Do You Buy Your Music? [Archive] - Unicyclist Community

JJuggle

2008-08-14, 03:54 PM

I buy my music. I either buy it from iTunes or occasionally buy an actual CD from a brick and mortar store.

Why do I buy my music? A crap load of people worked to make it and they deserve some compensation. They give me enjoyment, I give them money.

I own a fair amount of music and I buy one or two albums per month and the odd song here and there.

How can I afford it? I work for a f*cking living, buy necessities, save a little, and blow some on stuff I want.

Am I happy with the situation? Yes and no.

ThisGuyIKnow

2008-08-14, 03:58 PM

I think it's a bit pompous in the way that you ask people to justify their motives being law abiding.

phlegm

2008-08-14, 04:23 PM

Those of you who don't download their music off illegal websites/networks, speak up! Why do you buy your music? How much music do you buy/own? How can you afford it? Are you happy with the situation?

There's got to be some of you out there.

Why would I buy my music? I already own it. :p

Lately, I mostly listen to others music on pandora or online radio stations, so I guess the advertisers buy the music for me.

Once in a while I still buy others music via CD when I want to hear an entire album.

I'm happy with the situation. There's plenty of legally "free to me" music available, and the few CDs I buy aren't that expensive. I mean, I pay half as much just to see a movie once in a theater. A CD full of music can give me hours and hours of enjoyment.

LegoBoy

2008-08-14, 05:29 PM

What I do not download for free (legally by the way), I usually buy from half.com, get at pawn shops, or yard sales. I've also gotten a large portion of my collection for Christmas/birthdays.

oneisenough

2008-08-14, 05:53 PM

I buy everything, or download legally. Now I use itunes as it is so easy, or i get the actual CD. The nice thing about itunes is that you can get single songs. The music I download is from myspace, which is put up by the artist, and the downloadability is in their control. I also get shadowville beats, which are free to download for non-prophet use.

I keep it legal b/c music pays the musicians for their talent, and w/o pay they couldn't produce it, and then I couldn't hear it. It is also blatantly wrong to get it illegally b/c why should the artists talent be given away. I know I would want to do my job for no pay.

Tak

2008-08-14, 06:48 PM

http://www.positech.co.uk/talkingtopirates.html may be relevant to the current discussion.

I keep it legal b/c music pays the musicians for their talent, and w/o pay they couldn't produce it, and then I couldn't hear it.
Unfortunately, purchasing CDs only pays recording companies for exploiting musicians' talent. iTunes and similar are slightly better, but not much. I'll donate directly to the artist, or pay for a performance.

It is also blatantly wrong to get it illegally b/c why should the artists talent be given away. I know I would want to do my job for no pay.
Recording musicians (and other "intellectual property" (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html) vendors) have somehow managed to dupe people into believing that they should be compensated for the rest of their lives for recording a single song. Why?

phlegm

2008-08-14, 07:27 PM

Unfortunately, purchasing CDs only pays recording companies for exploiting musicians' talent. iTunes and similar are slightly better, but not much. I'll donate directly to the artist, or pay for a performance.

It seems to me that according to your definition of "exploit", my employer "exploits" me too by paying me for my abilities. Isn't that what all employers do? Musicians don't have to align themselves with recording companies.

john_childs

2008-08-14, 08:33 PM

I buy. Mostly used. Much of what I listen to isn't the stuff that's popular on the BitTorrent sites so even bothering to look for a download is pointless.

I've bought a few digital album downloads from Amazon's MP3 store when the price of the digital download version was enough below the cost of the new/used CD to justify having a digital only copy.

One thing that worries me is that the used market is going to dry up eventually. Legal digital downloads from Amazon can't really be resold. And BitTorrent downloads can't be resold. The supply of used CDs is going to shrink. How much longer will we have a local used CD store to browse and buy from?

Mikefule

2008-08-14, 08:48 PM

I buy. I can't say I have never had a copied CD from a friend, or sent a track to a friend if I thought they might be interested in a new artist, but basically, I buy.

You wouldn't steal a painting or a statue. Music is art. It is a product that costs time and money to make.

It takes an investment of years to learn to play an instrument. Instruments and equipment cost huge amounts of money. Artists often pay with their own money to record their first tracks. Even the richest musicians started off having to build their reputations, and for every one who succeeds, there are countless equally hard working and talented people who fail. Success in the music business has much to do with luck, connections and timing, and only a limited amount to do with pure musicality.

