"Bumping" door locks is easy...that's not good!

[MuniAddict]

I need to upgrade to "non-bumpable" door locks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr23tpWX8lM

[Tomahawk]

dee dee dee

17856

[MuniAddict]

dee dee dee

17856Easy to break or cut. Besides are you going to put one on every outside door? Yeah I know that kind can be locked when you leave home, but they are still very easy to break. I've owned several.

[Tomahawk]

Easy to break or cut. Besides are you going to put one on every outside door? Yeah I know that kind can be locked when you leave home, but they are still very easy to break. I've owned several.
Yes, people can cut metal chains with wire clippers, but the reason people are afraid of lock bumping is because anyone can do it in a few seconds.

[john_childs]

This is last year's news (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45876). For some reason the TV news networks are just discovering this security problem. It made the TV newscast here in Seattle recently. Welcome to last year.

[dudewithasock]

This is last year's news (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45876). For some reason the TV news networks are just discovering this security problem. It made the TV newscast here in Seattle recently. Welcome to last year.

SHOT DOWN.

Just kidding

[john_childs]

SHOT DOWN.

Just kidding
The comment about welcome to last year was directed at the TV news that has just discovered this problem after it had run its course on the internet more than a year ago. It wasn't directed at MuniAddict.

[dudewithasock]

The comment about welcome to last year was directed at the TV news that has just discovered this problem after it had run its course on the internet more than a year ago. It wasn't directed at MuniAddict.

That's why I said:

Just kidding

I saw we sing a song to reconcile* our differences.

*Did I even use that correctly?

[MuniAddict]

This is last year's news (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45876). For some reason the TV news networks are just discovering this security problem. It made the TV newscast here in Seattle recently. Welcome to last year.Well I hadn't heard of it until now as I'm sure many others hadn't either. Consider it a public service announcement.:)

[ThisGuyIKnow]

You think it's locks that keep people out of your house, your car, your stuff?

If people want your stuff they'll get it regardless of locks, security systems, weapons in the home. There is no reason to live in fear.

This is just one more example of how the irrational fear of bad people runs rampant in this country (the USA). The way the news story runs does more harm than good. It's playing on people's fears and does more harm than good.

[john_childs]

The TV news sensationalizes. They always do. But there is nothing wrong with getting the information out that common locks are now easily broken in to. So now people have an idea that maybe there is a good reason why they might opt for a more expensive or higher security lock that the typical tumbler locks you find at Home Depot.

It's the same thing with computer security issues. Keeping the information secret does not make the systems more secure.

[tunkie]

Odd thats the Memphis news people.

[monkeyman]

I saw* we sing a song to reconcile our differences.

*Did I even use that correctly?
No.

I love how the news program tries to make themselves sound so benevolent. I'm glad the media protects me.

[MuniAddict]

You think it's locks that keep people out of your house, your car, your stuff?

If people want your stuff they'll get it regardless of locks, security systems, weapons in the home. There is no reason to live in fear.

This is just one more example of how the irrational fear of bad people runs rampant in this country (the USA). The way the news story runs does more harm than good. It's playing on people's fears and does more harm than good.Ok why not not just leave your car and house unlocked at all times? After all, taking basic safeguards like that is just displaying your " irrational fear". GIve me a break!

[chester1234]

I think that its funny how they made sure not to talk about how to do it so that criminals don't find out, but they tell you exactly where you can learn how to do it.

[monkeyman]

While you're at it, get rid of that silly "insurance" thing. You're just being a fraidy-cat.

[dudewithasock]

No.

I love how the news program tries to make themselves sound so benevolent. I'm glad the media protects me.

Don't be so mean.

[habbywall]

I saw this on youtube last year, forgot how I got to it. But I wanted to try it, still haven't though.

[Ducttape]

I saw this on youtube last year, forgot how I got to it. But I wanted to try it, still haven't though.
I've known how to do it for a while and have never used it I perfer an old fashioned lock pick, you should have to work to get that nice shiny new iPod out of that nice shiny new Jaguar sports car's front passenger seat...... or that nice shiny new laptop off that nice new dining room table in that bay window out front of the house..... keep valuables out of sight because if a crook sees something he want's he'll risk even breaking a window to get at it.....

[habbywall]

Good point ducttape. Five years ago my dad left is wallet on his drivers side seat. The guy broke his wondow to get it. Just a couple years ago I was with him when it came back in the mail. Boy was that a surprise.

[Ducttape]

I don't speak from expeience on the subject of stealing but, I do know what I am talking about due to the company I used to keep.......

[Tomahawk]

♫ I'm gonna bump your laaa-ock, I'm gonna bump your lock ♫

[Jerrick]

I have about 4 of those keys that I have made. =p

[Ducttape]

I have about 4 of those keys that I have made. =p
They aren't that hard to make....

