What are your Thanksgiving plans?

[Jonny_Peacock]

Whats everybody doing this year for Thanksgiving? I'm staying in town this year, and just having some family come in town.

jonny

[mornish]

usually I go see my grandparents in Texas, but this year I'm staying home.

[ivan]

I'm gonna say "thank you" to everyone that I'll remember to say thank you to.

[gordito8me]

I'm gonna sit on my couch and wait for my ankle to heal so I can go unicycle.

[James_Potter]

I'm just gonna eat stuff...its gonna be funny, because I've never been vegetarian for thanksgiving before, so...its gonna be funny.

[MuniAddict]

Going with family to Black Angus instead of the whole cooking/clean-up ritual.:D

[Jerrick]

I am going down to Moses Lake for Thanksgiving. Probably stay down there for a few days. Ill be brining my trials uni, so Ill show Moses lake about unicycling.

Should be good.

[ichirinsha]

im going to my bf's cousin's wedding in colorado!!!! im soooooo excited!!!! :)

-kaori

[mornish]

weddings are fun. they have food:)

[maximus unius]

My cousin and uncle are coming down from Maine to Virginia for a muni weekend on Thanksgiving weekend.

[onelesscar]

Homework cause I have final projects and finals due the week after....grrrr.... :mad:

Oh, and eat. :)

[timbob1907]

Im going to be leaving Mexico for san diego and then going home the next day.

[benjaug]

My cousin (MERCYME) is coming to my house with his family... bringing his unicycle, of course!

[BillyTheMountain]

I'm just gonna eat stuff...its gonna be funny, because I've never been vegetarian for thanksgiving before, so...its gonna be funny.

I recall my first vegetarian Thanksgiving. My parents, brother and 4 sisters were not supportive. They put meat on my plate, and when I didn't eat it, they said: You can't waste it.

By the next year, it was better.

This year my wife and I are havign some people over. should be fun!

[treepotato]

i'm gonna set up a rescue home for turkeys and save them all!

[csuko]

I am going down to Moses Lake for Thanksgiving. Probably stay down there for a few days. Ill be brining my trials uni, so Ill show Moses lake about unicycling.

Should be good.

Ha, MosesLake, I love that town. My uncle lives there and we stop in all the time.

[forrestunifreak]

We aren't doing anything... apart from the normal thanksgiving meal and stuff. Nobody coming over or anything.


Actually we have a bonfire in our backyard at night... I forgot about that.

[Jerrick]

Ha, MosesLake, I love that town. My uncle lives there and we stop in all the time.


That's awesome. =p

My Aunt, who is younger than me lol, grandma and grandpa live down there. As with me uncle too.

My grandpa has been down there for such a long time now, and we always go down there to visit, and he works ad LAD Irrigation. Has been for aobut 30 years now. =p

Have you ever heard of the band Moral Crux?

[JJtheunicycle]

going to elk WA for from wednedday to friday or something like that, where my family of nearly 40 people are gona eat and play footballlllll

[UniBrier]

i'm gonna set up a rescue home for turkeys and save them all!Hope you have a big freezer.


We're going to an Island, Camano that is. Eat deep fried Turkey and drink home made wine.

[csuko]

That's awesome. =p

My Aunt, who is younger than me lol, grandma and grandpa live down there. As with me uncle too.

My grandpa has been down there for such a long time now, and we always go down there to visit, and he works ad LAD Irrigation. Has been for aobut 30 years now. =p

Have you ever heard of the band Moral Crux?

So you have family there too. I used to drive combine every summer in the little town of Warden. That's were my uncle had his wheat ranch, he's retired now.

Never heard of the band. Is that a Christian Band?

BTW, there is a cool old guy that lives in Moses Lake named Monty Holmes. He owns a scrap metal business and he has a great museum of old trains and tractors. He claims to be the only former hobo in the world to own his own train line! You should check it out if he is still around! Last time I was there he was in his 80's and that was 7-8 years ago.

[Jerrick]

Nope, Moral Crux is my uncles band. They are a punk band, but not like pop punk stuff that's on the radio. Its true punk. But they are quite popular in the Moses like, Ephrata area. =p

Ill have to check out that scrap metal place.

Ill be leaving to go down there this Tuesday.

[BluntRM]

I'm just gonna eat stuff...its gonna be funny, because I've never been vegetarian for thanksgiving before, so...its gonna be funny.

