Vote No on Proposition 8, or donate to help defeat it

[BillyTheMountain]

No on Prop 8
Apple is publicly opposing Proposition 8 and making a donation of $100,000 to the No on 8 campaign. Apple was among the first California companies to offer equal rights and benefits to our employees’ same-sex partners, and we strongly believe that a person’s fundamental rights — including the right to marry — should not be affected by their sexual orientation. Apple views this as a civil rights issue, rather than just a political issue, and is therefore speaking out publicly against Proposition 8.

[johnfoss]

It's a little late in the game for this, but since I think they are being vastly outspent by the Yes side, I'm all for it. Lots of money from Utah (LDS church or members) is coming here to support the Yes side. What we don't need is a constitutional amendment that enforces discrimination. Link (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_8_(2008))

[BillyTheMountain]

It's a little late in the game for this, but since I think they are being vastly outspent by the Yes side, I'm all for it. Lots of money from Utah (LDS church or members) is coming here to support the Yes side. What we don't need is a constitutional amendment that enforces discrimination. Link (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_8_(2008))

Does LDS (Mormon) have a long anti-civil rights history?

Why would anyone support inequality, except selfishness?

[mscalisi]

BTM. Often I disagree with you, but sometimes I wholeheartedly agree.

The fact that we can even vote to limit people's rights is downright unamerican. What happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

One of the things that really gets me about this, is that the anti-gay movement makes outlandish claims about gay marriage hurting children and damaging traditional marriage. The fact is, it has absolutely zero affect on these things. There is not a single fact to be found anywhere to support their claims.

The truth is, people oppose it because their church opposes it. Of course, they can't use this as a legal argument since we are a nation which claims to support freedom of religion (which implicitly includes freedom FROM religion).

Instead, people make up lies to support their blatant bigotry.

Does LDS (Mormon) have a long anti-civil rights history?

Why would anyone support inequality, except selfishness?

[Axi]

"Proposition 8"?

[JJuggle]

"Proposition 8"?
It's like Preparation H, but provides no relief.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

My contribution to this thread:

Lulz, Mormunz.
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Thank you.

[BillyTheMountain]

No on Prop 8
Apple is publicly opposing Proposition 8 and making a donation of $100,000 to the No on 8 campaign. Apple was among the first California companies to offer equal rights and benefits to our employees’ same-sex partners, and we strongly believe that a person’s fundamental rights — including the right to marry — should not be affected by their sexual orientation. Apple views this as a civil rights issue, rather than just a political issue, and is therefore speaking out publicly against Proposition 8.


"Proposition 8"?

Those who vote 'yes' on Prop 8 oppose gay marriage in California, USA.

[mscalisi]

It goes far beyond that. People who vote 'yes' on 8 want to modify the CA constitution to specifically exclude same sex marriage.

Those who vote 'yes' on Prop 8 oppose gay marriage in California, USA.

[Bondo]

If they don't want gays and lesbians to propose why call it a proposition...seems a little oxy-moronic.

This is so iGay.

:)

[Gilby]

The fact that we can even vote to limit people's rights is downright unamerican. What happened to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
Welcome to democracy. Yes, democracy is unamerican. Democratic representation in a constitutional republic is American.

Does Proposition 8 nullify or override Article 1, section 1, and Article 1, section 9 of California's Constitution?

If this passes, I hope it's challenged in court on the basis that we are not a democracy, but a country that follows the rule of law, instead of the rule of men.

The purpose of government is to enforce contracts, which is what marriage is in a legal sense. Why do people think a license is needed to get married? Should government not simply be a place where the contract is filed and documented so it can be enforced if a dispute arises?

[florida]

Marriage is the sole jurisdiction of GOD. Reason why most people marry in a CHURCH. Civil law is secondary to GOD's Law. I will pray Lord for they do not know what they do.

[Axi]

It goes far beyond that. People who vote 'yes' on 8 want to modify the CA constitution to specifically exclude same sex marriage.

You guys in the US speak very much about liberty & freedom, but this really makes sure that all of that speaking is bullshit.

Even in democraties there is never polls about basic human rights.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Marriage is the sole jurisdiction of GOD. Reason why most people marry in a CHURCH. Civil law is secondary to GOD's Law. I will pray Lord for they do not know what they do.

My second contribution to this thread:
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Thank you.

[hobo_chuck]

srsly stfu
+1

[BillyTheMountain]

Do Mormons believe their fingers will burn if they use an Apple Computer?

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Computers themselves are ghey. Mormons should be afraid to use any compie at all.
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[Gilby]

But, I love computers.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Maybe you should move to Hell...

[BillyTheMountain]

Do Mormons believe their fingers will burn if they use an Apple Computer?

It was Apple that started this thread--on their website they say they are trying to defeat it, because Apple is the computer of choice among the GLBTQ crowd.

[ThisGuyIKnow]

No has a great new TV commercial:
YouTube - And She's the California Constitution

[disgruntleddave]

Here's to hoping prop 8 is defeated.

I'm never optimistic of these things though. A complete reform is needed in terms of marriage and definitions and such.

The bible thumpers who yell that marriage is connected with god and religion, thus gays should not have the right to marriage, are irritating, but correct in some ways.

Marriage is an institution which has religious meaning, unfortunately. It's pretty ridiculous that a religious institution has legal implications, as it does. Marriage, as it pertains to both religious and legal matters, is a perfect example of why separation of church and state isn't actually implemented in many matters.

The ultimate way to rectify this is to make 'marriage' purely a religious institution. It has no legal influence. A 'legal marriage' should be a civil union, which gives the partners every right that we currently give to married couples nowadays. Everyone has the right to a civil union.

Thus, if you want to get 'married', unless you want it to mean nothing legally, you also get a civil union. The union gives you the rights.

Now since marriage (religious) is disconnected from the law, constitution, everything, it is up to the religions to decide if they want to marry a same sex couple. The churches can decide what they want. If a pastor wants to marry a same sex couple, then he can do it.

There should be no ties between the law and religion, which is why the issue of same sex marriage is such a sensitive topic.

[johnfoss]

Marriage is the sole jurisdiction of GOD.Maybe in Florida, but in California you need a marriage license for a legal marriage. Anyway, this is about the legal aspects of being married, and has nothing to do with whether your church recognizes all forms of marriage or not. So I'm not sure you understand the issue here. If you do, we wouldn't mind hearing a more relevant response. Otherwise, you know you have nothing to worry about if people get legal marriages that don't mean anything to your church or set of religious beliefs.

The issue here is equal protection/opportunity under the law. Don't like same-sex marriage? Don't have one. If someone else does, it doesn't affect you. If someone you care about invites you to one, that's a choice you'll have to make.

The "Yes" side on Prop 8 is well-funded and well-volunteered. In the last few days I've seen more and more people on the street corners holding up "Yes on 8" signs. Sometimes there are people on the opposite corner with No signs, but they're well outnumbered. Yesterday there were maybe 30 people at one intersection alone. Hell of a Halloween costume!

I fear the proposition is going to pass, and California's constitution will be ammended in a way that enforces discrimination. Meanwhile, the rest of the country will slowly move to equal marriage rights for all, while California will lag way behind because it's much easier to put stuff in a constitution, generally, than to get them out.