The Official 19" Trials Tyre Thread

[alexmay]

The creepy crawlers were ok in the end, smoother than tryalls on the pavement but i switched back in the end... i love my tryalls too much!

[skrobo]

eh, if creepy crawlers had the sidewalls of the try-all, that would be my favorite tire of all time, but since they don't, i go w/ the lesser of the evils and get a tryall w/ motorcycle tube...
and for those who don't understand rim sizes... trials rims have a 15 inch diameter, BMX/regular bike rims have a 16 inch diameter.

[Michaelgoround]

eh, if creepy crawlers had the sidewalls of the try-all, that would be my favorite tire of all time, but since they don't, i go w/ the lesser of the evils and get a tryall w/ motorcycle tube...
and for those who don't understand rim sizes... trials rims have a 15 inch diameter, BMX/regular bike rims have a 16 inch diameter.
Same here. I prefer the creepy crawlers grip, but adore the Try-Alls sidewalls.
I just got an MX tube BTW and I have to say it looks like it should stand up a lot better.

[Emile.m]

I just got an MX tube BTW and I have to say it looks like it should stand up a lot better.

What's a MX tube?

EDIT: Searched a bit and it seems to be a motorcycle tube.

[unicycler100]

why use a MX tube??? Sure its going to save you punchers but arent they really heavy???

[Michaelgoround]

why use a MX tube??? Sure its going to save you punchers but arent they really heavy???
I don't think it is much heavier (it may be lighter) and it really saves on punctures so I got an MX tube. I may be testing it out today if I can get somone to ride with me.
I get flats a lot therefore I got an MX tube.

[Emile.m]

I ride an anti-torn/anti-pinch tube. I always get flat with normal tubes.

[Michaelgoround]

I ride an anti-torn/anti-pinch tube. I always get flat with normal tubes.
Yah. They just don't hold up. I poped mine like every other time I rode it.

[skrobo]

i had a bunch of regular tubes laying around, until i popped something like 7 in one day
then i went and bought a motorcycle tube. I'm pretty sure that they are lighter than a regular tube... definitely lighter than any thorn resistant tube i've seen, and they just don't pop very easily, i've popped mine once, and had the repair come loose a few times. in the past year? maybe more?

[unicycler100]

sweet ok I might have to look round and find one.....

Did you just get one from a MX shop or something???

[Biggestbtc]

sweet ok I might have to look round and find one.....

Did you just get one from a MX shop or something???
That's what I did. I went into Cumberland Cycle and asked for a 15x25" tube. It was cheaper than I had anticipated, only about $5, so I was happy.

[jaco_flans]

How's the Monty Eagle Claw on round rails? I might buy one when my Luna is gonna be dead, that means in the next summer maybe:p

[Michaelgoround]

sweet ok I might have to look round and find one.....

Did you just get one from a MX shop or something???

That's what I did. I went into Cumberland Cycle and asked for a 15x2.5-2.75" tube. It was cheaper than I had anticipated, only about $5, so I was happy.

Thats what I did except mine cost like 8 dollars plus I had to by some MX tire levers ($8 a piece). As I said before definately getting!

I've been spending a lot of money on sports lately!:D

[unicycler100]

sweet thanks guys.... I might go into a MX shop on saturday

[Biggestbtc]

Thats what I did except mine cost like 8 dollars plus I had to by some MX tire levers ($8 a piece). As I said before definately getting!

I've been spending a lot of money on sports lately!:D



Well, the packaging on mine looked rather retro, so who knows how long they've had it on hand. :)

[Smilymarco]

How's the Monty Eagle Claw on round rails? I might buy one when my Luna is gonna be dead, that means in the next summer maybe:p

Nearly same thread, more grip, very good sidewalls.

'nough said on the MEC? ;) Thats the tire i'll get next when my TryAll gets old.

[Nurse Ben]

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[danger_uni]

I have an EC on my uni at the moment and definitely it's a very good tire.
But...for what it's worth:

Both the EC and CC are made by Maxxis in Taiwan. Both use the identical rubber from the same factory. Both have the identical casing. In terms of manufacture, the only difference between them is the tread mold. Even that is quite similar; the main difference is that the EC has an offset tread instead of parallel rows of tread. They do feel slightly different to ride but the only reason they are different in manufacture is the tread pattern.

Kris

[unicycler100]

I have an EC on my uni at the moment and definitely it's a very good tire.
But...for what it's worth:

Both the EC and CC are made by Maxxis in Taiwan. Both use the identical rubber from the same factory. Both have the identical casing. In terms of manufacture, the only difference between them is the tread mold. Even that is quite similar; the main difference is that the EC has an offset tread instead of parallel rows of tread. They do feel slightly different to ride but the only reason they are different in manufacture is the tread pattern.

Kris

wow thats quite instreasting to know to be honest.... thanks for the info Kris

[WOFT]

I have an EC on my uni at the moment and definitely it's a very good tire.
But...for what it's worth:

Both the EC and CC are made by Maxxis in Taiwan. Both use the identical rubber from the same factory. Both have the identical casing. In terms of manufacture, the only difference between them is the tread mold. Even that is quite similar; the main difference is that the EC has an offset tread instead of parallel rows of tread. They do feel slightly different to ride but the only reason they are different in manufacture is the tread pattern.

Kris

I thought the main claim to fame of the EC was that it has stiffer sidewalls compared to the CC?

[Probailer2]

I have an EC on my uni at the moment and definitely it's a very good tire.
But...for what it's worth:

Both the EC and CC are made by Maxxis in Taiwan. Both use the identical rubber from the same factory. Both have the identical casing. In terms of manufacture, the only difference between them is the tread mold. Even that is quite similar; the main difference is that the EC has an offset tread instead of parallel rows of tread. They do feel slightly different to ride but the only reason they are different in manufacture is the tread pattern.

Kris

If find it hard to believe that the Monty eagle Claw is made in the Maxxis factory.
Or did you mean that the 2 tires come from the same (non branded) factory?

[saskatchewanian]

If find it hard to believe that the Monty eagle Claw is made in the Maxxis factory.
Or did you mean that the 2 tires come from the same (Cheng Shin Tire Company) factory?

Fixed it for you

The Cheng Shin Tire company makes a huge number of tires for a huge number of brands. Maxxis is actually a Cheng Shin brand like Surly is a QBP brand. Chances are you have a tube made by Cheng Shin in your tire right now.



I also find it hard to believe that they have the same casing. I have had an EC for over a year now but my trials uni is still with a friend in Montreal so I have not tried it on a unicycle to see how it rides. (I have used it on a BC wheel but I really can't use that as a riding comparison)

just judging by looks and not ride feel I think the sidewalls look like they have more rubber on the outside making them thicker overall.

[danger_uni]

That's correct - Cheng Shin uses Maxxis as their high end brand; Maxxis branded tires are made in their Taiwan factory and Chen Shin branded tires in China (along with other brands they make). The Monty is a rare case where it's made in the Taiwan factory; most other-branded tires are made in the China factory.

I do agree that the sidewalls feel slightly different on the EC; it may be that this is a function of differences in the tread mold.

Kris

[Probailer2]

I knew the company then, lol.
Either way, the Maxxis CC is good, but the MEC is even better :cool:

[unicycler100]

I might have asked this or someone else but how long do the Try-all white trials tyres last? I ride quite a lot and a lot of it is on the concert.

[Probailer2]

I might have asked this or someone else but how long do the Try-all white trials tyres last? I ride quite a lot and a lot of it is on the concert.

I think it will last as long as the black one.
Not sure how long that is, but a friend of mine wore his one out way to fast.
MEC for the win ;)

[unicycler100]

I think it will last as long as the black one.
Not sure how long that is, but a friend of mine wore his one out way to fast.
MEC for the win ;)

ok thanks its just that we cant get the try all tyres here in NZ so I want something different from every one else. who either has a CC or MEC

[unicycler100]

Has anybody ridden the onza trials tyre.. I'm keen to it out and see if it worth the money for a next tyre

[jaco_flans]

Can anyone here compare the Monty 2.7 with the Luna? I'm getting a 2.7 Monty and I would like to know what is this tire like. I think I've seen it's a little bit similar to Luna but it's a little bit bigger.

