WTB USED KH CF seatbase(seat?)

[skrobo]

title says it all. i have $50 ... i'm looking for used, not harshly abused.

[skrobo]

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[UniDudeDX]

doubt your going to get one. people like their cf bases...

[wickedbob]

Yeah, save up and get a new one if you can.

[skrobo]

eh
its worth a shot
i'll do that when i exhaust ALL other options. $100 for a CF seatbase is absurd.
don't argue it, i have made a seatbase from fiberglass, i may make my own CF if i can't find a used one.

[UniDudeDX]

nice i was just about to suggest that...

[Cps10]

eh
its worth a shot
i'll do that when i exhaust ALL other options. $100 for a CF seatbase is absurd.
don't argue it, i have made a seatbase from fiberglass, i may make my own CF if i can't find a used one.


Finally someone who realizes how overpriced the carbon fiber product group is.

[UniDudeDX]

yea it is...

[wickedbob]

Not really that overpriced. I seat is like 50$ so you break to that is the price of one base. If you don't like it get a heavy stiffener plate made out of steel. I am sure you could even make your own with limited tools. I know you have done this stephen, this is to the others.

[isaac steiner]

I think they are over priced.....

[agentQ]

You guys are complaing about 100 dollar part that with change the way you uni, forever. The price is fine. Anyone thats riding a 300 dollar or more uni should be able to justify paying 100 more for a CF base. If that is to much for you, then deal with breaking plastic seats.....you will spend much more money breaking seats and post than if you got a CF base and crmo post. You gotta spend a bit more at once but you will clearly be saving money in no time.
Me, I Plan on paying more than 100 for a Scott Wallis base when they are avalible again. It will be worth every penny.

[Brian O.]

I totally agree with AgentQ, for how much the CF base changes how you ride and the feel of your uni it is more than worth the $100 dollars especially considering that they are all individually hand made. If I had the choice between riding my old torker trials uni with a CF base and my brand new Nimbus ISIS with KH moment cranks and no CF base - there is not a single doubt in my mind that I would take the torker with CF base.

[forrestunifreak]

For that price (And it ends up more then $100) you should at least not have to drill your own holes.


That's pretty lousy.

[mornish]

you should buy them from udc.uk or mdc.


they are still $80 from them, and shipping for something so small and light shouldn't be much.

[oneisenough]

You guys are complaing about 100 dollar part that with change the way you uni, forever. The price is fine. Anyone thats riding a 300 dollar or more uni should be able to justify paying 100 more for a CF base. If that is to much for you, then deal with breaking plastic seats.....you will spend much more money breaking seats and post than if you got a CF base and crmo post. You gotta spend a bit more at once but you will clearly be saving money in no time.
Me, I Plan on paying more than 100 for a Scott Wallis base when they are avalible again. It will be worth every penny.
ok i dont know that much about them, but how do they "change the way you ride"?

again i am not argueing, i am just asking. I dont know that much and would liketo be more educated about it.

thanks

[Cps10]

Go buy the carbon fiber and resin required for building one of those seats. I can guarantee that mount of carbon fiber will cost no more than 50 bucks. You chuck that all in a mold/vac bag with some resin and you are done.

[sp4rky-m4rky]

ok i dont know that much about them, but how do they "change the way you ride"?

again i am not argueing, i am just asking. I dont know that much and would liketo be more educated about it.

thanks

I used to snap my stiffner plate every few weeks and it got so anoying having to take it apart weld it together and fit it again I decided to buy a CF base. I have only just finished fitting mine and havnt been out riding with it much (maybe an hour or two) but I can already say that it is loads better than the plastic ones with steel stiffner plates. The base is soo stiff it gives me great confedence in atempting tricks and It feels so much nicer and solid. Whereas with the standard basses when you land tricks you feel it bend and know its not going to be long before it breaks again. If you break your stiffner do not hesitate in buying a CF base. Or even better if you have the money buy one now. I am just learning to sideways ww and even with all my weight on the saddle you cant feel it flex at all.

[sp4rky-m4rky]

Go buy the carbon fiber and resin required for building one of those seats. I can guarantee that mount of carbon fiber will cost no more than 50 bucks. You chuck that all in a mold/vac bag with some resin and you are done.

If your so sure you should definatly try it.
I believe the carbon fibre mat is pretty exspensive and so would the mould and vacume so that would probably cost more than buying the base. Then laying it up isnt that easy (if you havnt done it before) so you will probably waste alot. In the end you will probably end up paying more for a product that will be weaker and worse made and take you more effort.

