i greatly dislike mit romney

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i am hereby starting the comitte opposing mit romney for president/ mit romney bashing thread. i know that all you democrats got an oppinion, so let it be heard here.

if mit romney becomes president i am moving to canada. (i appologize to canada for any offense that you may take from that statement)

i usually don't have a problem with republicans, but everytime i hear mit speak, i just want to slap him in the face

[James_Potter]

What exactly do you dislike about him?

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he is trying to control everyone, he talks AROUND the issues, never about them, he attacks people with issues that he is not entirely good on, hes a hipocryte(sorry about spelling) i just want to slap him

[john_childs]

he is trying to control everyone, he talks AROUND the issues, never about them, he attacks people with issues that he is not entirely good on, hes a hypocrite(fixed that for ya) i just want to slap him
And that is different from Hillary or Obama how?

[yoopers]

And that is different from any other politician how?
Fixed it for you, John. :)

[ntappin]

if mit romney becomes president i am moving to canada. (i appologize to canada for any offense that you may take from that statement)

Thats cool, you will just have to learn to use capital letters when you get here.

And that is different from Hillary or Obama how?

Hillary is a woman and Obama is kinda black, this alone should mean that they will be amazing leaders! :P

[Spoonthumb]

Hillary is a woman and Obama is kinda black, this alone should mean that they will be amazing leaders! :P

hahahahaha...that made me smile...

[spazdude222]

Fixed it for you, John. :)
George W. Bush didn't talk around issues... When he had something to say about something, he came right out and butchered the language necessary to communicate his ideas.:p ;)

[James_Potter]

George W. Bush didn't talk around issues... When he had something to say about something, he came right out and butchered the language necessary to communicate his ideas.:p ;)
Most people just misunderestimate his strategery.

[spazdude222]

Most people just misunderestimate his strategery.
You understand. He's such an exceedimentarily greatorious Decider!

[Spoonthumb]

i love how he says nuclear weapons nuculur

[spazdude222]

i love how he says nuclear weapons nuculur
Actually...If you look it up (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nuclear), both pronunciations are correct. That one is NOT in fact one of his many speech impediments.

[James_Potter]

Chyeah, how much do you wanna bet they changed it because too many Amerikans couldn't say it right....

[Spoonthumb]

Chyeah, how much do you wanna bet they changed it because too many Amerikans couldn't say it right....

lol ill bet they did

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Threeeadjaaaaack!!!

[manon1wheel]

why dont you like him? hes a true leader, and the fact that hes a Mormon makes it all better! mormons are the best people i know. hell be a great leader.

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i guess im just sick of politicians altogether

[phlegm]

I've only barely started to research who the potential presidential candidates are, so I don't know much about Romney. The one interesting thing I heard recently was a commentator on one of those cable news channels, while comparing Romney's Mormonism to JFK's Catholicism, imply that the chasm between Evangelicalism and Mormonism is much less than the chasm between Evangelicalism and Catholicism--the opposite of what I think. Maybe I don't really understand what is meant by Evangelicalism. Are Evangelical perceived to be more like Mormons than like Catholics? :confused:

Nonetheless, I'm guessing that I probably won't vote for Romney because Republicanism is the greater of the evils, in my mind.

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don't forget, the lesser of 2 evils is still evil

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

I've only barely started to research who the potential presidential candidates are, so I don't know much about Romney. The one interesting thing I heard recently was a commentator on one of those cable news channels, while comparing Romney's Mormonism to JFK's Catholicism, imply that the chasm between Evangelicalism and Mormonism is much less than the chasm between Evangelicalism and Catholicism--the opposite of what I think. Maybe I don't really understand what is meant by Evangelicalism. Are Evangelical perceived to be more like Mormons than like Catholics? :confused:

Nonetheless, I'm guessing that I probably won't vote for Romney because Republicanism is the greater of the evils, in my mind.
Difference is that Kennedey didn't let his religion interfere with his work but from what I've heard from Romney in interviews, it's the complete opposite.
don't forget, the lesser of 2 evils is still evil
+1

[phlegm]

don't forget, the lesser of 2 evils is still evil

Well, of course. Duh! :rolleyes:

[James_Potter]

why dont you like him? hes a true leader, and the fact that hes a Mormon makes it all better! mormons are the best people i know. hell be a great leader.
Is that not the same reason Iraqis originally liked Sadaam? (because he's Muslim, like them, and thus a great person).

