Happy 9/11! [Archive] - Unicyclist Community

maestro8

2008-09-11, 06:31 PM

hhhmm......... i think this is going to get a bit of flack....
You make an interesting point.

We've laughed at Darwin award winners. We've laughed when groups of religious zealots have trampled each other to death for no apparent reason.

But we can't, however, laugh at tragedies such as 9/11 or the Holocaust.

So...

...what's the break-even point where humor meets tastelessness? A dozen? Several dozen?

Perhaps I should start a poll...

JJuggle

2008-09-11, 06:39 PM

Pigs on Unicycles

2008-09-11, 07:52 PM

As one who lost family on 9/11, I would be happier not to have seen this. My mother, in fact, watched that very scene from her apartment building on lower Manhattan. Her brother perished when that tower fell.

However, I can empathize with the impulse to share and so won't judge.My thoughts and prayers are with you. I found it very uncourtius of those who laugh at 9/11=Haha, many people died for no good reason on that day and I wish I could shoot any one who does not respect them. I am very greatful that I live in a country that is free and I say up yours if you laugh at people who died for no good reason. Once again, my prayers are with you JJuggle.

Pigs

Fraggle

2008-09-11, 08:12 PM

My thoughts and prayers are with you. I found it very uncourtius of those who laugh at 9/11=Haha, many people died for no good reason on that day and I wish I could shoot any one who does not respect them. I am very greatful that I live in a country that is free and I say up yours if you laugh at people who died for no good reason. Once again, my prayers are with you JJuggle.

Pigs

One signifigant event happens to the USA, and there seems to be sympathy welcomed with open arms. Great Britain had troubles with the IRA for years bombing here there and everywhere, and weren't the USA funding the IRA or something along those lines? I respect the fact that people died, but in my opinion, it was well overdue that something on similar lines to the IRA troubles we had should happen to the USA.

Thats my opinion anyhow.

catinabag1

2008-09-11, 08:20 PM

as a firefighter i find this video very uncool. i will always remember the 343 firefighters and the other countless people who died that day.

videotoast

2008-09-11, 08:23 PM

One signifigant event happens to the USA, and there seems to be sympathy welcomed with open arms. Great Britain had troubles with the IRA for years bombing here there and everywhere, and weren't the USA funding the IRA or something along those lines? I respect the fact that people died, but in my opinion, it was well overdue that something on similar lines to the IRA troubles we had should happen to the USA.

Thats my opinion anyhow.

The troubles with the IRA are no way related to the radical islamic murderers who commited the horrific events of 7 years ago. To somehow link the two you offend the memory of those who died in the UK as a result of terror, as well as those of us in the US and around the world who suffered personally as a result of the terrorist attacks here.

Isn't it wonderful to be free to have opinions (no matter how off kilter they are?)

Fraggle

2008-09-11, 08:44 PM

The troubles with the IRA are no way related to the radical islamic murderers who commited the horrific events of 7 years ago. To somehow link the two you offend the memory of those who died in the UK as a result of terror, as well as those of us in the US and around the world who suffered personally as a result of the terrorist attacks here.

Isn't it wonderful to be free to have opinions (no matter how off kilter they are?)

So the IRA were not terrorists? Of course they are related, not comitted by the same terrorist organisation, but still acts of terrorists none the less. So what, the terrorists used different tools to do their work, but in both cases people died in acts of terrorism. Terrorism being the key factor of them being related.

So what they were for different reasons, at the end of the day they are both things that shouldn't have happened.

Jerrick

2008-09-11, 09:17 PM

mscalisi

2008-09-11, 09:31 PM

I don't think 9/11 will ever be funny in my lifetime, nor will it ever be for anyone who is old enough to remember where they were when the attacks happened.

mynutsache

2008-09-11, 09:57 PM

you are a f***ing discrace to the united states of america .shame on you for being a comepletely rude and inconsiderate bastard i feel sorry for your piggheadedness you dick head . remembe r those who lost their fammily members and where lost.

dudewithasock

2008-09-11, 10:45 PM

Gotta laugh at everything sometime in your life. When I die, I hope all my friends, and family will be able to think back about me and be able to smile, even about my death. I think, if I can still bring laughter to people after and through my death, that that is a good thing.

Yes, your friends and family. Not millions of people you don't know.

I can have a pretty sick sense of humor sometimes, but I found both videos in bad taste. To each his own.

