Qu-Ax Crossfire Trials Cycle 2007 Versus Nimbus 20-inch Trials Cycle with ISIS hub

[vanpaun]

I am about to purchase a new uni and i was wondering if the Qu-Ax Crossfire Trials Cycle 2007 is really that much better than the Nimbus 20-inch Trials Cycle with ISIS hub. I have heard mixed reviews for both of them and just wanted to see what most people thought.

http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=1048

http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=797

Thanks:) ,
Vanpaun

P.S. if they are both crap please suggest a different unicycle within the 300 dollar price range.

[Det-riot]

go with the nimbus. It has a 36 hole rim so it there are more options for what rim you cold put on if it if you so wished. Also i think the hub is stringer.

[isaac steiner]

go for the Quax, 48 spokes so stronger...and better quality.

[mouse]

48 spokes for a trials cycle is more logical than 36 it seems. Also, there are 48 spoke rims available in that size so options are open. I have a 1400 series Qu-Ax here and its pretty bomb proof.

[Brian O.]

go for the Quax, 48 spokes so stronger...and better quality.
48 spokes doesn't necessarily mean its stronger, I'd much rather ride 36 than 48. Excess weight and fewer options.

[vanpaun]

Brian,
I heard you were going to make some changes to the nimbus ,how much did it cost to do that?

[brendan]

uhm i think they are probs about similar.

yeah qu-ax is 48. but i'd rather say the rim is thinner, so go with the cheapest. My mate just got pretty much a nimbus trials with KH cranks and a monty eagle claw, and i have to say its sick, although i cant hop for shit on the kh moments. Got to get that qfactor rubbish off lol

[vanpaun]

my computer is glitching up so ignore my vote for both crap it was the only way to un freeze my comp.

[wickedbob]

go for the Quax, 48 spokes so stronger...and better quality.

Not really notice kh and k1. They dominate street and trials both use 36spokes. If 48 was so much stronger why wouldn't they use it? Only qu-ax, torker and some other brands use 48h. From what I hear the nimbus wheelset is just the o7kh hub and 06 kh rim. If true that is pretty much bomb proof. Are you relating the number of spokes to quality? If so would you get a 56h?

[isaac steiner]

58 spokes would start adding weight. but 48 doesnt add that much weight over 36. And 48 has to be some stronger than 36 not that 36 is not strong but 48 is stronger. so if you have 24 spokes compared to 36, 36 will be stronger so same with 48 over 36. And quax has to be better quality than nimbus. nimbus doesnt even have a websie.

[Joe2005]

58 spokes would start adding weight. but 48 doesnt add that much weight over 36. And 48 has to be some stronger than 36 not that 36 is not strong but 48 is stronger. so if you have 24 spokes compared to 36, 36 will be stronger so same with 48 over 36. And quax has to be better quality than nimbus. nimbus doesnt even have a websie.

WWW.UNICYCLE.COM

Don't you know that Nimbus IS UDC house brand of unicycles?

[isaac steiner]

yes but there is a koxx one website. there is a kris holm website. there is a quax website. there is not a NIMBUS website. jeez. is there a www.nimbus.com...NO

[Det-riot]

yes but there is a koxx one website. there is a kris holm website. there is a quax website. there is not a NIMBUS website. jeez. is there a www.nimbus.com...NO
no but you can see all nimbus products on UDC, just like you can see Koxx and Qu-Ax products on their respective site.

[brendan]

LOL nimbus is UDC's in house brand.

Look we all realise you have a qu-ax and love it, thats awesome, and its a great uni. But there is no need to try to go around saying 36 spokes sucks and demeaning all other uni brands just because you have a quax and feel like you have the best.

[Det-riot]

LOL nimbus is UDC's in house brand.

Look we all realise you have a qu-ax and love it, thats awesome, and its a great uni. But there is no need to try to go around saying 36 spokes sucks and demeaning all other uni brands just because you have a quax and feel like you have the best.


Isaac Steiner:Qu-Ax::CKCrowe:Torker

[isaac steiner]

LOL nimbus is UDC's in house brand.

