Thread for unicyclists from other nations to applaud the USA

[BillyTheMountain]

The USA is the envy of the world, and whenever I meet people from other nations, they use the opportunity to express how great the USA is, and how much they love the USA and envy the USA as the world's greatest democracy and superpower.

It must be very hard for others who don't get to meet people from the USA, who are holding in all these positive feelings toward the USA, so I thought we'd create a thread for you to let it out and express yourselves.

We know the answer, but the question you are all dying to answer that the USA is asking is: Why do they love us so much?

[AEV D.]

i´ve never been to USA so i can´t say it´s better or worse than germany or other countries..
for me the USA is just an other big country with much industry. they helped us (germany) after the 2nd world war. all in all i like all countries same as mine..they are different i like some differences some i don´t but i think you can never say USA is better than all of the others because you´ll never been to all countries. :)

[hobo_chuck]

i´ve never been to USA so i can´t say it´s better or worse than germany or other countries..
for me the USA is just an other big country with much industry. they helped us (germany) after the 2nd world war. all in all i like all countries same as mine..they are different i like some differences some i don´t but i think you can never say USA is better than all of the others because you´ll never been to all countries. :)
I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic ;)

[AEV D.]

me, too..but it doesn´t matter..sometimes i´m sarcastic, too :)

[JJuggle]

I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic ;)
And derivative.

[Adder172]

i´ve never been to USA so i can´t say it´s better or worse than germany or other countries..
for me the USA is just an other big country with much industry. they helped us (germany) after the 2nd world war. all in all i like all countries same as mine..they are different i like some differences some i don´t but i think you can never say USA is better than all of the others because you´ll never been to all countries. :)

yea i can not actually say if a country is actually better than the rest

i do not agree that the USA is better...

[BillyTheMountain]

The USA is the envy of the world, and whenever I meet people from other nations, they use the opportunity to express how great the USA is, and how much they love the USA and envy the USA as the world's greatest democracy and superpower.

It must be very hard for others who don't get to meet people from the USA, who are holding in all these positive feelings toward the USA, so I thought we'd create a thread for you to let it out and express yourselves.

We know the answer, but the question you are all dying to answer that the USA is asking is: Why do they love us so much?

No one has correctly understood the point of this thread. I'm looking for applause for the USA. Don't hold back! Don't THINK so much! Just let your love show!

[AEV D.]

i´m always thinking a lot...XD


but ok..applause to mc donalds :D:D:D

[critter]

No one has correctly understood the point of this thread. I'm looking for applause for the USA. Don't hold back! Don't THINK so much! Just let your love show!

Not that Billy is bragging but:p:p :p
Is this thread for USA lovers only? (Who are the non-americas that appreciate the USA? and what do they say?)


Oh I love it:o but I'm from here

[Danni]

I applause the citizens who voted for bush!
TWICE!
I applause for the war, saving all those innocent people (but wait, weapons of mass destruction anywhere?)

USA, USA!!! Yayyyyyy

[mornish]

I applause the citizens who voted for bush!
TWICE!
I applause for the war, saving all those innocent people (but wait, weapons of mass destruction anywhere?)

USA, USA!!! Yayyyyyy

Thanks!

Aren't we just amazing?

go us.

[kington99]

Thanks!

Aren't we just amazing?

go us.


not you son, you're too young to vote

[1-wheeled-grape]

Hahaha well said Dave! I like the US because they make mountain dew :D and have cool people there! However I don't like the US because of the pointless war that our soldiers are dieing in, at least 7 from my town, my friends dads and relatives... for that I am not happy :mad:

No applaud from me (except to all the cool unicyclists over the big pond!)

[Axi]

I have liven in Finland since I born. Never seen real US lovers, exept tourists, who come from US. In fact there is very anti-USA feelings.
Every time when someone is killed with gun, peoples talk about how we are going to the US-procedure. To peoples the US-procedure is like armageddon what is coming, but nobody wants it. Added to there is myth that US people are stupid or less intelligent than other peoples. I dont know why peoples dont like US, maybe is becouse warlike politics or your free gun laws, but there is no real US love.

[yoopers]

I have liven in Finland since I born. Never seen real US lovers, exept tourists, who come from US. In fact there is very anti-USA feelings.
Every time when someone is killed with gun, peoples talk about how we are going to the US-procedure. To peoples the US-procedure is like armageddon what is coming, but nobody wants it. Added to there is myth that US people are stupid or less intelligent than other peoples. I dont know why peoples dont like US, maybe is becouse warlike politics or your free gun laws, but there is no real US love.
Now this is a great post! Thanks Axi. Although the tone in the post is negative, it is honest, educational, and focused the United States, not a political rant against the president, the war, or other issues as in previous posts in this thread. I have never been off the North American continent and so don't have a real sense of how other cultures throughout the world view the U.S. so I appreciate Axi's input.

