Joe Hodges- Koxx UK A Bad Thing?-- new vid

[Sponge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvwImYZTgrg

Boom there you go, some clips we filmed a while back. This is what I'm talking about in my Callout thread... decent editing and music that suits the riding. Decent filming too. All done on WMM.

The balance lines took at least an hour each to film, I may release an outtakes vid with all our unused comedy clips: bails and tantrums haha.

Enjoy.

[sp4rky-m4rky]

Didnt like it, struggled to watch it all the way through. Too long, too dark, too many rails and not enough variety. At about 4:30 I finaly perked up but then it was only that one line just from a few different angles and it went back to the rails again. Thats my honest opinion, sorry.

[Eddbmxdude]

Nice vid, as always. Its always nice to watch Joe ride, although it seems that quite alot of those clips were the same location, just different angles.

Can't wait to get home and watch it with sound. Got no speakers on my work puter.

Edd

[Sponge]

Meh, shame you didn't like it. Whatever.

Just a new style approach to vids. Dark, mellow, chilled.

The balance lines were there on purpose. This is a more tech-approached vid and yes, not as appealing to the eye as a 'go huge' vid. That's next on the list, suicidal roof-jump style dropgap and generally go massive.

I personally really like this vid, and it was pretty well edited by Joe, on WMM.

Whatever one may think, hell, it's a nice alternative to the fast paced heavy metal/commercial rock Flat/street hybrid vids you see. Slow, chilled trials with big moves and tech, woohoo.

[wheres_your_other_wheel]

I prefer things like this is flatland,
this seemed abit depresing and dark.

[Émile5]

I don'T agree with you Marcus. It's a great video, great editing, great riding but I prefer to see hard core trials, more hop and stuff then balance thingies, you know:)

[sp4rky-m4rky]

Meh, shame you didn't like it. Whatever.

Just a new style approach to vids. Dark, mellow, chilled.

The balance lines were there on purpose. This is a more tech-approached vid and yes, not as appealing to the eye as a 'go huge' vid. That's next on the list, suicidal roof-jump style dropgap and generally go massive.

I personally really like this vid, and it was pretty well edited by Joe, on WMM.

Whatever one may think, hell, it's a nice alternative to the fast paced heavy metal/commercial rock Flat/street hybrid vids you see. Slow, chilled trials with big moves and tech, woohoo.

I had no problem with the music, thought it was pretty good.

It was pretty dam long, It seems that almost any vid that long just seems to drag on because you end up seeing the same things/tricks and same places again and it just seems to get a little boring. The majority of it was built up with rail rides, Just a few of those clips would have done. After just the first clip it was clear he has amazing ballance and ability to ride rails. The novelty sort of wore off after a few minutes of rail rides.

I think variaty is key to keeping a long video intresting. unless you have loads of amazing places to ride and loads of different tricks/lines that you can land that are all new and intresting I think it is hard to fill a vid more than around 4 minutes long and still keep the veiwer intrested throughout. I would say the optimum lenght for a vid is probably between 3 and 4 mins long. If its bad you can put up with it, if its good its not long enough to get bored and if its amazing its long enough to show some good footage and not still leaving the veiwer realy wanting more. Just my opinion.

[sp4rky-m4rky]

I don'T agree with you Marcus.

You just dont like me :( :o







:D

[manicpanicmuni]

Sick vid super smooth go big shit awesome. i wish ryan wud release a new vid soon too

lol sparkymarky i dunno y u wud think that! me, emile and edd all liked i :p . i bet its cos ur slightly jealous haha and that none of ur vids are as good in quality editing n riding. ur vids are way more boring sparkymarky ;)

sorry marky, no offence

i hav 2 say that th only thing i didnt like bout this vid was that some of the lines wer filmed from diff angles loads but i guess dat was the effect and style they were goin for.

[Lutz]

The lines where awsome. But I didnt liked the style either and Joes rail style with the deep sattel between his knees is crazy also :).