[SpaceFmK]

Is there anyone that could make a direct comparison between a new Try-all tire and one that has been worn and has little tread all the way around?
Like the type/amount of bounce and what not?

[SkierAlex]

Is there anyone that could make a direct comparison between a new Try-all tire and one that has been worn and has little tread all the way around?
Like the type/amount of bounce and what not?

The same.

[quaxer]

Can anyone here compare the Monty 2.7 with the Luna? I'm getting a 2.7 Monty and I would like to know what is this tire like. I think I've seen it's a little bit similar to Luna but it's a little bit bigger.

Where are you getting the MEC?

[jaco_flans]

Where are you getting the MEC?
It's not an MEC, It's just an old 2.7 Monty. They dont made them anymore. But I got it used from www.pinkbike.com from a Trials Uni rider(Joel Burgess if anyone know him, he played in Inner Balance). Both of them are sold though. I wish I could've brought both of them. It looks huge!

[quaxer]

I got myself a Pinkbike account to buy exactly that tire, but you got there first. LOL

[jaco_flans]

I got myself a Pinkbike account to buy exactly that tire, but you got there first. LOL
He had 2 Monty 2.7. I only brought one. I still didn't tried it, it's too cold outside and I dont want it to crack.

EDIT: What's your account on pinkbike? I'll had you as a friend:)

[quaxer]

I call myself onewheelrebel (kind of copying Borgshulze from this site) but I hardly ever go on there... after all, I'm a unicyclist, not a mountain biker.

[jaco_flans]

I've ridden trials today for the first time with my 2.7 Monty so here's my review for now...
I didn't really liked it except that it doesn't folds at all! It grips really bad, it doesn't really have a good bounce, and it feels like a foam tire. So, the only thing I like yet of that tire is that it doesn't folds at all and it looks huge!:p Really, I liked my Luna better than that tire... I'm a little bit disapointed of that tire.:(

[tim_desmet]

I think this is a good threat to post my question.. :p
does someone has ever tried this tyre? http://nodabs.nl/nl/unicycles/banden/onza-sticky-fingers-20x2-5.html
it looks pretty good and cheap!! :rolleyes:
the black rubber= hard rubber
the orange rubber= soft rubber :)

[aidanteleki]

Monty Eagle Claw
Essentially, this tyre is an upgrade of the Creepy Crawler. Same style of construction and improved in almost all areas.

Grip- read Maxxis Creepy Crawler
Wear-rate- lasts a decent amount of time, longer than the CC, but Try-All lasts longer for sure. Still damn impresseed.
Sidewalls- like the CC's except a tad thicker and does not have the unreliable folding properties that can upset your preloads. Good stuff... however, my only criticism is that the sidewalls are still slightly 'papery' like the CC and threads poke through, makes it look cheap and feel cheap. Meh, no great loss.
Pinch resitance- DAMN good, so damn good. Joe hardly ever got pinches with this tyre, and the biketrials people I ride with share the same view and experiences.
Bounce- Insanely good, insanely... good... Joe's choice tyre for bounce. Again, bounce is very much down to personal preferance and tyre pressure.

Overall: Really really really good tyre, in a nutshell: a Creepy Crawler with most of its flaws improved! Only criticism: papery sidewalls with threads poking through. A must for natural riders.

isn't the Monty eagle Claw 2.6 unlike the try-all and CC?

[gohabsgo333]

I think this is a good threat to post my question.. :p
does someone has ever tried this tyre? http://nodabs.nl/nl/unicycles/banden/onza-sticky-fingers-20x2-5.html
it looks pretty good and cheap!! :rolleyes:
the black rubber= hard rubber
the orange rubber= soft rubber :)

I'm pretty sure Hugo Duguay has one.

[jaco_flans]

I'm pretty sure Hugo Duguay has one.
He had one last summer, I'm not sure if he changed it or if he's still riding it. I'll ask him to make a review here:p

[unicycler100]

My mate has had a freestyle type one and went through it in like a month of constint riding on the road etc etc.

I'm keen to try it out but I've been told by someone at unicon that the suck for trials but are good for street becaus ethe wear down so fast to bald pretty much.

[Unigurd]

I think this is a good threat to post my question.. :p
does someone has ever tried this tyre? http://nodabs.nl/nl/unicycles/banden/onza-sticky-fingers-20x2-5.html
it looks pretty good and cheap!! :rolleyes:
the black rubber= hard rubber
the orange rubber= soft rubber :)

Echo (ALL-BLACK 2007/2008 onwards) and Onza Sticky Fingers
These two tyres are the same model of tyre except the Onza has a coloured stripe down the middle (either redbrown or grey). This tyre is extremely underrated and not as bad as some may think. Joe Hodges used the Onza tyre to win his first British trials championship. Also, the Echo is THE choice tyre for British Biketrials urban riders. Not too great for natural or wet weather though...

Grip- Nothing special at all... little bit better than the old school Monty tyre in this case(refer to old school Monty tyre review above)
Tread pattern- very tightly packed blocks, and very stiff blocks at that! Not too great for grip compared to other tread patterns (e.g. Maxxis, Try-All, Eagle Claw)... but gives low rolling resistance so bike riders love it in this case.
Bounce- Fairly decent actually, seriously. This is the main reason why biketrials riders are using the new Echo for urban... stiff rebound
Pinch resistace- Fine, nothing to worry about as much as Maxxis CC. Average... not terrible, not ground-breaking. Good enough for most riders.
Compound- hard compound... low rolling resistance, but not so grippy in wet. Wears at a similar rate to Luna in past experience (pretty decent)...Sticky Finger's mid-tread compound is softer than the black compound so it wears a little faster.

Overall: Great for urban riders, a nice alternative. But there are better... this is mainly a preferable tyre for biketrials riders. Not so good for natural at all! Similar to Luna in many respects

[tim_desmet]

thanks for the comments :):)

[DSchmitt]

been thinkin about gettin a tryall. think it'd help out?. this has been happening a lot :

YouTube- how do i prevent tire fold?


my tire gets deformed frequently after sidehops..basically, a random spot of the bead barely pops up..so i gotta deflate it, sit it back on correctly, and re- inflate it

[skrobo]

if your rim bottomed out on that, which it looked like it did, more air. Also, you could rotate the tire. the try all is a taller tire. it doesn't necessarily fold more or less, but it has a different feel when you jump and may stay on better...

[emile]

A creepy crawler is the worst tire for tire folding. Getting a Try-All would certainly help, but it also has something to do with your technique.

[brendan]

I had a tryall and it never did that. I'd say either your tyre is duff or your rim is bad. Does it come off randomly or always near the same spot on the rim? because if so try rotating your cranks.

[DSchmitt]

yea that tires done. my last ride on it, i was just warming up, riding around..and the bead just popped off.

i got an onza sticky fingers, haven't put it on yet though.

[UniB]

hey, dschmitt, when you ride on the onza for a while can you post a review. I'd like to here your opinion on it

[unicycler100]

hey, dschmitt, when you ride on the onza for a while can you post a review. I'd like to here your opinion on it

second that

[DSchmitt]

it sux.


only good for riding skinnies, and it's only as good as the cc at skinnies. to me, its bounce is total shit. feels way too firm. cc is 100x more bouncy.

i also struggled for 20 mins(and shed a few gallons of sweat) getting the tire on, it's incredibly hard to get on. broke a couple tire levers doing it. cc is always a 1-2 min job, with not a bead of sweat broke...

-1 for sticky fingers.....

i'll stick with cc until a tryall becomes available without spending 100$ on shipping or something...

[jaco_flans]

hmm, not sure if I'll try it then, I might just stick to the Luna. I tried my Luna again yesterday and only the little bit of riding I did in the street I liked it better than my Friends CC, I'll try it for Trials today, then once my Monty 2.7 worns out I'm back to the Luna... My favorite tire so far!:D

[aidanteleki]

The sticky fingers is for shit........... only okay for flat IMO.

