36" Triton Sponge

[lpounds]

Does anyone have any experience with one of these built up (possibly sponge himself?) How does it compare in terms of weight to the new Big one?

[Brian O.]

Do you mean just a titanium 36" frame in general? I think the only titan frames are the two trials ones Sponge posted.

[unisk8r]

If there ever was a 36" ti frame, I doubt we'd need a review.

[kington99]

Does anyone have any experience with one of these built up (possibly sponge himself?) How does it compare in terms of weight to the new Big one?


No, one has yet to be built.

[qhxakg]

Do you mean just a titanium 36" frame in general? I think the only titan frames are the two trials ones Sponge posted.
gazza said he could do any size

the 19 is the stiffest trails so i doubt the 36 would be bad.

[Sponge]

So far, only two 19" trials versions exist. A 36" would be no problem at all, but by no means has one been manufactured quite yet! :rolleyes:

Just let me know if any of you want a Sponge in any size. Check the little 'flyer' in my signature for full details of the frame...

[Brian MacKenzie]

if we want a 42" TI frame, will you build a wheel to go with it? :)

[feel the light]

if we want a 42" TI frame, will you build a wheel to go with it? :)

Now that's a great idea. Hmmmm, except we don't have a tire. Why Coker had to make 2 36's, instead of a 42 is a bit perplexing. I am pretty sure a 42 would be a huge seller. Most of the riders who own 36ers now would want one.

Perhaps someone should write to the TA and Coker companies and ask how many tires they would have to sell to justify making a run.

I kinda think making the frame would be the easy part. Just welding an extension into the radial frame would be 10 minutes.

I bet a spoke maker could be found easy enough. The rim might be harder.

But it really is the rubber that is holding it all back.

I wish I had enough money to be really curious how many tires would need to be bought to interest a maker. I am sure there is money to be made in the BIG market.

[Brian MacKenzie]

I prefer titanium tires anyways

[skrobo]

Does anyone have any experience with one of these built up (possibly sponge himself?) How does it compare in terms of weight to the new Big one?
uh
one thing
READ!!!(end annoyance)

none have been made, but apparently triton has made some frames before, so were those unis titanium?

[markf]

you could just take 2 coker tires, cut them up, sew them together properly and make whatever size tire you want(up to about 72 inches. not impossible, but almost.

[Borgschulze]

you could just take 2 coker tires, cut them up, sew them together properly and make whatever size tire you want(up to about 72 inches. not impossible, but almost.
That won't work.

[GhettoSmurf]

you would have a verry tough time with a wire bead. the best way to get costum tires is email a coumpany like dugaust or other custom sew-up tire manufacurer

[Borgschulze]

you would have a verry tough time with a wire bead. the best way to get costum tires is email a coumpany like dugaust or other custom sew-up tire manufacurer
Not to mention the tire is curved in such a way that it just won't work period.

Unless you go to ridiculous lengths... e.g. Cutting many slits in the tire and removing material then somehow molding it back together... which by the time you find something that can do that, you might as well just make a custom tire.

[gazza]

I am expecting one or two 36" Triton Sponge frame ordered soon.
They may be either Sponge design or U-crown.
I am writing this messege from my PPC right now so I don't have any pics here. But we did produce 26" U-crown unicycles back in the days for the circus needs.
Never done 36" but we can build one. No problem.
But the price will increase due to a lot more Ti tubing being used. Raw materials is the mosr expensive part in the cost.

[gazza]

I have found one pic.
It looks like 24" to me.
That's a circus uni we made like 3 years ago.
We did not aim to sell them so the pic is crap :)

But it shows that we can make those and can also offer polished finishing.

http://photofile.ru/photo/tritonbicycleco/2780243/54467984.jpg

[Borgschulze]

Integrated seat clamp, I like that.

How much would a Ti seatpost cost?

[gazza]

Integrated seat clamp, I like that.

How much would a Ti seatpost cost?

An integrated seat clamp available as an option.

As far as the seatpost is concerned....Do they look like that one on the pic nowadays? If I had somekinda sketch or a drawing, I could make the calculations...

[Jerrick]

This is what the standard (http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=1020) post looks like. This is the post used on DX, Qu-Ax, Koxx, and KH unis.

Miyata has a different (http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=887)style of post.