Look we all realise you have a qu-ax and love it, thats awesome, and its a great uni. But there is no need to try to go around saying 36 spokes sucks and demeaning all other uni brands just because you have a quax and feel like you have the best.


Im not saying 36 spokes suck at all...im saying that 48 is no weaker it has to be some stronger. Im not saying that 36 spoke unicycles suck.

[DustinSchaap]

Haha take it easy guys, 48 is stronger than 36 but the question is if it's actually neccesary. I think the 2 models are pretty much comparable, both need to have their cranks replaced coz they're shit for trials but they're both entry level so thats ok. Go for the one that you think looks best or best suits your wallet.

[vanpaun]

Isaac,
what if the spokes were made from sily string? quality not quantity. the nimbus hub is supposed to be indestructable.

[DustinSchaap]

Isaac,
what if the spokes were made from sily string? quality not quantity. the nimbus hub is supposed to be indestructable.
The nimbus hub has only been out for 2/3 weeks.

[isaac steiner]

Isaac,
what if the spokes were made from sily string? quality not quantity. the nimbus hub is supposed to be indestructable.


Is the quax not? who siad the Nimbus is supposed to be?

[vanpaun]

i heard that the nimbus hubs and frames are kh just rebranded

[wickedbob]

hubs/rims.... not the frame at all.

[wickedbob]

58 spokes would start adding weight. but 48 doesnt add that much weight over 36. And 48 has to be some stronger than 36 not that 36 is not strong but 48 is stronger. so if you have 24 spokes compared to 36, 36 will be stronger so same with 48 over 36. And quax has to be better quality than nimbus. nimbus doesnt even have a websie.

Why is that? Like others have said ucd.

[wickedbob]

yes but there is a koxx one website. there is a kris holm website. there is a quax website. there is not a NIMBUS website. jeez. is there a www.nimbus.com...NO

Are you relating the quality of a product to them having a specific website? That is a really shit way to judge quality about anything.

[vanpaun]

I might just get a kh because I am a noob so i wont break it, and instead of needing a new uni in two years ill be set for 5. plus i believe my current uni has a nimbus two frame so replacing just the hub, tire, and rim should cost less. Ill probably get the kh anyway. hehehe. Good thing I can convince my mom to let me buy it/get it for Chanukah. :D

[isaac steiner]

both are great unis. So what ever you like the look of better. 36 spokes has more options...they both have short cranks but some time you could get KH Moments in 137 like me and that was an awesome move...even though they were $125, much nicer...You wont need to do that right way though. what ever on you like better.

[DustinSchaap]

I might just get a kh because I am a noob so i wont break it, and instead of needing a new uni in two years ill be set for 5. plus i believe my current uni has a nimbus two frame so replacing just the hub, tire, and rim should cost less. Ill probably get the kh anyway. hehehe. Good thing I can convince my mom to let me buy it/get it for Chanukah. :D
The steel frame of the Nimbus or Qu-ax will last longer than your KH alu frame, the new extra wide qu-ax rim will also last longer than the lighter KH, the flanges of your moment hub will bend from grinding and crankgrabbing so I don't think it will last any longer than a qu-ax or nimbus. It's lighter, which is nice. But I wouldn't say it's stronger exactly. Look at specifactions, not price.

[brendan]

Isaac Steiner:Qu-Ax::CKCrowe:Torker::Detriot:koxx

Sorry :P couldnt resist. Although you were worst at the beggining to be fair.

And i totally agree with dustin, a kh wont neccessarily last you longer just cause it cost more.

I mean the rim is weaker (it has holes - see my post on my koxx rim), the seat/post and equally weak, the aluminium rim is not really weaker but more prone to fatigue and breaking than the steel quax and nimbus rims, and the khmoment hub flanges have torn ??? because of the weird kh signature being a weird shape compared to the holes?? i find this hard to buy but some people have said so.

So all in all the kh is a nicer uni (in my opinion, it is alot lighter for example if you like light) , but it doesnt make it neccesarily stronger.

edit : forget the alot, the nimbus is 5.7kg and the quax cross is 55kg (same as kh) - although to be fair the kh moment cranks are very heavy, but stronger.