Secondly, I sincerely doubt this sort of education was BTM's original intent for this thread as his two posts so far have typical instigation written all over them. But thanks BTM for the unintentional opportunity to learn.

[kington99]

I have never been off the North American continent and so don't have a real sense of how other cultures throughout the world view the U.S.



I'm sorry to break it, but genreally they don't like you.

[yoopers]

I'm sorry to break it, but genreally they don't like you.
I get that sense. It's good info to have if I ever travel globally. :)

[1-wheeled-grape]

That would somehow put me off too, but it isn't you that they don't like is it? It's the gun culture and crimes, as well as the people who commit those crimes. Unless you are one of them you are ok.

[kington99]

I get that sense. It's good info to have if I ever travel globally. :)


yes, your uncle Sam star-and-stripes suit might be best left at home :)

[Axi]

"Although the tone in the post is negative"

I am not sure do you mean that, but I dont want any misunderstandings.
I dont personally hate US and I dont think that US peoples are less intelligent than others. In fact I`m planing to move US oneday. And thanks for admire.:)

[AlanChambers]

focused the United States, not a political rant against the president, the war, or other issues as in previous posts in this thread.

Well, to be fair, those are exactly the issues that most critics have with the US. All of the ordinary Americans I've met have been fine people.

Some people resent the juggernaut of US TV, films, popular culture, etc. which seems to be swamping their own (but that juggernaut only exists because all things American are generally popular). And certain aspects of American life seem barmy to others such as excessive religiosity, creationism, alien abduction and guns. But then, all foreign cultures are weird, I suppose.

The US as a political entity is perceived as a dangerously arrogant and hypocritical bully. This is in my view entirely justified. If the US really wanted to do just one thing to greatly improve its image, it would become an honest broker in the Middle East. This seems unlikely in the foreseeable future.

I have never been off the North American continent.

The beer is good here, and we have a guest bedroom. Wheel optional.


Al

[AEV D.]

I'm sorry to break it, but genreally they don't like you.

what??? don´t like north america??? maybe the ones in south america but over here in germany lots of students like it more to go to the north than to the south..or did i understood in a wrong way? XD

[JJuggle]

If the US really wanted to do just one thing to greatly improve its image, it would become an honest broker in the Middle East. This seems unlikely in the foreseeable future.
Wiktionary has this term in the category, Oxymorons. I'm inclined to agree. I first heard this used by Madeleine Albright who famously replied to the question of whether 500,000 dead Iraqi children was an acceptable outcome of the U.S. embargo against that country, that is was.

[kington99]

what??? don´t like north america??? maybe the ones in south america but over here in germany lots of students like it more to go to the north than to the south..or did i understood in a wrong way? XD

oh people like going there, they just don't like the persona and behaviour of America as a nation.

[AlanChambers]

Wiktionary has this term in the category, Oxymorons. I'm inclined to agree. I first heard this used by Madeleine Albright who famously replied to the question of whether 500,000 dead Iraqi children was an acceptable outcome of the U.S. embargo against that country, that is was.

Yes. Charming lady. She should have been given to the Iraqis: delivered from 35,000 feet.

[AEV D.]

oh people like going there, they just don't like the persona and behaviour of America as a nation.

not as i know..they like america as a nation, too but more going into the north than south :)

[BillyTheMountain]

One point of this thread is:

If you can't say anything nice about the USA, don't say anything at all.

[AlanChambers]

If you can't say anything nice about the USA, don't say anything at all.

My mother attempted to instill this attitude in me, while also teaching me that all it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to remain silent. The resulting cognitive dissonance was palpable.


Al

[BillyTheMountain]

My mother attempted to instill this attitude in me, while also teaching me that all it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to remain silent. The resulting cognitive dissonance was palpable.


Al


One thing that applies to both:

There's a time and a place for that.

This is the place for applause. Let it out. Don't hold back.

[Napoleon]

My opinion about USA is that it is a superpower, that it's president with his wars kill innocent children and people in irak and afganistan so that they become richier and richier. I personally believe that USA is not a such democratic country, since i have heard that strikes are illegal! The president says that in Irak, he saves the people. How? By killing them? The insurance system in America, doesn' t even exist! All these are not from my mind, i have seen many documentaries as well as Michael Moore's. I am not talking of course for every american person, but for the general situation. Well, that's my opinion.. Oh, and please these words are not aggressive, i just say my opinion...

