Do you support Atheists ban on teaching about imaginary numbers?

[BillyTheMountain]

Imaginary numbers were defined in 1572 by Rafael Bombelli, a very religious man of great faith.

At the time, like GOD, some thought such numbers did not exist, much as zero and the negative numbers were regarded by some as fictitious.

Atheist mathematicians were slow to believe in imaginary numbers at first, including Descartes who wrote about them in his La Géométrie, where the term was meant to be derogatory. Nevertheless, over time many mathematicians were converted, and their faith in these numbers grew strong!

The gateway drug theory is the hypothesis that the use of soft drugs leads to a higher, future risk of hard drug use.

Atheists have proposed the gateway faith theory, the hypothesis that the belief in imaginary numbers and such leads to a higher, future risk of religiosity.

As a consequence, the Atheists are calling for school systems to BAN the mention of imaginary numbers in public school math classes.

How strong is your faith in the existence of imaginary numbers?

Do you support Atheists ban on teaching about imaginary numbers?

[JJuggle]

I like turtles.

[BluntRM]

.http://rumplo.com/assets/contrib/tees/0000/3302/3302-0.jpg.

[bugman]

The most important things in life are invisible.

[UniBrier]

It clearly depends on the ramifications.

What my children want as their allowances is an imaginary number. If imaginary numbers are banned, does that mean they have to quit asking or do I have to give them what they want?


Perhaps the real question is whether there should be a ban on threads about imaginary issues.

[Seager]

Imaginary numbers are a gateway to computer programming. Please, for the sake of our children getting laid, ban imaginary numbers!

[JJuggle]

Imaginary numbers are a gateway to computer programming. Please, for the sake of our children getting laid, ban imaginary numbers!
If I'm not mistaken your children are imaginary too.

[GILD]

If I'm not mistaken your children are imaginary too.
Imagine that.

[JJuggle]

Imagine that.
Did I mention that I like turtles?

[siafirede]

Did I mention that I like turtles?

Turtles are pretty awesome.

[JJuggle]

Turtles are pretty awesome.
What in particular do you find awesome about them? I'm taken in by their blank, vacuous yet determined gazes. I imagine that look to be like what a constipated Zen master would look like trying to pinch one out.

[wobbling bear]

Imaginary numbers were defined in 1572 by Rafael Bombelli, a very religious man of great faith.

who then thought he was tempted by the devil !

[Mikefule]

Did I mention that I like turtles?

I remember you saying so. I have turtle recall.

[siafirede]

What in particular do you find awesome about them? I'm taken in by their blank, vacuous yet determined gazes. I imagine that look to be like what a constipated Zen master would look like trying to pinch one out.

They are basically nature's tanks.

I also saw a documentary on turtles, I believe the ones shown in the documentary were 13-19 years old, and in the documentary it showed how these turtles are actually quite strong and good at fighting the likes of ninjas. They also loved to eat pizza if I remember correctly, and I can relate to that. It shed a whole new light on how amazing turtles actually are.

[JJuggle]

who then thought he was tempted by the devil !
Arrête! Nous avons détourné déjà ce fil.

Et j'aime les tortues.

[harper]

It shed a whole new light on how amazing turtles actually are.

This puts a perspective on things well worth bearing in mind.

[Gadge]

I think I've turtally missed the point...

[siafirede]

I think I've turtally missed the point...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3151/2675460370_a1791ae18d.jpg?v=0

[kevinalexandersmith]

Boring fact: In electronics we don’t use imaginary numbers, because “i” get’s confused with “I”. “I” represents current in electronics. Instead we call them j-factors or “j”.

When I switched from Electronics to teaching math, boy was I in for a shock.

I’m not sure if I believe in the existence of turtles; they sound like something somebody made up.

[JJuggle]

I’m not sure if I believe in the existence of turtles; they sound like something somebody made up.
Heretic!

[maestro8]

I don't trust them irrational numbers.

pi = 22 / 7 and that's all I'll ever need to know about that.

If pi were irrational, wouldn't that mean God screwed up when he designed the circle?

