of time for great conversation. You could consider questions like, what is religion anyway? Is punk rock a religion (Rancid, et al)? Is compassion a religion (His Holiness, the Dalai Lama)? Are each of your personal ethics different because of your different stated religions? etc, etc.

But I guess the really big question is: does Katie uni?

[evil-nick]

Christian, Buddhist, Satanist, Insomniatic Agnosticw/ Dyslexia, it doesn't matter. The only question, as mentioned before, is "Does she uni"? :D

[johnfoss]

What you and your girlfriend do is between you two and no one else until such time as you have children.I would offer a modification to that part: -- until such time that you start having sex. For many teenagers, the connection between having sex and having children is still a lot more fuzzy that it should be...

[BillyTheMountain]

I would offer a modification to that part: -- until such time that you start having sex. For many teenagers, the connection between having sex and having children is still a lot more fuzzy that it should be...

There's a connection? What is it?

[johnfoss]

There's a connection? What is it?
See what I mean? Even kids you think would know better. And kids that actually get laid!

[BillyTheMountain]

Really, it's just so disgusting and unnatural for a Christian and an Atheist to engage in sex.:eek:

I mean, Atheists are like animals sexually, with no morals, just pure instinct, whereas Christians have sex with total purity. It's hard to imagine the two coming together in sexual union.
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:D

[GILD]

YouTube - Type O Negative-Christian Woman (Music Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg7qS2_TYjk)

Evil Rezzie, Evil.

But stunning.


xtian and atheist in a relationship?
Tricky, but normally only from 'their' side.
Welcome to 'mixed' relationships.
I'm a Liverpool fan and Beloved is a Spurs fan.
We're ok when our teams play each other, it's when Manchester United play Arsenal that there's a potential for trouble in our house.

[BillyTheMountain]

Which is hotter? When the guy is the atheist, or the woman?

[JJuggle]

Which is hotter? When the guy is the atheist, or the woman?
That would depend on one's own mythic and fetishistic preferences.

[nubcake]

hmm well i think an atheist girl with a religious guy is likely to be a rather ho-hum relationship and so it's not hot or cold or anything. Vanilla.

BUT... WHEN IT'S REVERSED...

it's clearly hotter when the guy is the atheist simply due to all the flames from hell being stirred when he convinces his religious girl to do the most dirty kinky sex imaginable that will clearly send her to hell. The devil stokes the fires at the same time as the guy does, if you get my drift.

That's not to say that in reverse there aren't SOME naturally real dirty girls out there, it's just that... y'know... what are the chances of a guy being that lucky :cool:

[JJuggle]

hmm well i think an atheist girl with a religious guy is likely to be a rather ho-hum relationship and so it's not hot or cold or anything. Vanilla.

BUT... WHEN IT'S REVERSED...

it's clearly hotter when the guy is the atheist simply due to all the flames from hell being stirred when he convinces his religious girl to do the most dirty kinky sex imaginable that will clearly send her to hell. The devil stokes the fires at the same time as the guy does, if you get my drift.

That's not to say that in reverse there aren't SOME naturally real dirty girls out there, it's just that... y'know... what are the chances of a guy being that lucky :cool:
You have just revealed your mythic and fetishistic preferences.

[nubcake]

Really, it's just so disgusting and unnatural for a Christian and an Atheist to engage in sex.:eek:

I mean, Atheists are like animals sexually, with no morals, just pure instinct, whereas Christians have sex with total purity. It's hard to imagine the two coming together in sexual union.

:D

pretty sure a quick google will sort that "hard to imagine" part out :)

I feel jest mixed with a good dose of seriousness in that last paragraph.

And no, atheists are not like animals sexually... animals are like animals sexually, and humans are like animals sexually because humans are animals. Christians having sex just like to think they have some halo around their head as they do their thing, while atheists are just doing their thing without being so self-proud or feeling holier than others. Doesn't mean love and caring are not involved, and it's insulting to label atheists as being devoid of anything but primal urges. You probably think atheists then swing away on the nearest tree-branch like an ape?

Scumbags (and rapists, who i guess are included anyway) go out to get laid without care in any way for their partner of the moment, not atheists. This goes for both men and women. Next you will be saying you hate it when atheists drink from the same water fountain as you, or when they don't sit right at the back of the bus. Next thing we'll be hearing you wish atheists referred to Christians as "your holiness, sir/ma'am", because clearly Christians in their fantasy world are superior to those who prefer to live in reality and they should be treated with holy respect and admiration, gods unto those poor souls who lack a spaghetti monster in their heart and souls.