[critter]

One thing that applies to both:

There's a time and a place for that.

This is the place for applause. Let it out. Don't hold back.

Don't think it's going to work, BTM

[yoopers]

My opinion about USA is that it is a superpower, that it's president with his wars kill innocent children and people in irak and afganistan so that they become richier and richier. I personally believe that USA is not a such democratic country, since i have heard that strikes are illegal! The president says that in Irak, he saves the people. How? By killing them? The insurance system in America, doesn' t even exist! All these are not from my mind, i have seen many documentaries as well as Michael Moore's. I am not talking of course for every american person, but for the general situation. Well, that's my opinion.. Oh, and please these words are not aggressive, i just say my opinion...
Napoleon,

Please tell us where you live.

Thanks.

[Napoleon]

I live in Athens, Greece...

[JJuggle]

My opinion about USA is that it is a superpower, that it's president with his wars kill innocent children and people in irak and afganistan so that they become richier and richier. I personally believe that USA is not a such democratic country, since i have heard that strikes are illegal! The president says that in Irak, he saves the people. How? By killing them? The insurance system in America, doesn' t even exist! All these are not from my mind, i have seen many documentaries as well as Michael Moore's. I am not talking of course for every american person, but for the general situation. Well, that's my opinion.. Oh, and please these words are not aggressive, i just say my opinion...
Napoleon, all of your opinions are debatable as opinions are wont to be. Two are, strictly speaking, flat out false. Unions exist in the U.S. and, for the most part, strikes are not illegal. And we do have health insurance. In the past 30 or 40 years very few people have died or been imprisoned for striking. I do wish I could say the same were true for lack of insurance.

[yoopers]

Another great educational post. Thanks, Napoleon. By the overall tone of your post, you stated facts as you have understood them from your sources. It's interesting how word gets around, somewhat like the old game where a whisper one ear changes by the time it's re-whispered down the line.

Are strikes illegal in Greece and is health insurance hard to come by there?

To add to JJuggle's post, I also wouldn't put much truth stock in what Michael Moore puts out. He can be a bit skewed at times.

[Seager]

Maybe part of why we get such a bad wrap is because of people making threads like these? Not all Americans are arrogant. I love this country, but feel no need to brag about it.

[glen]

Maybe part of why we get such a bad wrap is because of people making threads like these?

It definitely doesn't help.

For what it's worth, I'm doing my best to keep my mouth shut on this one.
It's really hard.

[critter]

All these are not from my mind, i have seen many documentaries as well as Michael Moore's. i just say my opinion...

Thank you Michael Moore! NOT! Moore has about as much credibility as Don King(a criminal boxing promoter). He cares alright; cares 'bout making money at any cost. A true american sell out that loves the limelight.

edit: He complains with his slant but never has solutions

[Napoleon]

Another great educational post. Thanks, Napoleon. By the overall tone of your post, you stated facts as you have understood them from your sources.

And they are really many, not only by Michael Moore, from some Greek journalists, and by my thoughts. I don't accept everything i hear... I also read that Micahel Moore don't give solutions. If someone watched carefully his documentaries, he would have already given solutions by himself as moore just wants to make you think about some things... I don' t say all these things because i think USA is an enemy to Greece, i have MANY bad things to tell you for Greece as well... In USA i think that the companies who sell guns (blackwater) and oil (shell) have an influence on the politics. That's why they do these wars, and the price of each barrel with oil is really ridiculous.

Thank you yoopers. Well, thats my opinion, and i know that i may have many mistakes in my thoughts since i am only 14 years old.

[yoopers]

I don't accept everything i hear
In USA i think that the companies who sell guns (blackwater) and oil (shell) have an influence on the politics. That's why they do these wars
I would encourage you to mix these two thoughts together and see if anything new comes out of it.

[Linusk]

I love the US! Because.. well, because.. it's.. great. You have all the great sitcoms :D And your music rocks.. I've been to the us and I really liked it. My idea about the people is that they're very friendly ;)

[AlanChambers]

I would encourage you to mix these two thoughts together and see if anything new comes out of it.

You don't sound at all patronising.

Perhaps you could explain how the President (a failed oil executive), the Vice President (a successful oil executive) and the Secretary of State (another oil executive) strive to prevent oil interests affecting politics. I'm certain that Napoleon would be fascinated to know how, coincidentally, Halliburton (the oil company for whom the VP worked) managed to acquire a gigantic no-bid contract in Iraq.

Perhaps you could also explain to Napoleon why the United States of Denial protected the oil ministry and little else when it took Baghdad. Or just why it went to Iraq in the first place, since all the justifications given were lies.


