Daily Bible Verse

[TheGreenMonster]

Ok Dokie so I'm pretty much making a thread, with a bible verse a day if you don't want a Bible verse everyday just simply dont stop in ^_^ if you do come on down. any ways I thought this would be a good starter since its about receiving forgiveness of sins.


Heb 4:16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

God's mercy is nothing you urn, if it was we would be in some serious trouble, all it takes is to realize our sin a filth and that Christ perfect holy life is enough!

so come to the throne of grace with confidence not in our own good deeds but in Gods great mercy

[TheGreenMonster]

also if anyone ever wants to ask anything but doesnt want to put it out there on here just PM me, I'll happily answer your questions ^_^

[harper]

also if anyone ever wants to ask anything...

Yeah. I want to ask why you people keep doing stuff like this? Why don't you start roller skating and start these threads in a roller skating forum?

[peleschramm]

Please refrain from posting daily bible verses. I don't believe it to be healthy for the Unicycling community.

[captainconcarne]

its healthy if you pay attention, but most people just reject it.

[peleschramm]

its healthy if you pay attention, but most people just reject it.

Though this is debatable, in the past it seems as though such things have separated our community. While some do find reward in the pages of the "holy book", it is a matter of great controversy, and overall, this thread will just cause atheists to hate theists more, for taking up thread-space, and that will cause theists to hate atheists more, for being so inconsiderate.

So please, for the benefit of this community, choose another location to share your favorite preachings.

[uninorcal]

Yeah. I want to ask why you people keep doing stuff like this? Why don't you start roller skating and start these threads in a roller skating forum?

Roller skating forum LOL.

[Zzagg]

Though this is debatable, in the past it seems as though such things have separated our community. While some do find reward in the pages of the "holy book", it is a matter of great controversy, and overall, this thread will just cause atheists to hate theists more, for taking up thread-space, and that will cause theists to hate atheists more, for being so inconsiderate.

So please, for the benefit of this community, choose another location to share your favorite preachings.I was going to post some much tougher opinion on this issue, thanks for not being an a**hole like me Pele, you found the words that will probably avoid this thread from becoming the new "Unicycle For Christ" thread.

[captainconcarne]

well, i agree that Daily Bible verse threads are somewhat annoying, even though i am a Christian, mostly because I already read my Bible, and it also causes division.

I guess that even though I think it is good to try, it will in the end not really make a difference.

[Obtusellama]

hey, bible verses aren't all that bad. Check out this one! :P

"Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria."

2 Kings 2:23-25

But yeah...im a christian myself and like captainconcarne said. It does seem to just cause division. Good try though TheGreenMonster :)

[GILD]

Mmmm, interesting one.

Should he not have posted this thread because it's divisive to our unicycling community?

I post threads about lavalamps, which might be divisive.
People make threads about new Nike's, which is SPAM.

This thread will get a lot of traffic and a lot of comments.

In the spirit of live and let live, I'd like to think we can ask people to leave this mostly alone?

Alternative (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=daily+bible+verses+in+your+mailbox)ly.

[Fraggle]

Lol, sorry, couldn't resist.

[Obtusellama]

Mmmm, interesting one.

Should he not have posted this thread because it's divisive to our unicycling community?

I post threads about lavalamps, which might be divisive.
People make threads about new Nike's, which is SPAM.

This thread will get a lot of traffic and a lot of comments.

In the spirit of live and let live, I'd like to think we can ask people to leave this mostly alone?

Alternative (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=daily+bible+verses+in+your+mailbox)ly.

Hm...It's just that on the other forums ive been on whenever a thread like this pops up it tends to just cause fights. Im in no way saying it's bad to spread the word of Christ but some people just dont appreciate it and will start something.

However i am new to this forum and so far it seems very mature.

[ninja tom]

hey GILD, how'd you do that thing when it 'does it for you'? I've seen someone else do it before aswell,It's pretty cool.

yeah, no offence mate, but I think it is a bit..

T

[habbywall]

Roller skating forum LOL.

Are you serious? You realize this is a UNICYCLE forum, right?

[GILD]

hey GILD, how'd you do that thing when it 'does it for you'? I've seen someone else do it before aswell,It's pretty cool.

yeah, no offence mate, but I think it is a bit..

T
go to www.letmegooglethatforo (http://lmgtfy.com/)yu.com, it does it for you.
Enter your question, hit search and then copy/paste the provided link.

I think so too, but I also think a little respect goes a long way.

Unlike other users who have pushed their religious agendae on this forum, this poster has not been flooding the forum with such threads, hasn't been aggressively and offensively arguing the point and frankly, I think it might be time we give peace a chance and let the religios have their bible verses.

[BillyTheMountain]

go to www.letmegooglethatforo (http://lmgtfy.com/)yu.com, it does it for you.
Enter your question, hit search and then copy/paste the provided link.

I think so too, but I think a little respect goes a long way.

Unlike other users who have pushed their religious agenda on this forum, this poster has not been flooding the forum with such threads, hasn't been aggressively and offensively arguing the point and frankly, I think it might be time where we give peace a chance and let the religios have their bible verses.

Dave,

Just as Star Trek episodes do not belong to the Trekies, Bible verses do not belong to the religious.

The Faithful and others both benefit from the broader base of analysis and understanding, the capacity to place the stories in historical and social context, etc.

Billy
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[BillyTheMountain]

Though this is debatable, in the past it seems as though such things have separated our community. While some do find reward in the pages of the "holy book", it is a matter of great controversy, and overall, this thread will just cause atheists to hate theists more, for taking up thread-space, and that will cause theists to hate atheists more, for being so inconsiderate.

So please, for the benefit of this community, choose another location to share your favorite preachings.

Please do not cast our atheist brothers and sisters as haters. Many are tolerant, and all atheists have the capacity for tolerance.

It is threads like this that give atheists the opportunity to exercise tolerance. Otherwise, how will they ever grow.

The truly Faithful, aspiring to emulate their Most Compassionate and Most Merciful GOD, also get a chance to exercise compassion and mercy to those who inadvertently (or in their infant-like unawareness) smite them. So it's good fro everyone.

Billy

[Biggestbtc]

Please refrain from posting daily bible verses. I don't believe it to be healthy for the Unicycling community.

He should've posted it in RSU...

"Inspirational Unicycling Verses"

Just be glad he posted in JC. We've tolerated MR(or not) so why can't we tolerate this?

[ThisGuyIKnow]

If people keep their preaching to the preaching thread it really isn't that bothersome.

[BluntRM]

The Faithful and others both benefit from the broader base of analysis and understanding, the capacity to place the stories in historical and social context, etc.
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You know Billy,
The other day my girlfriend, the atheist, was prepping for a religious studies course and she asked me what I thought about the book of Judges. I said I didn't know it very well. She asked why not (my parents took me to church for several years and so this makes me the pope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope)). I explained to her that the bible was never presented as a book to be read from front to back, or right to left, so the chapters, stories and verses were always incongruous, random, cherry picked from their surroundings like a llama at the zoo. It was a verse a day for years. The textual breakdown had no logical boundary beyond the earthly authority's conception and without that guide, nothing could stay the glue that keeps books as chapters and paragraphs; they disintegrate into words and vowels and sounds. It's myopic. An entire history surrounds the authors, the language, the translations, the text within the text, the meta-contextualism (a word my spell checker thinks I just made up)....


Heb 4:16 Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.


It'd be superficial to gleam anything from this without a question of time and place, subject-- L. Ron Hubbard?


So I told my girlfriend I have no idea what she's talking about.

[peleschramm]

I was going to post some much tougher opinion on this issue, thanks for not being an a**hole like me Pele, you found the words that will probably avoid this thread from becoming the new "Unicycle For Christ" thread.

Oh really? Haha I thought I was kinda being an a**hole... But I've seen enough of these things...

[peleschramm]

Lol, sorry, couldn't resist.

:D

That's now my desktop background.

[BillyTheMountain]

You know Billy, I explained to her that the bible was never presented as a book to be read from front to back, or right to left, so the chapters, stories and verses were always incongruous, random, cherry picked from their surroundings like a llama at the zoo. It was a verse a day for years. The textual breakdown had no logical boundary beyond the earthly authority's conception and without that guide, nothing could stay the glue that keeps books as chapters and paragraphs; they disintegrate into words and vowels and sounds.

http://www.gratefulness.org/readings/dsr_lent.htm

This web is about the ashes many Roman Catholics just received on Ash Wednesday, the day after excess known by various names (Carnivale in the West Indies, Fat Tuesday in Mardi Gras). The ashes come from the ashes of burned Palm Sunday palms:

"the Palm Sunday procession in which we carry palm branches, as the people did who welcomed Jesus into Jerusalem, is a counter-demonstration to the entry of Pontius Pilate into the city from the other side. Pilate came on horseback surrounded by soldiers; Jesus came riding on a donkey as Prince of Peace. This and his other non-violent demonstrations cost Jesus his life. So, when we are signed with these ashes we are reminded of the “cost of discipleship” (the title of a book by Dietrich Bonhoeffer, whom the Nazis executed for his faith).

[Jerrick]

I dont see what the problem is. Just ignore it like many people ignore MR.

[critter]

I came here to read a bible verse, not to read a bunch of intolerant bun-holes scribbling.

Be tolerant of other's interest.

[saskatchewanian]

I don't think a bible verse thread is really a bad thing as long as it stays about bible verses instead of religion in general.

Not that long ago half the threads on the first page of JC were religious in context. It really did divide the community and got a bit ugly. Religion is a huge part of a lot of peoples lives so I think it is only natural to want to talk about it but nobody is happy when people start getting preachy especially over the internet where so many things can be misconstrued or misunderstood.