[Jamieknox11]

LOL! it was sick in bits like the 180 roll hop on bnech and big gap.

balance lines boring

[Jamieknox11]

Sick vid super smooth go big shit awesome. i wish ryan wud release a new vid soon too

lol sparkymarky i dunno y u wud think that! me, emile and edd all liked i :p . i bet its cos ur slightly jealous haha and that none of ur vids are as good in quality editing n riding. ur vids are way more boring sparkymarky ;)

sorry marky, no offence

i hav 2 say that th only thing i didnt like bout this vid was that some of the lines wer filmed from diff angles loads but i guess dat was the effect and style they were goin for.

lol pwned

[Eddbmxdude]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO! Controversial!

[sp4rky-m4rky]

Sick vid super smooth go big shit awesome. i wish ryan wud release a new vid soon too

lol sparkymarky i dunno y u wud think that! me, emile and edd all liked i :p . i bet its cos ur slightly jealous haha and that none of ur vids are as good in quality editing n riding. ur vids are way more boring sparkymarky ;)

i hav 2 say that th only thing i didnt like bout this vid was that some of the lines wer filmed from diff angles loads but i guess dat was the effect and style they were goin for.

This computer has always seemed to be realy dark when watching videos, I will watch it on my laptop later and maybe I will enjoy it more then. Yea I am slightly jelous I have realy bad balance and I am pretty bad at riding rails.

What I am saying is there wasnt much variety and it was very long with alot of long slow rail rides. If I made a 10 minute vid of crankflips all on flat just at a few different locations and from different angles Im sure no one would hesitate to say it was boring but still im sure someone would maybe enjoy it, if they were trying to learn them maybe.

Im not saying the riding wasnt good. I know joe hodges is an amazing rider but I think it was a poor video. I look forward to his next Im sure I will have a very different opinion (at least I hope :D)

My new vid is almost done, wait until then, then you can rip the shit out or my riding filming and editing :p

I definatly agree with you that ryan should release a new vid though :D

[KlownLife]

As always, everything Joe touches turns to gold.

I personally enjoyed the video, when I head it was long I thought I would be easily bored and get distracted but I was fixed to the screen for the whole 6 and a half minutes.
Great riding no doubt, filming and editing was very stylish, looked like something you would see on DVD I reckon. As for the music, I think it suites Joe's riding and says alot about Joe himself. The fact that you or I may not have put the same music to the video speaks for Joe's individuality and that should be praised. Like sponge said, I would rather see videos that were different than the same old flat/street hybrid vids that seem to be the norm these days.

Anyway, before I get off my soap box, nice vid, a credit to UK unicycling.

Jas

[jamessd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvwImYZTgrg

Boom there you go, some clips we filmed a while back. This is what I'm talking about in my Callout thread... decent editing and music that suits the riding. Decent filming too. All done on WMM.

The balance lines took at least an hour each to film, I may release an outtakes vid with all our unused comedy clips: bails and tantrums haha.

Enjoy.
I agree that it got boring watching it in grey, just made me a bit tired...

Why does Joe Hodges not have his own forum user? :confused: or does he?

And do we ever get any videos of you riding?:p

[sp4rky-m4rky]

And do we ever get any videos of you riding?:p

Haha strange you say that I was thinking the same, especialy after his thread about videos. Would be cool to see a video from you sponge.

[thejdw]

Didnt like it, struggled to watch it all the way through. Too long, too dark, too many rails and not enough variety. At about 4:30 I finaly perked up but then it was only that one line just from a few different angles and it went back to the rails again. Thats my honest opinion, sorry.
I do have to agree I was constantly waiting for the pace to qicken

[PKHodgie]

yeah i didn't like the dark vido all the way through, but i found the riding good and the music. so good job.

[agentQ]

Other than the riding be pretty good and a few nice camera angles. There really were some neat lines. Tho I dont think this video does, for me, what you want from videos, sponge. The video is pretty impressive, a bit slow but it does have a theme. The music sets a mood and the riding goes well with it. Tho I was left sorta unfulfilled, not wanting more, and not amped up. So tho I enjoyed watching Joe do some impressive trials, the video doesnt have the bang you would make us beleive it did.