I tend to like fairly "minority interest" music and it goes hand in hand with that that I want minority interest musicians to survive. They won't do that if I don't pay them a fair rate for their product.

I buy CDs, as that gives me the option of listening to the music in different ways - the sound quality is better than MP3, but I can make MP3 files from them if I wish.

BillyTheMountain

2008-08-14, 11:05 PM

You wouldn't steal a painting or a statue.

we're UNICYCLISTS! we're not like those art thieves stealing paintings from the Louvre Museum, or even from your local poster shop.

You wouldn't steal from the government by failing to declare all your income, or inflating expenses.

you wouldn't sneak into a concert of your favorite musician if they were sold out, you could not get tickets, you were walking by when someone opened an unwatched door, and they wrongly invited you in.

you wouldn't take a sick day at work when you weren't actually sick. that's stealing! so is surfing the internet on company time, when you should be working!

is getting cheap music from mp3.ru in russia stealing? i'm new to all this, and have only been uploading my cds into my new iMac. Bt when that's done, i'll probably hunt for more music somewhere.

billy

jamesande

2008-08-14, 11:07 PM

I buy most of my music, i enjoy going down to the music store, browsing through some cd's and forking out the money for bands/artists i enjoy

Spudman

2008-08-14, 11:07 PM

All of the music I listen to came from my dad's cd collection, which is made up mostly of cd's bought used at the local music/movie store. I've never downloaded an music online.

...so when I move out of my parents house, should I be legally required to delete the music from my dad's collection and repurchase it, or what?

You wouldn't steal a painting or a statue.
You're right, I wouldn't... the main reason being that nobody else would then be able to enjoy that painting or statue. But what if I had a machine that gave me the ability to clone that artwork on the spot and walk off with the copy, would that still be theft of that artwork? (I'm not saying I would, I'm just pointing out the problem with the "downloading music is like stealing a car" comparison)

Goats_On_Unicycles

2008-08-14, 11:26 PM

I think it's a bit pompous in the way that you ask people to justify their motives being law abiding.
I think it's a bit pompous the way you think laws are so nice... :)
I've worked releasing cd's and illegal copying isn't nice, that's why I save my money and buy all the cd's made by truly struggling artists (Faun Fables, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Blue Scholars, etc.). Otherwise I copy music from cds, download, buy used, or take them (heh). Cuz Linkin Park or Rise Against isn't gonna be too broke if I steal their cd. They've got enough money to live on, they have enough dedicated fans to keep buying their music and they make new fans, who will buy their music, through illegal downloads.

unibikeling

2008-08-14, 11:26 PM

i buy my music. I currently have itunes giftcards, i hate buying music online though. I love getting the physical album. Its much more satisfying.

MuniAddict

2008-08-14, 11:27 PM

You wouldn't steal a painting or a statue. Music is art. It is a product that costs time and money to make.
Mp3's, cd's & records are *copies*, not the original(s), as are the paintings in that faulty analogy-not that I condone downloading "copies" either. Just making a distinction. :) A lot of people that agree with you also smoke pot, drink underage, and spit on the street...all illegal activities. Would they be hypocrites? Just curious. (Total "devil's advocate" stuff. Not my view, lol)

What about the MILLIONS of youtubers who add copyrighted music to their videos? Is that "stealing"? Apparently not as the record companies *allow* the use of their music on most homemade videos, mine included. It turns out that those emails I received a while back from UMG were to state that the copyrighted music on my videos would be allowed:

<UMG has claimed some or all audio content in your video San Ysidro MUni (only 58 secs ;( (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkoEJoY_l5E). This claim was made as part of the YouTube Content Identification program (http://help.youtube.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=83766). Your video is still live because UMG has authorized the use of this content on YouTube. As long as UMG has a claim on your video, they will receive public statistics about your video, such as number of views. Viewers may also see advertising on your video's page.>

Tak

2008-08-14, 11:52 PM

It seems to me that according to your definition of "exploit", my employer "exploits" me too by paying me for my abilities. Isn't that what all employers do? Musicians don't have to align themselves with recording companies.
I doubt it. Most people work on wages, salary, or commission.

