Demonoid BitTorrent site taken offline

[James_Potter]

Torrent Tracker Demonoid.com Taken Offline (http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/09/torrent-tracker.html)

"The popular Demonoid.com, a semi-private BitTorrent tracker, has been taken offline. Both the torrent tracker and the site have been unresponsive for over twenty-four hours. Although there has been no official word, or statement from the Demonoid administrators, TorrentFreak claims that the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) is responsible for the downtime, but the CRIA has refused to comment (see update below)."

That was my favorite site for torrents ):

[Det-riot]

Torrent Tracker Demonoid.com Taken Offline (http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/09/torrent-tracker.html)

"The popular Demonoid.com, a semi-private BitTorrent tracker, has been taken offline. Both the torrent tracker and the site have been unresponsive for over twenty-four hours. Although there has been no official word, or statement from the Demonoid administrators, TorrentFreak claims that the Canadian Recording Industry Association (CRIA) is responsible for the downtime, but the CRIA has refused to comment (see update below)."

That was my favorite site for torrents ):
i just started using it and had noticed that it was down. this sucks.

[robdizzle]

torrents.to

isohunt and torrentspy and pirate bay are amazing

but yes demonoid ruled

[Matt_V]

torrentspy is really good, but they are being tracked right now so I don't use them. Latley I have been using mininova

[mornish]

ive been using the pirate bay, I like that.


Im thinking of booting XP onto my mac so i can run utorrent as well as some other stuff.

[maestro8]

Be safe, kiddies, use protection!

Peer Guardian 2 (http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/)

[James_Potter]

It might come back....

Anti-Piracy Organization Tries to Shut Down Demonoid (http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-organization-tries-to-shut-down-demonoid/)

[Det-riot]

i hope it comes back up!

[ivan]

And I was just getting a share ratio of two and trying figure out what to spend it on...

Anyone has invites to OiNK or things like that? If yes, please pm me.

[john_childs]

Ha ha! No more pirate plunderin' :p

[gabetheunicycleman]

noooooooooooo. i was greatly saddened when torrentspy started tracking people. also when the pirate bay was down briefly. i wish them the greatest of luck. ironically my hard drive crashed on the weekend. and a few weeks beforehand. so im off get a new one. best of luck.

[jamessd]

I don't understand how all of these sites aren't permanently shut down/ taken off the web (or whatever! (no jargon here)) - surely they're all highly illegal:confused: (which is why I don't illegally download files ;) )

[James_Potter]

The websites themselves are not illegal, just as a BitTorrent client or a P2P server like Kazaa is not illegal...it can just be used to do illegal things.

[Borgschulze]

( That was my favorite site for torrents ):

Ouch!

I'm on 3 Private sites, which I'm not even going to say the names of.

One is completely Scene RLS's, one is completely Music Scene RLS's, and the other is all HD stuff, movies, TV, Trailers, etc...

Since like 4 years ago when I got into these sites, I have only visited public trackers maybe a max of once every few months when I want something old, or someone wants something that isn't on my Private Scene sites.

EDIT: If I count all the private sites I have accounts on but don't use, it's probably in the range of 15-20, but I only use the best sites with uploaders from Sweden, and the likes that maxes out my 10mbit download speed. As well I only use sites if they upload new stuff quickly, fast pre-time uploads. My favourite site is usually any where from 30 seconds after pre-time, to about 15 minutes.

[gabetheunicycleman]

(which is why I don't illegally download files ;) )

well you sir, are an idiot.


on a completly unrelated note, i would like to become a member of a private tracker but membership is hard to come by....
*cough*(invite me)*cough*

[jamessd]

well you sir, are an idiot.


on a completly unrelated note, i would like to become a member of a private tracker but membership is hard to come by....
*cough*(invite me)*cough*

That was uncalled for wasn't it?

Did you not look at the smiley?

Shame on you...

[Det-riot]

well you sir, are an idiot.


on a completly unrelated note, i would like to become a member of a private tracker but membership is hard to come by....
*cough*(invite me)*cough*
I too would like to be a member :)

[James_Potter]

Yeah it'd be chill if one of you could invite me too, but if not that's cool....

[James_Potter]

I'm on 3 Private sites, which I'm not even going to say the names of.
Lucky, private ones are the best, demonoid was my only one though.

[ntappin]

I find it pretty funny that its the CRIA that might be behind it. In Canada they have set a few precedents that basically make it legal to download music and other things (although other things seems a bit ambiguous) and it is only illegal to rip music and other things for the purpose of sharing them with others. So you are aloud to rip music and stuff but you aren't aloud to share what you rip, but you are aloud to download music and stuff and share that. Its all a bit confusing but I guess it still comes down to big corporations attacking torrent communities.

[Det-riot]

Its Working Again. Yay!!!!!