[Gadge]

I’m not sure if I believe in the existence of turtles; they sound like something somebody made up.

I've seen one, in fact I've seen quite a few. So they MUST be real! :D

[Gadge]

I mean, I've seen turtles but I'm not sure if I believe in atheists.

[dudewithasock]

I mean, I've seen turtles but I'm not sure if I believe in atheists.

Do you think turtles believe in atheists?

[Jethro]

I wish people would keep their imaginary number issues to themselves rather than feeling the need to spew them all over a unicycle board.

[Mikefule]

Some of the great atheist thinkers have tortoise a lot about the world.

However, I think these puns need to be stopped before we're arrested under the Prevention of Terrapinism Act.

[uni57]

have tortoise a lot about the world.Are you currently possessed by Terry?

[peleschramm]

Haha... man, your sarcasm is so subtle...

If I were to answer this question seriously, I would look like an idiot.

Turtles it is.

[Michaelgoround]

My firends uncle owns som tortises thy are pretty cool, but his monkey things are a lot cooler.
Monkeys.:rolleyes:

[JJuggle]

My firends uncle owns som tortises thy are pretty cool, but his monkey things are a lot cooler.
Monkeys.:rolleyes:
I like monkeys.

They hurl feces.

Cool!

[1-wheeled-grape]

"if you have any poo, fling it now" Oh Madagascar is a great film!

My neighbours had a turtle called speedy... oh how ironic.

[drumstuck]

Atheists are a militant lot - always banning things, blowing things up and starting wars. The thing I really hate is the way they indoctrinate their offspring.

No, it's not atheists I'm thinking about....

It's turtles.

[Seager]

Are you currently possessed by Terry?

No, Mike's puns are actually funny. :)

[MuniAddict]

No, Terry's puns are actually funny. :) :)Fixed! :)

[MuniAddict]

Are you currently possessed by Terry?If he was, I'd give him better material than that lol!;)

[wobbling bear]

Arrête! Nous avons détourné déjà ce fil.

Et j'aime les tortues.
how: stewed? roasted? barb-q-ed? boiled? wan-tuned? fried? wok-ed?

[GILD]

I like monkeys.

They hurl feces.

Cool!
Do they post?

My neighbours had a turtle called speedy... oh how ironic.
You should get him a zebra called Spot.

Or a cliche called, ...oh, wait...

[dudewithasock]

Monkeys and I apparently have a lot in common!!

[BillyTheMountain]

Monkeys and I apparently have a lot in common!!

This thread is about TURTLES, threadjacker!!!!

[Mikefule]

Do they post?

You should get him a zebra called Spot.

Or a cliche called, ...oh, wait...

Oh, please! You should avoid clichés like the plague.

[JJuggle]

Oh, please! You should avoid clichés like the plague.
How ironic. How tragic! :(

[maestro8]

Monkeyman and I apparently have a lot in common!!
Fixed?

[adhdbrian]

wow this made me laugh

[mscalisi]

My best friend is an invisible unicorn-turtle.

You have to be careful to not make him angry or he charges you with his horn. ...of course, you have plenty of time to get out of the way.

[hobo_chuck]

If pi were irrational, wouldn't that mean God screwed up when he designed the circle?
Yes. Yes, I did.

And those turtles...they didn't didn't turn out quite like I wanted either.
Sorry about that.

[uni57]

My best friend is an invisible unicorn-turtle.

You have to be careful to not make him angry or he charges you with his horn. ...of course, you have plenty of time to get out of the way.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, the image of a pissed-off unicorn-turtle charging at me at turtle speed is profoundly, hysterically funny. Thank you.

[JJuggle]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, the image of a pissed-off unicorn-turtle charging at me at turtle speed is profoundly, hysterically funny. Thank you.
You're most welcome.

[MuniAddict]

My best friend is an invisible unicorn-turtle.

You have to be careful to not make him angry or he charges you with his horn. ...of course, you have plenty of time to get out of the way.Well, let me introduce him to my invisible friend, Harvey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfXvW2wsuQ).

