Fabian Mark's record hop (111.5cm)

[Spencer Hochberg]

Loic linked me to this, its insane.
It is 111.5cm or 43.9"
He is the same guy from "4am forever".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZN23xMizMs

[ivan]

That's very impressive.

Does he touch the pallets with his hand, though? Wouldn't that be "sticking it"?

Still, incredible. I want to see more of his videos.

[UniSoney]

Isn`t the world record 110cm? Zack Baldwin did it, so this means new world record? I`ve actually never heard about this guy before..

[Mikeswarbrick]

Thats just taking the piss!

Haha, that is awesome, I take my hat off to him, but Ryans record was beaten yesterday by someone else, and now it's just been beaten again by this geezer haha!

A mate of mine got 111cm! He doesn't use the forums. He is not gonna be happy...

Mike

[trials2k]

He is the same guy from "4am forever".

does ne1 have the link to this vid? i would like to view it haha

but that hop is damn sweet, i wish i had 7 pallets to practice on so i could upgrade my hop without having to travel ages away to find something new to get up lol

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

wow. that was crazy!

[Matt_V]

That is insane. :eek:

Yestarday I was just practicing dropping that height and he just hopped up it.

What is Ryan's highest?

[extremtrialist]

109 cm

Here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-_EiOkoEee0)

-Hugo-

[UniSoney]

zack Baldwin leapt 110cm, rite?

[Radical Reed]

its funny because the guys prehop is like the same hight as my highest hop:o :p

[maximus unius]

Thats just taking the piss!

Haha, that is awesome, I take my hat off to him, but Ryans record was beaten yesterday by someone else, and now it's just been beaten again by this geezer haha!

A mate of mine got 111cm! He doesn't use the forums. He is not gonna be happy...

Mike
Wait, who beat Ryan's record yesterday? And who's your mate that got 111? Joe Hodges? Wow this is crazy, Ryan needs to go out and film something crazy right now.

[Matt_V]

In this thread
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57213&highlight=Atkins+Zack+Ryan
Everyone seems to think that Ryan Atkins can hop higher then Zack, but if Zack can hop 110 cm and Ryan can only hop 109 cm... then im confused

[thejdw]

In this thread
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57213&highlight=Atkins+Zack+Ryan
Everyone seems to think that Ryan Atkins can hop higher then Zack, but if Zack can hop 110 cm and Ryan can only hop 109 cm... then im confused
Ryan didn't hop clean onto the wall though

[Émile Mathieu-B.]

Your right but if you pause the film when he calculate the height, the 1m09 is not at the top of the rocks...So he really jump 109cm.

[unifreak7]

This is why i don't like trials. Too much is placed on just the verticle. Verticle is just leg strength with form. Ryan has the perfect form, so does Zack, and I guess this guy. All that's left is stronger legs. This guy may have stronger legs, or just just busted his unicycle into the ground harder. Lets go with the highest unispin: 24.5 inches. Keaton Miller, which at the height you know it's more form than leg strength, until it gets up over 40".

-Shaun Johanneson

[malabaristapablo]

its funny because the guys prehop is like the same hight as my highest hop:o :p

hahahaha me too!! It's incredible!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Spencer Hochberg]

does ne1 have the link to this vid? i would like to view it haha
Here (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54296&highlight=)

[wickedbob]

That is insane!.... Yeah his prehop is probably higher than my regular hop lol...

[henkka]

It looks like he could jump maybe max 50 or 60 cm seat in, but when he pull that uni up tire almost touch he's ass. Ryan doesn't pull uni so high and his prehop is actually pretty small.

[Mikeswarbrick]

Wait, who beat Ryan's record yesterday? And who's your mate that got 111? Joe Hodges? Wow this is crazy, Ryan needs to go out and film something crazy right now.

Yeah it was, I gave him a call yesterday and he was quite annoyed haha. He was so happy he got 111cm though.

Anyway, he said that he thinks that he might be able to beat it. Look out for the BUC videos... Look for Joe Hodges and Mike Swarbricks video... Joe's part is dope.

Mike

[Émile Mathieu-B.]

It looks like he could jump maybe max 50 or 60 cm seat in, but when he pull that uni up tire almost touch he's ass. Ryan doesn't pull uni so high and his prehop is actually pretty small.


He jumped higher anyway...

[burjzyntski]

Either he's taller than he looks or he's riding a 16" wheel - It just looks so tiny.

[forrestunifreak]

Either he's taller than he looks or he's riding a 16" wheel - It just looks so tiny.

