convince me to have kids.

[nick]

Ok. So I'm a 24 year old guy. I have no children. I am very seriously considering a vasectomy. I've already done the research and I know all about alternative methods of birth control (to a vasectomy, I mean).

Reasons why I don't, and will never, want to have children:

-I'm selfish.
-I'm irresponsible.
-I don't really love my parents for no particular reason (make a different thread if you want to discuss this)
-One of my brothers, raised by my parents in a very similar manner to the way I was raised, has turned out to be a moron, and a very bad human being.
-My own childhood was a living hell (through no fault of my parents, really, they did their best), and I didn't even have it that bad.
-I just don't like kids.

I know it's possible to get it reversed, but that doesn't always work, especially if you get the vasectomy done at a young age (24 is really young). Finally I'm a big supporter of adoption, because it doesn't contribute to over population, and it can really help a kid out who's life may otherwise be really shitty until they turn 18 (and beyond if things go really badly).

So yeah, play devils advocate here, and convince me to have kids.

[harper]

So yeah, play devils advocate here, and convince me to have kids.

Looks like we don't have to, you already want them. Maybe we should be telling you not to have kids.

[JJuggle]

Sounds to me like you don't want kids and shouldn't have them. Frankly, I know lots of happy people who don't have kids. I know this is not in keeping with the title of this thread, but when has that ever stopped anyone?

[rem48]

Are you married...? if not, wait and ask her.

[nick]

Wow. I've posted this to a few other forums so far, and I really thought that you all would have responses that are leaps and bounds above the rest. Come on, step it up!

And Harper, as a scientist, you should understand the drive to eliminate as much error as possible from any decisions that need to be made. I'm curious as to weather or not anyone comes up with something ground breaking that I haven't heard yet. I've already found a Doctor, close by to me, who's willing to do the surgery on a 24 year old man, with no kids. Also, he charges with a sliding scale, so that I can afford it!

Oh, and no, I'm not married, that would be a pretty big detail to omit. I guess I didn't even think that I'd have to include the fact that I'm happily single in my first post, but on second thought, I should have.

[dudewithasock]

Why should we convince you to have kids if you don't want to? Is someone pressuring you to have kids?

If you need other people to tell you to do something that you claim to not want to do, then I suggest you grow some balls and spread your seed already. :)

[harper]

And Harper, as a scientist, you should understand the drive to eliminate as much error as possible from any decisions that need to be made.

This is not a decision that determines minimum acceptable dielectric strength, radiation exposure risk, acceptable yield strength, or instrument serviceability. You go through life and you choose. Then you hope you have no regrets.

[vanpaun]

Hmmm, why not just wait. Your young, and still adjusting to your body. This is a decision that will affect about 30+years of your life (at this point). Wait at least another 10 years to decide. Some future possible wife could see this as a factor that IS A MAJOR TURNOFF. Most woman will want kids, and want to know you can do that. If you do decide to get a vasectomy, at least visit a sperm bank, you never know what the future holds.

[Conrad.Nguyen]

I'm a fan of the radio show Loveline, and one of the things that one of the hosts (Dr. Drew) said is who you are at 20, is a totally different person than when your 30. I think it's at 28 that you become who you will be for the rest of your life personality wise. Someone called in with a similar situation as yours, and Drew's advice was to just wait, and really think about it.

Good luck whatever you do.

[maestro8]

I posted a similar thread a couple years back... in case you're interested (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53669).

[Chrashing]

diapers and college tuition.

[Phil_on_uni]

diapers and college tuition.

thats supposed to convince?



anyway you got to remember the one kid that you are going to like is going to be your own... I really would recomend finding a lady that felt the same way first before doing anything derastic.


then again, you might be a millionaire playboy for all we know... which in that case, cut those cords and go to town.....

[maestro8]

Some future possible wife could see this as a factor that IS A MAJOR TURNOFF. Most woman will want kids, and want to know you can do that.
...because a 14 year old boy from "Massastupidchussets" who thinks Bush deserves a 3rd term and believes child rape is funny knows what most women want. :rolleyes:

If you do decide to get a vasectomy, at least visit a sperm bank, you never know what the future holds.
I did some research here. You're going to pay several hundred a year to store your sperm, after paying about a grand for processing and testing. The process of "using" your sperm can cost a couple thousand each try, and the success rate is in the 20-30% range. This is an expensive route to go.