[dudewithasock]

Fixed?

Lol, also true.

[uni57]

You're most welcome.Yeah, well... I guess "thanks for saying the word turtle" is due. But mscalisi did all the heavy lifting. I can still see the turtle's face contorted by anger as he approaches ever-so-slowly while aiming his unicorn horn.

[uni man 22]

what the heck is an imaginary number!
im a strong cristian and iv never heard of them

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Well, let me introduce him to my invisible friend, Harvey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfXvW2wsuQ).
Pooka:
A mythical animal with human habits that usually takes the shape of a large animal. Very fond of crack-pot, jack-pot and how are you Mr. Wilson?

[BillyTheMountain]

If this were Iraq, lots more of you would have exercised your right to vote in this poll.

For those of you who did vote, thank you for participating in democracy!

[uni man 22]

can somone tell me what an imaginary number is??
then i could participate in the poll

[dudewithasock]

can somone tell me what an imaginary number is??
then i could participate in the poll

Essentially, an imaginary number is a number in the form "a + b*i", where 'a' and 'b' are some real numbers and 'i' is the equivalent of sqrt(-1). That's a very very limited definition, but I'm assuming you haven't learned about complex numbers in your level of math yet.

[Kyle_Destroyer]

Mind stating any kind of source on this? Is it some extremist group or just a fictitious example used to prove a point?

Either way it means nothing......

what the heck is an imaginary number!
im a strong cristian and iv never heard of them

It's best to spell your savior's name right.

And for that matter your religion.


..........tard.

[feel the light]

what the heck is an imaginary number!
im a strong cristian and iv never heard of them

An imaginary number is the money you ow me. It is a reflection of your respect for me, record keeping, and your honesty.

A real number is the money you have, or the trust you ascribe to me to pay my debts to you.

The idea that plus or minus numbers can be linked to religion or atheism is an interesting thread concept from Billy, but it was actually the Arabs who came up with a "not screwy" math system we use today:) .

[monkeyman]

Essentially, an imaginary number is a number in the form "a + b*i", where 'a' and 'b' are some real numbers and 'i' is the equivalent of sqrt(-1). That's a very very limited definition, but I'm assuming you haven't learned about complex numbers in your level of math yet.
GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN!

Don't listen to him, uni man. Imaginary numbers can refer to a number of things, but the definitions change depending on what the Atheist conspirators what you think. Popular definitions in the past have included such atrocities as:
The number of Gods in the universe
The number of creatures God truly "created"
The number of times Raphael has voted Republican
The number of seconds we will live after CERN creates a black hole.
Harper's IQ
Lindsay Lohan's weight gain
People who enjoy Ludacris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludacris#Bill_O.27Reilly)
The number of sides of a circle

Don't fall for it, son. Just keep praying.

[harper]

I had a number of imaginary friends when I was younger. Now it's just JC...you know...the main man one.

[BillyTheMountain]

I had a number of imaginary friends when I was younger. Now it's just JC...you know...the main man one.

R U Saying JC IS IMAGINARY????

[BillyTheMountain]

GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN!

Don't listen to him, uni man. Imaginary numbers can refer to a number of things, but the definitions change depending on what the Atheist conspirators what you think. Popular definitions in the past have included such atrocities as:
The number of Gods in the universe
The number of creatures God truly "created"
The number of times Raphael has voted Republican
The number of seconds we will live after CERN creates a black hole.
Harper's IQ
Lindsay Lohan's weight gain
People who enjoy Ludacris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludacris#Bill_O.27Reilly)
The number of sides of a circle

Don't fall for it, son. Just keep praying.

Thanks Monkeyman!

You too, Uni Man!!

If you let the Atheists control the MATH classes, pretty soon they'll turn SCIENCE into their Atheist IDEOLOGY!!

You can see how the Atheists are threatened by the attempt to stop them.

But since Atheists cannot rely on reason, they must stoop to noise and static, as they are doing here.

Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Billy

[uni57]

But since Atheists cannot rely on reason, they must stoop to noise and static, as they are doing here.Mmmm... yummy bait. Gulp.