[gazza]

All right then.
Thanks a lot for the pics!
I already know what I would have changed in the construction of that seatpost.

I shall discuss it with the engineer.
Would 250mm be enough?

[Jerrick]

Thats almost 10 inches. Which would be good enough for me.

Most people buy a 400mm seat post and cut it down to size, but with a ti post, I dont think people will be wanting to cut it down and have a chunk of ti tube sitting in their room. lol

250 seems like a good standard size though.

[gazza]

Sponge suggested that we could provide custom lenghts.
If we can make the seatposts, then we could also offer the custom lenghts...
But not sure yet. It is just a seatpost you know :) Custom seatpost sound funny to me :)

[Jerrick]

Sponge suggested that we could provide custom lenghts.
If we can make the seatposts, then we could also offer the custom lenghts...
But not sure yet. It is just a seatpost you know :) Custom seatpost sound funny to me :)


It is kinda funny. If it happens, im sure people will want them, as long as its light, strong, and rigid, it would be a perfect post to go with a CF base.

[gazza]

I will take your thoughts into consideration...thank you!

***Oh man...custom seatposts :)
How much would one pay for it?

[kerosian]

up to 80, cause that's what we dish out for thomsons. Sounds like a decent price, eh?

[Brian O.]

up to 80, cause that's what we dish out for thomsons.
Only if you didn't first check ebay, you can get new ones for as low as $30 dollars.

I'm sorry if this has been answered - I know its been asked many times though I fail to find an answer but do we have any idea of a rough estimate cost wise on the 19inch frame?

Also, any chance at making rims? What we need is a nice wide trials sized rim like muni riders have with the Large Marge at 65mm wide.

[Borgschulze]

Only if you didn't first check ebay, you can get new ones for as low as $30 dollars.

I'm sorry if this has been answered - I know its been asked many times though I fail to find an answer but do we have any idea of a rough estimate cost wise on the 19inch frame?

Also, any chance at making rims? What we need is a nice wide trials sized rim like muni riders have with the Large Marge at 65mm wide.
I really really doubt you would want a rim any wider than the current 47mm.

After around 75% of the tire width, it doesn't really make all that much of a difference and just adds weight.

[Brian O.]

I really really doubt you would want a rim any wider than the current 47mm.

After around 75% of the tire width, it doesn't really make all that much of a difference and just adds weight.
The sidewalls of the Duro leopard are straight down to the rim on the Large Marge. Whatever width it takes to achieve that is what I want in a trials rim. Trust me, it makes a difference. Even at the 47mm the tire folds significantly, 55mm or 60mm certainly couldn't hurt.

[Borgschulze]

The sidewalls of the Duro leopard are straight down to the rim on the Large Marge. Whatever width it takes to achieve that is what I want in a trials rim. Trust me, it makes a difference. Even at the 47mm the tire folds significantly, 55mm or 60mm certainly couldn't hurt.
Measure your tire, get a company to make some for you.

[Brian O.]

Measure your tire, get a company to make some for you.
Can't you just do it instead?

[Borgschulze]

Can't you just do it instead?
No, I'd be happy with a 47mm rim.

I'm fine with my DX32.

[Brian O.]

No, I'd be happy with a 47mm rim.

I'm fine with my DX32.
Really? What kind of riding do you do on it?

[Jerrick]

Really? What kind of riding do you do on it?


I found that after my CC tire was worn in, probably about 5 months of riding on it, it never folded over on the DX rim anymore. I remember how you guys were saying how bad a bald CC tire is, so I went and got a new CC to put on it, and that one folded over like crazy, even when it was around 50psi.

I took the new one off and put the old one back on and folding wasn't an issue anymore.

Even the tire on my KH folded until it was broken in, now it doesn't do it anymore. I'm sure if I put a new tire on it, I would get some fold again.

Just saying. =p

[Brian O.]

I remember how you guys were saying how bad a bald CC tire is, so I went and got a new CC to put on it, and that one folded over like crazy, even when it was around 50psi.
I had the exact opposite experience when I got my new CC, thats interesting.

Also, I apologize for bringing this thread so far off topic.

[Sponge]

CC tyres are flawed, and extremely poor in quality compared to some other tyres. Direct quote Dani Comas: "It needs improving"... so then came the Monty Eagle Claw. Same style of construction and modelling, but better in every respect. The CC is notorious in the biketrials world for being pinch-flat happy, some people would get 3 flats in one ride in London from their CCs.