If it was stated right at the start of this thread that it was for the discussion of a single bible verse a day and not a discussion on christianity in general it probably would have had a good chance of becoming a very worthwhile thread. Unfortunately it has become a place to argue about threads about religion.


Wait for this one to die and once people forget about it try again giving a few ground rules for the thread next time and maybe people will respect the purpose of the thread.

[Jerrick]

I don't think a bible verse thread is really a bad thing as long as it stays about bible verses instead of religion in general.

Not that long ago half the threads on the first page of JC were religious in context. It really did divide the community and got a bit ugly. Religion is a huge part of a lot of peoples lives so I think it is only natural to want to talk about it but nobody is happy when people start getting preachy especially over the internet where so many things can be misconstrued or misunderstood.


If it was stated right at the start of this thread that it was for the discussion of a single bible verse a day and not a discussion on Christianity in general it probably would have had a good chance of becoming a very worthwhile thread. Unfortunately it has become a place to argue about threads about religion.


Wait for this one to die and once people forget about it try again giving a few ground rules for the thread next time and maybe people will respect the purpose of the thread.

On the internet, everything is preachy. I can say that right now, you are being preachy, just as easy as you can say I am being preachy. As soon as someone says something against Christ, I can say that is preachy, just like when they get upset and call me preachy when i say something for Christ.

Waiting for this one to die isnt going to help. As soon as its replacement is made, the same people will jump back in and start the same thing all over again. I preach that this just stays how it is, the people wanting to use this thread how it was meant to be used, will. And the people who just cant help themselves to jump in and disagree will do that as well.

I suggest they ignore this thread like many people ignore MR, and I (And hopefully others) will ignore them and just go about our versy ways.

[harper]

I suggest they ignore this thread like many people ignore MR, and I (And hopefully others) will ignore them and just go about our versy ways.

Amen to that, brother. But your sig line still blows. Oops...can't help being preachy.

[saskatchewanian]

you are probably right but I like to think that people on these forums can behave themselves if they are given the ground rules ahead of time, I guess I am an optimist.


I didn't realize I was being preachy. I guess you could say I was preaching setting up ground rules in the first post of a discussion thread.


I like sitting in on rational discussion about different aspects of the bible and faith, It helps me understand theists and where they are coming from with some of their beliefs. It is just such a touchy subject for lots of people that it would be hard to start a thread on it.


I am just one atheist that is for the occasional religious thread that doesn't turn into a flame war.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Bible Verses are cool as long as people don't wave them in my face like a weapon.


Which happens all too often with Bible Verses...

So if that happens, I'll just ignore this thread, along with most of the others.

[mscalisi]

I like the idea of this thread. I'm going to use it as a place to post a daily Stryper video.

YouTube - Stryper-Calling on you

[peleschramm]

I am all for posting religious ideas and discussing them and whether or not they are likely to be right or not, and what we can learn from religious scriptures and other works of philosophy as long as this is done in a mature and open minded manner. From past experiences, however, this forum seems to be incapable of taking ideas and interpreting them in an unbiased manner or without personally attacking others. Such discussion, when everyone grew up with different ideas shoved so so deeply into their minds to the point that they have convinced themselves that they are absolutely sure that they are right and everyone else is wrong and not a single thing out there could change their minds, rarely brings about health to a community.

If the members of this community joined this forum in order to discuss various points of view, or even to discuss one point of view to get it shoved even more deeply into their skulls so that it will be eternally jammed in there, then this thread would be more than appropriate. However, the members of this community most likely joined to talk about their favorite activity (or not necessarily favorite), and perhaps to kill some time with posting witty little conversations in JC, and are not necessarily in the right mind to speak of such things.

So until everyone here lets go of their previous biases (or if everyone shares the same biases), and until everyone here is even interested in such things, please refrain from posting things such as a Daily Bible Verse, as this is simply the wrong audience.

[uni57]

Dave (GILD), I'm with you. As a once outspoken atheist, I would like to say yes, it's time for peace. If one is inclined to debate and attack religion, there is a multitude of threads to choose from. We can ignore this thread as we ignore any other thread of disinterest.

[johnfoss]

So, GreenMonster, probably not what you expected here. This always seems to happen with the Christian-based threads, probably based on past history more than anything else (a few people who posted too many of them). They never seem to be able to stay on topic. So I'm not sure if you're going to try to continue.

I have no problem with it. Like many have said above, there are threads here that I don't touch (especially the one about posting last; I don't think I'll live long enough so what's the point?). A Bible verse a day is far less annoying to me than a daily horoscope, pretending to tell me something about my immediate future. Both are usually pretty generic in the details, but at least the Bible is a real book; nobody's making it up (actual human authors excepted)!

But if you're going to follow the daily verse with some preaching of your own, I highly recommend you invest an extra minute or two on things like spelling, capitalization and punctuation. I found your first effort almost unintelligible.

[peleschramm]

A Bible verse a day is far less annoying to me than a daily horoscope, pretending to tell me something about my immediate future. Both are usually pretty generic in the details, but at least the Bible is a real book; nobody's making it up (actual human authors excepted)!


Aren't horoscopes also made by actual human authors?

I do not know much about horoscopes, but I've always figured that humans wrote them...

[johnfoss]

Horoscopes are written by living authors that have no track record. People don't go buying the "Book of Horoscopes, 1963" because it has no more value than today's horoscopes. In fact, maybe it's the same as today's horoscopes but that's not my point. At least the Bible is an accepted source of philosophical information, just as the Koran, Torah, etc. It carries more weight than a stupid horoscope...

[peleschramm]

Horoscopes are written by living authors that have no track record. People don't go buying the "Book of Horoscopes, 1963" because it has no more value than today's horoscopes. In fact, maybe it's the same as today's horoscopes but that's not my point. At least the Bible is an accepted source of philosophical information, just as the Koran, Torah, etc. It carries more weight than a stupid horoscope...

So, in a way, you are saying that the bible is more worthwhile to read/know about because it's more famous?

If so I agree. Assuming we reduce both horoscopes and the bible to utter nonsense, it is usually more useful to know of something that many others know of and many others even believe in, regardless of it's accuracy, since if you know what nonsense people believe in, you have gained a better understanding of both people and nonsense, whereas with something that is nonsense and few people know of it/believe in it, you have just gained more knowledge about nonsense, and very little about people.

At a first glance, I couldn't find any more advantages as to preferring the bible over horoscopes (remember that this is assuming that both are pure nonsense), but perhaps there are more that I have not thought of.

[BillyTheMountain]

1. The Bible is much more central to mainstream culture than horoscopes.

2. You will be way behind in any literature class if you do not know the Bible.

[TheGreenMonster]

if you're going to follow the daily verse with some preaching of your own, I highly recommend you invest an extra minute or two on things like spelling, capitalization and punctuation. I found your first effort almost unintelligible.


alright sounds good.


So a lot of people are hating, I think its worthless to even enter this thread if you do not want a daily bible verse, but thats just my opinion.

This thread is for folks that want it, I don't want to shove anything down anyone's anything, so please if you don't want any of this dont come

Thanks for all the opinions and Ideas
Green

[tumbles]

I imagined this thread was going to be really annoying but I really enjoyed reading it. I thought it was going to be full of preaching and faith based arguments. Instead its intelligent to ....semi-intelligent statements regarding the postings of the Bible, several were quite entertaining. Thus said, I feel compelled to participate.

I say post away, post about whatever you want in JC, you won't convert me, offend me and all I have to do is not read it (which many have already stated).

Now, just to play the devil's advocate (no pun intended),I wonder how a topic of Satan worshipping would go over (assuming there is no bashing or blatant disregard for other people, remember this is hypothetical). Would people feel compelled to shut something like that down as offensive? If I posted a thread on the day you will die because I am the God of Death Unicycling, and I believe when I unicycle I can predict things, Billy, would you show the same tolerance and respect that you have asked for? Would you take it as an opportunity to analyze and grow?

Again, not trying to poke a hornets’ nest, I really find this thread interesting.

[Jerrick]

Even without being religious, a passage still gives you something to think about for that day. Just a reminder to do something better than usual, which I think most people here can agree upon. And thats what I like about them.

A nice reminder each day to better yourself. You can almost think of it like a fortune cookie.

[Michaelgoround]

I am all for posting religious ideas and discussing them and whether or not they are likely to be right or not, and what we can learn from religious scriptures and other works of philosophy as long as this is done in a mature and open minded manner. From past experiences, however, this forum seems to be incapable of taking ideas and interpreting them in an unbiased manner or without personally attacking others. Such discussion, when everyone grew up with different ideas shoved so so deeply into their minds to the point that they have convinced themselves that they are absolutely sure that they are right and everyone else is wrong and not a single thing out there could change their minds, rarely brings about health to a community.

If the members of this community joined this forum in order to discuss various points of view, or even to discuss one point of view to get it shoved even more deeply into their skulls so that it will be eternally jammed in there, then this thread would be more than appropriate. However, the members of this community most likely joined to talk about their favorite activity (or not necessarily favorite), and perhaps to kill some time with posting witty little conversations in JC, and are not necessarily in the right mind to speak of such things.

So until everyone here lets go of their previous biases (or if everyone shares the same biases), and until everyone here is even interested in such things, please refrain from posting things such as a Daily Bible Verse, as this is simply the wrong audience.

So, in a way, you are saying that the bible is more worthwhile to read/know about because it's more famous?