[Phil_on_uni]

...because a 14 year old boy from "Massastupidchussets" who thinks Bush deserves a 3rd term and believes child rape is funny knows what most women want. :rolleyes:


I did some research here. You're going to pay several hundred a year to store your sperm, after paying about a grand for processing and testing. The process of "using" your sperm can cost a couple thousand each try, and the success rate is in the 20-30% range. This is an expensive route to go.





oh.......burn

[einrad101]

you should not have to be convinced to have kids.......you either want them or you dont,
but judging from the fact that you posted this i think you do want them, but just dont want to admit it yet, or you just choose to ignore that fact. You just want us to conform the reasons why you should have them, which you already know.

When and if you meet the right girl for you, you might not even need to anybody to convince you, your animal instincts will just take over :p

[Tulsa]

If you don't want kids, don't have any. I have 7 and wish I had more but not everyone wants to be a parent. And there are a lot out there who shouldn't be.

[warlord14]

why would you not want kids i mean what else would you spend 80% of your income on and who else would empty your fridge:confused:

[warlord14]

also even if you don't want kids why would you cut you nuts off just keep it in your pants from now on... or do you have a surgical fetish.:eek:

[oneisenough]

If you truly don't want kids, then you shouldn't have them, b/c that may not be good for the children either. As for the vasectomy, you may want to wait b/c you may meet an amazing woman that will change you opinion on children, and you may want a child to complete the family. But then again you said you support adoption sooooo....:rolleyes:

I know it may sound like I'm arguing with myself, but rather than convince, I'll try to help you see both sides of this decision.:)

[unibikeling]

also even if you don't want kids why would you cut you nuts off just keep it in your pants from now on... or do you have a surgical fetish.:eek:

a vasectomy isn't cutting off your balls, its cutting the tube that allows sperm to get out of the penis. If you cut off your balls, you'd lose testosterone, and would have a lot of physical problems.

[BillyTheMountain]

Sounds to me like you don't want kids and shouldn't have them. Frankly, I know lots of happy people who don't have kids. I know this is not in keeping with the title of this thread, but when has that ever stopped anyone?

about 50% of couples are child-free by choice.

it would be unethical to convince anyone to have kids, when there's already more than we can feed and care for. i like your preference for adoption. then again, you said you were selfish, and there's lots of selfish reasons to have kids (as well as generous reasons).

[unibicibyclibe]

u no wut dood ur jis weerd

[peleschramm]

I think that less people should have kids. It's completely ridiculous that everyone expects everyone to have children. Not only does it drastically contribute to overpopulation, it also has to do with the fact that not everyone can be a good parent. In fact, I think that most parents are quite terrible at being parents (not neccessarily because they don't try to be good parents, they just don't have it in them). I don't think there's anything wrong with not having children and I would recommend not having children to most people. I also think that accidental pregnancies should result in abortion (the reason why not adoption is so that they don't contribute to overpopulation which has become a major issue in the modern world).

Obviously, my advice to you is don't have kids, especially since you are unsure about it.

[wickedbob]

Have like 8 and get welfare!

[Phil_on_uni]

Have like 8 and get welfare!

my god that is the worst idea ever....




well you got to remeber that a persons desire to mare is based on instinct telling us to pass on our geans. i personally thin all unicyclist should have kids so we can grow a massive population of people with incredible balance but that is just me... seriouly though... the idea of overpopulation in america is kinda rediculous.... we only feel it because everyone tries to live in the same place.... Pele you drove to NAUCC ... there is plenty of room, people just need to use it. But of course that doesnt mean people should have kids reclously.
As a person that does not have sex i can only give you my advise on the subject. If you arent hooking up with chicks then there is obviously no need for surgery. But since you are contemplating this i would have to assume that you like them ladies. I would say to hold onto it for at least another year...
who knows if you meet that lucky, kid having, lady in a month or so...


of course there is the agressive approuch:
Have kids or we will kill you


but i dont think we need to take it to that level now, do we?