Billy, Billy, Billy. As you know, atheists thrive on reason. We live by it. It's our lifeblood. It doesn't mean we are always right, but far better to try to engage the brain than to throw out logic and reason, labeling such omission of thought as "faith" and calling it pious and virtuous.

Wow, that kicked your ass, didn't it? Your turn.

[1-wheeled-grape]

My best friend is an invisible unicorn-turtle.

You have to be careful to not make him angry or he charges you with his horn. ...of course, you have plenty of time to get out of the way.
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8714/chztnm5js0vi7.jpg

[Michaelgoround]

Well, let me introduce him to my invisible friend, Harvey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfXvW2wsuQ).
Who doesn't see 6ft tall imaginary rabits that aren't really imaginary?

[monkeyman]

Mmmm... yummy bait. Gulp.

Billy, Billy, Billy. As you know, atheists thrive on reason. We live by it. It's our lifeblood. It doesn't mean we are always right, but far better to try to engage the brain than to throw out logic and reason, labeling such omission of thought as "faith" and calling it pious and virtuous.

Wow, that kicked your ass, didn't it? Your turn.
Hush up, you milk-fearing, Rand-loving, godless, pinko commie, and quit trying to corrupt us children. You're all like "Oh ho ho, look at me, I have reason in my blood." Yeah, well, guess what? My blood is red. Do you know why it's red? Because I'm a red-blooded AMERICAN! Yippie kai yay, motherlover!

http://www.celluloid-dreams.de/content/images/kritiken-filmbilder/team-america-world-police/team-america-world-police-1.jpg

[uni57]

Hush up, you milk-fearing, Rand-loving, Hmmph. Texans.

And for the record, I was never a big fan of Ayn.

[fexnix]

Unicycle for imaginary numbers?

[hobo_chuck]

Unicycle for imaginary numbers?
HELL YEAH!

[olduniman]

Imaginary numbers, i or j = sqrt(-1), exist and are useful in some mathematical operations. A rudimentary explanation is available in Wikipedia from where Billy seems to have copied a chunk of his first post. I suppose it is sort of funny to tease atheists in the way he is doing, but it is a feeble effort.

For anyone with the time to read a few screens of text, there is an excellent discussion of the existence of imaginary or complex numbers at

http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/answers/imaginary.html

You will not, in contrast, find any credible arguments for the existence of imaginary beings anywhere on the web.

[Mikefule]

You will not, in contrast, find any credible arguments for the existence of imaginary beings anywhere on the web.

As many people do believe them, they are not incredible. They ought to be, but unfortunately they aren't. This is because of the determined ingenuity of human credulity.

[harper]

I suppose it is sort of funny to tease atheists in the way he is doing, but it is a feeble effort.



You don't seem to understand. Billy is just...feeble.

[uni57]

It's okay. I've kicked his ass right out of his own thread. Have you noticed he's gone?

[monkeyman]

Hmmph. Texans.

And for the record, I was never a big fan of Ayn.
Oh, Dave, you know I joke. You love your milk.

<3

[BillyTheMountain]

Mmmm... yummy bait. Gulp.

Billy, Billy, Billy. As you know, atheists thrive on reason. We live by it. It's our lifeblood. It doesn't mean we are always right, but far better to try to engage the brain than to throw out logic and reason, labeling such omission of thought as "faith" and calling it pious and virtuous.

Wow, that kicked your ass, didn't it? Your turn.

Yeah, well... I guess "thanks for saying the word turtle" is due. But mscalisi did all the heavy lifting. I can still see the turtle's face contorted by anger as he approaches ever-so-slowly while aiming his unicorn horn.

.http://rumplo.com/assets/contrib/tees/0000/3302/3302-0.jpg.

I'm with RM here.

I may not believe in imaginary numbers but I will fight for your right to teach about them. This is not Red China!

[uni57]

I'm with RM here.

I may not believe in imaginary numbers but I will fight for your right to teach about them. This is not Red China!Thank you, Billy. I see how that addresses the comments I made.