Al

[cathwood]

Some people resent the juggernaut of US TV, films, popular culture, etc. which seems to be swamping their own (but that juggernaut only exists because all things American are generally popular).
Al

Interesting and seems to contradict the centiment that things American/Americans aren't popular.

I personally was always impressed by the way the nursing community imported things that had been tried unsuccessfully in America. It was almost like everything American was better than British, even the failed stuff. Bizzare, but I suppose I can't blame Americans for that.

For myself, I just have a general sense that America is a country of extremes, especally in relation to us Brits.

[Napoleon]

Thank you AlanChambers, great post. If someone is questioning what AlanChambers said, please watch Michael Moore's documentaries where he has proved it. I would also like to say that the USA government tries to make american people think that every person there can harm them, so that they buy a gun amd make money. Why do you think they made the war in Vietnam? Well, all in all i think that instead of applauding them, we should all think about these facts and try to improve our world.






POSTSCRIPT:1)Please, don't let propaganda affect your way of thinking...
2)Forgive me for the use of the language, i am from Greece...

[pdc]

OK, OK I know i'm from this nation but.....it's by someone from another nation.

This is a little dated (1973) but still relavent. Gordon Sinclair appauded the US -


"The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French, and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971, and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous, and possibly the least-appreciated, people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtze. Well who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did, that's who.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges, and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan, and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. And I was there -- I saw that. When distant cities are hit by earthquake, it is the United States that hurries into help, Managua, Nicaragua, is one of the most recent examples.

So far this spring, fifty-nine American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan, the Truman Policy, all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. And now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, war-mongering Americans.

Now, I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on now, you, let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar, or the Douglas 10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or a women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times, and, safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They're right here on our streets in Toronto. Most of them, unless they're breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend up here.

When the Americans get out of this bind -- as they will -- who could blame them if they said "the hell with the rest of the world." Let somebody else buy the Israel bonds. Let somebody else build or repair foreign dams, or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes." When the railways of France, and Germany, and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both of 'em are still broke.

I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name to me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They'll come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they're entitled to thumb their noses at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians.

And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters -- with the year less than half-over -- has taken it all. And nobody, but nobody, has helped."

The USA does deserve a few pats on the back.

You can listen to it here - http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gordonsinclairtheamericans.htm

[mornish]

OK, OK I know i'm from this nation but.....it's by someone from another nation.

This is a little dated (1973) but still relavent. Gordon Sinclair appauded the US -


"The United States dollar took another pounding on German, French, and British exchanges this morning, hitting the lowest point ever known in West Germany. It has declined there by 41% since 1971, and this Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous, and possibly the least-appreciated, people in all the earth.

As long as sixty years ago, when I first started to read newspapers, I read of floods on the Yellow River and the Yangtze. Well who rushed in with men and money to help? The Americans did, that's who.

They have helped control floods on the Nile, the Amazon, the Ganges, and the Niger. Today, the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan, and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. And I was there -- I saw that. When distant cities are hit by earthquake, it is the United States that hurries into help, Managua, Nicaragua, is one of the most recent examples.

So far this spring, fifty-nine American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

The Marshall Plan, the Truman Policy, all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. And now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, war-mongering Americans.

Now, I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

Come on now, you, let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar, or the Douglas 10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or a women on the moon?

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times, and, safely home again. You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at. Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They're right here on our streets in Toronto. Most of them, unless they're breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend up here.

When the Americans get out of this bind -- as they will -- who could blame them if they said "the hell with the rest of the world." Let somebody else buy the Israel bonds. Let somebody else build or repair foreign dams, or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes." When the railways of France, and Germany, and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both of 'em are still broke.

I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name to me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They'll come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they're entitled to thumb their noses at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians.

And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke.

This year's disasters -- with the year less than half-over -- has taken it all. And nobody, but nobody, has helped."

The USA does deserve a few pats on the back.

You can listen to it here - http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gordonsinclairtheamericans.htm

I think that a lot of that has changed though.

Right now, the U.S. seems to put other countries ahead of itself, and it has been making horrible decisions.

We are spending money as if it is coming from trees, to help rebuild places that we are in the middle of bombing to fight a freaking WAR to get rid of WARS.

The united states is pretty much crumbling. We are almost 10 trillion dollars in debt, and New Orleans is a perfected example of how much our government cares about us. The Canadian Mounted Patrol (if I remembered the name correctly) came to help out the city before we did, and then multiple countries offered their help, and we refused them. The dollar is weaker than it has ever been, and it is getting weaker still. Because Oil companies pretty much own the government the places that are developed the technologies of the future aren't in the US, and so it will be them who start the next age. All this because of rigged voting polls 8 years ago too.

meh, I'm going to go to sleep, I leave for Paris early tomorrow morning.