[vanpaun]

Darn, I really must remember to log in, so I don't see any of mastero's B.S. I mean seriously, get a life, sense of sarcasm, and then come back to these forums. Oh yeah, don't post behind my back you little shlt.

[Catboy]

I'm against abortion, but for killing babies. That way everyone else loses and I win.

Let only the autistic children survive. Supposedly, 1 out of 10 will be idiot savants, which is a far higher probability of intelligence than regular human beings.

Oh, and nick,
Chop your balls off!

[wickedbob]

my god that is the worst idea ever....




well you got to remeber that a persons desire to mare is based on instinct telling us to pass on our geans. i personally thin all unicyclist should have kids so we can grow a massive population of people with incredible balance but that is just me... seriouly though... the idea of overpopulation in america is kinda rediculous.... we only feel it because everyone tries to live in the same place.... Pele you drove to NAUCC ... there is plenty of room, people just need to use it. But of course that doesnt mean people should have kids reclously.
As a person that does not have sex i can only give you my advise on the subject. If you arent hooking up with chicks then there is obviously no need for surgery. But since you are contemplating this i would have to assume that you like them ladies. I would say to hold onto it for at least another year...
who knows if you meet that lucky, kid having, lady in a month or so...


of course there is the agressive approuch:
Have kids or we will kill you


but i dont think we need to take it to that level now, do we?

1- My idea is awesome.

2- I'm pretty sure overpopulation has do with things beyond how much room we have, of course we have the room.

[Phil_on_uni]

all i am saying is that, in comparison to other places in the world, the US has a long ways to go before feeling the squeeze of over population

[wickedbob]

all i am saying is that, in comparison to other places in the world, the US has a long ways to go before feeling the squeeze of over population

That's not the point necessarily. Mainly, from my limited knowledge, overpopulation has to do with the resources available and junk like that.

[skrobo]

you guys are rediculous, and what are you doing posting to a FORUM about something that will affect your personal life from now on?
seriously, that is one of the most rediculous things i've ever seen. i suggest you keep yourself "normal" at least until you get married or grow at least a bit older like others have said...
the only reason i could see you getting a vasectomy now is so that you can be a pornstar, and what good will that be in 10 years when you have every disease in the book and a few that aren't ... with nothing else but a dream of having a significant other in your life.

[wickedbob]

you guys are rediculous, and what are you doing posting to a FORUM about something that will affect your personal life from now on?
seriously, that is one of the most rediculous things i've ever seen. i suggest you keep yourself "normal" at least until you get married or grow at least a bit older like others have said...
the only reason i could see you getting a vasectomy now is so that you can be a pornstar, and what good will that be in 10 years when you have every disease in the book and a few that aren't ... with nothing else but a dream of having a significant other in your life.

Maybe he just doesn't want to have kids by accident. Plus this way you don't have to use a rubber. They ruin everything.:(

[skrobo]

Plus this way you don't have to use a rubber. They ruin everything.:(
except your life... or thats the idea anyways.

[Borges]

A vasectomy is a big decision. Maybe its also the right one.


Reasons why I don't, and will never, want to have children:

-I'm selfish.
-I'm irresponsible.
-I don't really love my parents for no particular reason (make a different thread if you want to discuss this)
-One of my brothers, raised by my parents in a very similar manner to the way
-I just don't like kids.


You're 24 years old now. In another 24 years those things might have changed and you still won't be too old to have children.

[wobbling bear]

can't answer directly your question .. but raising kids is a real challenge and fun!
You'll have to reinvent yourself and you grow wiser because kids provide lot of good advices!
so if you do not want to raise your kids raise those of others!

[daretodream]

Well heres the thing about having children.They send you broke; they demand your attention all the time;you never have any privacy ever again;you loose your own identity and fade into the nothingness of parenthood;Your guaranteed to have interupted sleepless nights for at least the first 10 years of their life (and beyond);Your anxiety and stress levels will rise to unsurpassed heights especially when they are sick,bullied,heartbroken,fighting,depressed,angry etc,etc,etc;they will make you so angry you'll wonder why you ever had them; and they'll hurt you like no other person in the universe can.