This is my favorite vegetarian turkey roast (http://www.quorn.us//cmpage.aspx?pageid=462&productid=146). They're like nerf football sized mycoprotein solids. Tasty.:D

[BluntRM]

My cousin and uncle are coming down from Maine to Virginia for a muni weekend on Thanksgiving weekend.

4th Annual Belle Isle Muni Weekend, Richmond VA (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54416)

:D

[yoopers]

We're heading five hours down to Marion, IL to spend time with my parents and my grandmother. My three sisters and families should be there as well. Should be a great time.

Nana is soon to be 99 years old. She's still very active playing piano at the senior center and knitting baby caps for the hospital maternity ward. But we're not sure how many more holidays she'll make so every one is precious.

[podzol]

Bear and I are heading to a friend's local family ofn Thursday then an old buddy from Cleveland is coming and we have Thanksgiving on Friday at my place. Should be a lot of good food and company.

[wobbling bear]

the world will be more fun if we swapped vacation around different countries!
for instance you will get both 4th of July and 14th of July!

No thanksgiving here (yet! may be when Turkey joins the E.U -that one is very bad! -but couldn't resist-)

[JJuggle]

Apparently our Thanksgiving plans do not involve running hot water as our hot water heater died last night. We're going to cook and eat as planned, but we've rented a motel room to be able to go and shower later.

I'll have to add having the wherewithal to do that to the list of things to be thankful for.

[BillyTheMountain]

In memorium. Lest we forget.

The First Thanksgiving

From the Community Endeavor News, November, 1995,
as reprinted in Healing Global Wounds, Fall, 1996


The first official Thanksgiving wasn't a festive gathering of Indians and pilgrims, but rather a celebration of the massacre of 700 Pequot men, women and children, an anthropologist says. Due to age and illness his voice cracks as he talks about the holiday, but William B. Newell, 84, talks with force as he discusses Thanksgiving. Newell, a Penobscot, has degrees from two universities, and was the former chairman of the anthropology department at the University of Connecticut.

"Thanksgiving Day was first officially proclaimed by the Governor of the
Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1637 to commemorate the massacre of 700 men,
women and children who were celebrating their annual green core
dance-Thanksgiving Day to them-in their own house," Newell said.

"Gathered in this place of meeting they were attacked by mercenaries and
Dutch and English. The Indians were ordered from the building and as
they came forth they were shot down. The rest were burned alive in the
building," he said.

Newell based his research on studies of Holland Documents and the 13
volume Colonial Documentary History, both thick sets of letters and
reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the king in
England, and the private papers of Sir William Johnson, British Indian
agent for the New York colony for 30 years in the mid-1600s.

"My research is authentic because it is documentary," Newell said. "You
can't get anything more accurate than that because it is first hand. It
is not hearsay."

Newell said the next 100 Thanksgivings commemorated the killing of the
Indians at what is now Groton, Ct. [home of a nuclear submarine base]
rather than a celebration with them. He said the image of Indians and
Pilgrims sitting around a large table to celebrate Thanksgiving Day was
"fictitious" although Indians did share food with the first settlers.

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[Goats_On_Unicycles]

In memorium. Lest we forget.

The First Thanksgiving

From the Community Endeavor News, November, 1995,
as reprinted in Healing Global Wounds, Fall, 1996


The first official Thanksgiving wasn't a festive gathering of Indians and pilgrims, but rather a celebration of the massacre of 700 Pequot men, women and children, an anthropologist says. Due to age and illness his voice cracks as he talks about the holiday, but William B. Newell, 84, talks with force as he discusses Thanksgiving. Newell, a Penobscot, has degrees from two universities, and was the former chairman of the anthropology department at the University of Connecticut.

"Thanksgiving Day was first officially proclaimed by the Governor of the
Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1637 to commemorate the massacre of 700 men,
women and children who were celebrating their annual green core
dance-Thanksgiving Day to them-in their own house," Newell said.

"Gathered in this place of meeting they were attacked by mercenaries and
Dutch and English. The Indians were ordered from the building and as
they came forth they were shot down. The rest were burned alive in the
building," he said.

Newell based his research on studies of Holland Documents and the 13
volume Colonial Documentary History, both thick sets of letters and
reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the king in
England, and the private papers of Sir William Johnson, British Indian
agent for the New York colony for 30 years in the mid-1600s.

"My research is authentic because it is documentary," Newell said. "You
can't get anything more accurate than that because it is first hand. It
is not hearsay."