But yeah, back to Triton. I think that offering the Ti Fighter post in custom lengths is a good thing, seeing as titanium is an extremely hard, expensive, and valuable metal.. it would seem a waste to have to cut it down (plus, you'd ruin dozens of hacksaws by trying to cut titanium!). Of course it'll be offered in standard 250mm and 350mm lengths, but what's the shortest length you street riders use? 200mm? 150mm? If you could measure, then that'd be awesome. :)

[gazza]

I'm sorry if this has been answered - I know its been asked many times though I fail to find an answer but do we have any idea of a rough estimate cost wise on the 19inch frame?

Also, any chance at making rims? What we need is a nice wide trials sized rim like muni riders have with the Large Marge at 65mm wide.

The question on the price has been answered, but yeah it is somewhere deep in that triton topic.
The price of the frame + shipping to US is $445.

As far as the rims are concerned, sorry I we can't do that. We are mainly into tubing and welding.

[Brian O.]

The question on the price has been answered, but yeah it is somewhere deep in that triton topic.
The price of the frame + shipping to US is $445.

As far as the rims are concerned, sorry I we can't do that. We are mainly into tubing and welding.
Thanks, I appreciate the answer. I may be looking into these in the distant future - specifically for my 24" mountain unicycle.

[agentQ]

As far as the rims are concerned, sorry I we can't do that. We are mainly into tubing and welding.

What about some ISIS tubular cranks?

[Brian MacKenzie]

Thats almost 10 inches. Which would be good enough for me.

Most people buy a 400mm seat post and cut it down to size, but with a ti post, I dont think people will be wanting to cut it down and have a chunk of ti tube sitting in their room. lol

250 seems like a good standard size though.


I disagree, those would be cool to have lying around

[brendan]

definately a piece of ti tubing is awesome.. i have a piece of carbon fiber honeycomb sandwich layer in my room... and a bit of a qu-ax alu seatpost at work... its really bad stress relief.

its nice to see custom stuff for trials, not to sure about the rim width. Went from a tryall 47mm to a kh 05 so 42mm and the difference at the start is noticable, but after a while you just get used to it and i found its fine.

Not sure about the ti seatpost, but i'm not against more custom parts!

[gazza]

What about some ISIS tubular cranks?


We can do the body, we can't do the ISIS profile. Chinese guys do it better :)

[Borgschulze]

We can do the body, we can't do the ISIS profile. Chinese guys do it better :)
From what I have read, all the Deng cranks wobble after a while.. their ISIS splines are crap?

[gazza]

There are other brands apart from Deng's that produce their stuff in China.

I currently run Deng's Echo cranks on my mod bike. They don't wobble :)
They all become wobbling one day, yeah :)

If I could do it in titanium, I would do it same day for myself :)

[wickedbob]

Would you be able to make a completely flat crown? Like for street and falt riding?

[manon1wheel]

how much are these Ti frames anyway?

[mornish]

.The question on the price has been answered, but yeah it is somewhere deep in that triton topic.
The price of the frame + shipping to US is $445.

[gazza]

how much are these Ti frames anyway?

The 19" frame + shipping is $445.
The bigger the frame is the more material is used and the more money one would have to pay :)

36" frame with shipping to US is $520

2Bob: what do you mean by flat crown? A pic would be great.

[mornish]

The 19" frame + shipping is $445.
The bigger the frame is the more material is used and the more money one would have to pay :)

36" frame with shipping to US is $520

2Bob: what do you mean by flat crown? A pic would be great.

I think he means a crown like the black domina koxx-one unicycle has.

http://www.espacejongle.com/boutique/images/blackdomina%5B1%5D.jpg

[gazza]

We had actually made one of these back in the days.

But we have introduced Triton Sponge design because it is different and strong.

Do you use that flat crown design? I mean if there is a practical need for such a shape, then we could make something like that...

[mornish]

We had actually made one of these back in the days.

But we have introduced Triton Sponge design because it is different and strong.

Do you use that flat crown design? I mean if there is a practical need for such a shape, then we could make something like that...

here is another picture.

I think that that crown design is really nice for flat stuff, but I don't know how it would compare to a semi crown on the sponge's.