JJuggle

2008-09-11, 10:56 PM

If I might add something it would be not to become angry and bitter in the name of those who died. In as much as I know anyone who I only know virtually, I am comfortable in knowing that ThisGuyIKnow had a point beyond mere provocativeness. I may not be in a place that allows me to recognize it, however.

My mother is, by the way, as I type, boarding a plane to Portland, Oregon. She'll be attending the wedding of friends of hers who lost a brother and brother-in-law. She and I had always spent today together. I was surprised she decided to fly today, but am glad she is comfortable doing so.

videotoast

2008-09-11, 11:06 PM

So the IRA were not terrorists? Of course they are related, not comitted by the same terrorist organisation, but still acts of terrorists none the less. So what, the terrorists used different tools to do their work, but in both cases people died in acts of terrorism. Terrorism being the key factor of them being related.

So what they were for different reasons, at the end of the day they are both things that shouldn't have happened.

Please re-read my post.....I did say that citizens of the UK were killed as a result of terror. You dishonor their memory, in my opinion, by trying to tie the abhorrent acts of the IRA to the medieval thuggery committed by religious zealots who acted out of their faith.

Trying to tie the two events together is ridiculous....and, again, not belittling the sacrifices or terror imposed by the IRA....it was horrific, and I think you may be a bit young to REALLY remember it, as well. I do recall many of the horrific bombings the IRA undertook, and their disregard for innocent life was un merciful and un civilized.

I think we agree in principal....but do you understand that they are not related, in any way?

skrobo

2008-09-11, 11:14 PM

thats screwed up, i won't say anymore, for the good of everyone.

johnfoss

2008-09-11, 11:42 PM

I don't think the video is intended to be funny. It's intended to be painfully ironic. If you never saw the Benny Hill show you are also missing some of the reference in there. I don't think the purpose is to say "ha-ha." It's something more complicated.

Still, I wouldn't show it to someone who lost family or friends that day...

For Fraggle:
Yes the IRA committed many atrocities, and I'm sure they are well-remembered and were despicable acts. 9/11 is more recent, and had a much bigger death toll and physical size than any other terrorist event I can think of. Plus it's more unprecedented over here because we have so few terrorist attacks here. The 1993 WTC bombing was still a pretty huge event. People remember it, but not the same way.

For mynutsache:
Take a deep breath, wait 30 seconds, then proof your responses before hitting Submit. Your message will be much stronger that way. Also, who was your response directed to? This guy for posting, the creator of the video(s), or someone else in this thread?

Michaelgoround

2008-09-11, 11:55 PM

As you can see not a good idea man. Think before you post.

peleschramm

2008-09-11, 11:55 PM

People take things too seriously...

I think everything should be laughed at or made fun of once in awhile. It's not necessarily disrespect.

mscalisi

2008-09-12, 12:06 AM

Humor is a wonderful thing, and can make a heavy situation more tolorable. Where to draw the line is a deeply personal issue, and it all depends on perspective and intent.

It's hard to know the intent of this video, but to publicly post it today of all days crosses that line for many people.

It's interesting to have the perspective on something like this from someone who has recently suffered a major loss. The past few days, my thoughts have been with you and your family. Today, my thoughts are also with the families affected by 9/11.

Perhaps viewing 9/11 in a humorous light is helpful for some people. Personally I didn't find it to be a tasteful way to honor those who deserve to be honored today.

People take things too seriously...

I think everything should be laughed at or made fun of once in awhile. It's not necessarily disrespect.

skrobo

2008-09-12, 12:10 AM

I think everything should be laughed at or made fun of once in awhile. It's not necessarily disrespect.
...
i disagree.

peleschramm

2008-09-12, 12:15 AM

...
i disagree.
Skrobo, there are very few things which we do agree on ;)

Goats_On_Unicycles

2008-09-12, 03:04 AM

I love you Pele

peleschramm

2008-09-12, 03:07 AM

I love you Pele
Haha love you too Jackie.

unicycledood

2008-09-12, 03:18 AM

Lol yeah i laughed....

john_childs

2008-09-12, 04:10 AM

WA 9/11 survivor fears nation will forget (http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_091108WAB_911_survivor_KS.67e9ba27.html)

02:37 PM PDT on Thursday, September 11, 2008

By DON PORTER / KING 5 News

TACOMA, Wash. - Western Washington paused along with the nation Thursday to remember the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center.

A memorial was held on the shores of Commencement Bay, where Tacoma firefighters and police gathered in tribute.