[skrobo]

i could see a few nondrilled ones for GB4's and such, but yeah i def. agree with that

[oneisenough]

what stuff do you guys do to break bases?:confused:

i do a lot of decent drops (from 4-6ft), and i have not even came close to breaking the seat base. i broke my LX handle like 1 1/2 yrs ago b4 i had a trials, but that was just the handle on LX. i just think it would take a lot to break my base

[sp4rky-m4rky]

what stuff do you guys do to break bases?:confused:

i do a lot of decent drops (from 4-6ft), and i have not even came close to breaking the seat base. i broke my LX handle like 1 1/2 yrs ago b4 i had a trials, but that was just the handle on LX. i just think it would take a lot to break my base

Genraly street. Landing with the seat the wrong round doesnt seem to do it alot of good and when you land right on the end of the saddle by the handle and sideways wwing and stuff. Trials is fine genraly because I ride it mainly SIF.

[agentQ]

what stuff do you guys do to break bases?:confused:


Sometimes I just look at em funny and they break, haha. For real tho, any kind of tircks break em for me. Landing on the front of the seat, from flips or spins and what have you, and pulling up from hops wears right threw the metal stif'ner plate; it eventualy snaps. The same motions break right through ALU posts.
CF base is by far the best thing since sliced bread or splined hubs, which ever you like better.

[Jerrick]

what stuff do you guys do to break bases?:confused:

i do a lot of decent drops (from 4-6ft), and i have not even came close to breaking the seat base. i broke my LX handle like 1 1/2 yrs ago b4 i had a trials, but that was just the handle on LX. i just think it would take a lot to break my base


To some it up. Bad form and landing wrong.

I do big drops too, and street stuff, like unispins and crankflips, and if you land wrong, a lot of the weight goes right onto the front of the saddle, and that abuse easily breaks the plastic bases.

Im just glad I quickly correct myself with my form so I land on the pedals first, then allow myself to just sit back onto the seat.

[sp4rky-m4rky]

Im just glad I quickly correct myself with my form so I land on the pedals first, then allow myself to just sit back onto the seat.

Dam why didnt I think of that.

Its not as easy as that, you cant ensure you will never land on the end of the seat when doing tricks and then you cant ensure that it wont break when doing another trick. CF bases are better in almost all respects. If you break your base, know/think your going to break it or just have cash lying around, buy one, there great.

[agentQ]

To some it up. Bad form and landing wrong.

Im just glad I quickly correct myself with my form so I land on the pedals first, then allow myself to just sit back onto the seat.

Dude that made me laugh.... I think riding hard has a much bigger part in broken seats than this so called "bad form". Sure if you ride perfecty you may never break a seat, but even the best will have a bad landing, trying to crankflip a 6 or 7 set, now and again.

[oneisenough]

a lot of the weight
well theirs my reason why i dont break them:D , i only weight about 100 lbs:p

i also dont do "big" street by anymeans, i am mainly a trials rider who plays with street now and again.

[dman1234]

I've made my own CF base. It took a bit of work and planning but the second one that I made turned out very nice. If you make your own just don't expect it to turn out perfect the first time. I may decide to make some more and sell them for like $50-$60, but right now I'm simply too busy.

[Brian O.]

Dude that made me laugh.... I think riding hard has a much bigger part in broken seats than this so called "bad form". Sure if you ride perfecty you may never break a seat, but even the best will have a bad landing, trying to crankflip a 6 or 7 set, now and again.
I agree, what Jerrick said was a bit ridiculous. If you are going big you are going to break the base. No matter how good your form is, if you are pushing yourself it will happen. You aren't riding hard enough if your plastic base isn't breaking. :)

[qhxakg]

I've made my own CF base. It took a bit of work and planning but the second one that I made turned out very nice. If you make your own just don't expect it to turn out perfect the first time. I may decide to make some more and sell them for like $50-$60, but right now I'm simply too busy.
It loooks preety good how does it ride?
I would probably be interested in the future if you were to make some more.

[wickedbob]

Yeah, of course your going to land hard pushing yourself. Flipping an 8set for the first time your bound to make a mistake. Or anything really. I have felt my seat flex when trying some things like 180's off anything. Cf is a nice investment.

That is like saying there is no reason to have splines if you have good form. All that breaks cortless hubs is bad form. If you correct yourself you will be fine haha.

[zfreak220]

I've made my own CF base. It took a bit of work and planning but the second one that I made turned out very nice. If you make your own just don't expect it to turn out perfect the first time. I may decide to make some more and sell them for like $50-$60, but right now I'm simply too busy.
I'd buy one.

[Brian O.]

That is like saying there is no reason to have splines if you have good form. All that breaks cortless hubs is bad form. If you correct yourself you will be fine haha.
Excellent example!

[oneisenough]

i've felt it flex, but i just dont think 100 pounds is enough to break one with the trials stuff that i do. street may be harder on parts. idk.

[dman1234]

hey qhxakg, It feels really nice, CF is a pretty amazing material. Hopefuly I'll get some more made over thanksgiving or winter break.