For someone who lives in a fantasy world, you sure seem to think atheists live in a fantasy world away from reality. Sounds like an interesting place you are in, so can anyone come visit or is it invite only?

[nubcake]

You have just revealed your mythic and fetishistic preferences.

I haven't revealed anything until I've posted my diagrams.

um, never mind!

[johnfoss]

it's clearly hotter when the guy is the atheist simply due to all the flames from hell being stirred when he convinces his religious girl to do the most dirty kinky sex imaginable that will clearly send her to hell.It seems like you are assuming the atheist is, by default, the more kinky? I think you've got that one backwards. Without repression, you wouldn't have kinky! :)

[Biggestbtc]

II Corinthians 6:14-18-

14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
17"Therefore come out from them
and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you."
18"I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

[nubcake]

It seems like you are assuming the atheist is, by default, the more kinky? I think you've got that one backwards. Without repression, you wouldn't have kinky! :)

i'm almost with you on that one, and yes you can't have one without the other else everyone being repressed would just make everything 'normal' and similarly everyone being not repressed (can't think of the word, tired. unrepressed?) would just make everything 'normal'. What is important in the mix though in regards to my statement is that i was putting forward the idea that it takes the atheist to convince the repressed christian to do the unspeakable, and without this 'temptation' the acts would not be done or considered. Thought about perhaps, but with a feeling of self-disgust and 'sinfulness'. The atheist's persuasion gives rise to the christians indulgence in perversion, the christians SIN! :eek:

biggestbtc : is there some position or statment you are taking with that, or are you just copy-pasting from the bible randomly but in-keeping with the theme of the thread?

[Zzagg]

II Corinthians 6:14-18-

14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
17"Therefore come out from them
and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you."
18"I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."Did you loose you "extinctor in a locked cage" picture? Just find it back, please! whatever the context, it will be more appropriate and interesting than the holy blabla.:rolleyes:

[BillyTheMountain]

It seems like you are assuming the atheist is, by default, the more kinky? I think you've got that one backwards. Without repression, you wouldn't have kinky! :)


http://www.springerlink.com/content/r5677149pt5qn292/

It seems to be just the opposite, John. The link above and many others suggest that neurosis is due to repression, but perversion (or kink) is not. That's why kink is the opposite of neurosis.

[BillyTheMountain]

biggestbtc : is there some position or statment you are taking with that, or are you just copy-pasting from the bible randomly but in-keeping with the theme of the thread?

I think Benjamin's position is that Christian women are really hot! And even hotter than atheist women! Am I right?

[MrBoogiejuice]

I think Benjamin's position is that Christian women are really hot! And even hotter than atheist women! Am I right?

Mother Theresa...

Would you?

[BillyTheMountain]

Mother Theresa...

Would you?

Charity was everything, and she was very generous.

They say she gave freely, loved everyone, asked nothing in return.

a splendid time!

[MrBoogiejuice]

Even more splendid when she took her teeth out...

Apparently.

[BillyTheMountain]

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.:D

[nubcake]

Christian women are hotter only in the context of them being 'teases' that create a tension build-up, until the point you finally break that wall of resistance down and let the sin flow! AMIRITE?!

MrBoogieJuice : ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!!!!!!

what a way to start the day. cheers man

Billy : I started reading that link, then saw it was Freud. Not sure much he says counts because wasn't he quite a twisted and not well person who has had much of his work debunked? I hear his mum was hot or something.

[BillyTheMountain]

Billy : I started reading that link, then saw it was Freud. Not sure much he says counts because wasn't he quite a twisted and not well person who has had much of his work debunked? I hear his mum was hot or something.

Someone once posted a link to Newton as proof of gravity, but wasn't most of his work debunked by Einstein? Read no further, there is no gravity, the Earth sucks.

[Biggestbtc]

Did you loose you "extinctor in a locked cage" picture? Just find it back, please! whatever the context, it will be more appropriate and interesting than the holy blabla.:rolleyes:
lol I might change it anyway.


biggestbtc : is there some position or statment you are taking with that, or are you just copy-pasting from the bible randomly but in-keeping with the theme of the thread?
If you read the passage, you might have gotten some insight into my beliefs concerning the subject at hand. The Bible instructs Christians to not be joined together with unbelievers which would include atheists.