If so I agree. Assuming we reduce both horoscopes and the bible to utter nonsense, it is usually more useful to know of something that many others know of and many others even believe in, regardless of it's accuracy, since if you know what nonsense people believe in, you have gained a better understanding of both people and nonsense, whereas with something that is nonsense and few people know of it/believe in it, you have just gained more knowledge about nonsense, and very little about people.

At a first glance, I couldn't find any more advantages as to preferring the bible over horoscopes (remember that this is assuming that both are pure nonsense), but perhaps there are more that I have not thought of.
For somone talking about not being biased you sure are being very biased.

[TheGreenMonster]

James 1:22-25 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it-he will be blessed in what he does

[ThisGuyIKnow]

Even without being religious, a passage still gives you something to think about for that day. Just a reminder to do something better than usual, which I think most people here can agree upon. And thats what I like about them.

A nice reminder each day to better yourself. You can almost think of it like a fortune cookie.

Then why not just have an "inspirational quote of the day" thread.

[Mikefule]

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

[Mikefule]

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 )

[BillyTheMountain]

Please do not cast our atheist brothers and sisters as haters. Many are tolerant, and all atheists have the capacity for tolerance.

It is threads like this that give atheists the opportunity to exercise tolerance. Otherwise, how will they ever grow.

The truly Faithful, aspiring to emulate their Most Compassionate and Most Merciful GOD, also get a chance to exercise compassion and mercy to those who inadvertently (or in their infant-like unawareness) smite them. So it's good fro everyone.

Billy

I say post away, post about whatever you want in JC, you won't convert me.

[Billy says: You have been converted, and it is always difficult to convert a convert]

If I posted a thread on the day you will die because I am the God of Death Unicycling, and I believe when I unicycle I can predict things, Billy, would you show the same tolerance and respect that you have asked for? Would you take it as an opportunity to analyze and grow?


YOu ask: would you show the same tolerance and respect that you have asked for?

I had to go back and copy what I had originally posted, to see if in fact I did that.

I did not ask for tolerance and respect. I simply said that opinions/beliefs/etc different from your own offer an opportunity to exercise tolerance.

While I don't pretend to understand the thread you propose, I think it would give people an opportunity to exercise tolerance.

[TheGreenMonster]

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 )
and thats why Christ is the only way to heaven God is just.

[ThisGuyIKnow]

and thats why Christ is the only way to heaven God is just.

If God were just everyone would go to heaven regardless of whether they read and quote all the books people wrote about him in order to keep the uneducated masses in check, or whether they think his supposed son is magical or not.

[tumbles]

YOu ask: would you show the same tolerance and respect that you have asked for?

I did not ask for tolerance and respect. I simply said that opinions/beliefs/etc different from your own offer an opportunity to exercise tolerance.

While I don't pretend to understand the thread you propose, I think it would give people an opportunity to exercise tolerance.

Well I miss interpreted the request for respect/tolerance then, and my second example was poorly executed.

My intention was to see if you really stood by what you said, nothing more. I am reminded of certain extremist Christian groups holding signs that say "AIDS is the cure for GAY" (I DON'T want to start talking about extremists, and I am NOT calling you or anyone here one), I always thought this really discredited them. Remember the story of Jesus and the Prostitute, and casting stones? But I find that if you would exercise tolerance, and allow growth to come from an anti-god, anti-Jesus thread then I would say you truly believe what you talk about. That it's the message and delivery, not necessarily the institution.

On another note, I hate to argue, but I am not converted in any sense to anything. I was raised Christian, and when I reached a certain age I very seriously lost faith in everything. I firmly do not believe in God, Jesus or any other religion for that matter. I believe in reason, logic, and respect for someone else’s opinion. I think that being able to see someone else's point of view, and understand it even though you don't agree is most important to a world of infinite views.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

A Bible verse a day is far less annoying to me than a daily horoscope, pretending to tell me something about my immediate future. Both are usually pretty generic in the details, but at least the Bible is a real book; nobody's making it up (actual human authors excepted)!


There's actually more to horoscopes than you might think. They are generic and such (although not as much as you probably imagine) but you can glean a great deal of good advice from them.

[BillyTheMountain]

If God were just everyone would go to heaven regardless of whether they read and quote all the books people wrote about him in order to keep the uneducated masses in check, or whether they think his supposed son is magical or not.

That's your idea of JUSTICE?

I'm voting for you as Supreme Court Judge.

Still, you might have some problems in hotly contested divorce cases.....

[BillyTheMountain]

On another note, I hate to argue, but I am not converted in any sense to anything. I was raised Christian, and when I reached a certain age I very seriously lost faith in everything. I firmly do not believe in God, Jesus or any other religion for that matter. I believe in reason, logic, and respect for someone else’s opinion. I think that being able to see someone else's point of view, and understand it even though you don't agree is most important to a world of infinite views.

when you reached a certain age, you were converted to reason, logic, and respect for someone else’s opinion.

My dog is like you, except she isn't too respectful of opinions.

[ThisGuyIKnow]

That's your idea of JUSTICE?

I'm voting for you as Supreme Court Judge.

Still, you might have some problems in hotly contested divorce cases.....

Yes, I wouldn't only reward those that cower to my whims.

[tumbles]

when you reached a certain age, you were converted to reason, logic, and respect for someone else’s opinion.

My dog is like you, except she isn't too respectful of opinions.

Billy, I've believed in reason when I also believed in god, there was no conversion. I like how you compare me to a dog it both credits your belief in Jesus and his many teachings to love the non-believers. I think you might not have to say such things if you practiced more of what Jesus teaches. I was merely trying to have a conversation with you, but you seem to have to turn to insults to get your point across, well spoken, your real knowledge base of Christianity shines.

[BillyTheMountain]

Billy, I've believed in reason when I also believed in god, there was no conversion. I like how you compare me to a dog it both credits your belief in Jesus and his many teachings to love the non-believers. I think you might not have to say such things if you practiced more of what Jesus teaches. I was merely trying to have a conversation with you, but you seem to have to turn to insults to get your point across, well spoken, your real knowledge base of Christianity shines.

First of all, I love my dog. She accompanies me everywhere, and runs free off-leash while I unicycle through the park. Together, we are a small pack. You have not been involved in other conversations wherein, was it Dave Lowell? said dogs are atheists because they do not believe in GOD.

So don't blame ME for that, and don't take offense.

I think it's cool how you want people to behave in line with the teachings of Jesus! Me too!

I might say the conversion occurred when you lost your faith in GOD.

Mostly this occurs when you define GOD in some odd way.

I always thought it difficult to prove LOVE exists. No one can prove it exists, but nevertheless, I have faith. I experience it.

What about you?

[Biggestbtc]

I am just one atheist that is for the occasional religious thread that doesn't turn into a flame war.

That happens. So does that.

James 1:22-25 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it-he will be blessed in what he does

Yeah. With the Bible, it's take it or leave it. If you really knew all that it said, you would not treat it like a sentimental essay or something like that.

Then why not just have an "inspirational quote of the day" thread.

Jerrick didn't start this thread...:)

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

I have thought over the issue of slavery and wondered if our culture hasn't taught us that all slavery is wrong. The abuses of slavery are wrong. I won't disagree with that. But whether owning a person is morally wrong or not, I don't know. They did it back in the days BC, and it was probably just fine back then. In our culture, however, it just doesn't seem right. It must be one of those "grey" areas and not a moral issue. (I'm kind of just working out my thoughts here. I haven't made up my mind.) :cool:

The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath. He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies! The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished. He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm. The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet. At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt. In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before his fierce anger? Who can survive his burning fury? His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence. The LORD is good. When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge. And he knows everyone who trusts in him. But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood. He pursues his foes into the darkness of night. (Nahum 1:2-8 )

That's a great passage! God does not tolerate evil, but his children he will protect. But this is Daily Bible Verse, so try to keep the passages a little shorter.:) And daily. If you were looking for some more "scandalous" verses, keep looking. But just remember that reading and interpreting a verse out of its context is a dangerous practice.

There's actually more to horoscopes than you might think. They are generic and such (although not as much as you probably imagine) but you can glean a great deal of good advice from them.

I thought horoscopes were telling you what was going to happen, not what you should do. Or is that how horoscopes work?

[BillyTheMountain]

Yes, I wouldn't only reward those that cower to my whims.

Please share some of your whims.

[Phil_on_uni]

Just be glad he posted in JC. We've tolerated MR(or not) so why can't we tolerate this?

hahahahhahhahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahaha

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

I thought horoscopes were telling you what was going to happen, not what you should do. Or is that how horoscopes work?

The horoscopes I read give advice on how you should conduct yourself, what sort of activities you should engage, etc. based on the alignment of the stars and so on...

[BillyTheMountain]

I have thought over the issue of slavery and wondered if our culture hasn't taught us that all slavery is wrong. The abuses of slavery are wrong. I won't disagree with that. But whether owning a person is morally wrong or not, I don't know. They did it back in the days BC, and it was probably just fine back then. In our culture, however, it just doesn't seem right. It must be one of those "grey" areas and not a moral issue. (I'm kind of just working out my thoughts here. I haven't made up my mind.) :cool:

If it's not immoral to own slaves, I'll own YOU! I'll treat you pretty good, but no pay. You'll never need money anyway, I'll take care of you.

Don't try to escape, or all the authorities will hunt you down and return MY PROPERTY to its rightful owner. My slave must be able to do constant unicycle tune-ups and keep wheels true, free training included. You can even accompany me on rides, you carry the food, water, and tools.

[tumbles]

Billy,

It's hard to interpret things correctly with text, I shouldn't have just assumed you were insulting me; eh dog comment, you can see how that can be easily confused, my apologies.