I've probably got some of my facts messed up too as well, but oh well. Night night peoples.

[BillyTheMountain]

I love the US! Because.. well, because.. it's.. great. You have all the great sitcoms :D And your music rocks.. I've been to the us and I really liked it. My idea about the people is that they're very friendly ;)

Napoleon, all of your opinions are debatable as opinions are wont to be. Two are, strictly speaking, flat out false. Unions exist in the U.S. and, for the most part, strikes are not illegal. And we do have health insurance. In the past 30 or 40 years very few people have died or been imprisoned for striking.

Raphael, Linusk and PDC,

WRITTEN IN THE TRUE SPIRIT OF THIS THREAD!

Thanks!

Billy

PS While Michael Moore is credible, these are complex issues, and he has no place in this thread.

[Seager]

He's not THAT credible.

I spent a weekend with him once. Good guy, but sometimes sacrifices facts for sensationalism. It's only because he cares so much about his issues - but sometimes he shoots himself in the foot by exagerating evidence and using fallacies when there are enough perfectly credible arguments he could use instead.

[harper]

Good guy, but sometimes sacrifices facts for sensationalism.

Sometimes?

[Seager]

Sometimes?

Yep, sometimes. His movies have gotten crazier as he's made more of them. Watch Roger and Me, it's a lot less sensational than his later movies like fahrenheit 911. Not everything he did on his Awful Truth TV series was that bad either.

[harper]

Yep, sometimes. His movies have gotten crazier as he's made more of them. Watch Roger and Me, it's a lot less sensational than his later movies like fahrenheit 911. Not everything he did on his Awful Truth TV series was that bad either.

I saw Roger and Me when it first came out. I ask again, "sometimes?" Michael Moore is the flip-side of Rush Limbaugh. They are both entertainers, not sources of accurate information.

[Seager]

I saw Roger and Me when it first came out. I ask again, "sometimes?" Michael Moore is the flip-side of Rush Limbaugh. They are both entertainers, not sources of accurate information.

I'd go with maybe the flip side of Bill O'Rielly. If real information is a 5 on a scale of 1-10, with 1 being liberal BS and 10 being conservative BS, I'd put Rush at a 10 (using him as a level setter) and then O'Rielly at a 7, Early Moore at a 3, and later Moore getting pretty near a 1. Super crazy conservatives like Michael Savage would be off the scale, of course. Hannity and Coulter would also sit right around a 10 as well.

Even the super crazy conservative sometimes give you accurate information, although it may be by accident.

[pdc]

Come on you fureners, don't hold back!

[MuniAddict]

The Democrat-controlled Congress, headed by Pelosi :eek:, their approval rating is the lowest in the history of polling! 9%!!! That makes Bush's 30% seem huge by comparison! :rolleyes:

Now all we need is Lib President (Either candidate pretty much fits that bill, but Barrak Hussein is the most liberal senator there is, by a long shot!) to get that "respectable" 30% back down 21 points, to the level of congress, so at least they'll have consitency!:rolleyes:

[BillyTheMountain]

Come on you fureners, don't hold back!

Thanks for trying to end that annoying threadjack. :)

[Seager]

Now all we need is Lib President (Either candidate pretty much fits that bill, but Barrak Hussein is the most liberal senator there is, by a long shot!)

Are you in the habit of replacing people's last name with their middle name? Or do you only do that when trying to discredit people? Maybe you could call him "Osama, oops, I mean Obama," when you refer to him. That'd be even subtler.

And there are way more liberal senators, like Kucinich, for instance.

[MuniAddict]

And there are way more liberal senators, like Kucinich, for instance.Nope. Osama...oops, I mean Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqtKR_BrELU)(;)) has the #1 most liberal voting record in the senate.

[JJuggle]

Nope. Osama..whoops, Obama (;)) has the most liberal voting record in the senate.
According to whom?

[MuniAddict]

According to whom?It's been a commonly known fact for quite some time to everybody who follows news. Even Liberal NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/01/obama_ranked_most_liberal_sena_1.html) reported it.
(http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/01/obama_ranked_most_liberal_sena_1.html)

[Adder172]

Why do they love us so much?