Recently my 2 teenage daughters in the space of a week yelled at me how much they hate me and what a terrible mother I am.

Heres the paradox.

I have 4 children aged 11 to 19.Knowing what I know now would I have children.The honest answer is yes.I would die for each and every one of my children.They are all wonderful human beings and unique in their own ways.Ive enjoyed getting to know them as they grow and develop and become the people they are and will be.They make me laugh,they give me hugs and kisses, and they're fun company.They have forced me to be a better person than I probably ever would have been.Being a parent means you have to develop a lot of qualities that also happen to make you a better person such as selflessness,patience,caring,resilience,unending capacity to compromise,forgive,guide and advise and love.

Having children is definately one of the hardest things Ive ever done by far.Its hard work and lots of it.But having children is probably also the ultimate challenge.You get a clean slate with a child.You think you wont make any mistakes like your parents did,you think youll be the perfect parent and your kids will know their loved and have every opportunity in the world to be and do whatever they want to.You think they will all be happy and well adjusted human beings and will find meaningful and fulfilling paths in life filled with love and happiness.So theres the challenge in having children and its one that shouldnt be embarked on lightly.As a unicyclist you probably enjoy challenges.So know that I think having children is the ultimate challenge.

To decide whether or not to have children is a decision that only you or you and your partner in life( should their be one in the future) can make.One day I think I might like to try to do some really big drops on my uni.I wont know for sure whether I will or not till I gain some more skills and experience to make that decision.Get some more skills and experience of life before you make your decision on whether to have kids or not.

[warlord14]

yes i agree with Phil on uni all uniers should have a ton of kids with good balance because we need to build are numbers up then we can start on are way to unicycle domination.:D

[daretodream]

yes i agree with Phil on uni all uniers should have a ton of kids with good balance because we need to build are numbers up then we can start on are way to unicycle domination.:D


ha, thats funny.And I have to say another good reason!:D

[maestro8]

you guys are rediculous,...
I give this post a troll score of about 3/10. You weren't just jumping to conclusions, you were pole-vaulting across chasms of logic to get there.

[maestro8]

But having children is probably also the ultimate challenge.
I beg to differ. Unicycling down Mt. Everest is the ultimate challenge. With the proper reproductive organs, most anyone can pop out a child.

[Bondo]

Nice post from DaretoDream ^^^.

To the OP...You are way to young for this decision. Sometimes the Vasectomies CAN'T be reversed.

If you even 1% unsure...that is enough to put off the procedure till you are older/wiser.

[daretodream]

I beg to differ. Unicycling down Mt. Everest is the ultimate challenge. With the proper reproductive organs, most anyone can pop out a child.


Youve missed the point.Popping out the kids is the easy bit.Doing a half decent job of raising them, thats the challenge!

Oh and dont stop at only doing Everest as the ultimate challenge, you may as well say doing the nine peaks that all the mountaineers do (including Everest) is the ultimate challenge.Why only do one when you can do all?:p

[phthoruth]

if you dont have kids, you wont enjoy the challenge of teaching them to unicycle

[Mikefule]

If I needed to ask a cross section of unicyclists to persuade me one way or the other, deep down I'd know I didn't want kids.

[Joe_sixpack]

Personally, I think more people need to have your attitude. If people would seriously contemplate the responsibility of having children we would have fewer problems in society.

I'm not having children either. When people hear me say that they always say the same thing "you'll change your mind". It's insulting.

Basically I'm telling you to stick to your guns. It's good to see people thinking about things in a responsible manner for once.

-Joe

[patmoore]

All I can tell you is that I had a huge thrill two days ago. My daughter "called" us via webcam from Calgary and showed us our 10 month old grandson taking a few steps down the hall.

You can't have grandkids unless you have kids first.

[surfcolorado]

You have a long time to think about having kids. I had my 1st at 31. I don't want to convince you to have kids, but I would wait to get snipped. You don't know who you will meet and how you will feel in a few years. I would use other protection until your older. I have ponder being fixed, but I have two kids and we are 99% sure we are done, unless something devastating were to happen to one of them.