[BillyTheMountain]

Thank you, Billy. I see how that addresses the comments I made.

Dave,

That's why I love you, my brother!

Peace!

Billy

[uni57]

I love you too, Billy.

[mornish]

I like turtles.

[JJuggle]

I like turtles.
+1

[maestro8]

+1
+i

[mscalisi]

I came very close to having soy milk shoot out my nose after reading this.

Yeah, well... I guess "thanks for saying the word turtle" is due. But mscalisi did all the heavy lifting. I can still see the turtle's face contorted by anger as he approaches ever-so-slowly while aiming his unicorn horn.

[siafirede]

I came very close to having soy milk shoot out my nose after reading this.


I hope it was vanilla silk soy, the best of the best.

[BillyTheMountain]

Mmmm... yummy bait. Gulp.

Billy, Billy, Billy. As you know, atheists thrive on reason.

To be precise, no person or group of persons THRIVE on reason alone. Logicians are good at it. Sceptics try to make such a claim as well. But sceptics come from all religious faiths and agnostics as well, as do logicians.

There is nothing inherent in Atheism that commands them to place reason above all other GODS.

The only doctrine of Atheism is the faith that there is NO GOD.

[unifreak7]

This makes atheists look bad.

Math and religon to me are too far apart for a small aspect in one to lead to a large aspect in another.

Religon is good. I wouldn't ever follow any of it. But in general it teaches kids morals. If they later grow up and follow something else, usually those morals still transfer with them. Basically saying atheists shouldn't care if non-believers become believers. Same thing for believers shouldn't care if believers come non-believers.

Just a side line question for the religon folk. What does your faith say about dark energy?

p.s. Billy if you would like to talk more in depth about something like this p.m. me and I can check back on this more. Since too many people will say useless things about topics like this. I think most people just don't care to thnk about anything going on around them.

[BillyTheMountain]

And just because Athiesm has been responsible for more deaths than all the other religions combined, we should not hold that against the Atheists, and we should support their freedom to exercise their Faith like everyone else, ust as the Agnostics are free to exercise their relative lack of Faith.

[mscalisi]

Really Billy?? I've come to expect better than this of you. No need to go all Palin on atheists.

And just because Athiesm has been responsible for more deaths than all the other religions combined, we should not hold that against the Atheists, and we should support their freedom to exercise their Faith like everyone else, ust as the Agnostics are free to exercise their relative lack of Faith.

[GILD]

Peanut butter.

[Shade]

I don't get the link between imaginari numbers and atheïsts.. What has it to do with religion? Its pure maths?

[GILD]

It's pure maths?
It's pure BillyTheMountain.

[Shade]

It's pure BillyTheMountain.

Should I know him, i'd probably understand.. :p

[harper]

Should I know him, i'd probably understand..

No. Knowing him personally won't help you. In person he is a perfectly rational, even engaging, fellow. That gives you no insight into the motivation behind all of his threads. Just start reading threads that Billy started. You will soon develop an accurate image of a darkly frustrated WalMart employee scattering fish food into an over crowded goldfish tank and gleefully watching the packed and desperate residents scramble for the little treats.

[Shade]

No. Knowing him personally won't help you. In person he is a perfectly rational, even engaging, fellow. That gives you no insight into the motivation behind all of his threads. Just start reading threads that Billy started. You will soon develop an accurate image of a darkly frustrated WalMart employee scattering fish food into an over crowded goldfish tank and gleefully watching the packed and desperate residents scramble for the little treats.

Aha :)

Now I still don't know the connection between atheists and imaginary numbers, as far as I know, imaginary numbers have nothing to do with any god whatsoever, and are created to get the root from negative numbers..:p

[JJuggle]

Aha :)

Now I still don't know the connection between atheists and imaginary numbers, as far as I know, imaginary numbers have nothing to do with any god whatsoever, and are created to get the root from negative numbers..:p
Some people actually believe God is imaginary but is used to connect squares with their roots.

[Shade]

Some people actually believe God is imaginary but is used to connect squares with their roots.