Say you're a painter. You create surrealist paintings. You've displayed a few of your paintings in local showings, and they've gotten good reviews from local art critics. One day, you get a call from Cosmos Studios, offering you a painting contract with the following terms:

You will assign Cosmos Studios the copyrights to your paintings.
Your paintings will be transferred to the Cosmos Studios vault.
Cosmos Studios will scan in each of your paintings, touch up each one in Photoshop, print out hundreds or thousands of copies using a standard laser printer, sell the copies to retail stores for $20.00 each, and pay you a royalty of $0.50 each.
You will not market any paintings covered by this contract to or with any party other than Cosmos Studios.
You will give Cosmos Studios first right of refusal on your next 7 paintings.
This contract is final and non-negotiable.

Does this sound like a good deal to you?

ThisGuyIKnow

2008-08-14, 11:58 PM

I doubt it. Most people work on wages, salary, or commission.

Say you're a painter. You create surrealist paintings. You've displayed a few of your paintings in local showings, and they've gotten good reviews from local art critics. One day, you get a call from Cosmos Studios, offering you a painting contract with the following terms:

You will assign Cosmos Studios the copyrights to your paintings.
Your paintings will be transferred to the Cosmos Studios vault.
Cosmos Studios will scan in each of your paintings, touch up each one in Photoshop, print out hundreds or thousands of copies using a standard laser printer, sell the copies to retail stores for $20.00 each, and pay you a royalty of $0.50 each.
You will not market any paintings covered by this contract to or with any party other than Cosmos Studios.
You will give Cosmos Studios first right of refusal on your next 7 paintings.
This contract is final and non-negotiable.

Does this sound like a good deal to you?

It's a better deal than your paintings sitting in a closet never seeing the light of day

critter

2008-08-15, 02:01 AM

I have resorted mainly to I-tunes.
I miss the covers. Vinyl records were the best. Cds covers are little, but still has the credits, pics, etc. Even if you buy the whole album, Itunes doesn't tell me who playing what instruments or who's singing. Or some inspirational motivation.

monkeyman

2008-08-15, 02:01 AM

http://www2.piratpartiet.se/referenser/courtney_love_does_the_math

It's an article by Courtney Love about recording contracts, and piracy/the music industry in general. I think it's a good read. It's a perspective that I (it might be just me) haven't heard too much, as opposed to the RIAA's temper tantrum-ing and the hackers' pissing contests.

Perhaps if record companies would stop charging so damn much for everything, I would buy my music. I have a feeling I'll get some heat for this point-of-view, but that's what it is. I am not going to pay $15 for something unless I can actually get my money's worth. Either way, the artist gets no money, and one way, I get music. The artist loses nothing, but can only gain a fan.

MuniAddict

2008-08-15, 02:35 AM

I miss the covers. Vinyl records were the best. You got that right! I remember being the first on my block to buy the Sgt. Pepper Album when it came out in 1967. Me and my friends must have played it 20 times in a row in the garage, and it was/is the greatest album of all time, imo.:cool: \

PS: There is so much trivia and fascinating facts about this album and the amazing cover. We studied it for hours on end trying to identify all the people on the cover and what hidden stuff there might be! (This was the "Paul's dead" period too.) This was also the very first album to have the lyrics to each song printed out.

Goats_On_Unicycles

2008-08-15, 02:46 AM

A lot of people that agree with you also smoke pot, drink underage, and spit on the street...all illegal activities.
haha, I don't think spitting is illegal. :p

Goats_On_Unicycles

2008-08-15, 02:48 AM

It's a better deal than your paintings sitting in a closet never seeing the light of day
You're very practical but that's a very disgusting, deameaning and pornographic thing to do.

ThisGuyIKnow

2008-08-15, 02:55 AM

You're very practical but that's a very disgusting, deameaning and pornographic thing to do.

I don't disagree, but that doesn't justify taking things without permission

MuniAddict

2008-08-15, 02:55 AM

haha, I don't think spitting is illegal. :pActually it is! But I was taking it to ridiculous extremes of things that are illegal, but usually cops don't go out of their way to bust you for. But yeah, it's on the books as an infraction and police can ticket you, but they usually don't.

Goats_On_Unicycles

2008-08-15, 03:20 AM

I don't disagree, but that doesn't justify taking things without permission
We have different opinions. I don't make much money because I'm a musician/composer. So I think stealing stuff is cool. :cool:

Goats_On_Unicycles

2008-08-15, 03:21 AM

Actually it is! But I was taking it to ridiculous extremes of things that are illegal, but usually cops don't go out of their way to bust you for. But yeah, it's on the books as an infraction and police can ticket you, but they usually don't.
Holy, crap... what about spit-balls?