I would say to Scott: the person who is passing judgement on you from afar is not doing right in assuming what your position on premarital sex is. However, if I were in his shoes, I would also advise this girl, if she is a Christian, not to be a "special" friend to you.

I think Benjamin's position is that Christian women are really hot! And even hotter than atheist women! Am I right?
Whatever "hot" means. I appreciate and look for inner beauty in a girl, although looks play a part in attracting me to a girl.

[BillyTheMountain]

Whatever "hot" means. I appreciate and look for inner beauty in a girl, although looks play a part in attracting me to a girl.

Benjamin,

Yes! GOD gave women those HOT BODIES, and put a compass in your pants to give you direction. Follow it!

Billy

[Biggestbtc]

I'm hot-blooded enough without people encouraging me, thank you.

[nubcake]

y'all are a bunch of nancies!

[Biggestbtc]

Did you loose you "extinctor in a locked cage" picture? Just find it back, please! whatever the context, it will be more appropriate and interesting than the holy blabla.:rolleyes:
Happy?

[BillyTheMountain]

If you read the passage, you might have gotten some insight into my beliefs concerning the subject at hand. The Bible instructs Christians to not be joined together with unbelievers which would include atheists.

I would say to Scott: the person who is passing judgement on you from afar is not doing right in assuming what your position on premarital sex is. However, if I were in his shoes, I would also advise this girl, if she is a Christian, not to be a "special" friend to you.


Whatever "hot" means. I appreciate and look for inner beauty in a girl, although looks play a part in attracting me to a girl.

you say looks play a part in attracting you to a girl??!!

Are you more a boob man or an ass man?

[UniBrier]

Are you more a boob man or an ass man?Billy, I pop into this thread and find your sophmoric, demeaning, and objectifying comments about the fairer sex. I did not expect such behavior from one as enlightened as you.

Some may find that you are acting like a boob or an ass, man!

[Biggestbtc]

you say looks play a part in attracting you to a girl??!!

Are you more a boob man or an ass man?
I reserve the right not to answer that question.

[Jerrick]

Ill answer it. I am a boob man.

So, hows the relationship going?

[BillyTheMountain]

I reserve the right not to answer that question.

that means your an ass man! ass men always reserve the right not to answer!

Benjamin is an ass man!

Or just post some pics and prove us wrong!!!

[dudewithasock]

I never understood the appeal of the ass. Sure it's soft and all, but so are boobs, and poop doesn't come out of boobs. Generally speaking, poop is a turnoff.

[Jerrick]

Haha, reminds me of Steve Byrne.

[captainconcarne]

Compared to Christians, atheists have a lower divorce rate. They are less likely to beat their wives, sexually abuse children, and especially unlikely to collude with others to cover up the sexual abuse of children. Do you know that a child is 10 x as likely to be raped in their church by a brethren, than to be victimized in a park by a stranger ?

Grossly underrepresented in the prison system, by a factor of 10, the atheist is also 10 x over represented in the top tier of of science and academia. Indeed the inverse correlation between church attendance and education, as well as income, is amazing. So if you want a good outcome for yourself and your family, keep them out of church and see to it that they have a loving protective family and get them a real education. Letting morons fill their brains with fear and superstition will have proven stunting effects. They may be brain washed into tithing or even handing all their income to a cult. Although being raised an atheist does not guarantee your child will not be manipulated by others and taken advantage of, learning not to be afraid and to think for yourself at a young age does seem to help. That's why atheists sometimes refer to the fervent believer who has swallowed the hook, line and sinker of his faith completely as " he's drinking the koolaid ".

Can anyone name me any "family value", that seems to be correlated to church attendance ? Why is it considered a "good family value", to take your children to church ? :confused: Like they don't sit on their ass most of the week already ? One of the odder stat's I found while doing research a while back is that the states with the highest weekly church attendance had the highest obesity rate. Many poor schools have no gym program or daily recess like when I was growing up in CT. So how is your churched kid, who plays sports one day a week gonna fair competing for that sports scholarship with the kid who has had the advantage of 2 days a week since childhood ? The stunting impact of church attendance on children is many faceted. There is a very hard price to pay on many levels. Don't get the scholarship, don't get the education. Without that, a crap job in a town with a poor tax base will have to do. So your grand kid will go to a crap school as well, and that's why there is so many more obese people in the most churched states.

so basically nothing good has ever come out of going to church, and the only thing worth doing in life is becoming the top scientificly educated and wealthy person?