Looks like a White Widow to me...

[Danni]

:eek:OMG!:eek:
That blows my 80cm out the door! Holy SH*T!
I just watched this like 100 times...

omg

[Danni]

This is why i don't like trials. Too much is placed on just the verticle. Verticle is just leg strength with form. Ryan has the perfect form, so does Zack, and I guess this guy. All that's left is stronger legs. This guy may have stronger legs, or just just busted his unicycle into the ground harder. Lets go with the highest unispin: 24.5 inches. Keaton Miller, which at the height you know it's more form than leg strength, until it gets up over 40".

-Shaun Johanneson

This comment really pissed me off. With the same kind of vain reasoning, I can quickly deduce that street is all spins, nothing very big, and no vertical hight to any tricks that look the same. So basically it's just the mental aspect and how fast you can flip. Shaun J is good at it, but all he has is good flipping techniques. What is the difference between a double and a triple? They both look the same so why do it?

I'm not saying your shitting on trials (though you kind of are), but you should respect people.

[bobousse]

+1 i totally agree with you
side hops in trials riding are really technical... and not only influenced by leg power

[thejdw]

Your right but if you pause the film when he calculate the height, the 1m09 is not at the top of the rocks...So he really jump 109cm.
I still think he hopped in the 104- 107 range. But I sopose now if you asked him to do a 109cm high hop onto pallets he would probs be able to do it

[harper]

This is why i don't like trials. Too much is placed on just the verticle. Verticle is just leg strength with form. Ryan has the perfect form, so does Zack, and I guess this guy. All that's left is stronger legs. This guy may have stronger legs, or just just busted his unicycle into the ground harder. Lets go with the highest unispin: 24.5 inches. Keaton Miller, which at the height you know it's more form than leg strength, until it gets up over 40".

-Shaun Johanneson

This is also interesting as it applies to existing olympic events. Track and field events can all be measured. Swimming races can be measured. But there are olympic events (completely lame olympic events in my opinion) which rely on judges to determine "form" and evaluate the outcome. Diving, figure skating, and gymnastics are examples of these. Even team sports are questionable because they require officials. What kind of competition is it when some panel decides that your costume is prettiest, your hair looks the best, or they think your form has the attibutes required to make it more artistic? Was that really a foul?

If the result can be measured, it is a sport. If someone says Billy's pants are cooler and his double flip is more aesthetically pleasing than Bobby's triple flip, it is an art. How HIGH can you jump? How FAST can you cover 100m from a dead stop? How FAR can you throw a javelin? How FAST can you swim the backstroke 100m? These are olympic sports. Nice dive. Good rings performance. Great futbol game, glad we got that favorable call. Great skating routine, nice costumes. These are not olympic sports.

How do street and trials unicycling fit into this? You can have an opinion about the best street rider. You know damn well who can do the highest verticle sidehop.

[francisco]

This comment really pissed me off. With the same kind of vain reasoning, I can quickly deduce that street is all spins, nothing very big, and no vertical hight to any tricks that look the same. So basically it's just the mental aspect and how fast you can flip. Shaun J is good at it, but all he has is good flipping techniques. What is the difference between a double and a triple? They both look the same so why do it?

I'm not saying your shitting on trials (though you kind of are), but you should respect people.

+10

[Keldridge]

First of all... Amazing job by this guy. I couldn't imagine hopping that high.

Secondly, I don't think anyone said he was an amazing trials rider. Just that his hop was probably the current world's best.

I think there is a tendency from the general public to look at one or two easily measured things in a discipline, compare riders based on those things, and declare a best. I kinda think thats what Shaun J. was talking about. It seems that most every discussion about who is great in trials quickly turns to who can jump the highest.

Several people have tried to compare unicycling to track and field in the olympics. How fast, how far, how high. Things that are easily measured. I think the only event that really compares to trials or street tho is the decathalon. Its not just about who jumps higher... A decathalete has to be very good at 10 different things... A great high jumper will probably not win the decathalon, and a great decathalete will probably not win the high jump.

I think most people in this thread agree... What a great high jump! Amazing..! Congratulations!

Now... I don't know how good of a trials rider he is. I will go watch some of the other videos linked here and form my opinion on that. For me... one hop doesn't vault him to the top of the trials world. BUT, if he can do lots of other stuff really well, I may personally rank him very high. I'll form an opinion that probably hardly anyone else will share cuz its based on personal preference.