[isaac steiner]

Are you relating the quality of a product to them having a specific website? That is a really shit way to judge quality about anything.



No, im just giving one example. I know the nimbus would be nice

[Chexjc]

58 spokes would start adding weight. but 48 doesnt add that much weight over 36. And 48 has to be some stronger than 36 not that 36 is not strong but 48 is stronger. so if you have 24 spokes compared to 36, 36 will be stronger so same with 48 over 36. And quax has to be better quality than nimbus. nimbus doesnt even have a websie.

Nimbus' website is UDC. The largest supplier of unicycles world-wide. So, I'd say they win in that category.

I ride a Qu-ax and love it. I'm going to test ride a friends ISIS Nimbus when he gets it monday. But as of right now, the Nimbus definitely looks like a better option.

[DustinSchaap]

I mean the rim is weaker (it has holes - see my post on my koxx rim), the seat/post and equally weak, the aluminium rim is not really weaker but more prone to fatigue and breaking than the steel quax and nimbus rims,
I think you mean frames as all the rims are alu.

edit : forget the alot, the nimbus is 5.7kg and the quax cross is 55kg (same as kh) - although to be fair the kh moment cranks are very heavy, but stronger.
I'm not sure but I think that the Qu-ax 5.5kg weight is the 20" version, there's 2 versions, one with a trials tire and one with a BMX tire. Both unicycles come with a lightweight set of cranks, if you upgrade them in strength they will also become heavier. The KH already has stronger cranks, so no extra weight there. Also the KH is 200 grams heavier now because of the Oddeseys :rolleyes:

[brendan]

I think you mean frames as all the rims are alu.


yeah woops sorry i should learn to slow down. But well its all pretty obvious so if people were cleverer (like you) they'd get it.


I'm not sure but I think that the Qu-ax 5.5kg weight is the 20" version, there's 2 versions, one with a trials tire and one with a BMX tire. Both unicycles come with a lightweight set of cranks, if you upgrade them in strength they will also become heavier. The KH already has stronger cranks, so no extra weight there. Also the KH is 200 grams heavier now because of the Oddeseys :rolleyes:

bah i just quoted stock weights, its not as if they are very reliable anyways, and yeah i see what you mean, the qu-ax has the heavier stronger cranks so is heavier... its fair enough. And yeah the KH snaffus were real heavy allready and now kris went and shoved even heavier pedals, not sure why it seems real stupid since everyone has turned into weightfreaks since he released his unis and now hes made all his uni's heavier.

[supernova]

Get the Quax

[vanpaun]

Awhile ago I crossed off the Quax 1500, and replaced it with the stronger model 1400. I was borderline both seemed great, So I went to a bike shop and lo and behold there was an 05 (i think) quax that had just been run over. You would think its frame twisted the tire contorted, but all that was hurt was the spokes. I got the 1400. w00t. i get it on friday assembled courtesy of my bike shop.

[vanpaun]

Oh yeah, it comes on friday.

[WWUunicycler]

The Qu-ax Crossfire trials isn't a bad unicycle is it?

I'm probably an average trials/street rider. I USED to have a 20" KH that I loved but when my car was stolen a few months back I kicked myself for leaving the uni in the trunk!! I did get the car back, but was pretty disappointed still. They probably sold it to a pawn shop for $20.

But anyway, I don't quite have the money now to buy another KH trials. So I'm looking at the Crossfire which I can get for about $300 after shipping. I know it's probably a severe downgrade and there are other trials rides in between these two but I can't really spend much more. Are the cranks on the Crossfire pretty strong? Strong enough for 3-4ft drops? Any other opinions on strength of this uni? I don't do anything too hardcore, I just need an average trials I think.

Thanks!

[WWUunicycler]

The Qu-ax Crossfire trials isn't a bad unicycle is it?

I'm probably an average trials/street rider. I USED to have a 20" KH that I loved but when my car was stolen a few months back I kicked myself for leaving the uni in the trunk!! I did get the car back, but was pretty disappointed still. They probably sold it to a pawn shop for $20.