[qhxakg]

hey qhxakg, It feels really nice, CF is a pretty amazing material. Hopefuly I'll get some more made over thanksgiving or winter break.
Yeah that would be awesome pm me when you do so i can pick one up. I should have money at thanksgiving i think and i defiantly will after winter

[skrobo]

may i please have one if you do?

i made a fiberglass one that i was happy with(broke) ... i had to destroy the mold though :(

PM sent

[dman1234]

I use epoxy resin because it's generally stronger than polyester, though unfortunately harder to find. I got a pretty good deal on the carbon fiber, I think it was about $40 for a 10" x 120" sheet.

[Jerrick]

Harsh.

Dont tell me about about going "Big". Are 8+ foot drops, and 10-sets not big enough, or should I just start measuring by one floor, 2nd floor? From the videos I see on here, most of you guys arent going that big anyways.

I didnt say if you go big and push yourself you wont break anything, im just saying if you land better, the chance you have to break something goes down by a lot.

Also, I never said anything about a "perfect" rider, or anything dissing CF bases, so I dont know why you guys brought that up, and for me, it is easy for me to correct my form. When learning crankflips, I messed up a lot, landing on the seat, so I watched what I was doing, and fixed it. For a recent drop I did, I wrecked my first time, felt the seat bend, and thought about how I went off the drop, realizing my mistake, I fixed it, and now land it just how I stated before, weight going into the wheel, then myself lowering into the saddle later. I never knew correcting your form was so shunned upon, but I guess that's why everyone wants long neck frames, and curved frames.

And I think that one comparison of bases to hubs was shit. Your weight is always going to be directly connected with your hub. The saddle, does not have to have any weight/force going onto it when landing drops.

Anyways, now that that is all cleared up, CF bases are ok. Id get one, but dont have the money yet, and wont for a while, but I dont mind. Wish they were cheaper, like they used to be a few months ago.

As for the completely different feeling some of you typed about it, I didnt feel it. I noticed the stiffness, but that was the only thing different. Not saying that that is bad, so dont jump on me for it, just saying what I felt after switching from CF and plastic bases for about a year or two now.

[sp4rky-m4rky]

When learning crankflips, I messed up a lot, landing on the seat, so I watched what I was doing, and fixed it.

What Im saying is that just because you can land a super smooth perfect crankflip doesnt mean your never going break a plastic base and need a CF base. Obviously no one lands everything perfectly and gets things wrong so if you keep on pushing yourself and continue to learn new tricks and attempt new things you will break your seat and will most likley end up forking out the money and buying a cf base.

[agentQ]

Jerrick,
I dont think our comments were ment to be harsh. We were simply trying to explain that "nobody" is "better" than CF, no matter how good the form. What you said sounds pretty full of yourself and maybe some of us with CF took it as a low blow(I know you cant afford it right now, so whatever helps you sleep at night). No one was attacking the idea of good form. Great form is wonderfull, everyone should strive for it, most of us do(...ahh I think its a natural ambition in a sport like this). Tho parts are still gonna break. Perfect form may save yer seat a bit longer but c'mon...in real life were always gonna make mistakes in this sport. Also, perfect form cant allways happen outside the box and thats where you learn new tricks and push your limits. Thats what us humans do push limits. Sometimes we make mistakes, we learn from them, correct them, and move on pushing more limits and making more mistakes. Robots are the ones that act perfect. CF gives you the extra bit of strength allowing us to go outside the box and get new tricks into your bag. Good form wont do that it will just make those tricks happen cleaner and safer.

Good form is like the final copy of a paper after much proof reading. CF is like spellchecker on your computer, a tool you use to help work towards you final outcome.

You cant possibly say that we wouldnt break stuff if we rode better, and get away with it. Yer just asking for your comment to be attacked.
I can say for sure that it is easier to work on your form and overall cleanliness of your riding if you dont have a broken seat. One way to ensure that is to rig your uni with CF.
I think whenver you put yourself or your idea up on a pedastal ('specialy online), you are asking to get knocked down.

[forrestunifreak]

I recently broke a KH style seatbase (actually broke the stiffening plate the bolts go onto) doing almost entirely flatland and crankflips on flat ground.

Landing hard on the crankflips is what broke it.

[Jerrick]

What Im saying is that just because you can land a super smooth perfect crankflip doesnt mean your never going break a plastic base and need a CF base. Obviously no one lands everything perfectly and gets things wrong so if you keep on pushing yourself and continue to learn new tricks and attempt new things you will break your seat and will most likley end up forking out the money and buying a cf base.

Yeah, duh. That's what I already said, but landing smooth, with minimal weight on the seat will keep your base going longer, even if you are pushing yourself.

Jerrick,
I dont think our comments were ment to be harsh. We were simply trying to explain that "nobody" is "better" than CF, no matter how good the form.