MuniAddict

2008-08-15, 03:54 AM

Holy, crap... what about spit-balls?Haha good question! I'll have to try lobbing a few choice ones at the cops in my next video: UniGeezer: "Busted!" ;)

unisteve

2008-08-15, 05:04 AM

I rarely buy CDs; I usually prefer to download my music in some kind of lossless format. If I can't find what I want online in a lossless format, I will eventually buy a CD for what I feel is a reasonable price.

What is interesting about digital downloads transcend everything in the old physical paradigm of content distribution. I am not saying this to justify my or anyone else's so-called illegal downloads in any legal, ethical or moral sense; I just want to point out that I think there is a distinction.

IP on the Global Net (http://homes.eff.org/~barlow/EconomyOfIdeas.html) is a very interesting essay by John Perry Barlow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perry_Barlow). The essay talks about intellectual property and the difficulties that the digital universe introduces to a (legal) system that is used to dealing only with the physical.

The issue of whether or not downloading music is legal is moot because the current rules do not properly address the question of digital anything. Whether downloading music is ethical or morally right is a question that can only be answered by the individual.

JJuggle

2008-08-15, 12:01 PM

You got that right! I remember being the first on my block to buy the Sgt. Pepper Album when it came out in 1967. Me and my friends must have played it 20 times in a row in the garage, and it was/is the greatest album of all time, imo.:cool: \

PS: There is so much trivia and fascinating facts about this album and the amazing cover. We studied it for hours on end trying to identify all the people on the cover and what hidden stuff there might be! (This was the "Paul's dead" period too.) This was also the very first album to have the lyrics to each song printed out.
And don't forget this one:

http://everyplatewebreak.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/blog/zappa.jpg

Hi boys and girls, I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the indian of the group:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61su44C8dfL.jpg

cathwood

2008-08-15, 12:11 PM

I buy CDs. Or rather I get other people to buy them for me for my birthday or Christmas. I think that music is rediculously cheep now, especially in these days of inflation. The first music cassette I ever bought cost about £5 when I was 10 (33 years ago). I can still buy a CD for around that amount now. There is nothing else that has increased in price so little.

Tak

2008-08-15, 12:11 PM

IP on the Global Net (http://homes.eff.org/~barlow/EconomyOfIdeas.html) is a very interesting essay by John Perry Barlow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Perry_Barlow). The essay talks about intellectual property and the difficulties that the digital universe introduces to a (legal) system that is used to dealing only with the physical.
Great article; thanks for the link!

BillyTheMountain

2008-08-15, 02:08 PM

I NYC, they're trying to pass a law making it illegal to text while driving!

I thought that was an inalienable right!

Goats_On_Unicycles

2008-08-15, 03:10 PM

And don't forget this one:

http://everyplatewebreak.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/blog/zappa.jpg

Hi boys and girls, I'm Jimmy Carl Black and I'm the indian of the group:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61su44C8dfL.jpg
Hell yea!!

What's the ugliest part of your body?
What's the ugliest part of your body?
Some say your toes, some say your nose,
But I think it's you mind...

Jerrick

2008-08-16, 02:48 AM

Hell yea!!

What's the ugliest part of your body?
What's the ugliest part of your body?
Some say your toes, some say your nose,
But I think it's you mind...

Dang you Jackie! I was gonna say the exact same thing!

BillyTheMountain

2008-08-19, 12:33 AM

Hell yea!!

What's the ugliest part of your body?
What's the ugliest part of your body?
Some say your toes, some say your nose,
But I think it's you mind...

Music and lyrics by Frank Zappa!!!

Zappa also brought you BillyTheMountain, EthelTheTree, StudebakerHock, and more!!

seems like almost everyone buys their music.....

JJuggle

2008-08-19, 01:01 AM

My ringtone is Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance.

I'd have purchased it if I could. But that would, I suppose, defeat the purpose on the part of both parties. Perhaps I should send Dweezil $2.99.

swarbrim

2008-12-16, 05:05 PM

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/steal_this_comic.png

peleschramm

2008-12-16, 05:20 PM

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/steal_this_comic.png

Very nice, mikey.

Nowadays I have a Napster to go subscription. All you can eat for $15 a month. Sure I don't own the music, but it's much easier/safer(for your computer) than pirating, and I don't mind spending $15 a month.