Maybe we should put more weight on NAUCC/BUC/FLUCK/etc rankings and Unicon rankings... At least at those competitions, the same (hopefully well trained) judges are using the same criteria on the same day at the same course to compare the riders, and declare the best. True, being a trials champion is about as subjective as being a figure skating champion, but at least there is a basis of comparison and guidelines for that honor.

Just my two cents worth... sorry if I rambled too much...

Keld

[forrestunifreak]

Maybe we should put more weight on NAUCC/BUC/FLUCK/etc rankings and Unicon rankings... At least at those competitions, the same (hopefully well trained) judges are using the same criteria on the same day at the same course to compare the riders, and declare the best.


I don't think so. Because at competitions like that it only compares the people who were able to go to the event.

For example, I won the street comp at last year's NAUCC, but does that compare me to any other street riders? No way.



I agree with the first part of your post though. :) You hit it right on.

[pete66]

Secondly, I don't think anyone said he was an amazing trials rider. Just that his hop was probably the current world's best.

I'm guessing he is one of the best trials riders. I've found that out of the people I've ridden with, the ones who can hop the highest are also the best and most consistant trials riders.

Show me one example of a rider who can static hop over 95cm but ISN'T awesome at trials! Which riders can you think of who can hop high? Ryan Atkins? What a coincidence, he's also mind hurtingly good at trials.

If you're able to hop 109cm, your form has to be good down to the smallest detail. Therefore, you're very likely to be good at other aspects of trials.

[skrobo]

I'm guessing he is one of the best trials riders. I've found that out of the people I've ridden with, the ones who can hop the highest are also the best and most consistant trials riders.

Show me one example of a rider who can static hop over 95cm but ISN'T awesome at trials! Which riders can you think of who can hop high? Ryan Atkins? What a coincidence, he's also mind hurtingly good at trials.

If you're able to hop 109cm, your form has to be good down to the smallest detail. Therefore, you're very likely to be good at other aspects of trials.
uhm
I suck at trials and I can SIF static hop something like 30" now. I couldn't land on a 4x4 4 feet away if I tried like 10 times...I Might could get it once. I can sidehop about 6 feet without too much trouble too.

trials is about precision, I agree with that, and yes, once you get that high you can assume that the person is a good trials rider because you don't just practice ups the whole time, you ride... and you ride, and you hop across/up/down things, and you ride(pedal) some more.

Who gives a crap if he can hop 3 cm higher than ryan atkins, that doesn't make him any better. 3 cm is nothing. I bet if Ryan had 1/10 psi more or less in his tire it could easily affect his hopping hieght that much. Any of them could break the record, ryan, joe, or (forgot his name at the moment) They have massive ups, get over it, go show them up, or wait, YOU CAN'T, nor will you ever. SHUT UP ALREADY. This guy is freaking awesome at ups, just wait for a well edited video with him in it to judge the rest, for now, I am assuming he is good at all trials.

The whole thing ends up as this: a new guy comes up and breaks a record. People congratulate, a heated argument comes about, comment(s) is/are mad about the stupidity of what you guys are doing, you shut up, 10 more decent comments are made, then the argument happens again, thread dies, ressurected 3 months later, everyone is ashamed of what they said, booohooo!

[harper]

Several people have tried to compare unicycling to track and field in the olympics. How fast, how far, how high. Things that are easily measured. I think the only event that really compares to trials or street tho is the decathalon. Its not just about who jumps higher... A decathalete has to be very good at 10 different things... A great high jumper will probably not win the decathalon, and a great decathalete will probably not win the high jump.



Outstanding analogy.

[TrialsUni]

This is why i don't like trials. Too much is placed on just the verticle.

I'm sure a lot of people could critisize street for similar things. "This is why I don't like street. Too much is placed on just flip tricks." And you know what? Both sentiments are partially true.

Sure, I love trials the most, but I love watching people unicycle and watching a good unicycling movie any day of the week, especially if people are creative about the movies they make. Unicycling is a very enjoyable thing to me. And I'm glad to see other members of the community who have open minds about the sport, those who push the limits, those who celebrate it. I'm psyched about this sport, because it is so diverse. There's street, flatland, trials, cross-country, distance/marathon, MUni/Freeride/DH, freestyle, track, bc, ultimate wheel, eccentric, giraffe, multiple wheel, etc...

I know I'm partially thread-jacking, but this lack of tolerance to the diversity of unicycling bugs me. Is there anyone else out there who can respect the different genres and sub-genres of unicycling, even if you don't participate in them all?