[skrobo]

great riding, didn't like the video though, too long for the # of locations and tricks done.

[Sponge]

Mixed reactions, yeah it's to be expected really. It's like the old cliched saying goes: Marmite- you either love it or hate it.

As i've said before, i personally thought it was enjoyable to watch and a great vid. The contrast between this and what's currently on offer on this video forum is what makes me like it.

Vids of me? Haha, I've never really properly gone and made the effort to film myself, mainly because I haven't got a camcorder. We just use Joe's to film his stuff, and although there are clips larking about on some of the tapes, I never take the effort to dig them out of his cupboard and take home to edit.
I've not been in the best of shapes to ride either, with two serious injuries, one to my right wrist, and another more recent tear in my ankle. That and boarding school gives me little to no time to ride compared to a lot of you lucky guys. I should have ridden loads this Xmas but something had to go wrong... ergh, stripped seatclamp! Still waiting for one to arrive... :o

I'm not a keen media person, as in, I don't really care that much about 'high-level' photography or videoing and editing. I'd rather just save my money for better things and prefer to ride how I want and freely without trudging a tripod and camcorder everywhere

I'll try and get something decent up during the summer. I like to abide by the quote 'strive for nothing less than excellence' as much as possible, so I've always wanted to produce one decent vid of me when I'm at an exceptionally high level rather than millions of half-cack vids of me at an average-to-good level. But hey, we all have different ways of thinking. There's mine for vids of me.

[jamessd]

I'm not a keen media person, as in, I don't really care that much about 'high-level' photography or videoing and editing

But you did just make a thread about it.. :confused:

[Sponge]

I think you're missing a point James.

Yeah, the Callout topic was to get other people to produce some really awesome vids of themselves. Purely to up the quality and prestige of the content in the Unicycle Videos forum.

It doesn't necessarily mean I like to go out with a £1000 Canon HD camera or whatever and go taking pictures of dead leaves :p. I'm not a media person in that I'm not interested in spending hours of my time filmmaking and photo'ing, it's a hobby I'm not into, but others are. I respect that others like it. But it's not my thing. I do however like to look at pictures other people have taken (e.g. riding pics) and watch vids too. Make sense?

This is getting off-topic, back to vid! Constructive criticism welcomed.

[Matt_V]

I enjoyed the video and I didn't find it too long at all. I think it would have been nice if it was a bit brighter, but the black and white was good.

It also would have been nicer if there was more longer technical lines, other then just riding rails.

[sp4rky-m4rky]

I enjoyed the video and I didn't find it too long at all. I think it would have been nice if it was a bit brighter, but the black and white was good.

It also would have been nicer if there was more longer technical lines, other then just riding rails.

A bit more variety maybe?

[CoreTechs]

I enjoyed that vid. I thought it had a nice smooth pace to it. Balancing on those skinnies is pretty cool. I can't even come close to that yet.

[Probailer2]

Very good video Joe "Madmen" Hodges.
Great railriding skills, mad high hops and as allways nice music.
Liked it allot. Anyone else noticed the Triton frame in it?

Peter M

[mornish]

I really liked it.

A lot of people in here don't seem to appreciate the difficulty of the skinnies that Joe does but whatever I guess. I really liked it.


because it was so dark it was a little hard to pay attention during the entire thing but oh well I guess.

[Linusk]

:eek:! Oh my, Joe is very talented :eek:

Although he's a super great rider I have to say I didn't like the style of the vid.
Minus points:
- Grayscale through the whole vid, it got repetitive
- The music wasn't very good
- Too dark (could be the grayscale)
- A total sudden end, no fading or anything
- Still camera
(Now I sound like a total negative person but actually I'm not :p)

+ Great lines (could have been a little longer ones)

[Probailer2]

:eek:! Oh my, Joe is very talented :eek:

Although he's a super great rider I have to say I didn't like the style of the vid.
Minus points:
- Grayscale through the whole vid, it got repetitive
- The music wasn't very good
- Too dark (could be the grayscale)
- A total sudden end, no fading or anything
- Still camera
(Now I sound like a total negative person but actually I'm not :p)

+ Great lines (could have been a little longer ones)

I just love the drum and bass, fits good under his mad riding skills ;)

Peter M

[maximus unius]

Riding was awesome, couldn't have been better.