[DSchmitt]

The sticky fingers is for shit........... only okay for flat IMO.

word

[Hugo_Duguay]

And street.

I've been using the Sticky Fingers for street riding and some light trials and flat for almost a year now. Here is my review, on the same structure as Sponge. I feel it will be lacking of many important informations, due to my bad trials technique, but anyway... you could always refer to DSchmitt's and Sponge's.

Grip : I found it surprising. I always gap seat in and I've never slipped, even under wet weather. I've also ridden round wet rails with it without any problem (mostly with you Jakob). However, I can easily tell the difference between this tire and a CC or a Try-all for grip. It's one of the main reason why I love it, it doesn't feel sluggish when turning and twisting.
Tread pattern : Nothing to add about this, similar tread pattern to Luna (tight blocks).
Bounce : I can't tell about this. I am a very poor seat out rider, I thus rarely use pre-hops.
Pinch resistance : Way better than CC, never had a problem with it.
Compound : Like Sponge said, hard compound making it long lasting. Wears a tiny bit faster than the Luna, which is pretty good. After a year, there are still many untouched spots on the tire.

Overall : Good for light trials, very good for street riding. Nice alternative to Luna if it is not available in your country.

Hugo

[unicycler100]

Can someone please post a review on the Nimbus Blizzard tyre???

[jaco_flans]

I just read all the first post to help me decide what tire I will get next, my Old School Monty is wearing really really fast, I've been riding it for 4 months maybe and it's almost slick already. And, I though that maybe I could change or add some things to the Old School Monty...


Monty Elite/Atlas/Salmon wall/Yellow wall/White wall
The original style of Monty tyre, has been around for years and years but discontinued a few years ago. Great bounce, shit grip.

Grip- ergh, not very good at all. It is shocking how badly it grips in the wet. Shall we just say that back about a year ago, me on a Creepy Crawler was beating Joe on an old school Monty at some wet natural because he was slipping so much. In the dry, it's fine.
Compound- very funny compound that is SUPER soft, but not grippy... almost like foam?! Mmm...
Wear-rate- Pretty decent, lasts a fair amount of time with most people, but not as good in this case as the Try-All. Similar to Eagle Claw in this case from my experience and many others'. I say it wears off really really fast, normaly my tires last me a year or so and this one is already almost slick in 4 months.
Pinch resistance- read Monty Eagle Claw, very similar in this case. The Luna is way better for pinch resistance, I've had 5 flats this season, I've had one with my Luna in a whole year.
Bounce- EXTREMELY stiff rebound properties due to the extra extra stiff sidewalls, this was the key feature of the tyre. I loved this tyre for bounce, and hundreds of bike riders would agree. But again, bounce is very much personal preference.
Sidewalls- SUPER thick, and give a hard rebound, shame that threads start appearing over them making it look old extremely quickly. No threads on mine yet, not even a sign of thread appearing.

Overall: Very good if you plan on riding in the dry and on urban. Not so good for wet at all. However... vintage. Also... damn easy to get on and off rims!

I added a few things(what's written in...) . I might go for MEC if I can find where to buy one or either go back to my favorite yet... Luna:)

[Ben_Ceyssens]

Got this tire now: 20 x 2.6 Inch (65-387) Monty Trials Tire.
I love it :). It takes some time to get used to though.

[ThisIsAUsername]

wow, you know your tires... :eek:

[Sponge]

No trials tyres are anywhere near perfect. Yet. Which is a shame.

Even the new Try-All Stiky Lite. But it's currently the best. If gaining a couple of inches in sidehops over a Monty EC tyre for some biketrials riders is good enough, I'd say it's definitely good enough for unis.

But.. in the 26" trials market, they have the Stiky Lite too but it's actually 'better' than its 19" counterpart that we would use. The 26" version has kevlar for starters...

Not only that, the Stiky Lite 26" is NOT the choice tyre. If you've ever heard of the Continental tyres, they are *leaps and bounds* ahead of Try-All and Maxxis. The compound Continental uses for some of their 26" tyres is waaay grippier than Try-All or Maxxis which use 42a for their Stiky Lites/CCs... and the Contis last about as long if not longer. The main thing that people love about Continental Rain King and Der Kaiser tyres is that they are excellent for natural riding. Off-camber surfaces are very sketchy on tyres like Maxxis CCs, and sometimes Try-Alls. Conti DKs and RKs give so much stability. (Der Kaiser and Rain King are Conti's current DH tyres which are now the choice tyre for 26" trials... way overtaking Maxxis and Try-All)

Continental are a fairly open-minded company based in Germany, where their tyres are all handmade in-house by their team. They recently just released trials-specific tyres for 26" bikes. Who knows? They might just release some for 19" if there's enough demand..... If they do, I'm willing to bet it's going to be the best 19" trials tyre available.

http://www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/soc09-continental_03.jpg

[shadymilkman]

Just got my new Nimbus Blizzard (http://www.unicycle.com/whats-up/nimbus-blizard-19-inch-trials-tire.html) yesterday and just got done with my first real ride on it.
The only other trials tire I have ever ridden is the Creepy Crawler so that is all I can compare it to. It is mounted on a stock Nimbus Trials. Installation was fairly easy and done without tire levers.
My first impression is that white tires are awesome looking. The side walls are much thicker than the Creepy Crawler, giving me more of a controlled hop. (no folding over) One other notable characteristic is it has less rolling resistance than the CC and feels a little easier to turn. The tread pattern is very similar to the CC. The Blizzard is the same weight as the CC (according to UDC) and only costs $10 more. I would recommend the Blizzard even if you don't need an indoor tire.
If there is enough interest I can post a few pics.

[mexico7]

pics? yes please :)

[shadymilkman]

Found my camera. Now I wish I had a white clamp and seat. :cool:

[unicycler100]

I too have that tire and love it for trials, Altho putting it on my KH 09 rim was a stragle and I hade to use tire levers to get it on.... I love it for its bounce and rolling, it's so much smoother then the CC

[emile]

I heard it was the same knob pattern and construction as the Onza Sticky finger (minus the soft middle).

[JacobSpera]

that looks exactly like a luna.. except that its white and has nimbus blizzard on it. The lettering of "Bike Trial" looks just like the luna to

[shadymilkman]

I heard it was the same knob pattern and construction as the Onza Sticky finger (minus the soft middle).

+1

The UDC picture (http://www.unicycle.com/onza-sticky-fingers-19-inch-trials-tire.html) even says bike trial on the tire. The Blizzard apparently weighs less still.

[Jamin]

Just got my new Nimbus Blizzard yesterday and just got done with my first real ride on it.
The only other trials tire I have ever ridden is the Creepy Crawler so that is all I can compare it to. It is mounted on a stock Nimbus Trials. Installation was fairly easy and done without tire levers.
My first impression is that white tires are awesome looking. The side walls are much thicker than the Creepy Crawler, giving me more of a controlled hop. (no folding over) One other notable characteristic is it has less rolling resistance than the CC and feels a little easier to turn. The tread pattern is very similar to the CC. The Blizzard is the same weight as the CC (according to UDC) and only costs $10 more. I would recommend the Blizzard even if you don't need an indoor tire.


I got mine recently as well. I've ridden the Creepy Crawler and the Luna before and have a friend that has the Monty.

I replaced the worn out Creepy Crawler with the Blizzard. The walls felt thicker and I knew I would have troubles putting it on my KH rim. Thankfully I warmed up the tyre and it wasn't as much of an issue.

The ride is very smooth as you said. I did measure the weight of the tyre. And it was a fair bit heavier than the Creepy Crawler. However the Creepy crawler had a bit of wear. The Compound of the Blizzard is harder than that of the CC. so I tend to think the CC would be a bit more grippy.