Peleschram - No over population here, two in, two out

[dunawan]

Well if you are currently single, then couldnt the vesectomy wait?
You might change your mind in the mean time.

[Seager]

There is some information what was left out of the original post.

Firstly, is he married or in a long term relationship? If not, he should be wrapping it up every time anyway - and that would take care of the birth control. There is no point in getting snipped if you are wearing a condom to prevent STD's anyway.

If he IS in a long term relationship and just tired of wearing a condom, using the pill, etc then I think this should be a conversation between him and his significant other. Her opinion matters the most here.

The first post also presented a false dichotomy. He asked us to either convince him to have kids or get a vasectomy. Those aren't his only two choices. I don't plan on having kids but I'm not getting snipped either. Not having a vasectomy leaves his options open for later, it doesn't MAKE him have kids.

(And no, I'm not sure why I wrote this using him in the 3rd person.)

[peleschramm]

my god that is the worst idea ever....




well you got to remeber that a persons desire to mare is based on instinct telling us to pass on our geans. i personally thin all unicyclist should have kids so we can grow a massive population of people with incredible balance but that is just me... seriouly though... the idea of overpopulation in america is kinda rediculous.... we only feel it because everyone tries to live in the same place.... Pele you drove to NAUCC ... there is plenty of room, people just need to use it. But of course that doesnt mean people should have kids reclously.
As a person that does not have sex i can only give you my advise on the subject. If you arent hooking up with chicks then there is obviously no need for surgery. But since you are contemplating this i would have to assume that you like them ladies. I would say to hold onto it for at least another year...
who knows if you meet that lucky, kid having, lady in a month or so...


of course there is the agressive approuch:
Have kids or we will kill you


but i dont think we need to take it to that level now, do we?
It's less about space and more about wasting resources... I realize we have occupied a very very small part of the world, but we are major resource wasters.

[peleschramm]

Peleschram - No over population here, two in, two out
We are already overpopulated. You didn't worsen or better the situation...


I meant to say that the population should get smaller instead of larger. There are simply too many people right now and things would be a whole lot better if our population was cut in half. Now I'm not exactly for going out and killing half the people on our planet, the best way is to just have less children.


Not trying to make you feel bad for being a parent. I can't judge as I know nothing about you and your children. Who knows, maybe you are one of the ones that SHOULD have had children.

[surfcolorado]

We are already overpopulated. You didn't worsen or better the situation...


I meant to say that the population should get smaller instead of larger. There are simply too many people right now and things would be a whole lot better if our population was cut in half. Now I'm not exactly for going out and killing half the people on our planet, the best way is to just have less children.


Not trying to make you feel bad for being a parent. I can't judge as I know nothing about you and your children. Who knows, maybe you are one of the ones that SHOULD have had children.

If everyone started to have two children, the population would go down, not all the children would make it to an age to have children of there own.

Over population is a judgement call. Are we over populated enough a kill species, yes. could we produce enough food for everyone if we wanted, I believe so.

I do not feel bad for being a parent. I believe my children are intellegent and can grow up, to make a difference and be productive members of society.

[nick]

There is some information what was left out of the original post.

Firstly, is he married or in a long term relationship? If not, he should be wrapping it up every time anyway - and that would take care of the birth control. There is no point in getting snipped if you are wearing a condom to prevent STD's anyway.

If he IS in a long term relationship and just tired of wearing a condom, using the pill, etc then I think this should be a conversation between him and his significant other. Her opinion matters the most here.

The first post also presented a false dichotomy. He asked us to either convince him to have kids or get a vasectomy. Those aren't his only two choices. I don't plan on having kids but I'm not getting snipped either. Not having a vasectomy leaves his options open for later, it doesn't MAKE him have kids.

(And no, I'm not sure why I wrote this using him in the 3rd person.)

Not married, and just got out of a long term relationship. Sorry, I answered this in another post on the first page I think, but I should have put it in my original.