The music fit with the riding well too, which is good.

The lighting ruined it for me though. Really hard to see what he was riding, doing, etc. This could have at least been helped by not making it grayscale.

Pretty good job, and its always great to see Joe ride.

[Jerrick]

I really liked it.

A lot of people in here don't seem to appreciate the difficulty of the skinnies that Joe does but whatever I guess. I really liked it.


because it was so dark it was a little hard to pay attention during the entire thing but oh well I guess.

I appreciate the skinnies (I ride skinnies a lot), and im sure everyone else does, but its just like watching crankflips. But just like crankflips become interesting when done down sets, ledges, over objects, and whatever, skinnies become better to watch when the skinny is something odd, kinked, curving around, or really high. You get the idea.

There were some big moves that I liked and where cool, for some reason, the technoish music has never fit for me in any unicycle vid so far. It wasnt bad, but for me it never becomes anything that pops out, and its just is kinda there, if that makes sense.

I didnt mind the black and white of the film, though it could of been sharpened a little bit just to give a little more detail to some of the objects. Its given me a good idea for my video.


Anyways, the vid wasnt really spectacular to me, it was good, but nothing setting it apart from the other vids I watch on here.

[picado]

Wow!
Awesome joe! I loved the bus on the back when you was railing.
The video quality for a night riding is very good too.


Congrats!

[The.Mars.Volta]

Pretty good, I didn't like the lack of lighting though.

[Fredrik_Justnes]

Enjoyed every second of it!
But what hapened to the end? The vid suddenly stoppet.
And I don't think the black/white effect fits..
I didn't like the music either, but that's from my opinion.

Keep up the good work!

[Sponge]

I appreciate the skinnies (I ride skinnies a lot), and im sure everyone else does, but its just like watching crankflips. But just like crankflips become interesting when done down sets, ledges, over objects, and whatever, skinnies become better to watch when the skinny is something odd, kinked, curving around, or really high. You get the idea



Some of the rails were curved and had bumps in the middle too, and rather high as well. I remember it took ages to film each haha. With horrible drops on the other side of some of them.

thanks for the comments so far guys.

[Jerrick]

Some of the rails were curved and had bumps in the middle too, and rather high as well. I remember it took ages to film each haha. With horrible drops on the other side of some of them.

thanks for the comments so far guys.

Im talking about insanely weird rails! lol. :p

Nah, its impressive to do, and I can tell when he dropped down one, he was quite frustrated with it.

[Danni]

High def? This rocks!

[TrialsUni]

i like all of the shit-talking people have done in this thread, because i've yet to see any of them back it up.

you kids are lucky people like sponge even take their personal time to edit together a movie at all.

personally i dig the music. i haven't heard a whole lot of drum and bass, but what i've heard i like. i also dig the b&w. i think some of the intolerant younger crowd forgets the experimental nature of jess reigel's vids. some of his had zack baldwin riding in the dark. my only suggestion is a little more personal quality and personality. i would've liked to have heard joe's struggles with the rail...by this i mean that maybe he could've talked to the camera after he fell off. i don't know if i'm explaining what i mean properly.

and as for the people complaining about the same lines being shown from different angles, shut yer domes. i've watched your videos of the same street tricks done on flat while you try to imitate the exact lines of far better riders than you. shut up, go out and ride, and develope your own styles.

nice one there hodges. this one shows more style and finesse than i've seen in previous vids. stand-up rail riding? that's just crazy!

great effort!
evan

[oneisenough]

w...its just my opinion...but i wasnt a huge fan. there is NO denying that the riding was AMAZING...it truely was. i personally like more "high energy" vids. this seemed to drag on in a dark, depressing way. it almost "un-pumped" me

the musci would have been better if it was not throughout the whole thing...and gray(grey)scale and darkness got old.