I've only ridden it a little but at this stage I think its more suited to street and flatland riding than trials.

http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=315&pictureid=1764

[unicycler100]

I love the Blizzard for trials because of the thick side walls, I tried riding a CC not to long ago at my old PSI and it just failed so much.... so now I love the Blizzard and dislike the CC

[AlisterBurt]

Just recieved my MEC today, have only used it on skinnys so far but one major plus, I didn't need to use levers to get it on, I've always had to use levers to get my CC on/off and it's a massive pain, no longer a problem! :D
I found the tyre much easier for riding skinnys, not really sure why, i'll come back here when i've tried it with sidehops
let's hope its better for pinch flats too :)

[jaco_flans]

Just recieved my MEC today, have only used it on skinnys so far but one major plus, I didn't need to use levers to get it on, I've always had to use levers to get my CC on/off and it's a massive pain, no longer a problem! :D
I found the tyre much easier for riding skinnys, not really sure why, i'll come back here when i've tried it with sidehops
let's hope its better for pinch flats too :)
You used levers to put your CC on?! I put my friend's CC on with levers, I just switched tire back to my good old Luna and didn't used lever to put it on. I'm gonna go for a little ride and recompare my Luna with my Monty old school.:p

[Sponge]

Nimbus Blizzard-.... Really? It's identical to the Echo tyre (not the Luna tyre) and from biketrials they are pretty average-low end mod tyres. VERY poor grip on anything damp or off-camber (like rocks) compared to the sticky tyres like CC, MEC, Try-All. It's an absoltely foul tyre to say the least and not just because of the colour. I had an Echo tyre on my bike for a while a few years back and disliked its lack of grip and cooperativeness. That being said, it is considered good for bounce... but a Try-All or MEC still totally shits in the Echo/Blizzard tyre's mouth in that department.

See some more Echo tyre reviews for some more accurate reviews on how the Nimbus Blizzard might perform.


Maxxis CC- I always found it was SUPER easy to get on and off the rim... even a DX32. The Echo tyre and Try-All tyres I had were total bitches to take off and fit on in comparison. I'll happily say the Maxxis CC is a great entry-level / mid-card tyre for the average trials rider. But its sidewalls are sucky and will fail you on off-camber obstacles (i.e. slippery slopy gnarly angled rocks). The grip however is awesome.

MEC, CC, and Try-All (Stiky and Stiky Lite) all carry the 42a compound which is far superior to the generic tyre compound they use on Echo/Blizzard tyres for trials. Street riders should enjoy the harder Echo/Blizz tyres more though!


If you can buy it, get a Try-All Stiky Lite!

[Eddbmxdude]

Sponge, check your emails!

PS. How would you compare MEC against the Stiky Lite? Im absolutley loving my MEC at the moment but having a few folding issues.

[jaco_flans]

You used levers to put your CC on?! I put my friend's CC on with levers, I just switched tire back to my good old Luna and didn't used lever to put it on. I'm gonna go for a little ride and recompare my Luna with my Monty old school.:p
I just came back from a little ride. What I noticed is it's really crappy bounce, his tire has really no bounce! For it's grip, I haven't really done anything to compare yet, but it's pretty worned out so I wont really be able to tell a big difference between 2 worned out tires. For now, it's sucks, but I like it:p

I'm going back riding for a little bit!

[unicycler100]

Nimbus Blizzard-.... Really? It's identical to the Echo tyre (not the Luna tyre) and from biketrials they are pretty average-low end mod tyres. VERY poor grip on anything damp or off-camber (like rocks) compared to the sticky tyres like CC, MEC, Try-All. It's an absoltely foul tyre to say the least and not just because of the colour. I had an Echo tyre on my bike for a while a few years back and disliked its lack of grip and cooperativeness. That being said, it is considered good for bounce... but a Try-All or MEC still totally shits in the Echo/Blizzard tyre's mouth in that department.


I have to disagree with you there, I've found it great on rocks that are wet and that's also after riding over wet grass for about 50m. I think it all depends on how much you (the rider) weighs and what air pressure you run...

personal I'm 70kg and run the Blizzard at about 15-20PSI and its perfect for me, I use to run about 25-27PSI in a CC and now that's not enough because I love the side walls on the Blizzard now

[jaco_flans]

I have to disagree with you there, I've found it great on rocks that are wet and that's also after riding over wet grass for about 50m. I think it all depends on how much you (the rider) weighs and what air pressure you run...

personal I'm 70kg and run the Blizzard at about 15-20PSI and its perfect for me, I use to run about 25-27PSI in a CC and now that's not enough because I love the side walls on the Blizzard now
I've found that pretty much every tire run at a low PSI is grippy, my friend's Try-all who runs at like 15/20 PSI maybe was super grippy on rocks, I used to ride mine at like 30 PSI and didn't found it as grippy, same with the CC I tried, it gripped really bad on mine, but it was good on my friends uni. That might just be me though.

[Sponge]

Any tyre on low pressure will have more grip. I bet if someone ran a Try-All on such a low pressure they'd have even more grip.


That being said, if one enjoys riding a tyre like the Nimbus or Echo, it's up to them ultimately!

But looking at tyres scientifically, there is a very good and obvious reason why NO world-class competition rider in biketrials ever uses a tyre like Echo/Nimbus and only use MEC, Maxxis, or Try-All for wet rocks.

I've ridden the Maxxis, Try-All, and Echo for a very long time on both bikes and unis. The Maxxis and Try-All grip is virtually the same as they are both 42a super tacky compound, but the Echo/Nimbus is not trustworthy for wet angled surfaces or angled take-offs. If someone gave you a Stiky Lite, I'm pretty sure you'd never want an Echo/Nimbus for trials again. :)


That being said, who here actually is lucky enough to ride a Stiky Lite? That is one tyre I've never had any personal experience with

[AlisterBurt]

Sponge, what the hell were you doing up at 5AM? :D
on topic, I know that brendan le foll and simon berry both ride the stiky lite! :)

[brendan]

personal I'm 70kg and run the Blizzard at about 15-20PSI and its perfect for me, I use to run about 25-27PSI in a CC and now that's not enough because I love the side walls on the Blizzard now

Well... if you're running that low it'll grip.

I ran the echo tyre aout a year ago. I can't say about the blizzard - but it was a pile of crap. I really liked the bounce and then I took it out in the wet.... wow was that painfull. Took it straight off and sold it half price to a trials biker in near perfect state.

After having ridden the Tryall lite for a while now, I'll say it doesn't have quite as much grip as a CC/MEC. I've slipped doing big gaps on slightly polished rocks where I'm sure my old MEC wouldn't have slipped. However it does bounce better than the CC/MEC. It doesn't keep it's shape nearly as nicely as the MEC so it needs higher pressure for drops/gaps.

Overally I really like it, but I think it's still overpriced. I'll probably buy an MEC when I next buy one. Although I don't think i've ever bought the same tyre twice in a row...I've gone MEC/Tryal white/MEC/Tryall light. To be honest the MEC is the only tyre i've bought twice... incidentally I only got the white tryall because they said at unicon you wouldnt be able to ride indoors without a non marking tyre and trials tyres would be banned. Turned out no one cared, but the white tyre did look cool!

[unicycler100]

I only run it at that pressure because the side walls are as thick as my phone.

[RancidTurnip]

Ok guys I've got some spare cash and I want to get some spare parts -mainly a tire - just so I can have one just in case mine goes offline. I've been reading threads/searching google for almost an hour now and I still can't decide what to get...

I live in Canada and I currently have a very well used CC which is the only tyre I've used, so I don't have any opinions on anything. I ride trials, and I'm in BC so wet conditions are not unlikely. My budget is about $100 CAD, but I also want to get a spare seatpost, tire tube, etc.

Suggestions please. I would love to turn off my brain and just bow down to the communal wisdom of everyone here. :)

[mexico7]

Get just a basic cromo seat post. they're cheap, expendable and solid :) as for a tire, a try all is really nice (try wherestheseat.com or cbtrials or renegade) and of course a Luna is always awesome (for wet conditions, just keep it at a lower psi). just get a standard 19" trials tube and yeah. and for super wet weather get some really grippy pedals too if you need em, like dx's or something :)

[RancidTurnip]

Awesome thanks for the quick reply man! That's mostly what I was thinking, but it's wonderful that you said it all. I now have a plan :D

[brendan]

My budget is about $100 CAD, but I also want to get a spare seatpost, tire tube, etc.