No false dichotomy. I'm already convinced that I will never want kids, I want you to convince me otherwise, to see if it's possible. Those are the only two options, have kids, or don't.

Reason for getting one now: I don't ever want kids. I don't ever want to have a girl "oops" me. As in "oops, I'm pregnant, the condom must have broken, but I'm keeping the kid, and now you have to pay child support." I realize there's not a lot of risk of this happening, but if I don't have to take that chance, why would I?

No one's really given me anything all that great yet.

I do live right down the road from this pat moore guy though. We should hang out and ride some time.

[dudewithasock]

Reason for getting one now: I don't ever want kids. I don't ever want to have a girl "oops" me. As in "oops, I'm pregnant, the condom must have broken, but I'm keeping the kid, and now you have to pay child support." I realize there's not a lot of risk of this happening, but if I don't have to take that chance, why would I?

In case you change your mind.

I still don't understand why you want us to change your mind. No one can do that but you.

[Seager]

No false dichotomy. I'm already convinced that I will never want kids, I want you to convince me otherwise, to see if it's possible. Those are the only two options, have kids, or don't.

Reason for getting one now: I don't ever want kids. I don't ever want to have a girl "oops" me. As in "oops, I'm pregnant, the condom must have broken, but I'm keeping the kid, and now you have to pay child support." I realize there's not a lot of risk of this happening, but if I don't have to take that chance, why would I?

Condom effectiveness is roughly 99.98% when used correctly.
Vasectomy effectiveness is roughly 99.85%

(http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/factsheet/fscondom.htm and http://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/vasectomy-14387)

Seems like you might be safer with a condom. That being said, I have busted a condom before, but you sure as heck know when it happens. The feeling goes from from wow to WOW really quick. My wife and I always double up methods just in case, birth control and condom because I don't mind condoms. If you are dating a girl just convince her to use birth control, it's good for most women anyway. Combine that with a condom and you'll be fine.

If you are just picking up women at that bar chances are they'll be on birth control anyway, and of course you'll be wearing a condom. I don't see a reason to snip. If you do break that condom just have her pop an RU-486 pill and she'll be fine. (No, it doesn't kill the baby, it prevents implantation in a similar way to some birth control pills.)

Even if I eventually get snipped (you can't uni or bike for months afterwards!) my wife will probably stay on birth control just in case. I do know people who have gotten pregnant while on birth control, but no one who's gotten pregnant from a broken condom - but it of course happens, just like vasc pregnancies. The only sure way is to make sure you always double up methods or have that emergency RU pill in your bathroom cabinet. At least when a condom breaks you get a warning, with a pill or vasc by the time you know she's pregnant it's too late to pop that pill.

[wickedbob]

Condoms feel bad.

[GILD]

Ok. So I'm a 24 year old guy. I have no children. I am very seriously considering a vasectomy. I've already done the research and I know all about alternative methods of birth control (to a vasectomy, I mean).

Reasons why I don't, and will never, want to have children:

-I'm selfish.
-I'm irresponsible.
-I don't really love my parents for no particular reason (make a different thread if you want to discuss this)
-One of my brothers, raised by my parents in a very similar manner to the way I was raised, has turned out to be a moron, and a very bad human being.
-My own childhood was a living hell (through no fault of my parents, really, they did their best), and I didn't even have it that bad.
-I just don't like kids.

I know it's possible to get it reversed, but that doesn't always work, especially if you get the vasectomy done at a young age (24 is really young). Finally I'm a big supporter of adoption, because it doesn't contribute to over population, and it can really help a kid out who's life may otherwise be really shitty until they turn 18 (and beyond if things go really badly).

So yeah, play devils advocate here, and convince me to have kids.

+1 on (more or less) that whole thing.
You sound like me at that age.
I'm now at this age
<---
and I still feel exactly the same way.

Having children on this planet at this time is akin to renting out rooms in a burning building.

Just say no, Vhemtly (http://www.vhemt.org/).

[Seager]

The movie Idiocracy springs to mind.

[warlord14]

If your going to get a vasectomy then you should get some of your sperm frozen at a sperm bank in case you decide to have kids later in life.