[Jerrick]

They aren't that hard to make....

Not at all, they are soo fun to use. I use them either on my friends house or my house. Never had a reason or need to use it on a random house for my own gain.

Infact, I think I shall file down another useless key I have.

[john_childs]

Not at all, they are soo fun to use. I use them either on my friends house or my house. Never had a reason or need to use it on a random house for my own gain.

Infact, I think I shall file down another useless key I have.
Did you get them to work? Work easily? Was it tricky to get a key properly filed?

[Jerrick]

Did you get them to work? Work easily? Was it tricky to get a key properly filed?

Yeah, all of them work perfectly, sometime they are stubborn, but usually it never takes more than 5 taps for it to unlock the door.

To file the key was easy. I took a marker, and marked how low the keys need to go, then just used a triangular file on the key. Doesnt take to long to grind away at the notches.

[Spudman]

I've been pondering making a bump key for a while, but I've held off because I'd probably have too much fun with it. That's what happened last time I played around with making my own keys...

[john_childs]

One thing that's interesting is that most good bike locks (I'm ignoring the bike locks you'll find at Wal Mart) have more secure lock mechanisms than the deadbolt locks that are used to lock new homes.

When Kryptonite had the problem with Bic pens being able to open up some of their locks there was panic and they did a recall. Why is there more concern over bicycle locks than home locks? Many (most? all?) good bike locks from the last couple of years are no longer the tumbler style so aren't bumpable. It looks like all the deadbolts that you can find at Home Depot are still regular tumbler locks. Bike locks keep up with the times but home locks do not.

[ThisGuyIKnow]

Ok why not not just leave your car and house unlocked at all times? After all, taking basic safeguards like that is just displaying your " irrational fear". GIve me a break!

If you've ever left your keys in your car and had someone come to unlock it for you, you know how easy it is to open any car with the right tools and the proper training. The point is it's not worth losing any sleep over. It's not even worth going out to buy new locks. If they want to get in your house and you have better locks they'll break your window. If you have a security system they'll get in and get out before the cops come. If you have a gun in your home and think that protects you they'll come when you're not home.

Leaving your doors completely unlocked leaves you open to crime of opportunity, someone might see it and come in even if they hadn't planned anything, but anyone who is going to use a bump key has already made a decision to break into someone's house so no type of lock is going to prevent them.

My point is that it's not something worth worrying about.

How long have you had bumpable locks on your house and how many times have you been broken into?

[Borges]

In the store where I bought my locks they warned me about getting these new safer ones, because if I lost my keys, how would I get in?

I bought them anyway. That way, at least there'll be "visible signs of breaking and entering" in case the insurance company suspects fraud.

[tobbogonist]

Here we just leave the back door open, incase a mate forgot some shit last time he/she was over.

[gabetheunicycleman]

impressioning is the way. picking takes too long, bump keys are leave marks on the pins and door, impressioning takes around 15 mins, and you end up with a working key. thats what i did for my schools locks. heheh.

[habbywall]

If your worried about it get a dog. I know a cop, he says that at most of the house robberies he goes to there is no dog, but there is one next store. If the robber knows you have a dog he will probably just skip over to the next house. Unless he's going for your unicycles.

[maestro8]

Terry, it's looking like you should just start a new thread called "MuniAddict's favorite YouTube clips"...

BTW, when did you start working quality control for YouTube? Do they pay well? How are your hours? :p

[Borgschulze]

I have to post on this subject.

What you need is a key cut to all 9's, and the shoulder filed down so the key can go in the lock further.

Also, they said Schlage locks couldn't be bumped. This is not true, Schlage locks are the EASIEST to bump according to a two hour lock bumping video I watched of some Dutch people demonstrating it.

I've known about lock bumping for almost five years now.

[Joe2005]

Does it mess up the lock when doing this?

[kington99]

No, and that's part of the problem. As there are no signs of forced entry insurance companies will not pay out, saying that you must have left it unlocked. I suspect what you mean is 'can I try this at home without messing up my locks?', should be fine, you don't have to whack the thing, just a gentle tep.

[Joe2005]

No, and that's part of the problem. As there are no signs of forced entry insurance companies will not pay out, saying that you must have left it unlocked. I suspect what you mean is 'can I try this at home without messing up my locks?', should be fine, you don't have to whack the thing, just a gentle tep.
Yeah I don't think I'll be trying this.

[kington99]

Yeah I don't think I'll be trying this.

Yes well I wasn't going to say it deffinitely wouldn't. If you really want to try it out just buy a cheap padlock for a few bucks, if you screw it up it's no big deal.

[James_Potter]

I tried to make a bump key, just for fun, and it didn't work...I think it's because I'm not very skilled with a metal file.