If you're tight on cash don't bother with the try-all it's more expensive and really not better than the CC in my opinion. Get a cheap as chips CC (not a luna if you ride in the wet) and a crmo post. Then grab some nice Wellgo MG-1s because they're quite cheap and very grippy. Or find some DMR V8 copies

[RancidTurnip]

If you're tight on cash don't bother with the try-all it's more expensive and really not better than the CC in my opinion. Get a cheap as chips CC (not a luna if you ride in the wet) and a crmo post. Then grab some nice Wellgo MG-1s because they're quite cheap and very grippy. Or find some DMR V8 copies

Actually Brendan, at my (almost) LBS the Tryall is the same price as the CC - Both $45. I dunno how they managed this feat, but I'm going for the tryall as soon as they get more in stock :D

Just one question though. It's a bike trials shop so they have both front and rear Tryall Sticky's. Which one do I want? Both are on this page. http://www.wherestheseat.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=47_51_58

[AlisterBurt]

you want the rear 19" :)

[RancidTurnip]

Awesome thanks. Now they just need to restock....

[Max_Dingemans]

Awesome thanks. Now they just need to restock....

That could be awhile, you should inquire as to the likely wait time. It might be worth it for you to order from somewhere else if the wait is too long.

[RancidTurnip]

That could be awhile, you should inquire as to the likely wait time. It might be worth it for you to order from somewhere else if the wait is too long.

They will be in stock within the next two weeks, and I have been told that the website will be updated as soon as that happens. I am then free to go pick up my brand new Tryall Sticky for $45 dollars whenever I want. :D

[brendan]

Actually Brendan, at my (almost) LBS the Tryall is the same price as the CC - Both $45. I dunno how they managed this feat, but I'm going for the tryall as soon as they get more in stock :D

In the UK the CC is £18 (~$27) and the Tryall is £35 (~$54) (and the CC can be had with free shipping at that price...)

But I guess if at your LBS they're both as expensive go with whatever you feel like trying! The Tryall does have a nicer construction I just wish they had a block thread.

[AlisterBurt]

brendan, where're you getting the free shipping?
chainreactioncycles has them with free shipping at £16 :D

[brendan]

brendan, where're you getting the free shipping?
chainreactioncycles has them with free shipping at £16 :D

My bad I was looking at the retail price they have an 11% discount. I mean in the UK you have to badly want any tyre to not get a CC... :rolleyes:

btw alister, you're in england did I see you at this BUC?

[Voodoo Unicycles]

Now I have a 47mm wide rim instead of the Nimbus, the bounce of the Monty is amazing. I have it at 40psi and it still compresses nicely. Haven't done any big gaps yet, so not sure on the folding side of things yet. Will report back :)

[jaco_flans]

Now I have a 47mm wide rim instead of the Nimbus, the bounce of the Monty is amazing. I have it at 40psi and it still compresses nicely. Haven't done any big gaps yet, so not sure on the folding side of things yet. Will report back :)
I want an MEC!!! I always ride with a high pressure and with some tire I just can't get bounce out of it. I will order an MEC once I paid my father and my friend for some unicycle stuff:p Oh, and please post a review...:)

[AlisterBurt]

Jakob, I seem to be pretty alone in this, but so far the MEC hasnt been fantastic for me. Hoping it's just that im getting used to the tyre, not that I'm terrible :)

[mexico7]

well, i have only used this tire for a day and a bit now, but I'm p0osting this review now while i has the time :)

Try-All Stiky


Grip- pretty awesome so far :) my first 3 rides (my only three rides) on it were all in the rain and i havent even come close to slipping on the natural trials lines i was doing or over the bar onto the slippery grass. i havent tried it on any skinnys yetbut will after i increase my high jump some more :)

Compound-pretty sweet stuff. side walls are so much better than CC. I run at a pree low pressure when i went for gaps or side hops on my CC and its sidewalls would just crumble like paper. this tire keeps its shape will remaining bouncy and grippy.

Bounce- it still feels a little bit odd after riding nothing else but a CC but I'm getting used to it and liking it. It feels akward when doing a sharp turn while going for a rolling hop for street riding, but it works out. becuase of its ronder shape, its easier to make sharp turns and it doesnt feel loike its draggin on like the CC.


Overall: Extremely nice tyre, which i really like so far. i dont know how long its going to last but right now im hoping it will last forever :)

[knoxuni]

I have been Doing trials in my house any my tire kenda kinetics on a 24 dx has been scuffing my floors. I am getting a k1 white widow for Christmas with black tryall will the try all scuff the floors? And if I'd does what is a good non scuffing tire for someone in the 200 pound plus range?

[jaco_flans]

I have been Doing trials in my house any my tire kenda kinetics on a 24 dx has been scuffing my floors. I am getting a k1 white widow for Christmas with black tryall will the try all scuff the floors? And if I'd does what is a good non scuffing tire for someone in the 200 pound plus range?
Any black tire will make marks on the floors. If you dont want that, you can either get a Nimbus Blizzard or a Try-all in white. But I've heard that the Nimbus Blizzard wasn't that good for Trials.

[knoxuni]

thanks i may look into a blizzard they are 30usd

[thestig]

Any black tire will make marks on the floors. If you dont want that, you can either get a Nimbus Blizzard or a Try-all in white. But I've heard that the Nimbus Blizzard wasn't that good for Trials.

Blizzard = piece of s**t. Worst bounce I've came across in a tire IMO.

[knoxuni]

ok so i should pop for a white try-all for 65 usd or just clean the floor after every ride?

[thestig]

ok so i should pop for a white try-all for 65 usd or just clean the floor after every ride?

Erm I would personally shell out for the try-all :rolleyes: But its your money so whatever I guess. My black try-all does not mark the floor when I ride though :p

[knoxuni]

oh good i have been using my muni for trials. and haven't gotten my k1

[brendan]

Erm I would personally shell out for the try-all :rolleyes: But its your money so whatever I guess. My black try-all does not mark the floor when I ride though :p

You really don't like the nimbus tyre? How does it compare to a luna/echo tyre? Tbh it looks like a white Luna, which is not a good sign in my book. Does it share it's terrible lack of grip?

Btw after a while riding the tryall lite, I really like it, much better than the normal tryalls, but still absurdly expensive and I prefer the block thread, I so still going for CC/MEC as the best tyre.

[thestig]

You really don't like the nimbus tyre? How does it compare to a luna/echo tyre? Tbh it looks like a white Luna, which is not a good sign in my book. Does it share it's terrible lack of grip?

I don't personally own one, but after spending a hour or so playing around on a boy from clubs, I did not like it one bit.

[mexico7]

i love the blizzard for street....its not to smooth but smooth enough for you to not feel the nobs when riding. decent grip looks sexy and super stiff and thick sidewalls. havent pinched yet :P havent tried for trials as there is plenty of ice covering everting where i live right now (well its thawed now but is supposed to all flash freeze for when i get home on sunday

[Sponge]

Luna tyres are totally different to Echo/BikeTrial/Nimbus Blizzard tyres. But that being said, Echo/Blizzard tyres are pretty awful for trials unis. From personal experience. On bikes however, it's OK for a bit of urban riding but it's still not a great choice when there's much much better out there.

Then again, 19" tyres are pretty simple and basic in terms of tyre technology compared to what's on offer in larger MTB sizes.

MEC is great value for money, depending on which country you live in!

[JacobSpera]

word on the street is that blizzard tire equals white luna. These are some of my reasons, everyone seems to hate the luna and everyone seems to hate the blizzard as well. When you look at all the reasons why its the same thing as the luna. Also they look pretty darn the same to me, maybe the blizzard is little different than a luna. Im not 100% sure because i havent actually ridden a blizzard before.

Im a die hard luna fan, out of all the tires i have ever ridden nothing compares to a luna for big street. If i was to ever to ride my 19inch for street again i would take off the tryall and put a blizzard on it.

[Pete23Mid]

If I can add my 2c worth, I've been using Maxxis Creepy Crawler since I bought my uni, maybe about 12 months now. I was rotating cranks so that tire wears evenly and now I really love how it feels, because it is very smooth all around.