But anyway, I don't quite have the money now to buy another KH trials. So I'm looking at the Crossfire which I can get for about $300 after shipping. I know it's probably a severe downgrade and there are other trials rides in between these two but I can't really spend much more. Are the cranks on the Crossfire pretty strong? Strong enough for 3-4ft drops? Any other opinions on strength of this uni? I don't do anything too hardcore, I just need an average trials I think.

Thanks!

[vanpaun]

ya, it should take 4 feet drops. if you plan on doing trials for a 100 more take the trials one. although heavier it is built like a mountain. so for street the crossfire would serve you better

[Crooked]

i have the quax and i like it but i have nothing to compare to cus i have just riden that and my crapy extreme
but judging from the picture the "bearingholder" on the nimbus looks better :p

[WWUunicycler]

Thanks for the quick replies.

So you're saying that even though they call it a "Qu-ax Crossfire Trials Cycle" (the 1500 model) that it's more just for street riding? It's got a splined hub, ISIS cranks, and the same tire as my KH had. So shouldn't it be "pretty close" to the same?

Also does anyone know how the cushion-y the saddle really is? Sometimes they can say "thick padding" but then it's so stiff it feels like a rock. It's an easy thing to change/upgrade later but I was just curious.

[isaac steiner]

Isaac Steiner:Qu-Ax::CKCrowe:Torker


lol, ive changed;) :p

[costo]

lol, ive changed;) :p
That's called growing up, mate ;)

WWUunicycler, I'd rather get the Nimbus than the qu-ax cross (model 1500), because the crossfire qu-ax is NOT a trials unicycle. As qu-ax says on their website, it's for cross riding. I'd say it's great for offroad riding, but not for trials and/or street and/or real muni (like KH does) : the rim is not in question here at all, it's more a matter of hub and cranks. (that was the goal of Qu-Ax, that's why they do the 1400 and 1500).

If I were you, after having owned a KH, I'd get the Nimbus (if possible, with KH Moments of course), it'll feel closer.

I don't know about prices in the US though.

[WOFT]

Thanks for the quick replies.

Also does anyone know how the cushion-y the saddle really is? Sometimes they can say "thick padding" but then it's so stiff it feels like a rock. It's an easy thing to change/upgrade later but I was just curious.

The cross saddle is more comfy than the KH street, but not as nice for SIF riding. The cross muni and KH freeride saddles are comfier, but I find them too bulky for a street/trials uni.

[WWUunicycler]

Thanks costo, I think I'll take your advice. I CAN get KH Moments with the Nimbus, for a bit more though, but it sounds like it's worth it.

[costo]

Thanks costo, I think I'll take your advice. I CAN get KH Moments with the Nimbus, for a bit more though, but it sounds like it's worth it.
I certainly don't regret getting the Moments, along with the aluminium DX pedals (standard by UDC with the Nimbus ISIS Trials), because the angle (and the grip compared to simple plastic pedals) allows me not to hit my ankles on the cranks when placing my feet too close to the wheel. (but that's probably a newbie problem as I've been riding only for 2-3 weeks).
Anyway, you won't see a post on the Nimbus ISIS that doesn't advise to take the KH Moments over standard cranks.

[Jim]

Thanks for the quick replies.

So you're saying that even though they call it a "Qu-ax Crossfire Trials Cycle" (the 1500 model) that it's more just for street riding? It's got a splined hub, ISIS cranks, and the same tire as my KH had. So shouldn't it be "pretty close" to the same?

If you had read through this thread, you would have noticed the Crossfire has a BMX tire 20x2.25 not a trials tire so the the tire is much smaller than the KH tire and because the rim size is different you can not fit a bigger tire on the crossfire.
The crossfire comes with lightweight cranks that are not as strong as the KH cranks - though you can upgrade the cranks later. Th KH comes with a lighter frame made of aluminum and a better saddle but you can upgrade these parts on your crossfire later. There is a reason why the KH is more expensive.

jim