"September 11 was also a day when our generation of Americans lost our innocence and our sense of safety on our homeland," said Tacoma Fire Chief Ron Stephens. "Our generation learned the values of liberty and freedom that we hold dear in our country cannot be taken for granted."

In nearby Federal Way, Paul Fox takes nothing much for granted these days.

He was on the 50th floor of the north tower in the World Trade Center on the day of the attacks.

He fears the day is fading in the nation's memory.

"That was a day which many people were murdered. They weren’t just killed in an industrial accident, they were murdered by people who are bent on changing the American life, the American lifestyle," he said. "And I think people are forgetting that, wrapping too much politics around what happened that day. So I think it is sad."

He doesn't think the nation will ever be free of the threat of another 9/11.

"We've been changed forever," he said.

Zzagg

2008-09-12, 09:54 AM

"Can we laugh about anything?
Yes... but not with anybody"*
He fears the day is fading in the nation's memory.Why would it be something to fear? wouldn't it be great if the tremendous pain felt by those who lost some relatives, and the others, faded away?
That doesn't mean 9/11 will get out of our memory, I think it's impossible for people (american or not) to forget this horrible day.
I don't know anyone who doesn't remember precisely what he/she was doing when he/she was faced with this atrocity (sp?).
Nobody can forget that.
This said, I don't understand why some people would want the whole nation/world to suffer again and again because of 9/11.
As this man says in the article: "We've been changed forever" that's true, not only for you americans but for the whole world**. That's why I think we don't have to "twist the blade in the flesh" (?) every year. 9/11 has become a part of us, no more no less.
People take this seriously, wich is normal considering the pain they might have to deal with, but some of them would like the whole world to carry the burden in a masochist (sp?) way . I'm not Ok with that. My thoughts go to the 9/11 victims and their families, I still have a life to deal with and don't see how automutilating (:confused: ) my mind with 9/11 sadness would make me more respectful.
So I'm the kind of guy wich you can joke on 9/11 with, sorry if some of you find this silly or disrespectful.:(

*Pierre Desproges, translated from french
*except thousands of people dying from malaria NOW, that is one 9/11 every day and nobody notices it... but I wont go further on this way, there are better places for this debate

Jerrick

2008-09-12, 10:49 AM

Yes, your friends and family. Not millions of people you don't know.

I can have a pretty sick sense of humor sometimes, but I found both videos in bad taste. To each his own.

Nah, the millions of people can join in too.

I plan, that right berfore I die, if its in a crash or something I see coming but cant avoid, im going to loudly say "Eeep!" Kinda high-pitched, but not girly high. That would be perfect.

Seager

2008-09-13, 10:24 AM

nor will it ever be for anyone who is old enough to remember where they were when the attacks happened.

Well, no, I doubt that. I was in my early 20's when 9-11 happened and I can make jokes about it. Hell, my friends and I were making jokes about it THE DAY OF, just not within earshot of anyone else.

There are two issues here:

First, is it funny? To some, yes. Some people deal with things through humor. I was making "dead mom" jokes with my friends at her funeral, and I was making 9-11 jokes the day of 9-11. They were all hilarious, to us. I haven't yet found a topic that I can't joke about. Child molestation, dead parents, holocaust, you name it, I find jokes about it funny. It's how I deal with and process things. My friends and wife are all the same way. Most people aren't this way, however, which brings it to issue two:

Where is the time and place for such jokes? For my friends and I understand that most people don't find these things funny, so we self-censor. A lot of people don't have that courtesy, and your issue with them should be that they are being blatantly offensive in public with no regard for how other's feel, not that they find it funny in the first place. You can't fault a person for their sense of humor, only for how they and when they express it.

mornish

2008-09-13, 04:23 PM

I don't really thing that 9/11 was really a surprise for anyone. i mean, we can't start meaningless wars without provoking people and making enemies.

The main thing for me is that even though yes, it was a horrible thing, and people did die, but, it was only about 3000 people. 3000 out of 7,000,000,000 is not very many. And, compared to all of the other horrible things that are happening in our world, it's not too significant. 30,000 African children under the age of 5 die, every single day, from illnesses and diseases we know how to stop and control.

Sure, the people who died during 9/11 were Americans, and sure, they blew up 2 large buildings, but does that really matter that much in the light of all of the other horrible things?