Jerrick

2008-12-16, 05:36 PM

peleschramm

2008-12-16, 05:43 PM

Easier, doubt it. All you have to do is search, click on the one with the most seeders and you have a song, cd, or discography downloaded in a minute or two.

Safe comes down to common sense. And it doesn't take much to learn whats good and bad. :)

Last thing I download was Symphony X discography, cause all of my cd rips ended up corrupted. Was a lot faster than putting in each cd and waiting for it to copy.
Yeah, well my dad never let me download any torrent things or kazaa or limewire or anything for fear of viruses. I spose he's no longer around... But it's probably good to follow his guidelines since he knows quite a bit about computers, and had experience with viruses and such.

Whatever, $15, I don't mind.

I used to, though, just get cds from the library and rip em onto my computer.

johnfoss

2008-12-16, 05:56 PM

Goats' earlier reply said that as long as "other people" keep buying CDs it's okay for him to pirate. I don't think he's seeing the bigger picture.

I have done my share of downloading, which I will not attempt to justify. However when I downloaded copies of songs or albums I've bought in the past, I didn't (and won't) feel guilty about that. I have a lot of old cassettes of legally-obtained music. Downloading from online sources is much easier than digitizing the old cassettes (esp. if you don't have the hardware).

I occasionally buy CDs, and also download from iTunes. For buying MP3s, in the future I will try to only buy DRM-free. That's how they sell them at Amazon, and iTunes is adding DRM-free versions of more and more of what they sell also. I consider it well worth the extra .30 or whatever it currently costs. The other day I got $5 of free music from Amazon, so I tried their system and it was pretty easy too. No DRM.

john_childs

2008-12-16, 07:00 PM

The Amazon MP3 store is awesome. No DRM and a pretty good selection.

I've bought a few albums from the Amazon MP3 store. It's handy and convenient. But I'm still a bit old fashioned in that I usually prefer getting a used CD from Amazon and ripping it myself. The downside is you have to wait a week or more for the CD to ship. My complaint with the Amazon MP3 store is that the quality of the album art can vary. Some album art is good enough, but others can be a rather poor scan. That's one reason why I like to get the CD, I can scan the album art myself and get the quality to my standards.

I'm not totally against DRM. I support the use of DRM for rental and subscription services. Without DRM those services wouldn't be able to exist. But DRM on files that you purchase is evil for the reasons stated in the xkcd comic.

john_childs

2008-12-16, 08:05 PM

A free jazz sampler from Amazon MP3. It has some nice jazz. Amazon has other free MP3s (http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1229431106/ref=sr_pg_1?ie=UTF8&rs=334897011&bbn=324586011&rh=n%3A324382011%2Cn%3A334897011&page=1).
Amazon Jazz Sampler

maestro8

2008-12-16, 08:15 PM

If I like the music I hear at a live show, I'll buy my CD at the show. It's usually cheaper than what a store charges, and the money goes straight to the band (I think).

I get a lot of free CDs at clubs and underground dance parties. Deejays seem to make more money throwing events then selling albums, so it's in their interest for them to distribute free CDs far and wide.

videotoast

2008-12-16, 08:20 PM

I think it's a bit pompous the way you think laws are so nice... :)
I've worked releasing cd's and illegal copying isn't nice, that's why I save my money and buy all the cd's made by truly struggling artists (Faun Fables, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Blue Scholars, etc.). Otherwise I copy music from cds, download, buy used, or take them (heh). Cuz Linkin Park or Rise Against isn't gonna be too broke if I steal their cd. They've got enough money to live on, they have enough dedicated fans to keep buying their music and they make new fans, who will buy their music, through illegal downloads.

So you're a thief, and admit it? That ain't cool.....what gives you the authority to selectively chose when you obey the law? Is there going to be a time in the future when you decide it is OK for you to kill someone, or rape someone because you decide they won't be missed by society or that they deserved it?

It sickens me that people chose to steal and then come up with a really stupid reason for it....it is breaking the law, no matter how you justify it. Musicians who become successful are appreciative (for the most part) for all their supportive fans.....

Being a thief is nothing I would admit to, or even brag about.....stealing is not something that I can overlook in someone. I have no respect for thieves, they are amongst the lowest scum of the earth, in my opinion.

Shame on you for being a thief.