In any respect I have to think about how I would define conversion - I take it as accepting a belief, which would support the belief there is no god. So in all respect I was converted. But I started thinking some more, could the absence of belief count as a belief (or am I splitting hairs). Well either way you are correct it is difficult to convert the converted.

I'm still debating whether I'm agnostic or atheist, I haven't made up my mind, I just have a hard time following people who talk about religion and never practice it, which is what drove me from religion as a boy.

Sorry if I came off snotty I do enjoy debates regarding religion etc

[critter]

The horoscopes I read give advice on how you should conduct yourself, what sort of activities you should engage, etc. based on the alignment of the stars and so on...
science meets dear abby:rolleyes:

[BillyTheMountain]

Billy,

It's hard to interpret things correctly with text, I shouldn't have just assumed you were insulting me; eh dog comment, you can see how that can be easily confused, my apologies.

In any respect I have to think about how I would define conversion - I take it as accepting a belief, which would support the belief there is no god. So in all respect I was converted. But I started thinking some more, could the absence of belief count as a belief (or am I splitting hairs). Well either way you are correct it is difficult to convert the converted.

I'm still debating whether I'm agnostic or atheist, I haven't made up my mind, I just have a hard time following people who talk about religion and never practice it, which is what drove me from religion as a boy.

Sorry if I came off snotty I do enjoy debates regarding religion etc

I understand completely. I can be coarse sometimes, but people who have read me over the years know it's my odd sense of humor. Even when I sound truly offensive, it's tongue-in-cheek. You're coming off great!

The whole atheist-agnostic thing has been debated LOTS here over the years, you might even do a search.

I've brought up that GOD=LOVE thing, but no one wants to prove or disprove the existence of love. No one takes that one on. For some reason they seem to say, "I experience love, that's enough proof."

The Faithful say: I experience GOD, that's enough proof.

The cynic says: There is no love. So-called "lovers" are suffering from a delusion. Snap out of it and into REASON. Cynics don't organize the way atheists do, though, or start threads.

[Biggestbtc]

hahahahhahhahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahaha

I'm glad you found that amusing.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

science meets dear abby:rolleyes:

I didn't say it was scientific or anything. It's religion. :p
They just tell you to do what you should do anyway...


And Biggest, considering people property, livestock, or whatever is pretty inhumane. "Owning" another human being is just wrong.

Face it, there's stuff in the Bible that's just wrong.
Not every word is sacred.

[Michaelgoround]

If it's not immoral to own slaves, I'll own YOU! I'll treat you pretty good, but no pay. You'll never need money anyway, I'll take care of you.

Don't try to escape, or all the authorities will hunt you down and return MY PROPERTY to its rightful owner. My slave must be able to do constant unicycle tune-ups and keep wheels true, free training included. You can even accompany me on rides, you carry the food, water, and tools.
How much tools, food, and water do I have to carry? Can I have weekends off? I eat a lot, is that a problem? And I'd rather be an indentured servant if thats fine with you.

I'm still debating whether I'm agnostic or atheist, I haven't made up my mind, I just have a hard time following people who talk about religion and never practice it, which is what drove me from religion as a boy.

It was people living out their faith that greatly encouraged me to change my lifestyle. I wish more people would truly live out their faith.

[BillyTheMountain]

How much tools, food, and water do I have to carry? Can I have weekends off? I eat a lot, is that a problem? And I'd rather be an indentured servant if thats fine with you.

It was people living out their faith that greatly encouraged me to change my lifestyle. I wish more people would truly live out their faith.

Slave it is. That's the only option. You get all you can eat, as long as you can keep up on the rides, otherwise you must get motivation (do you prefer cattle prod, whip, or stun gun?).

No weekends off. That's when I take the longest rides.

When you say: "I wish more people would truly live out their faith," do you mean Muslims and atheists too?

[TheGreenMonster]

this thread is not for people who want to argue againts or for christianity its for poeple that want to learn about it or grow in it, if you want some "healthy" debate go over to the UFC? thread

thanks guys

[ThisGuyIKnow]

this thread is not for people who want to argue againts or for christianity its for poeple that want to learn about it or grow in it, if you want some "healthy" debate go over to the UFC? thread

thanks guys

So now you're trying to be all exclusive? That's a very Christian thing to do.

[critter]

this thread is not for people who want to argue againts or for christianity its for poeple that want to learn about it or grow in it, if you want some "healthy" debate go over to the UFC? thread

thanks guys

yeah you tell them. (very nicely too)

[johnfoss]

There's actually more to horoscopes than you might think. They are generic and such (although not as much as you probably imagine) but you can glean a great deal of good advice from them.I so don't believe you. If they're working for you, great. But if it's stuff you should do anyway, why divide it up by what day you were born on? Shouldn't the same good advice apply to all?

I thought horoscopes were telling you what was going to happen, not what you should do. Or is that how horoscopes work?Horoscopes don't work. There is no evidence that they do. But generally they are trying to offer suggestions to you for how best to approach the day. My local version also gives your day a numerical score of 0-10 (though they seldom range outside of 4-9).

science meets dear abbyScience? Where? Dear Abbey I get. Specific advice for specific problems (though the names have been changed to protect the guilty). For specific people, though others can generalize the advice for similar situations. Regardless of what day they were born on. :)

But whether owning a person is morally wrong or not, I don't know. They did it back in the days BC, and it was probably just fine back then. In our culture, however, it just doesn't seem right. It must be one of those "grey" areas and not a moral issue.You might start by determining what made people-ownership okay back in the BC days. For today, why not talk to some people who have been slaves, or read books or articles they've written? There are plenty of slaves in the world today, even in the USA.

Tumbles, don't try to communicate with BillyTheMountain like you would with an ordinary person. Sometimes he comes across pretty normal, but other times he's all about trolling for controversy. Read some past threads started by him to start getting an idea...

[critter]

Science? Where?.
astrometry
stars, sky, galaxy, the whole universe

Boy, That makes me wonder how it all got started. Hmmmmm:rolleyes:

[Michaelgoround]

Slave it is. That's the only option. You get all you can eat, as long as you can keep up on the rides, otherwise you must get motivation (do you prefer cattle prod, whip, or stun gun?).

No weekends off. That's when I take the longest rides.

When you say: "I wish more people would truly live out their faith," do you mean Muslims and atheists too?
Whatever you prefer is fine with me, though I must inform you that the two electric ones may cause involuntary muscle spasams. What about vacation time and health care benifits?

I was talking about Christians living out their faith. I have talked to and heard of more then a few people giving up their faith, leaving a church, or not even trying out Christianity because of people not living out their faith.

[BillyTheMountain]

Whatever you prefer is fine with me, though I must inform you that the two electric ones may cause involuntary muscle spasams. What about vacation time and health care benifits?

I was talking about Christians living out their faith. I have talked to and heard of more then a few people giving up their faith, leaving a church, or not even trying out Christianity because of people not living out their faith.

Check out American history. Slaves built this nation, White owners got fat off slaves. No vacation. no negotiation. You're an uppity slave.

Any more lip and it's the stun gun. for you. I'm tired of trying to reason with you. That's why you should be a slave, cuz you need someone to tell you what to do and how to live.

[peleschramm]

For somone talking about not being biased you sure are being very biased.

Biased? I am not biased (well, everyone is to a certain extent, but I try not to be). I can tell you that I am very open to the idea that there is much more out there than we can see, and have reasoned that it would indeed be quite foolish to think that this is the only thing there is. Looking back at a year ago, I think I was significantly more biased than I am right now, because a year ago any idea that made any claims of any form of life outside of what we see nowadays I would dismiss very quickly without much analysis. Nowadays, I am no longer really atheist I guess, but then again I am not any mainstream religion, or any real religion at all. From much thought on the subject, I concluded that it is extremely unlikely that humans have figured out exactly what created us all, and the specifics of what happens before and after life, and everything like that. Although perhaps with rational explanation a spiritual being is a possibility (not exactly spiritual, I think everything has an explanation that can be proven through science and logic), I think it is extremely unlikely that this spiritual being is even remotely similar to the God we have all come to know. The reason I have to believe this is that I have found many things in the bible regarding ethics and morality to be improbable, inaccurate and lacking in logical justification in many cases, and they have led to a lot of wrong. Now of course the reason behind me thinking this way can mean one of two things, either the bible is completely wrong, or those who wrote the bible knew something that I do not, and that something when considered is enough to greatly increase the logical probability of a certain action resulting in a greater general happiness in this world (and perhaps other worlds that may or may not exist). I'm not saying that Christianity and other religions that I have heard of are just flat out wrong, I'm just saying that looking at all of my relevant current knowledge when calculated ends up leaning much more to the falseness of many of the things found in the bible, so when considering only that which is known to me, the probability of the bible being completely right is insanely low. This probability is likely to change as I learn more about life and existence in general, whether it ends up being more in favor of Christianity or otherwise is not known to me.

We must realize that until we know absolutely everything(and i mean EVERYTHING) it is absolutely impossible to be completely sure about anything, it is only possible to apply what we do know as a sample to help estimate the probability as to whether something is right or wrong.

Am I biased? No, I am just against acting absolutely sure about something, which is what bias is. I am also against following things blindly without proper processing and analysis. It is always convenient to assume that the first thing you've heard is true, but really, there is a slightly higher chance that the later you hear something, the more valid it is (since generally more and more is discovered over time).


Congratulations to whoever even read all this. If you have an opinion on what I am saying please share, assuming you are willing to state exactly what led you to that opinion.