Just my opinion, I'm not in any way saying that the 9/11 attacks weren't horrible - they were. I'm just trying to say that much, much more horrible things are happening on a daily basis that most of us don't even hear about.

-Miles

wickedbob

2008-09-13, 04:39 PM

It's a touchy subject. I got a weird sense of humor. Those video's lost me. I didn't find anything funny, not because the subject matter, there just wasn't anything there.

hobo_chuck

2008-09-13, 10:09 PM

The video was horrible, but I like the cake and .818181 repeating

mscalisi

2008-09-14, 05:35 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU

dudewithasock

2008-09-14, 05:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU

Very interesting/touching documentary, thanks for the link.

GILD

2008-09-15, 09:19 AM

medieval thuggery committed by religious zealots who acted out of their faith.
And the IRA did not act out of their faith??!?

napalm

2008-09-15, 02:03 PM

damn it GILD you beat me to it. I have been studying terrorism at uni just recently under a lecturer who used to work in northern Ireland as an informant for the British. Kind of interesting to note that in the modern period (from mid 1980's) there has only been 2000 or so incidents of suicide terrorism. Less than 40% is perpetrated by the 'religious zealots' (yes videotoast that includes not just Muslims but also Christians, hindus, and buddists). The rest is typically made up of marxist leninist groups such as the Tamil tigers. Leading research at the moment points to the trend that suicide terrorism is most prevalent in situations where an operationally weak group react against foreign occupation of their homeland- this is exacebated if that occupational group is of a different religion to the occupied population. Strangely though it is usually undertaken by males who are 1st or 2nd generation immigrants who are currently living in another country.

videotoast- I think the 9/11 attacks were tragic, but no less tragic than any other act of political volience (whether performed by a state or sub state actor) which targets civilians. The mistake is to consider the attacks as a response to who the USA is, instead of a reaction to what it has done in the past.

I have no desire to watch the youtube videos, and while i think freedom of speech is important- so is respecting the people who lost loved ones in the incident.

mark

mscalisi

2008-09-15, 05:18 PM

You're welcome. I only watched the first 15 minutes or so. It was all I could handle in one sitting.

Very interesting/touching documentary, thanks for the link.

dudewithasock

2008-09-15, 06:19 PM

You're welcome. I only watched the first 15 minutes or so. It was all I could handle in one sitting.

I would definitely make it a point to try and get through the entire thing, maybe a couple glasses of wine will help. The search for the man's identity is really interesting, especially his relatives' (both 'true' and 'false') reactions.

videotoast

2008-09-17, 05:31 PM

damn it GILD you beat me to it. I have been studying terrorism at uni just recently under a lecturer who used to work in northern Ireland as an informant for the British. Kind of interesting to note that in the modern period (from mid 1980's) there has only been 2000 or so incidents of suicide terrorism. Less than 40% is perpetrated by the 'religious zealots' (yes videotoast that includes not just Muslims but also Christians, hindus, and buddists). The rest is typically made up of marxist leninist groups such as the Tamil tigers. Leading research at the moment points to the trend that suicide terrorism is most prevalent in situations where an operationally weak group react against foreign occupation of their homeland- this is exacebated if that occupational group is of a different religion to the occupied population. Strangely though it is usually undertaken by males who are 1st or 2nd generation immigrants who are currently living in another country.

videotoast- I think the 9/11 attacks were tragic, but no less tragic than any other act of political volience (whether performed by a state or sub state actor) which targets civilians. The mistake is to consider the attacks as a response to who the USA is, instead of a reaction to what it has done in the past.

Thank you for the civil discourse.

There is no arguement that all faiths are capable, and perpetuate acts of terror. It can be seen everyday, unfortunately.

There is a vast difference, in the aims of those who undertook the acts of 9/11, Madrid and London bombings, under the auspices of the Muslim faith. They have hijacked the faith, and seek to build a new caliphate, as was in place in medieval times...it is not just the US who is under attack by these people, it is everyone who does not believe as they do, and they will gladly take advantage of the freedoms most of us enjoy in order to kill us.

mornish

2008-09-18, 02:21 AM

Definitely.

Most people don't seem to know that the Islam faith has quite a few rules. Many of them dictate the whole "don't harm others" thing. Islam is very very similar to Christianity and Judaism. I mean, not only are they all monotheistic, but they are even all monotheistic under the name of the same freaking god, and then there is lots of fighting from people who don't understand each other.

The terrorists were not true followers of Islam, just people who were using it for their own purposes.