Newell said the next 100 Thanksgivings commemorated the killing of the
Indians at what is now Groton, Ct. [home of a nuclear submarine base]
rather than a celebration with them. He said the image of Indians and
Pilgrims sitting around a large table to celebrate Thanksgiving Day was
"fictitious" although Indians did share food with the first settlers.

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Yes, I knew about this. This is why I don't celebrate thanksgiving.

[onewheelinwierdo]

I'm gonna go unicycle!:p

[csuko]

In memorium. Lest we forget.

The First Thanksgiving

From the Community Endeavor News, November, 1995,
as reprinted in Healing Global Wounds, Fall, 1996


The first official Thanksgiving wasn't a festive gathering of Indians and pilgrims, but rather a celebration of the massacre of 700 Pequot men, women and children, an anthropologist says. Due to age and illness his voice cracks as he talks about the holiday, but William B. Newell, 84, talks with force as he discusses Thanksgiving. Newell, a Penobscot, has degrees from two universities, and was the former chairman of the anthropology department at the University of Connecticut.

"Thanksgiving Day was first officially proclaimed by the Governor of the
Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1637 to commemorate the massacre of 700 men,
women and children who were celebrating their annual green core
dance-Thanksgiving Day to them-in their own house," Newell said.

"Gathered in this place of meeting they were attacked by mercenaries and
Dutch and English. The Indians were ordered from the building and as
they came forth they were shot down. The rest were burned alive in the
building," he said.

Newell based his research on studies of Holland Documents and the 13
volume Colonial Documentary History, both thick sets of letters and
reports from colonial officials to their superiors and the king in
England, and the private papers of Sir William Johnson, British Indian
agent for the New York colony for 30 years in the mid-1600s.

"My research is authentic because it is documentary," Newell said. "You
can't get anything more accurate than that because it is first hand. It
is not hearsay."

Newell said the next 100 Thanksgivings commemorated the killing of the
Indians at what is now Groton, Ct. [home of a nuclear submarine base]
rather than a celebration with them. He said the image of Indians and
Pilgrims sitting around a large table to celebrate Thanksgiving Day was
"fictitious" although Indians did share food with the first settlers.


So, let me get this straight, you would rather sulk in a corner on Thanksgiving day than have a wonderful celebration with your family and friends by giving the Almighty thanks for the many blessings in your life?

And all this because of some article you found 10 years ago in a no name paper that quotes an 84 year old man who gives does not even give one hard source!!

It is really not that hard to go back to the source on this one. Let me suggest that you put down your leftwing propaganda and pick up some real history. For starters try reading William Bradford's account of the Pilgrims first years. "History of Plymouth Plantation" 1650. Just so you know, he was their governor for about 35 years, which means he was actually there, a true first hand account.

For another good first hand account try reading "Mourt's Relation" by Edward Winslow. He was also one of the Pilgrims and a contemporary with William Bradford.

The first unofficial Thanksgiving feast took place in 1621. It was a one time event that was not repeated until many years later. This is the way the feast was described in a first-hand account by Edward Winslow, as it appears in "Mourt's Relation":

"Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together after we had gathered the fruit of our labors. They four in one day killed as much fowl as, with a little help beside, served the company almost a week. At which time, amongst other recreations, we exercised our arms, Many of the Indians coming amongst us, and among the rest their greatest King Massasoit, with some ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five deer, which they brought to the plantation and bestowed on our governor, and upon the captain and others. And although it be not always so plentiful as it was this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want that we often wish you partakers of our plenty."

The first official Thanksgiving was celebrated in 1863 by after a public declaration by President Lincoln. This had nothing at all to do with a massacre that happened over 200 years earlier. In fact, it was because the civil war had just ended that President Lincoln was so thankful. The United States had just come through probably the worst period in its history and Lincoln was glad that it was over.

Here is what he said:

Lincoln's 1863 Thanksgiving Proclamation
Library of America series, Vol II, pp. 520-521.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle, or the ship; the axe had enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom.
No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.
Abraham Lincoln


BillyTheMountain, please check your sources next time and please don't sit in a corner pouting today. Give thanks because there is a lot to give thanks for and if we didn't that would be the tragedy!

[BillyTheMountain]

Yes, I knew about this. This is why I don't celebrate thanksgiving.

CSUKO buys the propaganda.

CSUKO: I can celebrate AND remember. American and coalition soldiers, and civilians living in Iraq and those hired by American companies, are still dying everyday. Americans genocided the Native americans. Genocide is happening today, while the world watches and does nothing. This isn't a partisan issue, I hope.

You too can celebrate AND remember.