[BillyTheMountain]

Congratulations to whoever even read all this. If you have an opinion on what I am saying please share, assuming you are willing to state exactly what led you to that opinion.

Responses to this might be a threadjack.

Are we ever going to discuss the Daily Bible Verse?

[peleschramm]

Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever seen a thread more jacked than this...

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

I so don't believe you. If they're working for you, great. But if it's stuff you should do anyway, why divide it up by what day you were born on? Shouldn't the same good advice apply to all?

It's just a way to get people to act right. It might be a different method.
I've met a lot of Astrologists, and while not one myself, I've found a lot out about Astrology that I didn't know before.

It might not be scientific, but it's fun and causes no harm.

[iAmVincent]

Wow, I can't believe the backlash this guy gets for wanting to post a thread of Bible verses. Just goes to show that people of any faith (or lack thereof) can be real pricks.

[dudewithasock]

Guys, seriously, I'm all for threadjacking and religious debates, but please take it to another thread. I'm not Christian or anything, but there's nothing wrong with a daily bible verse thread, and the OP has asked very politely, several times, that you guys stop polluting the thread with arguing and mockery. Let's show a little more class.

[johnfoss]

astrometry
stars, sky, galaxy, the whole universeOh, yeah. They're looking at the stars and planets, standing on the shoulders of scientists to make up nonsense about how the stars & planets line up? I think astrology was dealt a serious blow when it became accepted that the sun does not revolve around the Earth. Since we're not the center of the universe, how is it that the relative positions of heavenly bodies affects things down here?

Not counting the Moon, which has a demonstrated effect on oceans, not to mention people if you listen to cops and teachers...

[Mikefule]

Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.


Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approve of rape of virgins.

[Phil_on_uni]

If God gives you obstacles, become a trials rider - Phil Sanders

:cool:

[captainconcarne]

If God were just everyone would go to heaven regardless of whether they read and quote all the books people wrote about him in order to keep the uneducated masses in check, or whether they think his supposed son is magical or not.

Um, that's like saying if the government were just, no one would go to jail. That's retarded honestly. If you reject God, he will honor your choice.

[Biggestbtc]

Check out American history. Slaves built this nation, White owners got fat off slaves. No vacation. no negotiation. You're an uppity slave.

Any more lip and it's the stun gun. for you. I'm tired of trying to reason with you. That's why you should be a slave, cuz you need someone to tell you what to do and how to live.

I heard someone say that you trolled the forum for controversy. Now I believe it.

Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.


Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approve of rape of virgins.

It does not say that the men raped them...

You have to understand the context. The Midianites were scared of the Isrealites and tried to get Balaam to curse the Israelites. They were not very successful, so they seduced the Israelites with harlotry and idolatry. But God had forbid his people from marrying those of other nations, even more from having immoral relationships with them.

So the women were the ones who caused the people of Israel to stray from God. ""These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor." So that's why God wanted these women to be killed. God is really serious about sin. But the virgins were obviously innocent in this matter. They were probably much younger than you would think. People back them got married much younger.

Gill's commentary says about the "keep for yourselves" phrase: "either to be handmaids to them, or to be married among them when grown up, and become proselytes, and initiated into their religion."

Cheers!

[Mikefule]

I heard someone say that you trolled the forum for controversy. Now I believe it.



It does not say that the men raped them...

You have to understand the context. The Midianites were scared of the Isrealites and tried to get Balaam to curse the Israelites. They were not very successful, so they seduced the Israelites with harlotry and idolatry. But God had forbid his people from marrying those of other nations, etc. etc.

Oh sorry. So to clarify:
Moses was one fo the Israelites' greatest prophets, and they believed he spoke for God, and he instructed them to rape virgins and kill children, but on this occasion they may not have obeyed his instructions.

And anyway, it was OK because of the context, and they were frightened. And God didn't approve of mixed race marriages.

So now we know (on the above basis) the Southern states of the USA were right in hanging on to segregation for as long as possible, and we can also probably work up a justification for all those lynchings if we try hard enough.

Tell me: if you seduce me, is that your fault or mine? I would say it was mine for giving way to temptation. But God would say I can kill your sons and rape your daughters because I let you seduce me?

[GILD]

But just remember that reading and interpreting a verse out of its context is a dangerous practice.


Fortunately it is now possible to make a career from it.

[Fraggle]

Lol, I'm finding Mikefule's contributions to this thread an interesting angle on the thread idea.

[Jerrick]

Its a fun way to post his grudge. Though lets make sure not to do the same thing his own thread. Otherwise id feel too much like a 10 year old.

[Fraggle]

Each person will see it differently to the next.

The way I see it, he's pointing out that religion isn't as great, as right, or even as "just" as some would have us believe.

Either way, we will not really know untill he tells us, so opinions is what we have for the time being.

[Jerrick]

Each person will see it differently to the next.

The way I see it, he's pointing out that religion isn't as great, as right, or even as "just" as some would have us believe.

Either way, we will not really know untill he tells us, so opinions is what we have for the time being.

Oh we all know that. But its pretty obvious how the OP wanted this to go, and I figured he had things pretty planned out and a general direction. Im not saying what Fule is posting is wrong or bad for the thread, but for me, for a legit thread and subject, I dont like trying to veer away from the original thought.

And as far as ive seen, everyone who find and posts passages like the one Fule is posting, specially going to the old testament, are people with a grudge and dislike to religion. So like you said, they are trying to show off the bad parts of the Bible, but its just funny when it gets posted, as im sure me and many other Christians already know all about those parts better than most people just copying and pasting.

But at least we are still on topic, which is surprising for a thread like this. Maybe tomorrows passage will be more shiny. Im gonna need it as Mondays are always the worst.

[Fraggle]

I think he's within reason to do what he's doing, I mean are people told at school, or at church that murder rape and pillage in the name of god are ok? I can't really see the issue being raised due to the questions that may arise.

I don't see why it's a christian thread, and not a multi religous thread. At least if it were quotes / verses from the various religions books it wouldn't be seen as "another one of those christian threads". I mean, I don't like religion, I see no point in it at all, but making a thread on verses from the christian bible alone is asking for some stick. If someones gonna make a religous thread, at least cover a few religions as not to cause offense to others, and to at least seem open minded, like you respect others and their vews.

[ThisGuyIKnow]

If you reject God, he will honor your choice.

If you don't worship and praise me I'll get you back. Your god is kind of a jerk and certainly doesn't deserve worship. god's behavior seems to be sort of the opposite of what Jesus taught of how man should behave. Quite the hypocrite, a very poor role model and not some one really worth looking up to.

[Fraggle]

Ok Dokie so I'm pretty much making a thread, with a bible verse a day if you don't want a Bible verse everyday just simply dont stop in ^_^ if you do come on down. any ways I thought this would be a good starter since its about receiving forgiveness of sins.

No mention of which specific Bible. How about a verse per day from the Satanic Bible? After all, if there is a god, then there is a devil. If one has a following then it's right to assume that the other does too. I see no point in religion, however if one religion is to be plastered on the forum, why not others?

[TheGreenMonster]

sorry I didnt post one yesterday guys >_> It was vomit vomit vomit all day long.

Isa 40:28-31 Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. 29 He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak. 30 Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall; 31 but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

[MrBoogiejuice]

sorry I didnt post one yesterday guys >_> It was vomit vomit vomit all day long.

Sounds like you need some beer!

Proverbs 31:6 (New International Version)
Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish.

[Mikefule]

A few ad hominem remarks back there.:(

If the thread is to post Bible verses, it is to be presumed that each person who posts one posts one that suits his or her purposes in posting.

Merely posting verses benefits no one - you may as well just read the Bible - hence the useful but sometimes controversial debate about their meanings.

If you want New Testament, you should have said so. Off the top of my head:

Jesus cursing the fig tree simply because he wanted a fig and it was barren. A petulant and unnecessary act. Why did he not cure the fig tree? Actually, I can give a pretty consistent theological explanation, but I've always found it unconvincing "in context".

The Gadarene swine: well done for casting the demons out, but an all powerful son of God didn't need to put them into a herd of pigs (which no doubt represented the livelihood of a farmer) and then drive them over the cliff. Never mind the farmer, the pigs themselves were innocent.

Lazarus: at a time when the world was riven by war, famine and disease, why raise one individual from the dead, instead of doing something about the big problems?

All of The Revelation. And yes, I have read it all. Every word. All I can say in favour of it is that it has provided inspiration for countless heavy metal songs.

My point is not that the Bible is bad, but that there is plenty of bad stuff in there.

How many of the books of the Bible (OT or NT) were written by women?

How many words in the NT were written by Jesus, or even written during his lifetime?

Whether or not you choose to believe in one or more gods, basing your world view on second and third hand translations of bronze age texts is no more rational than me trying to run my life according to the beliefs of the builders of Stonehenge.

A book won't make you wise. Thinking about what a book says, and discarding some of it, accepting other bits, and developing some of the ideas may make you wiser.

There is some wisdom in the Bible, just as there is in the sacred texts of the world's other great religions. Christianity is neither the oldest nor the newest, the largest nor the smallest religion. It has no monopoly on wisdom or indeed on folly.

There is also great wisdom in Homer, Shakespeare, and indeed any other serious writings by intelligent people. The Norse and Saxon myths, and even the works of Tolkien, contain plenty of insight and wisdom, as well as plenty of rubbish. Somewhere there is a book called The Tao of Pooh which outlines the wisdom found in the books about Winnie the Pooh.

If people choose to use this public forum to air their minority religious beliefs, fair enough, but it is unreasonable for them to complain if other people engage with them and in doing so post things they don't like.