Anyway. That hop was pretty cool! I can't hop that high (yet). It's nice to see that we haven't found the limit yet. I wonder what unicycle hops will top out at. No use in wondering. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, and some of us will be able to keep pushing.

I hope we'll be seeing more of this fellow in the years to come, and that he continues to be an accomplished and active rider within the community.

[maximus unius]

I think people are forgeting a MAJOR part of trials here. Ups and gaps are not everything. A good trials rider can ride a rail. I bet there are plenty of people who can hop a good 90cm, but can't ride a rail very well at all. Big moves are not all trials is, presision and technicality are a huge part of it and those fall under rail riding (granted you have to have presision to hop 90cm or gap 6 feet).

EDIT: To what TrialsUni said. I totally agree about the respecting other other parts of unicycling.

DOUBLEEDIT: Shaun, I hate to say it, and your still an awesome rider, but you're a bit of a hippocrite. Lke TrialsUni said, your style of street (tech) is way too centered around flips. Sure, you can argue that tech street would pretty much be nothing without flips, but there are soo many other things that can be invented that are as tech or even more tech than flips. I couldn't go a week without doing ups in my riding (trials) and I'm sure that you couldn't go a week without doing flips in your riding. Do you know why that is? Because ups and flips are such a huge part of our different styles of riding. Accept that, and tolerate other styles of riding. Stop trying to push street so much.

[headstone]

This is also interesting as it applies to existing olympic events. Track and field events can all be measured. Swimming races can be measured. But there are olympic events (completely lame olympic events in my opinion) which rely on judges to determine "form" and evaluate the outcome. Diving, figure skating, and gymnastics are examples of these. Even team sports are questionable because they require officials. What kind of competition is it when some panel decides that your costume is prettiest, your hair looks the best, or they think your form has the attibutes required to make it more artistic? Was that really a foul?

If the result can be measured, it is a sport. If someone says Billy's pants are cooler and his double flip is more aesthetically pleasing than Bobby's triple flip, it is an art. How HIGH can you jump? How FAST can you cover 100m from a dead stop? How FAR can you throw a javelin? How FAST can you swim the backstroke 100m? These are olympic sports. Nice dive. Good rings performance. Great futbol game, glad we got that favorable call. Great skating routine, nice costumes. These are not olympic sports.

While I agree with you over all, what happens when that 100 meter backstroker get disqualified (by an official) when he glides slightly too long after flipping on to his stomach at the wall? Or when the sprinter moves just slightly too far forward before the gun goes off, and gets thrown out of the race (by an official)? Seems like a 'favourable call' for the guy who placed behind them...

[harper]

While I agree with you over all, what happens when that 100 meter backstroker get disqualified (by an official) when he glides slightly too long after flipping on to his stomach at the wall? Or when the sprinter moves just slightly too far forward before the gun goes off, and gets thrown out of the race (by an official)? Seems like a 'favourable call' for the guy who placed behind them...

All good points. In short, all events are officiated.

[Lutz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYP4w8ehTyk&NR=1

I was so happy when I made 105 cma few weeks ago, cant imagine how somebody can jump so high.

[amanda.gallacher]

oh. my. god.

[Danni]

OMFG. 11.5 to 14.5 is a huge step.
This dood is a machine!

[Uni-NL-]

WoW ! it's amazing ...

[Fredrik_Justnes]

Sick!

[ntappin]

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[Rocco]

Impressive.

[r-cormier]

hes got like 35cm on me!! How long has he been riding, and how old is he?

[Danni]

He's 17, and has been riding for 1.5 years.

[recommanded poster]

wo that's impressive

the high jump competition of fluck will be fun if he will come

[Fredrik_Justnes]

wo that's impressive

the high jump competition of fluck will be fun if he will come
It will not be fun.. :P

[Mikeswarbrick]

Suhweet.

xxxx

[mawesome]

Does Fabian have any other videos apart from 4am Forever?

I've seen that video, but I think the riding to not-riding ratio was a bit off, with a lot of not-riding in it, not that not-riding is a bad thing, the video was great.

I'd just like to see him doing some more conventional lines and see what kind of rider he is independent from his hop height.

Also, I'd like this video to, if possible, be loaded to something like youtube or google video as well as one of the higher quality sites. Limited downloads is a bitch, and my mb budget doesn't allow for mane large scale videos.