[unisteve]

CRIA
CRIA? More like CRY-A. amirite?

[Borgschulze]

CRIA? More like CRY-A. amirite?
CRAI.

[monkeyman]

Demonoid Aftermath: An Open Letter to the CRIA
Written by Ernesto on October 04, 2007

In the aftermath of the recent demonoid turmoil, “A former music buyer” posted an open letter to the CRIA - an impressive summary of what’s wrong with the music industry and how they alienate their customers. The RIAA and the CRIA have to rethink their business models, closing down p2p sites does not solve the problem.

To Whom It May Concern at the CRIA:

I have been an avid music collector for many years, and have approximately 1000 CD’s in my collection, not counting albums that I have purchased over the internet and own only digital copies of. I purchase approximately 30-40 new CDs per year. However, thanks to your recent decision to block Canadian users from accessing Demonoid, I have decided that I cannot continue to support this backwards, dysfunctional industry with my money any longer, and as such, I do not plan on purchasing music ever again if it means that one penny goes to your organization.

I listen to heavy metal music, a form of music that “the industry” stopped supporting many years ago, so I have a hard time feeling any sympathy. Sites such as Demonoid have done far more to promote the music I love than your organization or the industry in general has ever done. I can find out about new artists and new releases from artists that are never promoted. I can listen to music from artists that have never been played on the radio, will never be shown on MuchMusic or MTV, and never have a review or even mention of their new album written about in the local newspaper. From listening to this music, I can make an informed decision if I wish to purchase the album or not, as I am not going to gamble $15-20 on something that I haven’t heard anything off of before.

25 years ago, I primarily learned about music from friends who dubbed a copy onto a cassette tape, where I could listen to it and make a decision if I wanted to buy the tape for myself. Now, many years removed from school, my “gang” of friends to share music with has shifted from cassette tapes and the school cafeteria to sharing mp3’s online. I listen to some things that I don’t like, and consequently, I don’t buy those albums. What I do like, I buy, or at least I used to, before your decision intended to stop me from hearing new music.

The industry cries that record sales are down, and blames this all on internet downloading. I won’t be so naïve as to say that internet downloading has no impact on the sales. Downloading has certainly stopped me from making the stupid purchases where I heard one single that I liked and bought an entire album only to find out that the rest of the songs are crap, and the CD sits collecting dust on my shelf. But for every CD that I didn’t buy based on those premises, there are 2 or 3 other CDs that I did buy because I heard of them for the first time on a site like Demonoid.

In the meantime, the music industry itself needs to recognize that they are to blame for sagging record sales. For years, they have been marketing recycled crap, and people are getting tired of it. On the odd occasion that something fresh and new accidentally slips through and gets radio play, the music industry immediately signs a seemingly infinite number of clone bands that makes the “new, fresh” sound boring almost instantly. It seems the music industry doesn’t even care about making or promoting good music any more. Instead, they market a young, pretty face that can dance provocatively and lip-synch well, and push this on the radio stations to play while getting the tabloids to print large pictures of their breasts. If bands like AC/DC or Motorhead were to emerge today, they would never be successful; not because of poor record sales due to downloading, but due to the fact that they’re ugly so the record company wouldn’t promote them, if they picked them up at all. In the meantime, they’re falling all over themselves to promote Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, or any teenage tramp that can be airbrushed to look sexy.

The record labels cry about downloading cutting into the profits of the sales of albums. They put out “greatest hits” albums by 20-year olds with 2 or 3 albums under their belts, released with one new track to try and sucker the fans that already have both albums into spending another $20 for one new song, or re-releasing a 3-month old album with a “previously unreleased bonus track”. Then they can’t understand why people aren’t buying them, and cry foul that people are downloading the one new song instead.

I know not only the record companies are crying. Artists that have been around long enough to have enough clout to get a cut of the record sales are concerned about their cut, like Metallica that also clamor that “downloading is evil”, and then go on to sell over 9 million copies of their last album instead of 9.1 million. Boo hoo. Meanwhile, many younger, smaller artists favor downloading, because they know it’s the only way that people will get to hear the music and in turn come out to see their shows, because the record label sure as hell isn’t promoting them. But they can’t say that out loud, can they? If they do, guess which band is going to get dropped by the label?

So tell me, what does the CRIA do to promote metal? Oh, right, you’ve got a link to the top 50 “metal” albums in Canada, which after a quick glance at the top ten this week includes punk acts like Dropkick Murphys, Finger Eleven, and Billy Talent, and rock acts like Nickelback and Queen, but very little that resembles heavy metal. (Perhaps you should ask the Celtic punk band, Dropkick Murphys, what they think of being labeled as “metal”.)