No one ever learned anything by winning an argument.

And if anyone wants to be offended, I have seen little more offensive than the "Sieg Heil" one of the contributors has under his avatar.

[mscalisi]

Truly inspiring!

YouTube - Stryper - Always There For You

[BillyTheMountain]

Can Biggestbtc really think antislavery statements = trolling for controversy. :D Or even demonstrating that someone who pretends to endorse slavery would not tolerate enslavement. That = trolling for controversy. Here in the unicyclist community, you'll find no meaningful controversy about slavery.

If the thread is to post Bible verses, it is to be presumed that each person who posts one posts one that suits his or her purposes in posting.

Merely posting verses benefits no one - you may as well just read the Bible - hence the useful but sometimes controversial debate about their meanings.

Mike,

Not sure I understand. First you say "it is to be presumed that each person who posts one posts one that suits his or her purposes in posting." So I'm to presume your quotes suit your purpose, which serves to support your view that there are bad things in the Bible.

If your point is that there is bad stuff in the Bible, really, you could have picked much worse examples. After all, how truly bad is it to curse the fig tree? Casting demons into a herd of innocent pigs and then drive them over the cliff. I mean, c'mon Mike, you may not eat pork, but you might enjoy a hamburger. Is that any worse? You never waste food?

Raising one individual from the dead can hardly be framed as bad. It's not as good as ending world hunger, but bad it is not.

And providing inspiration for countless heavy metal songs, if you really think that's bad, you may be older than your years.

Your point is that there is plenty of bad stuff in the Bible, but there's also bad stuff in Homer, Shakespeare, and indeed any other serious writings by intelligent people. There's one Shakespeare play where they kill the sons and bake them into pies they feed the parents, then tell them about it!! Norse and Saxon myths, and even the works of Tolkien, contain plenty of bad stuff too. Even Winnie the Pooh disturbs the bees and steals their honey. Now that's BAD!

Billy

[uni57]

Your point is that there is plenty of bad stuff in the Bible, but there's also bad stuff in Homer, Shakespeare, and indeed any other serious writings by intelligent people.The Bible is not in the same category. People live their lives (for good or bad) according to the Bible.


Edit: darn, I promised myself I wasn't going to participate in the off-topic debate portion of this thread.

[peleschramm]

A few ad hominem remarks back there.:(

If the thread is to post Bible verses, it is to be presumed that each person who posts one posts one that suits his or her purposes in posting.

Merely posting verses benefits no one - you may as well just read the Bible - hence the useful but sometimes controversial debate about their meanings.

If you want New Testament, you should have said so. Off the top of my head:

Jesus cursing the fig tree simply because he wanted a fig and it was barren. A petulant and unnecessary act. Why did he not cure the fig tree? Actually, I can give a pretty consistent theological explanation, but I've always found it unconvincing "in context".

The Gadarene swine: well done for casting the demons out, but an all powerful son of God didn't need to put them into a herd of pigs (which no doubt represented the livelihood of a farmer) and then drive them over the cliff. Never mind the farmer, the pigs themselves were innocent.

Lazarus: at a time when the world was riven by war, famine and disease, why raise one individual from the dead, instead of doing something about the big problems?

All of The Revelation. And yes, I have read it all. Every word. All I can say in favour of it is that it has provided inspiration for countless heavy metal songs.

My point is not that the Bible is bad, but that there is plenty of bad stuff in there.

How many of the books of the Bible (OT or NT) were written by women?

How many words in the NT were written by Jesus, or even written during his lifetime?

Whether or not you choose to believe in one or more gods, basing your world view on second and third hand translations of bronze age texts is no more rational than me trying to run my life according to the beliefs of the builders of Stonehenge.

A book won't make you wise. Thinking about what a book says, and discarding some of it, accepting other bits, and developing some of the ideas may make you wiser.

There is some wisdom in the Bible, just as there is in the sacred texts of the world's other great religions. Christianity is neither the oldest nor the newest, the largest nor the smallest religion. It has no monopoly on wisdom or indeed on folly.

There is also great wisdom in Homer, Shakespeare, and indeed any other serious writings by intelligent people. The Norse and Saxon myths, and even the works of Tolkien, contain plenty of insight and wisdom, as well as plenty of rubbish. Somewhere there is a book called The Tao of Pooh which outlines the wisdom found in the books about Winnie the Pooh.

If people choose to use this public forum to air their minority religious beliefs, fair enough, but it is unreasonable for them to complain if other people engage with them and in doing so post things they don't like.

No one ever learned anything by winning an argument.

And if anyone wants to be offended, I have seen little more offensive than the "Sieg Heil" one of the contributors has under his avatar.

Agreed. The bible has good and bad things in it, and it just seems wrong to merely look at everything and follow it without thought. It's much better to properly analyze the works you read, and see if you agree or disagree, rather than look at the source and figure from the start "oh this is right", or "oh this is wrong". Asking one to have complete and utter faith in something is like asking for someone to be completely brainless and ignorant. Asking one to look at a work and then see what kind of wisdom he can pull out of it as well as analyze were the author may have been wrong seems like a much more just and rational thing to do.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Sounds like you need some beer!

Where can I buy a copy of this version!?

[uninorcal]

Truly inspiring!

YouTube - Stryper - Always There For You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysCx-rjMIXk&feature=related)

wow, and that folks is why the 80's were such scary times.
speaking of the 80's
YouTube - Europe - The Final Countdown (Live)

[peleschramm]

I think the worst thing I've heard about in the bible is Noah's ark (you can probably tell I haven't heard all that much from it). That's just a terrible story. It suggests that it's Ok to kill almost every last living thing on the planet, as long as you leave just enough to reproduce. Am I the only one that sees the lack of logic in that? God was thinking, "hey, all humans are bad, except Noah and his family. Although I have all the power in the world, and I could simply kill only the ones that are bad (or better yet, throw experiences at them that will teach them to be good), I think it would be much much more simple to destroy almost all existence in general. That seems like a good idea". What do people learn from this story? Only that it's ok to just do the simplest thing and just not give a shit about others, assuming you are in authority. I guess it also teaches you not to be bad if you do not have authority, because if you are bad then those in authority will just destroy you and everyone around you. The bible does have some good ideas, but it just seems to me that utter faith in it is irresponsible.

[BillyTheMountain]

The Bible is not in the same category. People live their lives (for good or bad) according to the Bible.


Edit: darn, I promised myself I wasn't going to participate in the off-topic debate portion of this thread.

I thought people lived their lives according to the Golden Rule, or the Ten Commandments.

The Bible is too big and confusing to live your life by it. What does Noah's arc tell me about how to live?

[Mikefule]

What does Noah's arc tell me about how to live?

Noah's arc? Now that's thrown me a curve ball.

[uni57]

Billy, I am not going to perpetuate the off-topic debating of religion in this Daily Bible Verse thread. I am simply awaiting the next Bible verse or Stryper video.

[TheGreenMonster]

short and sweet today


Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?

[Biggestbtc]

Good verse. This one applies to this thread as we have seen people saying that God is cruel, etc., but if God is for you, you got it going good.

Billy, I am not going to perpetuate the off-topic debating of religion in this Daily Bible Verse thread. I am simply awaiting the next Bible verse or Stryper video.

I guess I'll follow your example, although I almost replied to Fule. But I'll just leave it there.

[mscalisi]

I lieu of a Stryper video, today I want to share a website I discovered.

http://christwire.org/

I was a little confused about this website and researching it led me to the discovery of Poe's Law. http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe's_Law which basically says that parody of fundamentalism is difficult to discern from actual fundamentalism.

Maybe that's what I love about Stryper. At a glance, its a little hard to tell which they are.

[BillyTheMountain]

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?

Satan? Dave?

[harper]

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us?

For our case, as unicyclists, gravity always seems to be against us.

[phlegm]

Maybe that's what I love about Stryper. At a glance, its a little hard to tell which they are.

The Truth about Stryper. (http://www.av1611.org/crock.html#Stryper%20Effeminate)

:confused:

:D

[johnfoss]

For our case, as unicyclists, gravity always seems to be against us.Ah, but gravity is the force that makes unicycling possible. Imagine trying to ride without it!

Someday that will be a lot more accessible, at which time Earth-based sports will become obsolete (at least for gravity-free areas). New sports will have to be developed, or adopted to the new environment.

...if God is for you, you got it going good.That's always the question though. How does one know if God is for them?

[phlegm]

"God is for us" because we can share in the intense love depicted by the stories of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ.

[Biggestbtc]

That's always the question though. How does one know if God is for them?

If God has predestined you, if he has called you, if he has justified you and glorified you, he is on your side.
If you have repented sincerely of the wrongs you have committed against Him and are living how He would have you to live, then you would know that God is for you.

Or if you don't like my answer, can ask it at Yahoo! Answers (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090218162051AACEb6z).


There are three things that you need to remember when interpreting a passage:

1. Context
2. Context
3. Context

Read the whole of Romans 8 and you will get a better idea of what vs. 31 is talking about.

[TheGreenMonster]

Psalm 37:1-6

1 Do not fret because of evil men
or be envious of those who do wrong; 2 for like the grass they will soon wither, like green plants they will soon die away.3 Trust in the LORD and do good; dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture. 4 Delight yourself in the LORD
and he will give you the desires of your heart. 5 Commit your way to the LORD;
trust in him and he will do this: 6 He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn,
the justice of your cause like the noonday sun.

[mscalisi]

What if God disappeared?

YouTube - What If God Disappeared?

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

hmmmm... no offence, but these all kinda sound the same.