[thestig]

I have been using my Tryall for a year now and its been great so far. No noticable tyre fold and it also seems to be wearing slow too.

[knoxuni]

I have been riding the try all for a about a week now and I love it! The grip and bounce is amazing! I would love to try somethig else tho.

[aidanteleki]

i <3 my new try-all light but i wanna know what other people have experienced with it. mine is just beginning to have that white crap come out :/ i dont want more to what can i do? I also love my monty thats over in hungary :D both a fantastic tires!

[saskatchewanian]

I pulled out my trials out for the first time this winter and fooled around in the yard a bit. It had my practically new MEC on and I decided to see how it did in the cold. At -31˚C (-24 F) the sidewalls were a bit stiffer but still flexible, It made for a slow bounce/feel. I sort of liked the feel of the bounce, sort of like a Luna but not quite. Where it let me down was grip. The thing kept slipping out from under me if I put too much force into it.

Compared to a frozen CC it is just better in every way. It doesn't feel like a frozen brick that is covered in ice.

Compared to a frozen Luna it bounces a bit better but feels slower, doesn't grip quite as well but sheds snow better.


I was hopping that I could leave the Monty on all year long but I think I am going to throw my old studded Luna back on for the rest of winter.

[Jagster]

remember peoples - i've got two try-all tyres for sale (see sig) :D
but really only for aussies :)

[danger_uni]

I pulled out my trials out for the first time this winter and fooled around in the yard a bit. It had my practically new MEC on and I decided to see how it did in the cold. At -31˚C (-24 F) the sidewalls were a bit stiffer but still flexible, It made for a slow bounce/feel. I sort of liked the feel of the bounce, sort of like a Luna but not quite. Where it let me down was grip. The thing kept slipping out from under me if I put too much force into it.

Compared to a frozen CC it is just better in every way. It doesn't feel like a frozen brick that is covered in ice.

Compared to a frozen Luna it bounces a bit better but feels slower, doesn't grip quite as well but sheds snow better.


I was hopping that I could leave the Monty on all year long but I think I am going to throw my old studded Luna back on for the rest of winter.
Eric,

Interesting observations - nice to hear some experience from somewhere with a real winter =).

The MEC and CC tires area actually both made by Maxxis, in the same factory. They use the identical rubber compound, and the identical casing. The only difference between the two tires is the tooling used to make the outside tread pattern, and the logos of course. I have a MEC on my uni right now and I do agree it feels slightly different, but I think it is a slight difference in rubber flex due to the slightly different tread.

Kris

[saskatchewanian]

I have a hard time believing that the casings are the same but my opinions on the CC in winter might be a bit skewed.

I was able to compare a new CC with the new MEC this summer the big difference I felt I contributed to sidewall stiffness, both tires had excellent grip and bounce but I thought that the MEC felt more stable and was able to ride a bit softer. I sold the new CC with a wheel about a month later so I can't do a back to back comparison now.

The last CC I used in winter was a few years ago and about half worn and starting to crack. "frozen brick covered in ice" might have been a bit harsh, especially since I was going by memory and not exactly comparing apples to apples. (new to old/worn)

I put my old studded Luna back on this morning and it is still how I remember it, though it has warmed up to -19˚C (-2 F)


Basically I am saying that the MEC seems like a good choice for winter riding but a studded Luna is still king of frozen trials.


All this is sort of moot though since we know that only crazy people ride unicycles in winter right? :cool:

[brendan]

Eric,

Interesting observations - nice to hear some experience from somewhere with a real winter =).

The MEC and CC tires area actually both made by Maxxis, in the same factory. They use the identical rubber compound, and the identical casing. The only difference between the two tires is the tooling used to make the outside tread pattern, and the logos of course. I have a MEC on my uni right now and I do agree it feels slightly different, but I think it is a slight difference in rubber flex due to the slightly different tread.

Kris

Wow. Well that's kind of a kicker for this whole thread.

I've always thought the MEC felt nicer than the CC, but the problem is i'm always comparing an old an battered tyre to a brand new one!

Glad to know there's no point spending the extra on the "monty" logo! (in the uk it's usually ~10 pounds more for an MEC).

[AlisterBurt]

but then, if that's true how come the monty is 2.6" and the CC is 2.5"?
they definitely feel a lot different to me, it took me so long to get used to the MEC.

[danger_uni]

Wow. Well that's kind of a kicker for this whole thread.

I've always thought the MEC felt nicer than the CC, but the problem is i'm always comparing an old an battered tyre to a brand new one!

Glad to know there's no point spending the extra on the "monty" logo! (in the uk it's usually ~10 pounds more for an MEC).
Yes it's a funny one. I looked into producing a new trials tire from scratch (e.g. not just branding an existing mold), and investigated a few factories. That project is shelved at the moment; we'll see how things go in future. But in doing so I ended up talking to a factory manager for Maxxis, in that area of production - that it is where that info came from. Maxxis is a high-end brand affiliated with another company called CST. Maxxis tires are mostly made in Taiwan; CST tires mostly made in China. CST tires are less expensive and use a different rubber compound. They make tires under the CST brand plus quite a few others. I don't know whether CST makes Luna tires, though; it's possible.

[saskatchewanian]

Decided to give the MEC another shot

After only 3 short (10-15min) rides the tire is all cracked up, I will try to post some pictures after I find my camera. I guess that should not be surprising since the rubber is apparently the same as on the CC.

[jaco_flans]

Decided to give the MEC another shot

After only 3 short (10-15min) rides the tire is all cracked up, I will try to post some pictures after I find my camera. I guess that should not be surprising since the rubber is apparently the same as on the CC.
I did ride mine in cold temperatures last week. It cracked, not as bad as my Try-all or my friend's CC did but it did crack. It's not bad, I'm just not going to use anything else than the good old Luna for winter :)

[saskatchewanian]

The promised pic
http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab161/ericpulvermacher/cackedmonty.jpg

[jaco_flans]

It looks pretty bad, all the tires I cracked didn't even looked like this, but I try to only ride my Luna in the cold temperatures. I had a question about cracked tires, since yours looks really bad, can it just rip off? Like could the tire split in 2 and be ruined? I've never had such cracks but I've always wondered this.

[saskatchewanian]

You can usually peel the tread off the casing if you really want to on pretty much any tire but it would be quite unlikely to happen while riding. That rubber is stuck on there pretty good.

[JacobSpera]

i got an old coker and the tire looks like that... ive put some miles on it and havent had any problems with it.

knock on wood haha

[Sponge]

Maybe it's been mentioned before but just as a fresh lowdown:

Some variables to consider with how 'good' a certain tyre may perform/feel:

-Single wall vs double wall rims. Singlewalls like some of the 32h biketrials rims in theory allow more room for bounce since the tube has a greater cavity to fill up.
-Rim width. Wider rims give tyres a squarer profile, narrower ones a more rounded one. Wider is overall just leaps and bounds better for trials riding. More stability, less chance of tyres bottoming out sideways (big problem on Maxxis CCs on 38mm DX32s from personal experience).
-Spoke tension. Yep, this does make a subtle difference. Loose floppy spokes'll make the entire build flex more, detracting from the tyre's bounce itself. Have 'em stiff, but not too stiff! Find a healthy medium and your wheel will love you for it in the long run.
-Tube thickness. 20" tubes vary from the skinniest ultralight weight BMX racing tubes to the fattest 'DH'-carcass type ones meant for trials. Personally I prefer a middle of the road tube leaning more towards the lighter/thinner end. E.g. the Maxxis Welterweight. Thinner tubes have to stretch a bit more to fill the cavity of a 19" tyre and will make a tyre feel different in bounce and stability than a fatter tube. It's personal pref and dependant on your style a little. Those of you lower pressure lovers should aim for fatter tubes, 'cos those lightweight BMX tubes are pretty prone to pinches!

That being said, it still doesn't hurt to have a good tyre to start off with. The MEC is still probably the best value for money tyre performance-wise (at least in terms of UK prices). The 'Biketrial' model, e.g. Echo, Nimbus Blizzard, Onza Sticky Fingers are pretty turd to be fair... and tend to be rounder and narrower than the 'big three' (MEC, CC, Try-All), not to mention a hell of a lot slippier. This is all in terms of trials of course! Maxxis CC isn't all that bad if you have a wide rim (47mm) and a decently high pressure, but you still can't top a Try-All or MEC.