We don't

[JJuggle]

It's been a commonly known fact for quite some time to everybody who follows news. Even Liberal NPR (http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/01/obama_ranked_most_liberal_sena_1.html) reported it.
(http://www.npr.org/blogs/news/2008/01/obama_ranked_most_liberal_sena_1.html)
I'm think there's a slight in there, but thanks. :)

[Bondo]

FWIW:

"Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate."
Nat'l Journal

http://nationaljournal.com/img/njgraphics/080131_voteratings.gif

In other news:
Sounds like Obama is headin to Iraq.
After this nasty campaign; I think he is going to Iraq just for the peace and quiet.
:)

[critter]

We don't

really? nothing?

[Seager]

Chart

Maybe in 2007 then, but a jump from 16th two years ago. As opposed to a long standing liberal like Kucinich (http://kucinich.us/) who's border line socialist. Ranking first one year doesn't not make you the most liberal overall, it just makes you the most liberal for that year.

What does it tell you when the Dem winner is a heavy liberal and the Reps winner is one of the most liberal republicans you can find? Both parties voted for those people over more conservative options. Paradigm shift, anyone?

Notably, Kucinich ran again this year (like he did in 2004) and was beaten by the more conservative option both times. He'd do better in the green party (but I still love him anyway.)

[pdc]

Sorry, I thought i was in the applaud the USA thread.

[caudy]

I went to new york this year on an art trip to see all ther major galleries and I have to say that it was awesome in every way. It's the best place Iv'e ever been. The gugenheim was my favorite place to see art.

Although I liked it I much prefer living in the uk.

I wouldn't say that the U.S.A is better than other countries. It just has some good aspects, like many other countries.

[Seager]

Sorry, I thought i was in the applaud the USA thread.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for a thread that is the essence of flamebait to stay on topic.

[adjuggler]

My opinion about USA is that it is a superpower, that it's president with his wars kill innocent children and people in irak and afganistan so that they become richier and richier. I personally believe that USA is not a such democratic country, since i have heard that strikes are illegal! The president says that in Irak, he saves the people. How? By killing them? The insurance system in America, doesn' t even exist! All these are not from my mind, i have seen many documentaries as well as Michael Moore's. I am not talking of course for every american person, but for the general situation. Well, that's my opinion.. Oh, and please these words are not aggressive, i just say my opinion...
Yes, definitly quote Michael Moore when talking to Americans about their country. :rolleyes:

[BillyTheMountain]

Yes, definitly quote Michael Moore when talking to Americans about their country. :rolleyes:

he's a great american patriot.

dissent is patriotic.

it's just another great thing about america, another thing people around the world admire about the usa.

in china, dissenters are jailed and tortured.

[BillyTheMountain]

I went to new york this year on an art trip to see all ther major galleries and I have to say that it was awesome in every way. It's the best place Iv'e ever been. The gugenheim was my favorite place to see art.

The U.S.A is better than other countries!!!

If you're ever in Washington DC, the Smithsonian is HUGE--its many different art and other museums--and its always FREE!

[JJuggle]

he's a great american patriot.

dissent is patriotic.

it's just another great thing about america, another thing people around the world admire about the usa.

in china, dissenters are jailed and tortured.
In regard to Michael Moore whose politics I share but whose methods I'm not always in agreement with, yesterday's - repeat - episode of House (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1136646/) was amusing. The team is dealing with a case of a young boy whose face and head are deformed and there is a camera crew making a documentary about him. In the end with editing House comes off looking like a pleasant, caring person and his quip is that he'll never look at Michael Moore documentaries the same way.

Of course, I agree with BTM's sentiments and, of course, the same could be said of anyone's documentaries. But I got a chuckle out of it.

[wobbling bear]

I feel that "national-things" are fading away and that the world is more and more becoming a maze of subcultures (nothing negative here: I mean that in most countries you can now find people with special interests -such as unicycling!-)
So the "U.S" is a great source of ideas, inspirations, fads (or whatever you may call these) for many of the world's sub-cultures.

[BillyTheMountain]

I feel that "national-things" are fading away and that the world is more and more becoming a maze of subcultures (nothing negative here: I mean that in most countries you can now find people with special interests -such as unicycling!-)
So the "U.S" is a great source of ideas, inspirations, fads (or whatever you may call these) for many of the world's sub-cultures.

and the USA will save France again, if you need saving again.

[wobbling bear]

and the USA will save France again, if you need saving again.
I suspect a private joke .... but unable to pinpoint it:D
(my posting was damn serious: I really think that ....the US is a major source of cultural trends ... though some consequences happen to be funny.)

[BillyTheMountain]

I suspect a private joke .... but unable to pinpoint it:D
(my posting was damn serious: I really think that ....the US is a major source of cultural trends ... though some consequences happen to be funny.)