Could we get some varriety? :)

[mscalisi]

I'm going to have to call Poe's law on that link.

The Truth about Stryper. (http://www.av1611.org/crock.html#Stryper%20Effeminate)

:confused:

:D

[Jerrick]

Psalm 37:1-6

1 Do not fret because of evil men
or be envious of those who do wrong; 2 for like the grass they will soon wither, like green plants they will soon die away.3 Trust in the LORD and do good; dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture. 4 Delight yourself in the LORD
and he will give you the desires of your heart. 5 Commit your way to the LORD;
trust in him and he will do this: 6 He will make your righteousness shine like the dawn,
the justice of your cause like the noonday sun.

This one is great for me today. Touches on a lot that has been going on the last few days.

[Zzagg]

What if God disappeared?

YouTube - What If God Disappeared? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4)
In order to disappear, things have to appear at least once...
...Never heard about god's appearence, and CNN would have covered the event if it had happened nowadays.
So either God has already appeared and then disapeared, or he didn't appear at all.
=>
In the eventuality of god's disappearence, nothing would change.

Unless there are some english typing standards I don't know of, I'm surprised Miss H didn't pop up here to correct green monster: God with a single capital G is enough, typing "GOD" doesn't make it three times more real or greater or mightier...

no Bible verse here => threadjack => I'm leaving

[tumbles]

Ok I can't resist - pulp fiction time

Ezekiel 25:17

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Best scene in the movie is the last time this was said in the cafe - god this is a great movie

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

That one was pretty good until God got all violent and mean. :(

[critter]

That one was pretty good until God got all violent and mean. :(
That's just some sh@$ Samuel sez before he caps someone's a**.

How do you say quarter pounder w/cheese?

[TheGreenMonster]

36Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, so he went to the Pharisee's house and reclined at the table. 37When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee's house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfume, 38and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them. 39When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner." 40Jesus answered him, "Simon, I have something to tell you." "Tell me, teacher," he said.
41"Two men owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[d] and the other fifty. 42Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he canceled the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?" 43Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled." "You have judged correctly," Jesus said. 44Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little." 48Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven." 49The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?" 50Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."

[johnfoss]

How do you say quarter pounder w/cheese?Le Royale. And what do they put on french fries in Holland?

[mscalisi]

YouTube - Stryper-Honestly

The trick to a good Christian rock ballad is to make it sound like a love song to reel in the non Jesus freaks.

[Biggestbtc]

Dude, you post really long "verses." Good stuff, but not what I was expecting.

[Zzagg]

The trick to a good Christian rock ballad is to make it sound like a love song to reel in the non Jesus freaks.Rachel:They switched from Christian music to regular pop. All you do is switch "Jesus" to "baby".
Ned:"Aw, how horrible."
:D;)

@Johnfoss: mayonese of course! unhealthy but yumi!!

[BillyTheMountain]

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you."
Luke 6:27-28

Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16

[GILD]

38 and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping

Huh?

Please tell me that's a typo?
I'm getting a headache just trying to imagine that.

[UniBrier]

27 Do not withhold good from those who deserve it,
when it is in your power to act.

28 Do not say to your neighbor,
"Come back later; I'll give it tomorrow"—
when you now have it with you.

29 Do not plot harm against your neighbor,
who lives trustfully near you.

30 Do not accuse a man for no reason—
when he has done you no harm.

31 Do not envy a violent man
or choose any of his ways,

[uni57]

Huh?

Please tell me that's a typo?
I'm getting a headache just trying to imagine that.LOL. I had trouble with that one, too. Not sure if we were thinking the same thing...

How could she wet his feet with her tears from behind him? Unless at that moment Jesus had his feet on backwards (hey, he could probably do it).

[UniBrier]

LOL. I had trouble with that one, too. Not sure if we were thinking the same thing...

How could she wet his feet with her tears from behind him? Unless at that moment Jesus had his feet on backwards (hey, he could probably do it).

Remember, the custom at that time was to recline or lay on your side around the common table. They didn't sit upright in dinner chairs. Both passages clearly say "reclined". No backwards feet miracle here, move on folks:

Mark 14
Jesus Anointed at Bethany

1Now the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were only two days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some sly way to arrest Jesus and kill him. 2"But not during the Feast," they said, "or the people may riot."

3While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.

Luke 7

Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman
36Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, so he went to the Pharisee's house and reclined at the table. 37When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee's house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfume, 38and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

[johnfoss]

I'm wondering about the context of having "lived a sinful life". Are we not all guilty of sin? Was her sinful life somehow worse than everyone else's?

If she had sex for money, is she worse than a leader who sends men to die in battle to increase his stature? Or someone who knowingly sells you a mortgage you can't afford?

[Biggestbtc]

People look at sins differently, especially the self-righteous Pharisees of Jesus' day. But that doesn't make them necessarily worse.

A lot of sins are equally bad.

[BillyTheMountain]

I'm wondering about the context of having "lived a sinful life". Are we not all guilty of sin? Was her sinful life somehow worse than everyone else's?

If she had sex for money, is she worse than a leader who sends men to die in battle to increase his stature? Or someone who knowingly sells you a mortgage you can't afford?

w00t!

I love these pot shots at the Iraq invasion and George W. Bush, the so-called christian!

[johnfoss]

I love these pot shots at the Iraq invasion and George W. Bush, the so-called christian!I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Did the Iraq war somehow turn out to be a good thing for George W. Bush? That one was actually intended to be the more generic of the two; being perhaps more applicable to the types of warfare back in biblical days.

[BillyTheMountain]

I'm sorry, I must have missed something. Did the Iraq war somehow turn out to be a good thing for George W. Bush? That one was actually intended to be the more generic of the two; being perhaps more applicable to the types of warfare back in biblical days.
w00t!

I love these pot shots at those who waged wars in biblical times!

Exodus 15:3 - The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

Ecclesiastes 3:8 - A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Isaiah 42:13 - The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Revelation 12:7 - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels.

Judges 6:14 - And the Lord looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?

Deuteronomy 20:1 - When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the Lord thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

Isaiah 19:2 - And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbor; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.

[TheGreenMonster]

Galatians 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

[TheGreenMonster]

Oh by the way this isn't talking about pleasing others in the way of helping them, Cause we should serve. This is talking about peer pressure and such.

[brittanytaylor]

Who needs a bible verse?

[Jerrick]

Who needs a bible verse?

Me.

[mscalisi]

(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

[UniBrier]

w00t!

I love these pot shots at those who waged wars in biblical times!And don't forget that great NT war cry:

John 15:13 (New International Version)
13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

[Jeremy R]

Genesis: 1:1"And the lord said let DNA molecules be governed by evoloution!"

[BillyTheMountain]

(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

nowhere in the story does it say her mother and father died, so why should she mourn them? Is it because you can take the comely wife without the in-laws that would normally come with her?

And what if her long flowing hair was a big part of what made her comely? She shaves her head, you don't like her anymore, and what? you just turn out a bald headed woman with short fingernails to fend for herself? Or, since you haven't had relations with her yet, she was never married to you under compulsion, so you can sell or enslave her.

I love it! It's so Christian to treat woman this way!

That's why women stay away from these discussions.

[UniBrier]

Proverbs 6 (New International Version)

Warnings Against Folly

1 My son, if you have put up security for your neighbor,
if you have struck hands in pledge for another,
2 if you have been trapped by what you said,
ensnared by the words of your mouth,

3 then do this, my son, to free yourself,
since you have fallen into your neighbor's hands:
Go and humble yourself;
press your plea with your neighbor!

4 Allow no sleep to your eyes,
no slumber to your eyelids.

5 Free yourself, like a gazelle from the hand of the hunter,
like a bird from the snare of the fowler.

6 Go to the ant, you sluggard;
consider its ways and be wise!

7 It has no commander,
no overseer or ruler,

8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
and gathers its food at harvest.

9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard?
When will you get up from your sleep?

10 A little sleep, a little slumber,
a little folding of the hands to rest-

11 and poverty will come on you like a bandit
and scarcity like an armed man. [a]

12 A scoundrel and villain,
who goes about with a corrupt mouth,

13 who winks with his eye,
signals with his feet
and motions with his fingers,

14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart—
he always stirs up dissension.

15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant;
he will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.

16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:

17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,

18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,

19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.


Footnotes:
Proverbs 6:11 Or like a vagrant / and scarcity like a beggar

[BillyTheMountain]

Proverbs 6 (New International Version)

Warnings Against Folly
16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:

17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood

You, my good man, have had the misfortune to have been born with haughty eyes!

I hear the Lord complaining about how much he detests your eyes.

"If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out" or UniBrier won't get into Heaven.

[UniBrier]

You, my good man, have had the misfortune to have been born with haughty eyes!

I hear the Lord complaining about how much he detests your eyes.

"If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out" or UniBrier won't get into Heaven.Billy, my good man, the Lord is one step ahead of you. But first, enough of this King's English, the version I read says:

Mark 9:47 (New International Version)
47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,

I've been dealing with Central Serous Retinopathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_serous_retinopathy) for the past several months so the good Lord has seen to it my right eye isn't quite up to par. And that is Plucking Annoying!

[BillyTheMountain]

Billy, my good man, the Lord is one step ahead of you. But first, enough of this King's English, the version I read says:

Mark 9:47 (New International Version)
47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,

I've been dealing with Central Serous Retinopathy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_serous_retinopathy) for the past several months so the good Lord has seen to it my right eye isn't quite up to par. And that is Plucking Annoying!

I'm truly sorry to hear about the retinopathy, and you will be in my thoughts and prayers this morning.