[maestro8]

if mit romney becomes president i am moving to canada.
Is this a threat or a promise? Are we supposed to be happy or sad that you'll end up in Canada? I don't get it!

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i see it as a negative thing, for me, to have to uproot my life,and for the country, that the u.s. will be relieved of another great young mind
but canada will probably greet me with open arms

[James_Potter]

If, when something goes wrong with your country, you choose to forget about it and leave it in disrepair instead of trying to help fix it (as should happen in a democracy anyway), I doubt any country would particularly welcome you with open arms.
That goes to anyone who feels that way, not just you.

[Gilby]

Nonetheless, I'm guessing that I probably won't vote for Romney because Republicanism is the greater of the evils, in my mind.

And what is republicanism? What does it mean when the constitution guarantees a republican form of government? Republicanism is good, but most those (like Romney) that claim to be Republican and not republican, but are fascist. Democrats are mostly socialists/communists. Why choose between the two evils, which are forms of collectivism, when you can choose (http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/350/preview.html) freedom (individualism).

[phlegm]

And what is republicanism? What does it mean when the constitution guarantees a republican form of government? Republicanism is good, but most those (like Romney) that claim to be Republican and not republican, but are fascist. Democrats are mostly socialists/communists. Why choose between the two evils, which are forms of collectivism, when you can choose (http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/350/preview.html) freedom (individualism).

By republicanism, I meant whatever the Republican party's latest offerings include.

So, you're saying that individualism is not an evil? I don't buy that. I'm all about voting for the lesser of evils.

[phlegm]

you can choose (http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/350/preview.html) freedom (individualism).

Not to go off topic--it's Gilby's fault!! ;) ...I glanced at the Political positions of Ron Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul) wikipedia article, and most of it sounds pretty agreeable to me. I thought I'd include a link to readable material in case anyone else prefers it over video. Am I the only one who dislikes video because it forces me into the presenters pace?

[johnfoss]

i guess im just sick of politicians altogetherYou have yet to explain why you're sicker of Romney than the rest of them.

don't forget, the lesser of 2 evils is still evilBy which you mean what? If you don't intend to vote, please don't waste our time. Having been able to vote for U.S. presidents since 1980, I've yet to vote for someone I really *liked.* Still, given the choices I consider it my responsibility to vote for the one I dislike the least, or otherwise vote to block the candidate I think would be the least good for the country.

In 2004 I was dumbfounded that this country elected George W. Bush *again.* I hope that half of the country (that voted for him) got what they wanted. So I don't find it impossible to conceive that this population will elect the Republican candidate again this time, but if they do, I can understand the desire to move elsewhere. I haven't researched Canadian politics, but I'd like to give the Canadian people the benefit of the doubt and assume they're smarter than the average American voter.

[Gilby]

So, you're saying that individualism is not an evil? I don't buy that. I'm all about voting for the lesser of evils.

I'm talking about individualism only from a political/government sense. The purpose of a republic is to protect individual rights. Instead, the politics of today want to group us up into categories and treat us as groups, so that we have group rights instead of individual rights. This pits different groups against one another and encourages prejudice.

So, yes, I am saying that supporting individual rights is not evil. Not that evil cannot be accomplished under such a free society, but the effect of evil acts is of lower potential.

[ivan]

If, when something goes wrong with your country, you choose to forget about it and leave it in disrepair instead of trying to help fix it (as should happen in a democracy anyway), I doubt any country would particularly welcome you with open arms.
That goes to anyone who feels that way, not just you.
Bollocks! How exactly are you supposed to go about fixing a whole country?

Are you saying that Jews in Nazi Germany should've stayed to oppose Hitler and the regime and "help fix it"(while getting slightly killed at the same time)? And that other countries should've refused them shelter, because they ran away?

I think you're on to something.

[James_Potter]

Bollocks! How exactly are you supposed to go about fixing a whole country?

Are you saying that Jews in Nazi Germany should've stayed to oppose Hitler and the regime and "help fix it"(while getting slightly killed at the same time)? And that other countries should've refused them shelter, because they ran away?