[wickedbob]

We had actually made one of these back in the days.

But we have introduced Triton Sponge design because it is different and strong.

Do you use that flat crown design? I mean if there is a practical need for such a shape, then we could make something like that...

I done really do many corwn tricks now, but I think a few others would like a crown like that. I am not going to be getting one of these frames anytime soon if ever, it was justa question.

[gazza]

Right I got you.
When there is an order from a flat rider, we are sure to find the best suiting design.
We can make something semi-Sponge semi-flat :)

[agentQ]

Somithing with the sponge design but with some knurling might be pretty good.

[Sponge]

Regarding the flat crown, as seen on the Domina. That was my original design I gave to Triton, and it was rejected pretty much straight away by the engineer because the 45 degree angle at which the thin 1mm titanium tubing is joined is not too strong in comparison to what we have on the current Sponge frame.

So some may ask, then why does it work well for aluminium frames like the KH or Domina? Well, for one, the aluminium tubing is thicker than the titanium tubing featured on the Triton frames because aluminium has to be used thicker if we want any sort of decent stiffness in a frame. So aluminium tubes can be around 2.5mm thick compared to the 1mm thick titanium tubes, and the thicker the tubing, the easier it is to weld (from what I've been told) in these kinds of awkward positions like the 45 degree join of the crown and legs on the Domina crowns. So yeah, that would have been the original design, but that got scrapped and we moved onto the MUCH stronger current semi-flat design we have here.

The whole point of the semi-flat design is that you don't bash your legs and knees during botched sidehops much like the purpose of the XTP crown, but also allows you space to do foot-on-crown tricks like gliding and donkey kicks. Regarding knurling... that would be really hard for titanium and would add to the cost tremendously I'd imagine... do what one of my testers did and get hold of some sort of griptape and cut a bit out and stick it on the crown pieces. I don't necessarily mean normal black skating griptape... you can get devilishly grippy tape that has a similar texture to chunky sugar grains mixed together in water it's the kind of stuff people use to stick down on glass or marble floors or lips of steps to provide grip. The explanation is weird, but I'll get a pic of this as soon as I can. This stuff stays grippy in the pouring rain too, so it's a bit better than normal skating griptape. But yeah, knurling isn't worth it to be honest as even KH knurled crowns slip like hell in the wet in comparison to grippier surfaces like griptape or similar.

[Sponge]

Like for street and flat riding?

Oh, also to answer that, Krisztian Kovacs (sorry if I've misspelt!) from Budapest and current European Street/Flat Champion has been having a dabble on one of the Triton Sponges when one of the testers went over to Hungary recently. From what I've been told, Krisz loves the Triton for street riding and tricks, and also really enjoys flatland on it. So if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for anyone riding street really. To be honest what flatland tricks would you need a flat crown for?:

gliding/coasting/1ft wheelwalking, donkey kicks, not all that much else? I've seen people shred with rolling wraps and wrap walks and all sorts of other flatland tricks without needing a flat crown. I've seen someone on an XTP shred on street and flat even, just with fewer glides or donkey kicks.

But yes, we purposefully evaded the flat-crown design before for reasons of strength. "The Ti" uni that I use now (the same one Zack uses in Defect) is a titanium flat-crowned frame and that cracked once or twice in the hands of Dan Heaton... proving that the flat crown join and design in general is not suited to thin 1mm titanium tubing.

I'm more than confident that the current semi-flat crown is a great "happy-medium" for trials riders who love their sidehops and street/flat riders who like to glide and donkey kick. It's already been tested and proven by some of the best riders in the world. :)

[centralvalley]

Hi folks, I am new here on this board and I registered specifically to participate in the discussion concerning this Ti unicycle frame.

I love Ti bicycles and have a Matt Chester titanium singlespeed bicycle as my main ride. The fork on that bike is made by Rick Hunter or Hunter Cycles fame.

Seeing the work that Rick did on my fork and stem on my bicycle, I became very motivated to order a unicycle from him. I received it a few weeks ago after ordering it just before he went on the Great Divide race in June. It is a 700c/29" with Magura mounts. I am gathering parts for it and hope to build it up soon.

As for the Triton Sponge 36" uni, I am very interested in ordering one early next month or later this month. Gazza and/or sponge, could you please let me know what specific email address to use for contacting you about your products? Unfortunately I have limited time for reding/browsing the discussion board yet I would like to be in contact with you about an order.