[Jon Atwell]

[QUOTE=wheres_your_other_wheel]I prefer things like this is flatland,
QUOTE]

me too... that was such a sick vid ha:)

[Jerrick]

i like all of the shit-talking people have done in this thread, because i've yet to see any of them back it up.

...

great effort!
evan

The main reason why I went into detail about this video is because of what Sponge posted about making videos. I wasnt "Shit-talking", so calm down a bit.

We can say what we do and do not like about a video, and it doesnt have to agree with the other members who have watched the video, the riders in the video, or the one editing the video.

[Municycler]

I really enjoyed that vid. It was one of those that makes you want to go ride. Defect had the same effect on me.

I didnt like his tantrum when he threw his uni and kicked it. I hate seeing stuff like that.

[sp4rky-m4rky]

Ok I just watched it again but on my laptop, I think we need are other computer moniter.

Sorry for being so harsh. I enjoyed it much more this time that I could actuly see it. I didnt realise that there was some good big lines, it was too dark on my other computer. I still think that it could have been better, not the riding, the editing. If you fail a line then redo it and make it all the way dont show the clips one after eachother, just show the full completed line (unless they are short or you bail badly and it looks good). If you do the same line from different angles maybe cut between the two angles so you see the line once but from two angles. This will reduce the length, make it less repetative and keep it intresting.

[Probailer2]

I didnt like his tantrum when he threw his uni and kicked it. I hate seeing stuff like that.

It's fustrating when you try something for like 100times and when you ALMOST have it you drop of it.
I sometimes also kick or throw my unicycle.
Not very cool, but its stress reliving :p

Peter M

[Linusk]

w...its just my opinion...but i wasnt a huge fan. there is NO denying that the riding was AMAZING...it truely was. i personally like more "high energy" vids. this seemed to drag on in a dark, depressing way. it almost "un-pumped" me

the musci would have been better if it was not throughout the whole thing...and gray(grey)scale and darkness got old.
That's exactly what i mean :rolleyes: you have to give some constructive criticism, else you'll end up with only watching these kind of videos you don't like cause there aren't any others out there (I exaggerated a little but you get the picture :D)

[brendan]

nice, ok video quality was debatable but the riding was awesome ! gd music too

[Johann3s]

crazy guy, joe!

godlike

[agentQ]

I didnt like his tantrum when he threw his uni and kicked it. I hate seeing stuff like that.

Tho none of us really like seeing a uni get tossed or thrown, I think alot of us enjoy seeing that emotion brought to film. I am guilty of putting a clip of me throwing my uni in more than one video. When I watch it I sorta regret doing it, tho I remember that feeling of being so close and and the struggle involved with learning or landing something truely tough. Anytime you bring emotion to film you are giving the viewer insight into the mood. The viewer may not be super happy with what they see, but the rider isnt usally super happy with there irrupting temper.

[thejdw]

I didnt like his tantrum when he threw his uni and kicked it. I hate seeing stuff like that.
That part had me in tears :(

[skilewis74]

I liked it. The time kind of flew by for me and felt like a bit over 4 minutes.

I agree the ending was a bit harsh and where were the credits?

I liked seeing his frustration (and heard :o w/ bleeped out swearing if he did it) and would have liked to see more UPD's. Maybe the opening line: one of the harder skinnies showing several attempts, getting further and further along (each time just the UPD + a second or two before), then the whole thing successfully.
Purely to up the quality and prestige of the content in the Unicycle Videos forum.
... do to laziness, ignorence, lack of experience. Know what works w/o having to go through as much trial and error w/ poorer quality vids as the result.

[skrobo]

all this video needs is some sunniness.

same for the comments, it is a well put together video from an amazing rider.

now... i still havn't seen a koxx-one production or rider that i REALLY LIKED. i guess you can say thats a call out. i'm not one to do that, i'm not good enough, but yeah. they could add some spunk to their videos.