Ouch, my head hurts xD This definetely makes some sense :D

Back to the turtles :)

[Gadge]

Back to the turtles :)

Oh goody - I was missing the turtles...

[JJuggle]

It just so happens that I like turtles.

[Shade]

It just so happens that I like turtles.

Oh really? I seem to have heard that before, on the previous page or something, back in the tie I was on this forum for only 2 days, and didn't try to make sense of everything.

But okay, turtles for you it is then!

[Michaelgoround]

http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/image.php?u=17951&dateline=1223208213 (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/member.php?u=17951)
I was just wondering am I extremely cool now, or is their no hope?

[mscalisi]

Good thing it's turtles all the way down!

It just so happens that I like turtles.

[critter]

I got bit by a snappin' turtle when I was 10.

math is uni-versal

I do no-pedal uni-spins in my imagination

and no, I don't support numbers that are made up.

[Shade]

I got bit by a snappin' turtle when I was 10.

math is uni-versal

I do no-pedal uni-spins in my imagination

and no, I don't support numbers that are made up.

Turtles do no-pedal unispins in my imagination :)

[GILD]

Some people actually believe God is imaginary but is used to connect squares with their roots.

This may be one of the funniest posts on the thread.
That doesn't contain the word TURTLES.

[BillyTheMountain]

Some people actually believe God is imaginary but is used to connect squares with their roots.

If not GOD, what connects squares with their roots?

[JJuggle]

If not GOD, what connects squares with their roots?
Ancestry.com, the Mormons, Alex Haley?

[dudewithasock]

It just so happens that I like turtles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

[rookie rider]

I like turtles.

turtles are sweet. so are pygmy hippos.:rolleyes:

[BillyTheMountain]

Ancestry.com, the Mormons, Alex Haley?

Really?!

Are you saying Alex Haley is GOD?

[Shade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

From where do I know that zombie kid face?

[BillyTheMountain]

From where do I know that zombie kid face?

34 people voted in this poll.

The overwhelming majority believe in imaginary numbers and support the teachings of imaginary numbers.

The Atheists lose, and imaginary numbers will continue to be taught.

[JJuggle]

34 people voted in this poll.

The overwhelming majority believe in imaginary numbers and support the teachings of imaginary numbers.

The Atheists lose, and imaginary numbers will continue to be taught.
Apparently Billy you don't have much faith in yourself. You set this poll to close in March 2009, but are declaring victory 6 months prematurely.

Romans 14:22
"Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth."

[BillyTheMountain]

Apparently Billy you don't have much faith in yourself. You set this poll to close in March 2009, but are declaring victory 6 months prematurely.

Romans 14:22
"Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth."

When the numbers look this bad, even a presidential candidate may concede before the polls close on the West coast.

Any Atheists up for making the concessions speech?

[JJuggle]

When the numbers look this bad, even a presidential candidate may concede before the polls close on the West coast.
You should read this somewhat sobering New Yorker piece, The Hardest Vote (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/13/081013fa_fact_packer).

Any Atheists up for making the concessions speech?
Sure, in March 2009, when YOU set this poll to close.

[BillyTheMountain]

Imaginary numbers were defined in 1572 by Rafael Bombelli, a very religious man of great faith.

At the time, like GOD, some thought such numbers did not exist, much as zero and the negative numbers were regarded by some as fictitious.

Atheist mathematicians were slow to believe in imaginary numbers at first, including Descartes who wrote about them in his La Géométrie, where the term was meant to be derogatory. Nevertheless, over time many mathematicians were converted, and their faith in these numbers grew strong!

The gateway drug theory is the hypothesis that the use of soft drugs leads to a higher, future risk of hard drug use.

Atheists have proposed the gateway faith theory, the hypothesis that the belief in imaginary numbers and such leads to a higher, future risk of religiosity.

As a consequence, the Atheists are calling for school systems to BAN the mention of imaginary numbers in public school math classes.

How strong is your faith in the existence of imaginary numbers?

Do you support Atheists ban on teaching about imaginary numbers?

I dunno, don't ya think these Atheists might have something here?