Regarding Mark 9:47 (New International Version), though, it's mighty difficult to decide WHICH eye causes you to sin, and highly unlikely that it's only one eye.

[UniBrier]

it's mighty difficult to decide WHICH eye causes you to sin, and highly unlikely that it's only one eye.Thanks for your prayers; the doctors say it should resolve but it is taking much longer than usual.

You are so correct on the difficulty of determining which eye is the one to pluck. Proverbs 7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=7&version=31) seems to provide some direction: one must determine which eye has the apple and definitely guard that one.

Proverbs 7 (NIV)

Warning Against the Adulteress
1 My son, keep my words
and store up my commands within you.
2 Keep my commands and you will live;
guard my teachings as the apple of your eye.

3 Bind them on your fingers;
write them on the tablet of your heart.

4 Say to wisdom, "You are my sister,"
and call understanding your kinsman;

5 they will keep you from the adulteress,
from the wayward wife with her seductive words...

[BillyTheMountain]

I think the basic problem was their elementary and incorrect ideas of the neuropsychology of behavior.

They assume there's more to the eye than there is.

It is the brain that does the wrong, the eye is passive and not responsible.

[UniBrier]

I think the basic problem was their elementary and incorrect ideas of the neuropsychology of behavior...

It is the brain that does the wrong...After an extensive one minute keyword search, I find the brain (http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=brain&searchtype=all&version1=31&bookset=2) has nothing to do with it. It is all in the heart (http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=heart&version1=31&searchtype=all&bookset=2&limit=bookset).

[BillyTheMountain]

After an extensive one minute keyword search, I find the brain (http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=brain&searchtype=all&version1=31&bookset=2) has nothing to do with it. It is all in the heart (http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=heart&version1=31&searchtype=all&bookset=2&limit=bookset).

Another anatomical misconception we have since straightened out.

Next year, Valentines will be brain shaped instead of heart shaped.

[BillyTheMountain]

Recall Matthew 10:16 - the King James Version, which some believe is what Jesus would have said, if English had been invented at the time, is:


"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."


As Brian said, "Blessed are the cheesemakers" - which should be understood to include all those involved in the production and distribution of dairy products.

[UniBrier]

As Brian said, "Blessed are the cheesemakers" - which should be understood to include all those involved in the production and distribution of dairy products.Let's not forget to include my wife's Alma Mater: The Tillamook Cheesemaker (http://www.tillamook.k12.or.us/ths/) high school sports! They're Sharp!

[BillyTheMountain]

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."


Biblical scholars as far back as ancient times interpret this to mean: Don't deprive Gay and Lesbian couples of civil rights given to heterosexual couples.

It's in the Bible!!

[Biggestbtc]

Biblical scholars as far back as ancient times interpret this to mean: Don't deprive Gay and Lesbian couples of civil rights given to heterosexual couples.

It's in the Bible!!
:roleyes:

Bible verse for today:

"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain." Exodus 20:7 ESV

[BillyTheMountain]

:roleyes:

Bible verse for today:

"You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain." Exodus 20:7 ESV

Definition: vainly: to no avail; "he looked for her in vain"; "the city fathers tried vainly to find a solution"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Without success; ending in failure; In a disrespectful manner, especially when concerning religion
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_vain

My question: It seems you cannot really know until after the fact that you have taken the LORD's name without success.

Of course, there is that other meaning "In a disrespectful manner, especially when concerning religion"

Which means those so-called christians who act so unlike Jesus, and try to legislate away the civil rights of gay and lesbian people, are using the LORD's name in vain.

[MrBoogiejuice]

Of course, there is that other meaning "In a disrespectful manner, especially when concerning religion"

Which means those so-called christians who act so unlike Jesus, and try to legislate away the civil rights of gay and lesbian people, are using the LORD's name in vain.

Billy for Pope!

[Biggestbtc]

Which means those so-called christians who act so unlike Jesus, and try to legislate away the civil rights of gay and lesbian people, are using the LORD's name in vain.

Hmmm...that's an interesting angle on the 3rd commandment. That sentence is vague, so I am not going to say if I disagree with you or not.:)

[BillyTheMountain]

Hmmm...that's an interesting angle on the 3rd commandment. That sentence is vague, so I am not going to say if I disagree with you or not.:)

Maybe you mean the 3rd commandment is vague in meaning ....

[Biggestbtc]

No, the-so-called christians who act so unlike Jesus, and try to legislate away the civil rights of gay and lesbian people
-part could have a variety of interpretations. Maybe not.

[BillyTheMountain]

what about the term "vain"? what does THAT mean?

[yoopers]

"If from dust we come and dust we shall return, then there is someone either coming or going under my bed."
2 Hesitations 2:3

[Michaelgoround]

"If from dust we come and dust we shall return, then there is someone either coming or going under my bed."
2 Hesitations 2:3
Have you ever had any "Christians" actually think that your fake Bible verses were real?

[yoopers]

Have you ever had any "Christians" actually think that your fake Bible verses were real?

No, not in the context in which I quote them...or...no, not for common sense folk.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

I thought it was funny.

[yoopers]

I thought it was funny.

Was supposed to be. You know me. :)

[unicycledood]

Yeah. I want to ask why you people keep doing stuff like this? Why don't you start roller skating and start these threads in a roller skating forum?

Dude.... I laughed.... so dam hard. :p

[MrBoogiejuice]

1 Samuel 18:25-27 (King James Version)

25 And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.

26 And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law: and the days were not expired.

27 Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.

Saul was like the Cruella De Ville of his day.

[Into the blue]

Saul was like the Cruella De Ville of his day.

A one-size-fits-all coat?

Just a little rub needed?

[BillyTheMountain]

27 Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king.

Wait a minute. What did the king want all those foreskins for?

Did David perform a bris on all those men, making them Jewish?

[MrBoogiejuice]

Wait a minute. What did the king want all those foreskins for?

That was the first of many questions to enter my head after reading that passage.

As I understand it Saul's intention was to get David killed by sending him off on this, er, I'll settle with zany. Yep, zany quest with the promise of his daughters hand as a reward.

Now there's a certain beautiful logic here on Saul's part. Going round with a posse of cigar cutter wielding home boys and performing amateur surgery on folks in the next kingdom is a pretty fine way of getting yourself killed I'd have thought.

So, Saul's got a plan to bump off his prospective son in law. Bit of a weird plan, but one that seems pretty foolproof.

It continues "And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law: And the days were not expired.

So David doesn't question the request?

Does he not find it just a tad freaky that the potential grandfather of his children is sending him off to gather up bits of other blokes bits in order to prove his worth as a son in law.

Nope! Being the dutiful suitor he is he gathers his mates and goes a-huntin'.

"Eh up lads, you busy tomorrow? Got a job on... a hundred foreskins, yeah mate, I know... But his daughter IS fit."

So David and his mates go off, start slaughtering and emasculating the nearest hundred Phillistines.

"'ere Dave, y'know what? This is a proper larrf. How many did he say he wanted, a hundred? Big Yahweh isn't on 'til nine I reckon we could easy get a couple of ton by then."

So he proves his worthiness as a son by being super-efficient (and avoids getting a kicking from an angry Phillistine) And goes and presents them to Dad (in full tale, no less).

Now it doesn't seem that logical that Saul would suddenly change his mind on the whole killing David 'thing' but on further reflection - if I was in his spot and had found out how nifty David was with his Swiss army knife (I'd always wondered what that attachment's for) I probably wouldn't try and change the terms of the deal.

I'm trying hard to work out the moral of the story. The Bible is the final word on morality and the literal word of God after all so surely there must be a moral lesson to be learnt from this tale of romance and genital mutilation.

Mustn't there?

Answers on a postcard please.

Did David perform a bris on all those men, making them Jewish?

Scholars are left to speculate.

[Biggestbtc]

Wait a minute. What did the king want all those foreskins for?

Did David perform a bris on all those men, making them Jewish?
Dowry.

EDIT: Yes, Saul didn't really like David. This was a sure-fire way to make David a stench in the nostrils of the Philistines, if not to be killed.

[MrBoogiejuice]

Dowry.



Case closed.

[GILD]

That was easy, can we get back to the Council of Nicea now please?

[Borges]

That was easy, can we get back to the Council of Nicea now please?

They condemned self-castration, so be careful with your nail guns. (http://unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77862).

[GILD]

That was the first of many questions to enter my head after reading that passage.

...SNIP...(unavoidable, sorry)

Mustn't there?

Answers on a postcard please.


Kit, I forgot to mention that that post is an incredibly well written, extremely funny piece of work.
The humour is sparse and well positioned, well-timed and well delivered.

I really enjoyed reading it and think you should seriously explore opportunities in comedic writing.

[mscalisi]

http://russellsteapot.com/images/comics/2007/Image043.jpg

[BillyTheMountain]

Genesis 19, “Behold, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please.”

[MrBoogiejuice]

Dt.25:11-12 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."

[BillyTheMountain]

Dt.25:11-12 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her."

that's why we shouldn't bring our wives to MUni gatherings, cuz we're all striving together, and inevitable one of us might smiteth another, and you can see where that leads.

[BillyTheMountain]

Genesis 19, “Behold, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please.”

and why we especially don't bring our daughters who have not known man to MUni gatherings!

[MrBoogiejuice]

Groovy movie made by a fine fella.

Says all wot needs to be said.

Absentia (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EF8D288A0993A92A&search_query=absentia)

[ntappin]

Missing link was found, you can stop reciting your bible verses.

[BillyTheMountain]

Missing link was found, you can stop reciting your bible verses.

That's right. We're basically animals, so why study ethics and pretend we're more.