[Eddbmxdude]

Tho none of us really like seeing a uni get tossed or thrown, I think alot of us enjoy seeing that emotion brought to film. I am guilty of putting a clip of me throwing my uni in more than one video. When I watch it I sorta regret doing it, tho I remember that feeling of being so close and and the struggle involved with learning or landing something truely tough

Im guilty of throwing my uni in frustration too, but last time I did it bounced back and hit me in the face. Serves me right I spose, that was ages ago and I havent done it since! :o

Edd

[bungalistic]

It's a good video but I do not think the night scenes/sections should have been done in B&W they looked too dark and lacked detail and I have always liked watching night riding when shot well with all the town/city lights as a backdrop.

I didn't like the music especially but it worked well with the composition, it suited the riding for the most part and also worked well with the B&W style used.

I agree with other peoples comments that some lines/tricks seemed a bit repetitive but overall still good.

It is nice to see people thinking about the videos and how they are shot a little more, I think B&W can really work in videos so well done for trying something a bit different.

[skilewis74]

It's a good video but I do not think the night scenes/sections should have been done in B&W they looked too dark and lacked detail and I have always liked watching night riding when shot well with all the town/city lights as a backdrop.
Jess Riegel did some shots of Zack Baldwin in B&W at night that looked pretty good. Those shots were MUCH closer.

[Probailer2]

Jess Riegel did some shots of Zack Baldwin in B&W at night that looked pretty good. Those shots were MUCH closer.

Jess Riegel is an artist, enough said ;)

Peter M

[Sponge]

Haha, some of you may be interested in unedited clips then. I shant repeat what was said during that tantrum clip, but there's definitely more to it than you thought.

Throwing the uni isn't a good thing. I personally try to respect the uni I use by not abusing it when it's myself that screws up a line or move. Different people work in different ways, Joe doesn't really care about hardware that much so a uni to him is a tool to do trials on, purely that, as he strongly dislikes the cycling side of Uni-ing.

So he knows throwing it about is not a good thing, but it's just a way of releasing anger. You guys don't know what caused him to do that in that scene. But, here's the gist: basically, cars driving past him the whole time which were a HUGE distraction, some jeering. But the most irritating of all was this complete weirdo middle aged man in sunglasses standing across the other side of the ride just STANDING there and watching. For like 45 minutes solid. He was doing that even before we set up the camera and stuff, and continued doing so even after we packed up and left... (weirdo), so that served as a big distraction too.


NB: For the critics that thought that this video was edited as a response to my callout, it wasn't. Days after I made the callout, Joe just contacted me saying he'd made a new video and gave me a pre-release link. I personally liked it. He had no idea of the callout I made, so to be honest, it's a fair effort considering it's just a WMM edited vid that was done without any knowledge of or inspiration from the Callout. The vid was made as an Experiment. It's just a different concept. Some of you didn't appreciate it, meh, we're not bothered, it was just a test. As for the balance lines and different angles, it strikes me as very odd... these are the kinds of things common in many of the top biketrials vids, and the community of that sport are far more appreciate of these subtle qualities. Unicycling seems almost opposite in this respect. There have been enough suggestions and so on for 'how it can be improved etc'.. and filming from different angles is something that will be continued to be done. I know of many angle tricks that correlate to certain trials moves very nicely (something I learnt from being in the biketrials community), so I MIGHT employ some of them into the next vid.

Next vid is probably going to be a 'big moves' vid, rather than this more balance and tech based one slow and mellow one. Those are just all experiments. After that one, we'll release something rare, very rare for online vids. ;)

[Unitik908]

Joe i just know.
you have mad skills.

BUT i give you mad props for a SSj4 Goku av!

Chase

[Sponge]

Haha, cheers. I used to watch the Dragonball series when I was young. I just remembered back all those years and thought the red-outlined eye was pretty mean as an avatar :rolleyes:

2nd NB: one of the themes behind this vid, incase any of you didn't get it, was the venting of frustration against Koxx UK also known in the UK as: NSE, Trialsman, Fred Savage. They have given poor support as part of the overall Koxx-One sponsorship, I won't go into what exactly, but it's definitely something that needs fixing. Again, part of the experimental nature of this vid: protest.

[Danni]

High definition download? This vid is amazing!