And also tell me, without Demonoid, where would I have found out about bands like Evile or Dublin Death Patrol and made a decision to purchase their album online (because no record store that I have found in Canada carries either one). And god forbid the CRIA would care about the promotion of Canadian talent, such as longtime recording artist Annihilator, which released one of the better albums of 2007. However, I have yet to see their new album sold in any store in Canada, including HMV’s flagship store on Yonge Street in Toronto, and I ultimately had to buy a copy from a UK website. Considering the only place I had heard about this album was having downloaded it from Demonoid, do you really expect anyone to make this kind of effort to buy an album without ever having heard it?

The record labels and CRIA have gone to great lengths to tell us that downloading and sharing music is killing the music industry. Open your eyes and you will see that the music industry dinosaur has already been killing itself for years, and by resisting technology rather than embracing it and using it to their advantage. “Oh, but they have,” you try to insist, pointing to the sites devoted to selling music in mp3 format online. I notice that most of the metal bands I am interested in are still not available through these services. I also notice that buying an entire album ends up costing as much, if not more, than if I went to buy it in the store, even though there are no longer costs of materials or shipping that have to be paid for, and once again, I fail to come up with any sympathy for the music industry. I hope the music industry does die, because I know that music itself will not die so with the corrupt aspects of the industry gone, only then might music once again flourish.

Sincerely,

A former music buyer

[john_childs]

Demonoid Aftermath: An Open Letter to the CRIA
Written by Ernesto on October 04, 2007
That man speaks some truth. I could add some more rants about the music industries attempts to copyprotect audio CDs and the awful mastering done on some recent recordings that makes them unlistenable for me.

The inconvenient truth for the music industry is that sharing is necessary for consumers to be able to explore new music. Music is also social and people want to be able to share music discoveries with friends and like-minded people.

Sites like Deezer (http://www.deezer.com/) give some opportunity for self-discovery of new music. But sharing amongst friends and like-minded people is still the most effective way to explore new music.

The challenge is to get people to buy after they find something they like. The music industry should focus on convenience for the consumer. Make it easier and more convenient for the consumers to explore new music legally and to buy that music legally than to waste time and effort weeding through terabytes of garbage on P2P.

Sharing through illicit torrents is ultimately not the answer and doesn't win many points for convenience and reliability.

[qhxakg]

Hey i was wondering if i could get an invite from one of you members of demonoid?

[john_childs]

Anyone have an invite for OiNK? ;)

[ivan]

That's what I've been looking for...

[GILD]

Good letter, but he's still saying 'you suck at what you do, therefore it's ok for me to steal', isn't he?

[john_childs]

Anyone have an invite for OiNK? ;)
Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I made that comment because the OiNK servers were confiscated and the admin was arrested (http://torrentfreak.com/oinkcd-servers-raided-admin-arrested/). Getting an invite right now would be rather difficult at the moment. ;)

[john_childs]

Good letter, but he's still saying 'you suck at what you do, therefore it's ok for me to steal', isn't he?
The part that I'm agreeing with is the bit about how it is necessary to share in order to discover new music. I don't agree with his full reasoning and how he is so tied to the large scale P2P style sharing. I also don't agree with the notion that P2P sharing should be some sort of civil disobedience to stick it to the man.

I am of the opinion that sharing at some level is necessary. In my thinking radio is a form of sharing. Specialized internet radio stations are a form of sharing and discovery. Passing mix CDs, full CDs and music recommendations amongst local friends is a form of sharing and discovery. Browsing the CDs, albums, and tapes at the local library is a form of sharing and discovery.

[monkeyman]

Before anyone gets the wrong idea, I made that comment because the OiNK servers were confiscated and the admin was arrested (http://torrentfreak.com/oinkcd-servers-raided-admin-arrested/). Getting an invite right now would be rather difficult at the moment. ;)


Same thing happened to a site called TV-Links as well...
link (http://www.thenewfreedom.net/wp/2007/10/19/tv-linkscouk-raided-owner-arrested/)

[James_Potter]

Same thing happened to a site called TV-Links as well...
link (http://www.thenewfreedom.net/wp/2007/10/19/tv-linkscouk-raided-owner-arrested/)
AUGH I was wondering what happened to tv-links...that was such a sweet site.

[ivan]

The CRIA threatened the company renting the servers to us, and because of this it is not possible to keep the site online. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for your understanding.

Oh, come on!

[James_Potter]

I was just about to post that...I guess it's gone for good.

[habbywall]

Whats even worse is that oink was shut down.
Not to mention "follow the white rabbit" easily the hardest private torrent tracker to get an invite to getting shutdown.

[ivan]

They'll make it back.

It will just take some time.

[ivan]

They're back up:)

Hooray!!!

[Gumba23]

Does anyone have an invite for oink now its back up?

[vanpaun]

ya, i was emailed yesterday