-Keven Mckay

[pete66]

It's an awesome hop but the method of measuring seemed pretty dodgy to me... I mean, the pallets weren't stacked straight so it would've been impossible to measure straight from the ground to where we see the 114.5 in the video. To suss out the actual height hopped up you'd have to know how far across it was measured from...

to give you guys a ballpark idea of the maths, if it's measured up 114.5cm and across 35cm... the actual height would be 109cm. (this is just an example)

[Émile5]

It's an awesome hop but the method of measuring seemed pretty dodgy to me... I mean, the pallets weren't stacked straight so it would've been impossible to measure straight from the ground to where we see the 114.5 in the video. To suss out the actual height hopped up you'd have to know how far across it was measured from...

to give you guys a ballpark idea of the maths, if it's measured up 114.5cm and across 35cm... the actual height would be 109cm. (this is just an example)

Well, it seems we just have to trust him.

But I would like to see him jump on the same ledge Ryan Atkins did or Joes' one.

[oneisenough]

wow, and i was happy when i hopped 4 pallets

[Probailer2]

Woow, 114,5 cm:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
VERY IMPRESIVE

Peter M

[KlownLife]

Joe is King, his hop was to a wall...no questions asked.

[Spencer Hochberg]

Joe is King, his hop was to a wall...no questions asked.
Just wondering, how is that more impressive if its a wall? I would much rather hop to a wall because walls dont move under you.

[pete66]

Joe is King, his hop was to a wall...no questions asked.

how is that more impressive if its a wall?

heh

[Spencer Hochberg]

heh
Haha, or was he saying that the measurement is more exact?
Did I miss something?

[KlownLife]

Because the wall was not at an angle, there wasn't different sizes at parts of the wall etc.
It was definately 110.5cm...

[Spencer Hochberg]

Because the wall was not at an angle, there wasn't different sizes at parts of the wall etc.
It was definately 110.5cm...
Ah ok, I get it now:o

[Jerrick]

If you angle tha pallets, its still gonna be the same height.

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....| Its still 4 lines high.

I know about measuring from the base cause the angle on the tape measure adding on a few cm, so h needs to go to the side and go straight up.

[Spencer Hochberg]

If you angle tha pallets, its still gonna be the same height.

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| Its 4 lines high.

......|
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....| Its still 4 lines high.
But if its kind of like this (how it looks in the video)
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And you measure from the base of the lower pallet and touch it to the top of the stack then the tape measure will be at an angle so it will say its taller.

[amanda.gallacher]

@ Jerrick: But then if the pallets are angled, when the tape measure is put at the bottom of first, then top of pallets then it is at an angle so will show a longer measurement than if they are straight.

Edit: Spencer beat me

[Joe2005]

Oh this is just crap he can hop higher than anyone on here so what if it's .0001255546 cm off!!!

[mawesome]

Well, actually it's be more than .0001255546 cm, several thousand times more. Lets just say there are 8 pallets, which I'm pretty sure there were, and each pallet is up to 4 cm off, this means that the maximum the top pallet can be off by as much as 32cm. Now using Pythagoras a^2 + b^2 = c^2 we get...

a^2 + b^2 = c^2
a^2 + 32^2 = 114.5^2
a^2 + 1024 = 13110^2
a^2 = 12086
a = 109

Which means that it's more like 5 cm off, which is slightly more than 0.0001.



I think what Jerrick means is measure from a side that isn't angled, so you don't have to worry about the travel from side to side, and work out the whole thing that I just did.

-Keven Mckay

Also, yeah, I know I didn't quite get the a, b and c right, but still, the working out's the same.

[packeruni]

I know this thread has been dead for 2 years, but it's still cool to look back and see when 114.5 was amazing, when now Joe Hodges, Fabian Mark, and Max Schulze can jump 130 cm.

[tim_desmet]

I know this thread has been dead for 2 years, but it's still cool to look back and see when 114.5 was amazing, when now Joe Hodges, Fabian Mark, and Max Schulze can jump 130 cm.
this is even 'only' 111cm...
now there are quite a lot people who can jump it... (me too:p)
yeah.. the unicycle level is changed A LOT in 2-3years...:)

[hungry4uni]

I know this thread has been dead for 2 years, but it's still cool to look back and see when 114.5 was amazing, when now Joe Hodges, Fabian Mark, and Max Schulze can jump 130 cm.

Max has the record at 133cm.

[kerosian]

so do Fabian and Joe. I'm pretty sure they all have gotten 133cm.

[padst3r]

i know Joes done 136 but that was a while ago