Thanks everyone on this board, I have learned a ton by reading all the discussion here.

Chris in Davis, California

[ivan]

you can get devilishly grippy tape that has a similar texture to chunky sugar grains mixed together in water it's the kind of stuff people use to stick down on glass or marble floors or lips of steps to provide grip. The explanation is weird, but I'll get a pic of this as soon as I can.
So, pics?

Where would you buy this griptape from?

[fexnix]

So, pics?

Where would you buy this griptape from?

I know that hardware stores carries it here. Have a look at one of those. :)

[steveyo]

So as not to make a new thread, has anyone ordered and received a Triton 36" frame yet?

I'm (maybe) looking to upgrade from my heavy Radial 360 before RTL and Perry (capuni) suggested that a TI 36" frame would be incredible.

[siafirede]

Don't get me wrong...the Ti Triton stuff looks really awesome, but if you are simply upgrading your frame for weight purposes it probably isn't worth the cost.

I have been using the standard coker frame for a couple years and it has been great.

The main improvements you could make are getting the new nimbus rim and tire, and maybe using a non super wide hub (the regular wide hub) with SS spokes. I am running a std coker frame, wheel ta, airfoil rim, and the 12g coker spokes on a super wide hub. If I were going to be making upgrades before RTL I would be getting the new tire, keeping the airfoil I have, getting a standard width hub and building it with the SS 14g spokes.

A 36" Ti custom frame would be nice if....

you wanted to fit it to an isis hub
you wanted to fit it to the new kh/schlumpf hub
you wanted to have a completely custom frame design.

[gazza]

So as not to make a new thread, has anyone ordered and received a Triton 36" frame yet?

I'm (maybe) looking to upgrade from my heavy Radial 360 before RTL and Perry (capuni) suggested that a TI 36" frame would be incredible.

None so far, but expecting an order some day soon...

[steveyo]

Don't get me wrong...the Ti Triton stuff looks really awesome, but if you are simply upgrading your frame for weight purposes it probably isn't worth the cost.

I have been using the standard coker frame for a couple years and it has been great.

The main improvements you could make are getting the new nimbus rim and tire, and maybe using a non super wide hub (the regular wide hub) with SS spokes. I am running a std coker frame, wheel ta, airfoil rim, and the 12g coker spokes on a super wide hub. If I were going to be making upgrades before RTL I would be getting the new tire, keeping the airfoil I have, getting a standard width hub and building it with the SS 14g spokes.

A 36" Ti custom frame would be nice if....

you wanted to fit it to an isis hub
you wanted to fit it to the new kh/schlumpf hub
you wanted to have a completely custom frame design.

Well, first of all, which new tire are you referring to?

Second of all, to use a brake, as I understand it, my rim needs upgrading from single walled steel to Alum. double-wall. Is this the right assumption?

Third, I'd like to get the KH Isis hub, so the thing would endure trail-riding.

So if I'm going to upgrade the rim, spokes, hub, tire, and get a brake, I guess I could keep the heavy cromolly (sp?) Radial frame, but I'd just as soon ebay the whole old cycle for a couple hundred bucks or so and get a major-league 36er that I could use for everything, and would last forever.

[siafirede]

The new Nimbus Nightrider tire. Since you said you want to do trail riding as well, it is probably going to be the best option for both trail and road.

Yeah, I think that to use the brake properly a double walled rim is suggested, and the new Nimbus Stealth Pro Rim already has a machined breaking surface, so it will be very nice with a brake.

As far as the hub goes. My wheel has held up great with the UDC super wide hub while using it offroad. The KH isis hub would be stronger though, and everything seems to be moving to ISIS now anyway. It also isn't as wide (I believe...) so that would cut down on wobbling. This would definitely be an excuse to get the Ti frame to have it fit the KH isis hub properly. I was just under the impression that you wanted to swap out the radial frame on your current set up for a Ti frame.

Sounds like you are planning a sweet set up.

[rob.northcott]

to use a brake, as I understand it, my rim needs upgrading from single walled steel to Alum. double-wall. Is this the right assumption?
You can use a brake on a steel rim (I do on my coker, and we all did on bikes before aluminium rims became the norm). It's true that brakes work much better on aluminium rims, especially in the wet, but for unicycle drag brake purposes you don't want a really strong brake anyway. Use leather faced brake blocks (probably not possible if you're using maguras) otherwise they're next to useless in the wet.