[surfcolorado]

If your going to get a vasectomy then you should get some of your sperm frozen at a sperm bank in case you decide to have kids later in life.


Just a question does a vasectomy stop sperm production or just cut the tubes.

[warlord14]

cuts the the tubes so you can't ejaculate. some times its reversible but as far as i know you can't reverse it most of the time.

[surfcolorado]

but if sperm is still produced, you wouldn't have a freeze some, you could just get some fresh stuff with a needle.

I should have asked "Does cutting the tubes stop sperm production"

[dudewithasock]

cuts the the tubes so you can't ejaculate. some times its reversible but as far as i know you can't reverse it most of the time.

Lol you still ejaculate, it's just spermless.

[warlord14]

ya sorry should have made that a little more clear.:D

[warlord14]

but if sperm is still produced, you wouldn't have a freeze some, you could just get some fresh stuff with a needle.

I should have asked "Does cutting the tubes stop sperm production"

i don't think thats even possible.

[surfcolorado]

FRom mydr.com
Q. Will I still make sperm after my vasectomy?
A. Yes, sperm continue to be made in the testes after a vasectomy. After time, however, production of sperm is often reduced.


From Webmd "Sometimes a doctor can remove sperm from the testicle in men who have had a vasectomy or a reversal that didn't work. The sperm can then be used for in vitro fertilization. Both vasectomy reversal and sperm retrieval can be expensive, may not be covered by insurance, and may not always work."

[critter]

Reasons why I don't, and will never, want to have children:
-I'm selfish.
I think people that have children are selfish.

[dudewithasock]

I find it amusing how many people that don't have children seem very critical of those who do. :)

[warlord14]

FRom mydr.com
Q. Will I still make sperm after my vasectomy?
A. Yes, sperm continue to be made in the testes after a vasectomy. After time, however, production of sperm is often reduced.


From Webmd "Sometimes a doctor can remove sperm from the testicle in men who have had a vasectomy or a reversal that didn't work. The sperm can then be used for in vitro fertilization. Both vasectomy reversal and sperm retrieval can be expensive, may not be covered by insurance, and may not always work."

Did not know that.

[evil-nick]

If you don't want kids, don't have any. I have 7 and wish I had more but not everyone wants to be a parent. And there are a lot out there who shouldn't be.

7 kids? Wow! How do you fit them in that Smart Car? Are you a family of clowns? Or is fitting lots of people into a tiny car an extreme sport in and of itself, I have no imagination/originality, and lots of people in a small cars isn't just for the circus anymore? :D

[BillyTheMountain]

I find it amusing how many people that don't have children seem very critical of those who do. :)

and people who don't have affairs seem very critical of those who do. it's all very amusing to someone like you.

[dudewithasock]

and people who don't have affairs seem very critical of those who do. it's all very amusing to someone like you.

Apples and carrots, William. Having an affair is not an innate human biological capacity, it's a process that we invented.

[BillyTheMountain]

Apples and carrots, William. Having an affair is not an innate human biological capacity, it's a process that we invented.

i wasn't thinking of it that way when i wrote, but now that you mention it, it is the same innate biological human activity.

it's just that most of us exert some degree of control over our biology. when we do this we don't have affairs or children, or at least not so many.

[dudewithasock]

You know, you bring up a fine point...I guess the only reason having an affair is more taboo than having children in most societies is because society made it that way. Nature couldn't care less who you fuck or how often you reproduce.

I don't really care if anyone has kids or not, though I do look down on those who have had affairs. Why? Hell if I know, I guess it's some sort of common human bond I share with people that makes me sympathize with those who have been hurt due to affairs.

[BillyTheMountain]

You know, you bring up a fine point...I guess the only reason having an affair is more taboo than having children in most societies is because society made it that way. Nature couldn't care less who you fuck or how often you reproduce.

I don't really care if anyone has kids or not, though I do look down on those who have had affairs. Why? Hell if I know, I guess it's some sort of common human bond I share with people that makes me sympathize with those who have been hurt due to affairs.

that's because you don't look at the husband who inadvertently pushed his wife into the arms of another man.

he always manages to look so blameless and perfect.