[knoxuni]

I have been riding a try-all for about 4 months and love it! I ride abit of everything. great bounce and still looks new. 5 foot drops dont throw me like my other tire does.

[raymanh]

Maybe it's been mentioned before but just as a fresh lowdown:

Some variables to consider with how 'good' a certain tyre may perform/feel:

-Single wall vs double wall rims. Singlewalls like some of the 32h biketrials rims in theory allow more room for bounce since the tube has a greater cavity to fill up.


Do you know how eddbmxdude is getting on with his 32h, single wall trials?

[knoxuni]

From what I have heard its great.

[SirAnteli]

Nimbus Blizzard review

I got it yesterday and I have tested it only one hour. Here is pic:
http://yksipyoraily.fi/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=2&image_id=69

Grip: Good, I haven't noticed a difference to my previous tire, Try-All.

Tread-pattern: Great! Especially for skinny riding. It feels smooth.

Bounce: I think that bounce could be better, but maybe I didn't test it enough yet and tire pressure was pretty hard.

Sidewalls: I didn't test it yet, but I believe this tire is very good on sidewalls, because of excellent tread-pattern.

Overall: Extremely nice tyre
9,8 / 10

[raymanh]

Very low seat you have there

[Eddbmxdude]

Do you know how eddbmxdude is getting on with his 32h, single wall trials?

Im getting on fine with it. The only issue Im having is trusting it. I still havent done any 5ft+ drops just because I don't fully trust it. Bounce is great though and its super light. Im running a MEC and wouldn't use anything else now.

I wouldn't touch the Nimbus Blizzard with a barge pole!

[knoxuni]

edd: what rim is it?

[Eddbmxdude]

edd: what rim is it?

Its the Onza Pro Diamond. http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/19_inch_rims/onza_pro_diamond_rear_19_inch/c517p11186.html

[Sponge]

I wouldn't touch the Nimbus Blizzard with a barge pole!

This is true. The original black versions (i.e. Echo) are similarly shit for anything properly trials. On bikes they're OK...ish for in-the-dry TGS riders.

[knoxuni]

any tire updates?

[kamikaze]

I originally ordered a Try-All with my KH20. The plan was to switch tyres (from the CC that came with the KH20) when I would feel severely limited by the CC.

I don't have nearly enough time and am making 0 progress. Still struggling with basic skills like hopping in place to keep my balance.
The only thing I feel I've mastered so far is riding down stairs. It's just a matter of putting on enough safety gear to overcome my fear.

So today my lack of progress frustrated me so much that I decided to switch the tyre now. I just went outside and everything has become a lot easier with the try-all. I actually managed to hop up a curb to my right (with the CC I only can hop to the left). Bouncing in place also worked much better.

Conclusion, start learning with the best gear available to you. Don't make it more difficult than it has to be.

[finnspin]

I slicked my Try-all(old, non-light) a while ago, and I'm totally in love with it :)

I like the smooth feeling while riding, and as long the obstacle is dry it has an even better grip than a regular one:D:D
But it's not good for Railriding and wet conditions:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[kamikaze]

Tried to ride on some tram rails yesterday, completely failed.

I should practice this regularly.

Edit: Sorry for being Off topic. I just missed the last tram home for this night. And I've got the KH20 with me, instead of the 26", so I'll stay and work through the night. Aargh.

[skilewis74]

It's prob been said in here somewhere but I didn't see it.

Which tire give would the most tread life for my dollar, excluding all other qualities.

The only Echo I can find is the Supa (http://webcyclery.com/echo-supa-trial-tire-p-1516.php), which seems different than when I looked a few years ago. Anybody tried it? How's it different from others?

I can't find a Luna anywhere anymore.

I don't think I'd mind the sidewalls of a CC getting ratty, like I've read frequent reports of.

It seems from what I've read here the Try-All has the best life, but also costs the most.

[mexico7]

you can buy the luna here
www.bedfordunicycles.ca
just fire darren an email and he'll be glad to help you out. he\s a great guy and last i checked he still had quite a few in stock....should probably be about 30 bucks CAD and he does ship int.
i have the blizzard. ive ridden it for a year and it shows pretty much no wear at all.
my buddy across the street used to ride with me....he has a luna. the blizzard is a white luna, the only difference i can see visualy is the name, colour and the blizzard doesnt have all the little hairs on it.
there is also the onza sticky fingers. it is also a harder compund trials tire like these. it also apparently lasts a very long time, although it is more expensive and apparently the grip is even sh*ttier.
I have a try all on my bc wheel and i love it. the bounce feels way different then your typical square clock trials tire....however in saying that it has awesome grip, very little rolling resistance. i rode it for a year on my trials and the spot i hopped on wore down about a third of the way....then again this was when i used to have lots of time to uni and i was out every day for an hour at least (i wish i still had this time :( )
there are many old school tires that were hard compund that last long. i think tartybikes.co.uk still sells the ol`school echos which also lasted a long time from what i hear. most tires that are soft compound (monty EG, Maxxiss CC, etc) wear fast as a general rule than tires like the luna, however have better grip. the echo supa trials tire is soft compound so i dunno it might wear faster it might not lol.
i personally like the luna and try all style. i havent ridden the new try all, i mean the old one. i still ride them both......i hated the cc...personally:rolleyes:
hope this helps

[knoxuni]

I have ridden a OLD monty EG and a CC and a try all and the try all is the best of all of them in my opinion!

[Sponge]

Tryall has good wear life. Soft/grippy doesnt always mean fast wearing.

Stay away from Echo. Just for the pure fact that it's LETHAL in any dampness.

[Samstoney]

I'm learning how to ride on a k1 Black Domina and a 20x2.5 Tryall Stiky tire. Rim appears to be a 15". Nice tire, but really aggressive for what I'm currently doing, which is mostly pavement riding with some lawn thrown in; I want to learn hopping and trials, but I'm months, maybe years away from needing a tire like this and would prefer something with a bit less rolling resistance.

Question 1: in spite of absolutely nothing measuring or indicating 19", I'm thinking this is a 19" setup, correct?

Question 2: what would be a better newbie tire - something with a little (or maybe a lot) less tread, and a little less sticky? I wouldn't mind keeping the bounce of a big fat tire like this though, it encourages me to try to hop, at least.

thanks,

Sam

[Julia B]

1) Yep, that's probably the 19" Black Domina. If you post a picture someone will tell you for sure, but it sounds like it.

2) Unfortunately I don't think any company makes a smooth 19" tire, they're all manufactured for trials bikes where there's no demand for a smooth tire, and then put on trials unicycles. If you really want too you could shave the tire (cut the nubs off individually with a razor), but I wouldn't recommend it because it takes a lot of time, plus it's a waste of a great tire. You could try raising your tire pressure though, that might help with the rolling resistance, and the tire will wear naturally over time so that'll help as well.

Hope that helps!

[saskatchewanian]

Yup a 15" rim means you have a "19" inch wheel.

19" is not really a measurement, the only reason people use that number is to differentiate between a trials wheel and a standard BMX wheel. (BMX wheels use a 16" rim) Both have an outside tire diameter of 20"

Lots of people shaved 19" tires to make high volume slicks. The Try-All tire you have is considered to be very good for shaving but it is also a really good trials tire and quite expensive.

Personally I would buy whatever 19" tire you can find cheep (maybe a Nimbus Blizzard or Luna Trials) and shave that keeping your Try-All for when you want to do trials. I have a shaved Luna on one of my unicycles and really like the feel.

[knoxuni]

you can get a blizzard from UDC US for 30$ would be better rolling than a try-all

[Samstoney]

Thanks everyone; I don't really need a slick, i just want something less sticky. I think I'll save the Try-all for later and order a Blizzard.

Sam

[kamikaze]

What kind of tyre is on the KH flat? I'd expect it would fit on a trials rim and is supposed to roll more smoothly.