Ouch, i'm glad I actually go to church and realize there is more to life than self-centeredness.

[BillyTheMountain]

feel the light's stats use enforced-atheist nations like china as the atheist comparison group.

what he's saying is basically anti-christian, and cannot be generalized to persons of Faith. That is, in Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and Jewish nations, none of his invented stats apply.

[GILD]

the only thing worth doing in life is becoming the top scientificly educated and wealthy person?


And not get into crime and not go to prison and not ...

Oh, don't even worry about it.
Hey look! It's time to prey.

[BillyTheMountain]

Hey look! It's time to prey.

Prey on who?

[spazdude222]

Random jump back to original topic: I don't think there's anything WRONG with it, but I think the Bible makes it clear that it can be difficult to follow God when you are with a person who doesn't believe he even exists. Also, if I were such a polar opposite on such a fundamental part of my personality, I don't think I'd WANT to date.

[BillyTheMountain]

Random jump back to original topic: I don't think there's anything WRONG with it, but I think the Bible makes it clear that it can be difficult to follow God when you are with a person who doesn't believe he even exists. Also, if I were such a polar opposite on such a fundamental part of my personality, I don't think I'd WANT to date.

For many, their atheism isn't so fundamental to their personality.

[GILD]

Random jump back to original topic:
What are you?!?

Gay?!!?

if I were such a polar opposite on such a fundamental part of my personality, I don't think I'd WANT to date.

Not a boob-man then?

[maestro8]

I never understood the appeal of the ass.

There are some things you'll never learn if you don't pay attention to them.

[BillyTheMountain]

What are you?!?

Gay?!!?

Research shows that gay christians often feel judged by christian partners, and have better relationships with atheists. Is that a new thread?

[GILD]

I never understood the appeal of the ass.

It's the thinking man's elbow.

[BillyTheMountain]

It's the thinking man's elbow.

:confused:

Huh?

[dudewithasock]

There are some things you'll never learn if you don't pay attention to them.

But anal sex just seems disgusting. Anyway, poop is gross, as I've mentioned before. There's not much else associated with butts, unless you want to count ass-zits and unsightly hair. Blech.

[maestro8]

But anal sex just seems disgusting. Anyway, poop is gross, as I've mentioned before. There's not much else associated with butts, unless you want to count ass-zits and unsightly hair. Blech.

As I've mentioned before, if you don't pay attention, you won't learn. There are a myriad of things associated with the female posterior but all you're associating with them are the gross things.

Ever watch a woman in a nice tight skirt walk away from you? I'm sure you have. Well, you sure can't watch her boobs then...

[dudewithasock]

I'll admit that curves in general are attractive, as we all know, but I always feel weird after ogling a donk, knowing what activities said posterior may engage in at a later period in time. It's a bittersweet feeling, knowing that something that may look nice doesn't do anything nice.

**Edit:

Ever watch a woman in a nice tight skirt walk away from you? I'm sure you have. Well, you sure can't watch her boobs then...

I'd rather see a nice pair of legs. Few pluses over butts, the way I see it:

1. More overall skin and allows a 'scan' rather than a 'stare'.
2. You actually get to see the naked flesh of a leg in public.
3. Good legs are muscular, sleek, and just define sexy, especially if the woman in question is in good shape.
4. I'm a sucker for that oh-so-subtle thigh jiggle. Not pounds of cellulite, mind you, but just that little bit that acts as a firm stake in your proudly pitched tent.

[BillyTheMountain]

ON RELIGION
In ‘Next Fall,’ Playwright Explores Interfaith, Same-Sex Relationships

Sara Krulwich/The New York Times
Patrick Heusinger, left, as Luke, and Patrick Breen as his partner, Adam, in the play “Next Fall” by Geoffrey Nauffts.

By SAMUEL G. FREEDMAN
Published: August 7, 2009
Early in Geoffrey Nauffts’s acclaimed new play “Next Fall,” two gay men linger at the breakfast table after their first night of making love. Before tucking into his eggs, the one named Luke closes his eyes to pray. His new boyfriend, Adam, looks on aghast. As Mr. Nauffts’s stage directions specify, “The honeymoon has just ended.”