They weren't that harsh, but very contradicting to the facts I was pointing out. There's no denying that if you land right, the chance of breaking something is going down, thats all I put. Then I mentioned my own experience with my riding and you guys come to shoot me down. Ill say it again, just like in my last posts, CF is great/ok, whatever you want to say to describe it, but plastics can go a long time too.

What you said sounds pretty full of yourself and maybe some of us with CF took it as a low blow(I know you cant afford it right now, so whatever helps you sleep at night).

Nah, nothing up there was me being full of myself. Money is only an issue for me right now because I just bought a new guitar amp, a new truck, and a new computer, so within a week I have spent over $4,000, I am also saving up for college, so a lot of money goes to that. I get paid today too, so I could order a CF in the next few hours if I really wanted to. lol

No one was attacking the idea of good form. Great form is wonderfull, everyone should strive for it, most of us do(...ahh I think its a natural ambition in a sport like this).

I was saying that because of an earlier post, I dont remember what user it was but when I mentioned how I fix my form when I notice it is off, they just laughed and kinda gave the impression that creating my form was nonexistent and couldn't be true.

Tho parts are still gonna break. Perfect form may save yer seat a bit longer but c'mon...in real life were always gonna make mistakes in this sport. Also, perfect form cant allways happen outside the box and thats where you learn new tricks and push your limits.

I know, I already said this in my last post.

Thats what us humans do push limits. Sometimes we make mistakes, we learn from them, correct them, and move on pushing more limits and making more mistakes. Robots are the ones that act perfect. CF gives you the extra bit of strength allowing us to go outside the box and get new tricks into your bag. Good form wont do that it will just make those tricks happen cleaner and safer.

Haha, I know what humans do. I know that CF is stronger, and has a less chance of breaking when doing new/harder things. I have agreed with that all before.

Good form is like the final copy of a paper after much proof reading. CF is like spellchecker on your computer, a tool you use to help work towards you final outcome.

Hehe, for me getting a non-broken plastic base back is me getting an A on good form. Haha.

You cant possibly say that we wouldn't break stuff if we rode better, and get away with it.

I could, but thats not true. I can say what I have said earlier in here already, which is riding better will decrease the chance of breaking something.

Yer just asking for your comment to be attacked.
I can say for sure that it is easier to work on your form and overall cleanliness of your riding if you dont have a broken seat. One way to ensure that is to rig your uni with CF.
I think whenver you put yourself or your idea up on a pedastal ('specialy online), you are asking to get knocked down.

I wasnt asking. Of course its easier to ride with a good seat, but who here is riding a broken one? lol. OF course a CF seat will hold up better, as it wont break as easily from landing wrong and messing up. Of course when your online your gonna get knocked down, no matter how right you are, people still want to argue, and that makes it fun.

Seriously though, can this be over? You both have agreed on the fact landing right and all that lessens the chance of not breaking something. LESSENS! lol. And I never said that CF was bad. I wouldnt be wanting a SW base with SIF grips, and a Thomson post if I though CF was bad. Anyways, yeah, this is just gonna start going in circles if it keeps going. Actually, it has already started to go in a circle.

Now back on topic.

Good luck, Skrobo. Hopefully someone one has a used one just laying around or something.

And Dman, I would like pictures and details of your bases. You can send them through a PM. Thanks.

[iasrbs]

I wouldnt mind having one...its just that....I dont really want to pay around $100 for it...because I havent broke one yet....But my seat at the back is kinda flexy..whats with that? Are all of them like that?

[Jerrick]

I wouldnt mind having one...its just that....I dont really want to pay around $100 for it...because I havent broke one yet....But my seat at the back is kinda flexy..whats with that? Are all of them like that?

Not all of them all. Your plastic is probably stressed, and there is a chance that your stiffener plate may be broken too.

Do you have a KH seat?

[isaac steiner]

Not all of them all. Your plastic is probably stressed, and there is a chance that your stiffener plate may be broken too.

Do you have a KH seat?



Yeah its a KH Fusion Street....I am iasrbs..well not anymore

[Jerrick]

Yeah its a KH Fusion Street....I am iasrbs..well not anymore


Haha ok. Since its a KH seat, with the pull string cover, you should take the cover off real quick, and the foam, and just check if the plate is still one piece, and look for any stress marks on the plastic.

[oneisenough]

do all of the KH style seats have stiffeners? like would my qu-ax seat have a stiffener, or is that just a KH brand thing?

[Brian O.]

do all of the KH style seats have stiffeners? like would my qu-ax seat have a stiffener, or is that just a KH brand thing?
They all have it, but its not really even a stiffener. Its so thin that all it really does is hold the bolts in place.

[oneisenough]

ahhh. i see

[skrobo]

yeahhh
thats how it goes
and the back of any regular velo plastic seat IS FLEXY thats all there is to it...