[knoxuni]

its a normal 20 in rim. its a maxxis grifter

[danger_uni]

The 20" rim & Grifter combo on the KH20 flatland is lighter than a trials tire could ever be (Grifter is 1/2 the weight of the CC), with the lateral support of a 47 mm wide rim on one of the the lightest weight higher volume BMX freestyle tires. You can flip it, but it's aimed at riders with a rolling-oriented flatland style.

Kris

[ezy]

i really want to shave a tire. i have a cc at the moment that iv had for 6 months and its not to worn. i want to shave either this or a nimbus blizard because its cheap. i have read about the advantages and disadvantages but really i just think it would look sick to have a shaved tire. since the blizard is a colorful luna and i know that lunas arnt the best, i was wondeing if, when shaved, it wouldnt matter as mutch. also, could you give me a good youtube link for a how to. thanks

[knoxuni]

I have ridden a few tires hard the past few weeks. i have ridden a old monty and a CC and blizzard and try-all old. and try all still takes the cake. i got a MEC on the way :D

[muni123]

I have ridden a few tires hard the past few weeks. i have ridden a old monty and a CC and blizzard and try-all old. and try all still takes the cake. i got a MEC on the way :D

out of the tires i have ridden i agree with knoxuni, the try-all is awesome

[knoxuni]

It is the cream of the crop. i have been riding the try-all light it feels alot like the normal one but still dont like it. the light would be better for lighter rider but not me :)

[knoxuni]

OK i am going to review my opinion of all my tires i have ridden in a timely manor.
6'3-4
210 lbs
Aggressive hopper
Natural terrain

All mounted on a koxx street rim with a 3in tube

CC: I took it out of the box and its light. but it has thin side walls with the tread has a harder casting than the side walls. I pumped it up and found a PSI i like. I rode around and it felt good. I went to do a hop and the tire folded over. I put more air in it, and still got fold. I then once i put more air in it the tire became to hard to hop so i couldn't find a good psi so i sold the tire.

Nimbus Blizzard: I got this one half used from a friend. it has stiff side walls and casting and quite heavy. I mounted it up and found a good bouncing PSI and once i started to ride it a bit i went to side hop and it compresses and decompressed with no hop it was weird.

Try-All sticky light: This is the lightest feeling tire of the bunch but is had a good feeling side wall and tread. I started doing side hops and it felt great the 2nd best one out of the bunch. The only reason i quit riding it is because it felt thin.

Try-All sticky: this is the tire im running now. Its stiff but light with unreal traction. it bounces good and not super picky on PSI. it has nice side walls and tread. I have ridden it for about 2 months and all i can say is perfection.


I am looking for another tire to get next spring i am looking a monty race light or a MEC what would you recommend.

[Siddhartha Valmont]

Hey guys,

as anyone ever tried the Impact Trial tire ?

I finally jumped in an building a 19in wheelset and as I wanted a white tire other than the Blizzard (because of the mixed reviews) and there was no TryAll available at Renegade.

I will try to provide some feedback once my wheelset is up and running but it will be mostly with my MUni background :D

[unihopper]

Hey guys,

as anyone ever tried the Impact Trial tire ?

I finally jumped in an building a 19in wheelset and as I wanted a white tire other than the Blizzard (because of the mixed reviews) and there was no TryAll available at Renegade.

I will try to provide some feedback once my wheelset is up and running but it will be mostly with my MUni background :D

The Impact trials tire looks identical to the Blizzard. The tread pattern is exactly the same, and on websites both are listed at the same weight. It could be made with a different rubber compound or be different in some other way, but I would guess that it will perform the same as the Blizzard.

[knoxuni]

I read somewere that the nimbus blizzard and the impact are the same tire but i cant find it at the moment.

[CJCrates]

I've had my Nimbus Blizzard for about 6 months now. The tread is holding up fine, but after hearing how poorly it performs compared to other tyres, along with it's excessive weight I feel like I should get something new. Only problem is, I'm kinda in the mindset that I need to get another white tyre. I've got an eclipse frame and red Nimbus inferno rim so the white tyre works really well with the style and I feel a black tyre would just make the whole thing look too sinister. :p

I have managed to find a white try-all sticky light available for around £50 (converted) but that's really steep and I feel like I'd destroy the tread on the tyre way too fast. 6'8" (2.03m) and around 14st (87kg).

On a side note, how good is the cyko-light, it's the same pattern as the blizzard so I'm hoping the sidewalls are equally as strong?

[muni123]

6'8" (2.03m) and around 14st (87kg).

Wow:eek: your tall. how long is your seat post?

[saskatchewanian]

If the Blizzard is holding up fine I would just stick with it, especially if you aren't having any trouble with grip, bounce, etc.

I would guess that the Cyco-Lite would have lighter flimsier sidewalls due to it's lighter weight but they may have pulled off a materials and design miracle while keeping the cost down. :p

[CJCrates]

Wow:eek: your tall. how long is your seat post?

300mm. But then I do have a 300mm long neck to go with it. :p

[aarons]

I have managed to find a white try-all sticky light available for around £50 (converted) but that's really steep and I feel like I'd destroy the tread on the tyre way too fast. 6'8" (2.03m) and around 14st (87kg).


It took me more than a year and half to wear through a try-all sticky. They're pretty durable. It depends on how you ride though.

[muni123]

It took me more than a year and half to wear through a try-all sticky. They're pretty durable. It depends on how you ride though.

What does wear through mean to you?

[CJCrates]

What does wear through mean to you?

To me it means the center of the tyre has become a slick with no tread depth left. I do actually know a guy who's had his for 2 years so far, but he doesn't really do much riding on it. The main concern for me is, I've only really had trials experience on the Blizzard so I don't know how I'd find the extra bounce and flex in the sidewalls of a lighter tyre. Would a tyre like the try-all require a bit of time to get used to or would it just pretty much feel instantly better out of the box?

[muni123]

I went from a 20 inch freestyle running around 45-50psi to a try-all light. It took maybe an hour or two to get used to but then it was miles better.

[Eddbmxdude]

I've had my Nimbus Blizzard for about 6 months now. The tread is holding up fine, but after hearing how poorly it performs compared to other tyres, along with it's excessive weight I feel like I should get something new. Only problem is, I'm kinda in the mindset that I need to get another white tyre. I've got an eclipse frame and red Nimbus inferno rim so the white tyre works really well with the style and I feel a black tyre would just make the whole thing look too sinister. :p

I have managed to find a white try-all sticky light available for around £50 (converted) but that's really steep and I feel like I'd destroy the tread on the tyre way too fast. 6'8" (2.03m) and around 14st (87kg).

On a side note, how good is the cyko-light, it's the same pattern as the blizzard so I'm hoping the sidewalls are equally as strong?

If you're serious about getting a decent tyre I'd sack off the white tyres. Don't use the Nimbus tyres if you want decent bounce. The CC, Monty or Try-all are definitely the best trials tyres by a long way. I wouldn't touch the Blizzard or Cyko-lite with a barge pole (Sorry Roger :o)!

[knoxuni]

For real! i am tall and heavy 220# on avrage. the blizard has no bounce or grip and my 2 favorite is the try all and the mec once you make sure its got alot of air!

[CJCrates]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm seriously considering getting that white try-all sticky light. I'm going on a ride in London this weekend so I'll ask people there and if the consensus stays the same I may well end up taking the plunge. :)

[aarons]

What does wear through mean to you?

For me it meant I had worn through the rubber and could see the threads. I had also turned it on the rim a few times so that it wore evenly all the way around.

I wore out the tread faster than that. But the rubber grips pretty well even without tread on it.

[skilewis74]

If the Blizzard is holding up fine I would just stick with it, especially if you aren't having any trouble with grip, bounce, etc.

I would guess that the Cyco-Lite would have lighter flimsier sidewalls due to it's lighter weight but they may have pulled off a materials and design miracle while keeping the cost down. :p
Has anyone here who've ridden other tires actually used the Cyco?

First hand opinions?

[knoxuni]

I rode one twice and was not impressed. I blew it off the rim with a small drop