I think you're on to something.
Ask Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr, Che Guevera (for better or worse)...and those who started the American Revolution.
Not necessarily the Jews, but everyone should have seen that what the Nazis were doing was WRONG and done what was in their power to end it (for example, what Miep Gies did...it was small, but it helped some people).

Here's a poem you've probably read before, but it's always relevant:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

[maestro8]

If, when something goes wrong with your country, you choose to forget about it and leave it in disrepair instead of trying to help fix it (as should happen in a democracy anyway), I doubt any country would particularly welcome you with open arms.
Well said.

Now and again I hear this "I want XXX or I'm leaving!" proclamation in the middle of some political discussion. Makes me wonder what that person is worth to a democratic society. ..

[tomblackwood]

Mitt's a smart guy, but ultimately still a ventriloquist's dummy. The guy below is the man with his hand up Mitt's back:

I've spent roughly 1/3 of my life as a Utah resident. Love the state. Hate the way all the politicians pretend they aren't errand boys for The Church (http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e419fb40e21cef00VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD). It was due to this fiasco (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/04/27/MN219163.DTL) that I now live in Washington.

[john_childs]

Well said.

Now and again I hear this "I want XXX or I'm leaving!" proclamation in the middle of some political discussion. Makes me wonder what that person is worth to a democratic society. ..
I don't understand the thinking of people who would threaten to move to Canada or actually follow through and move just because a Republican gets elected. It makes me think those people don't have a good grasp on the situation or how the system works. But if you're going to threaten to move at least follow though and don't just go half-way. Change your citizenship too, and not a dual citizenship. Change it fully so you can't vote in future US elections. Then I'll know you're serious.

The US system needs the Democrats to buffer the Republicans when the Republicans have power. Same as the system needs the Republicans to buffer the Democrats when the Democrats have power. As long as the opposition stays honest the system will buffer itself and balance out the excesses from either party. Right now the Democrats are failing us by failing to properly buffer the excesses of the Patriot Act and similar laws. Come on Dems, quit playing politics and do your job you lazy bastards.

[Gilby]

The US system needs the Democrats to buffer the Republicans when the Republicans have power. Same as the system needs the Republicans to buffer the Democrats when the Democrats have power. As long as the opposition stays honest the system will buffer itself and balance out the excesses from either party. Right now the Democrats are failing us by failing to properly buffer the excesses of the Patriot Act and similar laws. Come on Dems, quit playing politics and do your job you lazy bastards.

Republicans and Democrats are mostly the same. Why would they buffer each other? They both want to expand the state, just in slightly different ways.

[UniTyler]

I don't understand the thinking of people who would threaten to move to Linux or actually follow through and move just because a bad Windows OS gets released. It makes me think those people don't have a good grasp on the situation or how their system works. But if you're going to threaten to move at least follow though and don't just go half-way. Reformat your entire hard disk, too, and not a dual boot. Change it fully so you can't use future MS products. Then I'll know you're serious. .

[john_childs]

Republicans and Democrats are mostly the same. Why would they buffer each other? They both want to expand the state, just in slightly different ways.
Republicans and Democrats buffer when their core beliefs differ. For issues where the Republicans and Democrats are in agreement then no buffering takes place. From a Libertarian point of view there are vast areas where the Republicans and Democrats are one in the same regarding how government should be run.

[john_childs]

Linux Linux Linux Linux
I have never threatened to move to Linux or switch away from MS.

I visit Linux occasionally just like I visit Canada occasionally. I have no intention of moving completely over to Linux or moving to Canada just because I visit occasionally.

[UniTyler]

I have never threatened to move to Linux or switch away from MS.

I visit Linux occasionally just like I visit Canada occasionally. I have no intention of moving completely over to Linux or moving to Canada just because I visit occasionally.

I know. I actually wasn't referring to you in that "quote," John, that is just what your post reminded me of. :)

[Gilby]

Republicans and Democrats buffer when their core beliefs differ. For issues where the Republicans and Democrats are in agreement then no buffering takes place. From a Libertarian point of view there are vast areas where the Republicans and Democrats are one in the same regarding how government should be run.

They usually have the same end goal, but the method differs slightly. You may want to get this book: http://www.differencebetweendemocratsandrepublicans.com/