Tak

2008-12-16, 09:09 PM

If I like the music I hear at a live show, I'll buy my CD at the show. It's usually cheaper than what a store charges, and the money goes straight to the band (I think).
I do this also, as well as purchasing tshirts and other merchandise at shows.

Shame on you for being a thief.
http://i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

dudewithasock

2008-12-16, 09:12 PM

http://i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

Yes but Jackie said he's actually stolen music from the store, that does make him a thief.

unibikeling

2008-12-16, 09:56 PM

Yes but Jackie said he's actually stolen music from the store, that does make him a thief.

hope this helps.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/lardmcfatso/jackiesteals.jpg

Jerrick

2008-12-16, 11:53 PM

dudewithasock

2008-12-17, 12:17 AM

Comments like this make me smile.

:D

While a lot of anti-piracy arguments make me grin as well, I'm curious to hear your reasoning behind why piracy and hard theft are alright sometimes and not alright at others. Just curious.

Jerrick

2008-12-17, 12:41 AM

While a lot of anti-piracy arguments make me grin as well, I'm curious to hear your reasoning behind why piracy and hard theft are alright sometimes and not alright at others. Just curious.

Hard theft I dont agree with. Piracy I like, because it saves me money. I got to try out Komplete 5 and see if it was worth spending $1k, and it was. A few other programs I download first to try out, but delete them, which is a lot better than buying a $600 program and ending up not liking it, or be stuck with tons of sound libraries that dont sound as good as people said they would.

For the music part of piracy though, it just doesnt seem important to me, we need get used to the fact that with technology, we can get anything we want with a few clicks. Even if I cant download, I have a soundcard, and forever ive been recording the sound coming through my card so I can get a song thats being played in a video or a game. Theres always gonna be a way.

Id love it if people would download my stuff all the time. That would be sweet.

dudewithasock

2008-12-17, 12:50 AM

Alright, I thought you were endorsing hard theft. That's the only part I had a problem with lol.

Jerrick

2008-12-17, 03:13 AM

Nah haha, some of the stories are funny of stealing, but id rather it not happen. Download the crap of music and save thousands of dollars of programs before you steal. lol

Ive stolen once though. I remember being a little kid, wearing a blue vest, at the store with my mom. I wanted a roll of gum and asked if I could have it. Mom says yes, I put it in my pocket. And hour of shopping and I forget its in there and leave. half way home I put my hands in my pocket and feel it in there. Haha. My mom let me keep it.

Goats_On_Unicycles

2008-12-17, 11:54 PM

So you're a thief, and admit it? That ain't cool.....what gives you the authority to selectively chose when you obey the law? Is there going to be a time in the future when you decide it is OK for you to kill someone, or rape someone because you decide they won't be missed by society or that they deserved it?

It sickens me that people chose to steal and then come up with a really stupid reason for it....it is breaking the law, no matter how you justify it. Musicians who become successful are appreciative (for the most part) for all their supportive fans.....

Being a thief is nothing I would admit to, or even brag about.....stealing is not something that I can overlook in someone. I have no respect for thieves, they are amongst the lowest scum of the earth, in my opinion.

Shame on you for being a thief.

First of all, I have never actually gone into a store and stolen a cd.
Notice the 'heh' in my post... but I'm very glad you decided to call me amonsgt the lowest scum on earth because I joked about stealing a 15 buck cd from a company who makes hundreds of thousands a day.
Thank you.

I've worked on recording, realeasing and marketing cds. I have great respect for musicians, being one by the way.
I dislike it when people steal my music a lot, but I've gotten a whole lot of fans that way.

By the way, do you think buying used cds is stealing from the artist?
They don't get paid again do they?

But on a slightly different topic, if there are laws that suck, break them.
Please shut the f*ck up about me chosing to murder and rape people.
I've been raped as well as been close getting killed, so shut up.

If there's no harm in breaking a law, there's no harm done.
I'm a very peaceful and calm person (unless you call me a piece of shit).
I'm very loving of other people and would never intentionally hurt someone else.
There's a vast difference between being naked in public, smoking weed, getting married and killing and raping.

My reference to stealing was a goddamn joke.
I'm not a bad person.
I play f*cking shows and record cds for free to benifit the homeless, opressed minorities, Invisible Children, etc.

So please, before you know, don't judge.

I don't excpect an apologie but I want you to read this and realize that I'm not the goddamn fag you think I am.

But just so I don't leave sounding mad...

I love you.
No sarcasm.
We cool? :)