I'm referring to something that happened in your nation shortly before you were born.

If you lived in the USA where the history books were not censored, you'd know about it. It was called WW II, when the USA saved the world.

[wobbling bear]

If you lived in the USA where the history books were not censored, you'd know about it.
"were not" ... do you mean that they are now? :rolleyes:

[Borges]

I'm referring to something that happened in your nation shortly before you were born.

If you lived in the USA where the history books were not censored, you'd know about it. It was called WW II, when the USA saved the world.

So it's Frances turn next. Right?

French involvement proved decisive, with a French naval victory in the Chesapeake leading to the surrender of a second British army at Yorktown in 1781. In 1783, the Treaty of Paris ended the war and recognized the sovereignty of the United States over the territory bounded by what is now Canada to the north, Florida to the south, and the Mississippi River to the west.

[Ben_Ceyssens]

I've been on holiday there (visited the grand canyon, las vegas, ...). I must say it was the coolest trip ever, just because everything is so different than in Belgium ^^ (like eating waffles in the morning xD). But I also think Americans don't care much about the rest of the world..

[UniBrier]

(visited the grand canyon, las vegas, ...). everything is so different than in Belgium What a coincidence! We went to the Grand Canyon, Las Vegas, Zion, & Bryce last year and Belgium this year! Everything is different! When is Belgium going to dig its Grand Canyon! Our only regret was we didn't try out Ice Mountain.

[thejdw]

The USA's goverment sucks,america issn't all that great, many of the people are stupid and ignorent. The UK is better, end of :cool:

[harper]

The USA's goverment sucks,america issn't all that great, many of the people are stupid and ignorent. The UK is better, end of

I believe that this statement stands on its own as evidence.

[thejdw]

I believe that this statement stands on its own as evidence.
its truth enough for quit a few brits i can asure you ;)

[pedrotejada]

Here we have some good impressions about USA but we have some bad too...

We saw on the TV the war, no one likes wars. Killing people is a shame.

We saw that some people had some difficults after Katrina. I think that isn't something fair, spending milions of dollars in a war in the other side of the world, while you have people needing help in your contry.

The biggest part of my friends like to visit Disney World and to travel in USA, but since 2001 they prefer to study in Canada then in USA.

Here guns are ilegal, and I can't see why in a country with a great police and army, citizens need guns. (Exept for sports that uses guns).

I think that USA is a great example for other countrys in some ways, but they need to improve too... There are many things to change in my opinion. Heart problems and obesity are big problems. The health of citizen isn't really good.

Everything that I'm saying I saw on the TV, Documentaries (Michael Moore) and magazines. Maybe I'm saying wrong things, but I'm pretty sure that I said some truths...

Sorry about my english... maybe I can't express my self so good...

[wobbling bear]

But I also think Americans don't care much about the rest of the world..
everywhere in the world you will find people unable to look above their fence!
The good news is , as most other people in the world, more americans are aware of the world at large (and the reverse is true: more and more people are finding interesting things in the US).
So, though the "citizen of the world" is not going to happen any time soon, global , but differentiated, cultures are going in every direction.
So the "ugly American" is an image for folklore (just like the german in lederhose, or the woman-chasing frenchman with his loaf of bread and glass of wine).

[cathwood]

I went to a talk today about the American health system. Apparantly the USA has a higher rate of infant mortality than any country in Western Europe.

[JJuggle]

I went to a talk today about the American health system. Apparantly the USA has a higher rate of infant mortality than any country in Western Europe.
Yeah, but the infants who survive have more and nicer looking onesies than Western European infants.

[BillyTheMountain]

I went to a talk today about the American health system. Apparantly the USA has a higher rate of infant mortality than any country in Western Europe.


Cathy,

I thought you of all people would know that so many American infants dying, at a higher rate than any country in Western Europe, is nothing to be proud of.

Perhaps you misunderstood the title of this thread.

Or must I teach you what kinds of things we would like to "applaud?"

Love, billy

[cathwood]

Yeah, but the infants who survive have more and nicer looking onesies than Western European infants.

I feel bad. I laughed. :o

[cathwood]

Cathy,

I thought you of all people would know that so many American infants dying, at a higher rate than any country in Western Europe, is nothing to be proud of.

Perhaps you misunderstood the title of this thread.

Or must I teach you what kinds of things we would like to "applaud?"

Love, billy

Sorry Billy,

I forgot to say that the following talk was all about infection control where we are doing loads of stuff that emulates what you are doing over there.

It was very strange considering the preceeding talk.