But don't let that stop you buying a nice new rim ;)
I know I want one - just can't justify the expense.

Rob

[steveyo]

Again, sorry if this was covered here, or elsewhere, already.

What would be the wait time on a Triton 36" frame, with production shipping to NY, USA.

[gazza]

Again, sorry if this was covered here, or elsewhere, already.

What would be the wait time on a Triton 36" frame, with production shipping to NY, USA.

It is spring time, quite loads of orders (mainly bicycles), so you would need to wait around 6-8 weeks.

[steveyo]

It is spring time, quite loads of orders (mainly bicycles), so you would need to wait around 6-8 weeks.

OK thanks. I may not be able to wait for that long, and so will have to "settle" for something else.

[gazza]

OK thanks. I may not be able to wait for that long, and so will have to "settle" for something else.

I am sorry about that. But I better tell you the reallistic dates rather than say "it takes two weeks" and then have you PMing every day :)

Later I will probably start making a few frames of each size in advance. So customer will not have to wait that long.
You pay and get your frame in 5 days. But these are going to be standard frames of course.

[steveyo]

I am sorry about that. But I better tell you the reallistic dates rather than say "it takes two weeks" and then have you PMing every day :)

Later I will probably start making a few frames of each size in advance. So customer will not have to wait that long.
You pay and get your frame in 5 days. But these are going to be standard frames of course.

I truly appreciate that you tell me realistic dates. 8 weeks puts us too close to the Ride The Lobster race. Since I'd still have to put it together and everything,
I'd be too worried about not getting it ready in time, and not practicing on it enough. Thanks, and I'll keep it in mind for when I have the money for an AWESOME TI frame.

[gazza]

Thank you

[osmundo]

I sent funds to Dmitry for a new 36er to fit to the KH/Schlumpf hub. I'm pretty psyched.

[gazza]

I sent funds to Dmitry for a new 36er to fit to the KH/Schlumpf hub. I'm pretty psyched.

Don't get psyched :)
Relax.

Here is a nice cup of tea for you.

http://se.inf.ethz.ch/people/leitner/erl_g/image/tea_cup_small.jpg

[osmundo]

Don't get psyched :)
Relax.

Here is a nice cup of tea for you.

http://se.inf.ethz.ch/people/leitner/erl_g/image/tea_cup_small.jpg

Psyched means excited...as in happy and anticipating something great.
Thanks for the tea, though.
The frame would be better but I'll drink my tea for now.

[GizmoDuck]

I'm ordering one too. Dmitry...check your emails.

[osmundo]

I'm ordering one too. Dmitry...check your emails.
What are you doing for a brake, Ken?

[GizmoDuck]

Probably will put magura mounts on there...gives me the option, althoiugh most of the time I don't think I'll be using it.

I'd also like to get a Titanium handle/seat combo made.

[Ducttape]

Probably will put magura mounts on there...gives me the option, althoiugh most of the time I don't think I'll be using it.

I'd also like to get a Titanium handle/seat combo made.
wouldn't a seat made out of titanium be a bit hard? I'd think it would be worse than riding a CX seat.... ;)

[GizmoDuck]

wouldn't a seat made out of titanium be a bit hard? I'd think it would be worse than riding a CX seat.... ;)

No, the seatbase, integrated onto the handle. It won't be any harder than a carbon seatbase.

Having said that, I raced on a Carbon Fibre seat with only a couple of strips of padding at Unicon 12.

[kerosian]

No, the seatbase, integrated onto the handle. It won't be any harder than a carbon seatbase.

Having said that, I raced on a Carbon Fibre seat with only a couple of strips of padding at Unicon 12.
I believe I saw a pic of that somewhere, looked painful. :(

[steveyo]

No, the seatbase, integrated onto the handle. It won't be any harder than a carbon seatbase.

Having said that, I raced on a Carbon Fibre seat with only a couple of strips of padding at Unicon 12.I would love to get a TI seatbase/handle combo. It's a fantastic idea. If you spec it out and are ordering, I'd be very interested to get one and make the order bigger.

[ntappin]

I too would love a TI base/handle.