[glen]

The good news is , as most other people in the world, more americans are aware of the world at large
That is simply false, and I refute it thus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ly7Btx0Stg)

[critter]

I went to a talk today about the American health system. Apparantly the USA has a higher rate of infant mortality than any country in Western Europe.

Poor american babies. what's the reason?

The babies that make it will go on and win more gold medals than any other country in the Olympics.:p 08-08-08

[cathwood]

Poor american babies. what's the reason?



Your health care system is failing poor people and ethnic minorities.

[thejdw]

Perhaps you misunderstood the title of this thread.

Or must I teach you what kinds of things we would like to "applaud?"

We can applaud your vanity as you as an american started the thread, no other nationality has yet started a thread with a title basicaly saying; "come and talk about how great we are".

[BillyTheMountain]

Your health care system is failing poor people and ethnic minorities.

I acknowledge that you were seduced into maintaining this threadjack, but this really belongs in ANOTHER thread, i think you know that.....

[Axi]

I acknowledge that you were seduced into maintaining this threadjack, but this really belongs in ANOTHER thread, i think you know that.....

What did you exepted when you started this thread? Did you really think that we would just applaud USA and let you think that we love you?:mad:

[BillyTheMountain]

What did you exepted when you started this thread? Did you really think that we would just applaud USA and let you think that we love you?:mad:

You can start the thread called: "Thread for those ungrateful people incapable of applauding the USA for everything the USA has done for the world."

[pdc]

You can start the thread called: "Thread for those ungrateful people incapable of applauding the USA for everything the USA has done for the world."

Ahm Laffin' hea.

[Axi]

You can start the thread called: "Thread for those ungrateful people incapable of applauding the USA for everything the USA has done for the world."

Dont mean to be ungrateful,:o but I wanted to say that we here outside USA dont really love you. USA is very good country, it´s democraty and it has made many good things in history, but I dont really like your first post in here. We are not, just sad peoples who failed to get greencard.:mad:

[yoopers]

Dont mean to be ungrateful,:o but I wanted to say that we here outside USA dont really love you. USA is very good country, it´s democraty and it has made many good things in history, but I dont really like your first post in here. We are not, just sad peoples who failed to get greencard.:mad:
Axi, please don't take Billy or his sarcasm seriously. You'll live a much less stressful life that way.

[dudewithasock]

Dont mean to be ungrateful,:o but I wanted to say that we here outside USA dont really love you. USA is very good country, it´s democraty and it has made many good things in history, but I dont really like your first post in here. We are not, just sad peoples who failed to get greencard.:mad:

What Yoopers said.

And Billy has a point anyway. If you don't want to applaud the USA, then don't post in this thread, since that is its sole purpose. :p

[glen]

And Billy has a point anyway. If you don't want to applaud the USA, then don't post in this thread, since that is its sole purpose. :p
Thats kind of like starting a thread called "Let's all applaud drunk driving!!", and then whining when people express an alternate view.
Clearly this thread only exists to piss people off and get a reaction, and that's why we should all (myself included) ignore it and let it die, but it's absurd to expect only people who agree with an OP to reply to it. This is a disscussion board. If people don't want their opinions challenged, they should keep them to themselves. That being said, I'm outta here.

[dudewithasock]

Glen. Sarcasm. Learn it, please. :)

[BillyTheMountain]

Clearly this thread only exists to piss people off and get a reaction, and that's why we should all (myself included) ignore it and let it die.

Does it exist to piss off good Americans? No!

Does it exist to piss off those who love democracy? No!

Does it exist to piss off those who live in a world forever changed for the better by Americans? No!

Then WHO is it pissing off?

[BillyTheMountain]

another cool thing about the USA is, we spend more on trash bags than 80+ nations spend on EVERYTHING combined.

we also have a $billion storage industry, just so Americans have a place to keep all the STUFF they won't throw out!

USA has a LOT of stuff, and a LOT of garbage too. Probably much more than you do.

Very cool, USA!!!!

[JJuggle]

another cool thing about the USA is, we spend more on trash bags than 80+ nations spend on EVERYTHING combined.

we also have a $billion storage industry, just so Americans have a place to keep all the STUFF they won't throw out!

USA has a LOT of stuff, and a LOT of garbage too. Probably much more than you do.

Very cool, USA!!!!
Very amusing. Not.

But coincidentally - or not depending on your perspective - I was just wondering the other day if there was a Ray Kroc or Henry Ford of the storage industry. Somebody with a lot of space and nothing to put in it who had an AHA! moment.

[maestro8]

Then WHO is it pissing off?
Commie Pinkos?

Terrorists?

...

Bicyclists?